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esotericmindguy

Quote from: oldwarrior81 on January 16, 2020, 03:05:22 PM
The top 10 hits the NBA about 90% of the time
#11-30 are closer to 50%
Once you get past #50, it's in the 10-15% range

Someone posted actual numbers years ago. It's not as high as 90 and 50. But I remember that 30-50 isn't much different than 50-75.

burger

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 16, 2020, 02:20:53 PM
Something a lot of people don't get.

There's no guarantee that a player will live up to their ranking.   A lot of things can negatively impact a kids development. Being over ranked, injuries, personal issues, inability to handle the level of competition, and yes, even coaching can affect the players success in reaching their expected potential. Singling out a coach as the only possible reason for a kid not meeting expectations is arbitrary, and suggests a bias.

Obviously have not been looking at the "DWade clone" like video's.....

They could be brothers .....Got the same Euro.....Got "over/under" dribble.....Got the same "extreme 10 foot crossover"....The hops.....Does he have the "natural BB IQ" is the question......But from the video's.....WOW.....just.....WOW.....

ChitownSpaceForRent

Quote from: esotericmindguy on January 16, 2020, 06:05:02 PM
Someone posted actual numbers years ago. It's not as high as 90 and 50. But I remember that 30-50 isn't much different than 50-75.

I mean on that same note though, a guy like Scottie Reynolds never stepped foot on an NBA floor but was an unbelievable college player, while Dwight Buycks was better in the NBA than he was at Marquette.

NBA pedigree doesn't always directly correlate to a great college player.

Cheeks

Quote from: oldwarrior81 on January 16, 2020, 03:05:22 PM
The top 10 hits the NBA about 90% of the time
#11-30 are closer to 50%
Once you get past #50, it's in the 10-15% range

Doesn't surprise me, but I was thinking more around very good college player....most of the top 30 are, even if they don't make NBA.  People start throwing around top 100 like Ners does, and a bunch of them are in the 70's, 80's  and 90's....doesn't mean nearly as much to me...as you point out.
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

shoothoops

MU and more than a half a dozen other schools (including Nova, Notre Dame, Penn St., Harvard, Temple) are watching 2021 PG Stevie Mitchell tonight in Reading, PA tonight.


Marquette4life

Wojo at the Dominican st cats game

Herman Cain

Quote from: Marquette4life on January 16, 2020, 07:01:27 PM
Wojo at the Dominican st cats game
A certain Mr Antetokounmpo will be at that game too......:)
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Afroman

Is the St. Catherine's kid a point guard? I've only seen highlights.

muguru

"Being realistic is the most common path to mediocrity." Will Smith

We live in a society that rewards mediocrity , I detest mediocrity - David Goggi

I want this quote to serve as a reminder to the vast majority of scoop posters in regards to the MU BB program.


Galway Eagle

Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on January 16, 2020, 08:45:43 PM
same with Oso and Justin

Don't a ridiculous amount of players get nominated? Likely only Dawson has a shot
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

GoldenDieners32

Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 16, 2020, 08:55:28 PM
Don't a ridiculous amount of players get nominated? Likely only Dawson has a shot
Yes, ton of guys get nominated but you are correct dawson has the only "legit" chance

BM1090

Quote from: Herman Cain on January 16, 2020, 07:28:15 PM
A certain Mr Antetokounmpo will be at that game too......:)

He's there for Hunter

oldwarrior81

Quote from: esotericmindguy on January 16, 2020, 06:05:02 PM
Someone posted actual numbers years ago. It's not as high as 90 and 50. But I remember that 30-50 isn't much different than 50-75.

A year or so ago I listed the top 100 rankings (for 15 years) and how many were drafted in the first round of the NBA, and how many had played, I think around 200 games in the league.

The top 10 recruits ended up being drafted, and played in  the league at something close to 95+%.
#10-20 was close to 50%.  #21-30 wasn't far behind that.   imo, that's a huge increase in chances of a bust.
Once you got into the #50-60 range to #90-100 It was fairly close.  If I remember the 50-60 were around 14%, and 90-100 were around 12%.
The #90-100 turned out some very solid college players, some which turned into great pros.  Draymond Green, Russell Westbrook, Gilbert Arenas, Denzell Valentine, Emeka Okafor, Greives Vasquez, DaSean Butler, Frank Mason



shoothoops

#24164
https://twitter.com/SportsOnTheSide/status/1212838278514143232?s=19

Oso on the Ocho.

