Recruiting as of 3/15/24

[Pakuni]

It might.  This is from back in February, and he names a lot of programs recruiting him hard.  Marquette is not mentioned.

https://www.on3.com/news/gus-yalden-2023-four-star-talks-official-visits-and-who-is-recruiting-hardest/

What I was was saying might not apply to Yalden was the "getting beat out by College of Charleston" part. It seems more likely he's heading to Wisconsin.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

What I was was saying might not apply to Yalden was the "getting beat out by College of Charleston" part. It seems more likely he's heading to Wisconsin.

Gotcha.  I think he really fits well at Wisconsin too. 

[The Equalizer]

You do know that Buzz and Shaka run different systems right?

You do know that people raised the same question about Gardner's fit with Buzz's system that you did about Yalden's with Shaka's, right?

What system did Buzz run?

Does it matter? 

All I was trying to point out was that when Davante Gardner surfaced as a recruiting target of Buzz, people raised the same questions about his fit, and Gardner managed to turn out okay.

[jfp61]

It is a loss, if we do not sign a better player.

Okay i guess we'll revisit this in 2026ish.

[Its DJOver]

You do know that people raised the same question about Gardner's fit with Buzz's system that you did about Yalden's with Shaka's, right?

Davante was also part of a 5 man recruiting class when we could afford to take a flier on a player that didn't necessarily "fit the system".  As of right now, we have zero openings in 2023 (will obviously change).  Finding a diamond in the rough once does not mean that every player of similar build will produce the same results.

Does it matter? 

All I was trying to point out was that when Davante Gardner surfaced as a recruiting target of Buzz, people raised the same questions about his fit, and Gardner managed to turn out okay.

And if it hadn't, we still had the staring center from Davante's time here.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Does it matter? 

All I was trying to point out was that when Davante Gardner surfaced as a recruiting target of Buzz, people raised the same questions about his fit, and Gardner managed to turn out okay.

Yes  because Buzz didn't have a system, he changed his approach every year to match his roster.

My recollection is that people didn't like Davante because he was an overweight low three star. If there were people worried about Buzz system,  they were being silly.

Yalden would work in Shakas system btw

[Pakuni]

When people get hung up on certain types players fitting into Shaka's system, it's good to remind them that this guy started 70 games over two seasons in Shaka's system.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

I don't know a ton about Yalden's game, but had not heard Marquette linked with him for a long time.   Not someone the coaching staff recruited heavily, for whatever reason.

[jfp61]

Random, 247 updated their internal rankings, chase Ross shot up 50 spots to 121. Jones didn't really change moved two down.

[The Equalizer]

Yes  because Buzz didn't have a system, he changed his approach every year to match his roster.

Except how would you have known this only two years into Buzz's tenure?  He only had two seasons under his belt and described his system or approach as being reliant on highly athletic switchable and reliance on paint touches and that that entails (Boot Camp, weight training, etc.).

The "he changed his approach every year" claim could be made only with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight after Buzz landed Gardner. You wouldn't have known that at the time.

Second, you're nitpicking over the difference between "system" and "approach." Sub in "approach" in place of "system" in my post, and the comparison is still valid. 

My recollection is that people didn't like Davante because he was an overweight low three star. If there were people worried about Buzz system,  they were being silly.

And being overweight meant what?  It was that people didn't see him fitting in with Buzz's system (or approach, if you prefer) of relying on athletic switchables that dominated MU during Buzz's first two seasons.

[4everwarriors]

Yes  because Buzz didn't have a system, he changed his approach every year to match his roster.

My recollection is that people didn't like Davante because he was an overweight low three star. If there were people worried about Buzz system,  they were being silly.

Yalden would work in Shakas system btw

Not sure you can refer to someone as "overweight", hey?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Except how would you have known this only two years into Buzz's tenure?  He only had two seasons under his belt and described his system or approach as being reliant on highly athletic switchable and reliance on paint touches and that that entails (Boot Camp, weight training, etc.).

The "he changed his approach every year" claim could be made only with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight after Buzz landed Gardner. You wouldn't have known that at the time.

Second, you're nitpicking over the difference between "system" and "approach." Sub in "approach" in place of "system" in my post, and the comparison is still valid. 

You would have known it because Buzz took radically different approaches in year 1 and year 2 so if he had a system, we didn't know it yet. I don't know what "approach" means when it comes to basketball.

And being overweight meant what?  It was that people didn't see him fitting in with Buzz's system (or approach, if you prefer) of relying on athletic switchables that dominated MU during Buzz's first two seasons.

Being overweight meant people assumed that it didn't matter what system he was playing for, he wouldn't be a good basketball player.

[MU82]

When people get hung up on certain types players fitting into Shaka's system, it's good to remind them that this guy started 70 games over two seasons in Shaka's system.

Sure, Pak, but did he fit Shaka's culture?

[The Equalizer]

You would have known it because Buzz took radically different approaches in year 1 and year 2 so if he had a system, we didn't know it yet. I don't know what "approach" means when it comes to basketball.

If you don't know what "approach" means when it comes to basketball, how can you be so sure that Buzz used different ones between season 1 and season 2? 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

If you don't know what "approach" means when it comes to basketball, how can you be so sure that Buzz used different ones between season 1 and season 2?

Ha, you got me there.

[avid1010]

Except how would you have known this only two years into Buzz's tenure?  He only had two seasons under his belt and described his system or approach as being reliant on highly athletic switchable and reliance on paint touches and that that entails (Boot Camp, weight training, etc.).

