Recruiting as of 4/15/25

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I thought everyone was getting the same amount and guys could chase additional dollars?  BTD signed every men's and women's player.

They definitely dont get the same from BTD.

[jfp61]

Last year every player on the women's and men's team got something, but 3 men's players got much more!

And in the SEC. Male and Female Swimmers make 10-15k. Quarterbacks make 8 million.

There is no need to make comparisons.

[Tyler COLEk]

Last year every player on the women's and men's team got something, but 3 men's players got much more!

Was this publicly reported somewhere?

[BCHoopster]

Was this publicly reported somewhere?

No

[Jay Bee]

I thought everyone was getting the same amount and guys could chase additional dollars?  BTD signed every men's and women's player.

Your thoughts are mystical and not fact based!

[The Equalizer]

No, they aren't guaranteeing kids any amount of money and recruits aren't meeting with BTD. They don't want to promise guys who've never worn the jersey more money than players who've already invested sweat into the program. So they won't tell Kon Knueppel (for instance) he's going to get more than Stevie or Chase, he'll have to earn it once he gets here.

The problem with this thinking is that it implies that NIL available to MU players is somehow controlled by Shaka. My understanding of both the NCAA rules and the various laws is that the player has an independent right to market their own name, image, and likeness--not have the value determined or assigned by the school.

Say Kon reached out prior to making a decision to Dick Strong or Marcus Lemonis to inquire about possible NIL opportunities should he decide to play in Milwaukee.  And say he secures an agreement to an arrangement that would make him the highest NIL earner on the team.  It would seem that Shaka would have no control over that, other than to strip the scholarship of any player that decides to market himself independently.

[lawdog77]

The problem with this thinking is that it implies that NIL available to MU players is somehow controlled by Shaka. My understanding of both the NCAA rules and the various laws is that the player has an independent right to market their own name, image, and likeness--not have the value determined or assigned by the school.

Say Kon reached out prior to making a decision to Dick Strong or Marcus Lemonis to inquire about possible NIL opportunities should he decide to play in Milwaukee.  And say he secures an agreement to an arrangement that would make him the highest NIL earner on the team.  It would seem that Shaka would have no control over that, other than to strip the scholarship of any player that decides to market himself independently.

Nothing inconsistent to what brew said. Brew said MU wouldn't guarantee anything

[The Equalizer]

Nothing inconsistent to what brew said. Brew said MU wouldn't guarantee anything

Shaka's public comments go beyond simply saying that MU doesn't guarantee anything--his public statements demonstrate an underlying belief that new guys should not earn more than established players in order to maintain the desired culture.

My comment is oriented towards the notion that players have this independent ability to pursue NIL deals--if Shaka wants his new guys to come in with no NIL commitments, what is he going to do if and when those guys go out on their own?

[El Guerrero 2]

Shaka's public comments go beyond simply saying that MU doesn't guarantee anything--his public statements demonstrate an underlying belief that new guys should not earn more than established players in order to maintain the desired culture.

My comment is oriented towards the notion that players have this independent ability to pursue NIL deals--if Shaka wants his new guys to come in with no NIL commitments, what is he going to do if and when those guys go out on their own?

I think Shaka's comments are focused on the BTD collective and what the program's infrastructure helps provide to the players. I don't think Shaka would have any issue with a player going out and getting their market value on their own.

[brewcity77]

I don't see them impeding anyone from pursuing NIL deals of their own accord, it just isn't something the staff will discuss with a recruit during the recruiting process nor will they guarantee any recruit specific dollar figures if they commit here.

Jay Bee has repeatedly harped on the idea that NIL is not a recruiting tool. Obviously we have seen this proven false at many institutions, but Marquette seems to be taking that mindset seriously. Any NIL for Marquette recruits/players will be handled independent of or after the recruiting process.

[jfp61]

Any NIL for Marquette recruits/players will be handled independent of or after the recruiting process.

Kinda.  It takes no effort at all for recruits to ask other players, it is kinda a moot point to say this IMO. It is independent of the recruiting process if a recruit wants it to be. But if a recruit wants all the information to be available to them, they can get it just by asking.

[brewcity77]

Kinda.  It takes no effort at all for recruits to ask other players, it is kinda a moot point to say this IMO. It is independent of the recruiting process if a recruit wants it to be. But if a recruit wants all the information to be available to them, they can get it just by asking.

Sure, but it won't come from the staff or collective and won't be part of their recruiting pitch.

[Jay Bee]

Jay Bee has repeatedly harped on the idea that NIL is not a recruiting tool. Obviously we have seen this proven false at many institutions, but Marquette seems to be taking that mindset seriously. Any NIL for Marquette recruits/players will be handled independent of or after the recruiting process.