Some recent Oso holiday tourney highlights. His high school team is #1 AZ 6A. (MU 2021 target DaRon Holmes' team is #1 AZ 5A.)


lawdog77

Quote from: shoothoops on January 17, 2020, 07:22:33 AM
https://twitter.com/SportsOnTheSide/status/1212838278514143232?s=19

Oso on the Ocho.

Some recent Oso holiday tourney highlights. His high school team is #1 AZ 6A. (MU 2021 target DaRon Holmes' team is #1 AZ 5A.)
Looks good. will he be playing the 3 or 4?

SaveOD238

Quote from: BM1090 on January 16, 2020, 10:34:09 PM
He's there for Hunter

I wish I had made the trek up for this one.  Sounds like it was a great game.  SC came out on top, but it was low scoring 54-50.  Hunter and Antetokounmpo each had 11.

Chances are these two schools will meet deep in the Division 3 playoffs.  Ranked 1 and 2 in the state.

We R Final Four


shoothoops

Quote from: lawdog77 on January 17, 2020, 08:57:39 AM
Looks good. will he be playing the 3 or 4?

Very roughly speaking, we have to wait and see but for now, in my opinion, Oso is more of 3 that will also play 4 at the college level and Lewis is more of a 4 that will play some 3 as needed. Often times at the high school level these types of players are needed more at the 4. Having more versatility and switchables is a good thing to have. Garcia, again, can play multiple positions in multiple ways.

Currently, Bailey for example can move around, guard some guards at times, play different ways.

BCHoopster

Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 17, 2020, 09:09:31 AM
I wish I had made the trek up for this one.  Sounds like it was a great game.  SC came out on top, but it was low scoring 54-50.  Hunter and Antetokounmpo each had 11.

Chances are these two schools will meet deep in the Division 3 playoffs.  Ranked 1 and 2 in the state.

I was at the game, it was definitely worth watching.  Very competitive.  Liked Nick Bennett's coaching vs. Don Gosz, St. Cates was more of a team.  Wojo was right
behind me watching, not sure about Hunter yet.  Quickness and jumping ability are there.  Shot is a little slow getting off, no jump shot.  Controls the ball, can pass.
being a Wisconsin kid I would offer him a scholarship as MU needs some Wisconsin kids.  I do not go to many high school games so I would have to see him in the AAU circuit to see how he does there.  Torrence will be the point in the future, so 3 years down the road he might be very good.


Galway Eagle

Quote from: BCHoopster on January 17, 2020, 10:50:20 AM
I was at the game, it was definitely worth watching.  Very competitive.  Liked Nick Bennett's coaching vs. Don Gosz, St. Cates was more of a team.  Wojo was right
behind me watching, not sure about Hunter yet.  Quickness and jumping ability are there.  Shot is a little slow getting off, no jump shot.  Controls the ball, can pass.
being a Wisconsin kid I would offer him a scholarship as MU needs some Wisconsin kids.  I do not go to many high school games so I would have to see him in the AAU circuit to see how he does there.  Torrence will be the point in the future, so 3 years down the road he might be very good.

We have Akanno red shirting to backup Torrence and are recruiting higher rated kids already. And MU doesn't "need" a Wisconsin kid. It may help to build inroads with state coaches again but It's not worth recruiting someone just so we have one
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

genious expert

Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 17, 2020, 10:56:08 AM
We have Akanno red shirting to backup Torrence and are recruiting higher rated kids already. And MU doesn't "need" a Wisconsin kid. It may help to build inroads with state coaches again but It's not worth recruiting someone just so we have one

Akanno is more of a 2-3 than a 1. Don't think the plan is to have him as a backup PG.

Galway Eagle

Quote from: genious expert on January 17, 2020, 11:03:22 AM
Akanno is more of a 2-3 than a 1. Don't think the plan is to have him as a backup PG.

Really? Thought he was recruited as a pg my bad
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

BCHoopster

Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 17, 2020, 10:56:08 AM
We have Akanno red shirting to backup Torrence and are recruiting higher rated kids already. And MU doesn't "need" a Wisconsin kid. It may help to build inroads with state coaches again but It's not worth recruiting someone just so we have one

He has potential, and I disagree with you, yes, you should have some Wisconsin kids on the team.  Right now MU has lots of scholarships to offer. and I have heard he
wants to come to MU, always good to get a kid early in next years class. why not.

Galway Eagle

Quote from: BCHoopster on January 17, 2020, 11:09:53 AM
He has potential, and I disagree with you, yes, you should have some Wisconsin kids on the team.  Right now MU has lots of scholarships to offer. and I have heard he
wants to come to MU, always good to get a kid early in next years class. why not.

What is the reasoning that we should have some Wisconsin kids on the roster? Reasons that translate to court success not "because MU is in WI"
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

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