The "he changed his approach every year" claim could be made only with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight after Buzz landed Gardner. You wouldn't have known that at the time.

Second, you're nitpicking over the difference between "system" and "approach." Sub in "approach" in place of "system" in my post, and the comparison is still valid. 

And being overweight meant what?  It was that people didn't see him fitting in with Buzz's system (or approach, if you prefer) of relying on athletic switchables that dominated MU during Buzz's first two seasons.

Buzz spoke of this often...in year one.  Not the roster he would prefer, so they have to play a specific style of ball.

[TedBaxter]

Its only a lose if you continue recruiting. Sorry i don't think the recruit Shaka offered when he was on a visit scheduled by the old staff should count as a recruiting lose. Pretty sure Cam Moratta was on staff when that happened.

Shaka lost Leon Bond to Virgina. We'll probably lose Milan to a big time program. There is a chance we lose Roberts to Indiana. If Norman or ames both chose schools other than marquette than we will probably lose at least one of those recruiting battles.

This is not one of them.

If Milan goes elsewhere, I'm not going to say Marquette lost him.  With possibly only 1 scholarship to give yet in the 2023 class and with the number of players they are recruiting hard, Milan is just one of out of a few getting looks from Marquette, plus Shaka signed Ben Gold who has some similar attributes.

[Pakuni]

Buzz spoke of this often...in year one.  Not the roster he would prefer, so they have to play a specific style of ball.

Buzz didn't prefer a roster featuring the Amigos and Lazar?

[jfp61]

If Milan goes elsewhere, I'm not going to say Marquette lost him.  With possibly only 1 scholarship to give yet in the 2023 class and with the number of players they are recruiting hard, Milan is just one of out of a few getting looks from Marquette, plus Shaka signed Ben Gold who has some similar attributes.

Probably. Were recruiting at least 2 more freshman. 1 guard, 1 PF.

[Herman Cain]

Chase Ross mentioned in this article as a stock riser

https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Article/Basketball-recruiting-Donovan-Dent-Chase-Ross-Adou-Thiero-Leonard-Miller-Jorge-Diaz-Reed-Bailey-Keba-Keita--187408292/

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Updating this to include Norman.


Unofficial list of MU's 2023 targets

6-1 PG Dai Dai Ames
Chicago

6-3 CG Tre Norman
Boston

6-6 SF Dailyn Swain
Ohio

6-7 F Jaqualon "JQ" Roberts
Indiana

6-7 F Devin Royal
Ohio

6-8 F Milan Momcilovic
Pewaukee, WI

6-9 F/C  Alassane Amadou
Pennsylvania

6-11 F/C  Joseph "JP" Estrella
Maine


Committed
6-4 SG Zaide Lowery
Missouri

[Newsdreams]

Updating this to include Norman.


Unofficial list of MU's 2023 targets

6-1 PG Dai Dai Ames
Chicago

6-3 CG Tre Norman
Boston

6-6 SF Dailyn Swain
Ohio

6-7 F Jaqualon "JQ" Roberts
Indiana

6-7 F Devin Royal
Ohio

6-8 F Milan Momcilovic
Pewaukee, WI

6-9 F/C  Alassane Amadou
Pennsylvania

6-11 F/C  Joseph "JP" Estrella
Maine


Committed
6-4 SG Zaide Lowery
Missouri

We are losing recruits at an astonishing rate. Shaka is terrible at this, soooo much COLE slaw

[JTJ3]

Updating this to include Norman.


Unofficial list of MU's 2023 targets

6-1 PG Dai Dai Ames
Chicago

6-3 CG Tre Norman
Boston

6-6 SF Dailyn Swain
Ohio

6-7 F Jaqualon "JQ" Roberts
Indiana

6-7 F Devin Royal
Ohio

6-8 F Milan Momcilovic
Pewaukee, WI

6-9 F/C  Alassane Amadou
Pennsylvania

6-11 F/C  Joseph "JP" Estrella
Maine


Committed
6-4 SG Zaide Lowery
Missouri

For what its worth, sounds like we've moved on from Roberts to focus on the other forwards.  Pretty underwhelming AAU stats this spring as well.

[bilsu]

Chase Ross mentioned in this article as a stock riser

https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Article/Basketball-recruiting-Donovan-Dent-Chase-Ross-Adou-Thiero-Leonard-Miller-Jorge-Diaz-Reed-Bailey-Keba-Keita--187408292/

Big East class rankings by 247
1. Nova 19th
2 Xavier 28th
3. Georgetown 32nd
4. St. John's 33rd
5. Uconn 34th
6. Creighton 39th
7. Providence 43rd
8. Seton Hall 54th
9. Butler 62nd
10. DePaul 68th
11. Marquette 79th

Ben Gold is not rated, so how good he is may make a huge difference.

Overall, I am not impressed with the freshmen talent coming into the Big East.

[Uncle Rico]

Big East class rankings by 247
1. Nova 19th
2 Xavier 28th
3. Georgetown 32nd
4. St. John's 33rd
5. Uconn 34th
6. Creighton 39th
7. Providence 43rd
8. Seton Hall 54th
9. Butler 62nd
10. DePaul 68th
11. Marquette 79th

Ben Gold is not rated, so how good he is may make a huge difference.

Overall, I am not impressed with the freshmen talent coming into the Big East.

It’s underwhelming