False!

I'm just stating the rules. NIL compensation may not be contingent upon enrollment at a particular school. That is, it cannot be used as an enticement in recruiting.

In addition, NIL compensation can not be from a school, or arranged by a school.

Also, any entity that is so closely aligned with an institution that it is viewed as an extension of the university is subject to the same NIL scrutiny as the institution and must adhere to NCAA rules and policy. That is, we shouldn't be saying 'BTD is Marquette's NIL collective'. It's non-affiliated.

Nonetheless, it doesn't mean NIL can't be a recruiting tool. "There's a third party Org that last year did X, y and z. The MU community is very supportive of student athletes!"

[avid1010]

Sure, but it won't come from the staff or collective and won't be part of their recruiting pitch.

Seems to be working...I like the recruits we are landing.

[rocky_warrior]

That is, we shouldn't be saying 'BTD is Marquette's NIL collective'. It's non-affiliated.

HAHAHA!

"Being men and women for others is foundational to a Marquette University experience and differentiates the development of student-athletes. That is why Be the Difference NIL is working with non-profit organizations and supporting community-minded events to positively impact the community while enabling personal growth with the athletes that sign with us."

[muwarrior69]

False!

I'm just stating the rules. NIL compensation may not be contingent upon enrollment at a particular school. That is, it cannot be used as an enticement in recruiting.

In addition, NIL compensation can not be from a school, or arranged by a school.

Also, any entity that is so closely aligned with an institution that it is viewed as an extension of the university is subject to the same NIL scrutiny as the institution and must adhere to NCAA rules and policy. That is, we shouldn't be saying 'BTD is Marquette's NIL collective'. It's non-affiliated.

Nonetheless, it doesn't mean NIL can't be a recruiting tool. "There's a third party Org that last year did X, y and z. The MU community is very supportive of student athletes!"

...and where are these rules being enforced.

If it is non-affiliated the monies collected could go to a UW Madison or Milwaukee (ie supportive of the community), Notre Dame or Creighton player, no? I would see how that would fly.

Brew is spot on.

[79Warrior]

...and where are these rules being enforced.

If it is non-affiliated the monies collected could go to a UW Madison or Milwaukee (ie supportive of the community), Notre Dame or Creighton player, no? I would see how that would fly.

Brew is spot on.

Bingo.

[avid1010]

Your thoughts are mystical and not fact based!

My thoughts were phrased with a question mark...it's hard to be wrong when asking a question/asking for clarification.  I'm guessing you aren't the type of guy that reflects/seeks clarification from others much, and I'm also guessing many don't seek it from you.  You seem to have a lot of knowledge, it's too bad you can't share it in a classy manner.  It's clearly important for you to feel like a big man on this site.  I'm sorry for that.

From Marquette wire:  "The collective isn't affiliated with Marquette University and has signed every scholarship player from both the men's and women's basketball teams."

I remember very well when it first started Diener said the intent was to pay each player the same amount.  That may have changed, but I haven't seen that posted anywhere, hence my asking for clarification.

[BCHoopster]

Like I said 3 players got more money!

[lawdog77]

Like I said 3 players got more money!

Ellis, Itejere, and Wrightsill?

[avid1010]

Like I said 3 players got more money!

Yeah, I appreciated your response.  When I said I hadn't seen it posted anywhere I meant an official source.  Not trying to be a jerk...but I think anyone can understand not trusting an anonymous source on the Internet that won't/can't post their source.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Like I said 3 players got more money!

A lot more than 3 got more

[JTJ3]

https://twitter.com/GroadBballClub/status/1682085619101474834?t=95ITieGqax0o3iFmVbELOA&s=19

Would love to add Josh Hill as the next piece in 2024.  He visits next week.

[brewcity77]

False!

I'm just stating the rules.

No, you're stating the rules as though they are being followed and enforced. While it does appear Marquette is following them, it is very obviously not the case that they are being followed widely among high majors.

[Scoop Snoop]

No, you're stating the rules as though they are being followed and enforced. While it does appear Marquette is following them, it is very obviously not the case that they are being followed widely among high majors.

I appreciate Jay Bee's knowledge and explanation of the numerous rules in college bball, but specifically in regard to recruiting....when have they ever been widely followed? If Shaka can continue to be as successful as he has been while following the rules, great! It is not often that the cheaters are substantially penalized when caught, but sometimes they are. Guys like Bill Self have made a mockery of rule enforcement over many years, and he is still there.