Recruiting as of 5/15/25

[Galway Eagle]

That depends in today's college basketball, there are some of high profile guys that don't care a ton about winning and more about getting to the NBA.  Look at some of the programs they have signed with to prove my points.  Ben Simmons to LSU.  Memphis recent signing.  Massey to Western Kentucky.  craptu to Vanderbilt, Brown to Nevada. Porter to SC.  Dort to ASU.  Duke and Reeves to Providence.  Etc.

Of course some kids want to win and go deep, but let's not kid ourselves that there are a number of kids where that is icing on the cake only, they want to hit the NBA.

Ben Simmons was joining phenomenal talent around him. Blackney was a 5 star and Sampson was highly rated 4 star Robertson being a highly rated 4 star the class before. They also had the 6th best class in the country two years before pulling another 5 star and two highly rated four star. So it's not like he came out of nowhere and was their first 5 star in some ungodly amount of time

[pbiflyer]

Imagine that, another thread that has devolved into a pissing match. That hasn't happened here since.....the last thread.

[BrewCity83]

952 page thread which contains maybe 40 pages of actual recruiting news and over 900 pages of pissing and tangents.  SMDH

[brewcity77]

How many 5-stars do Virginia and Villanova routinely get?

Virginia, not many. Kyle Guy & Mamadi Diakite were top-40, but not quite 5 stars. Villanova gets about 1 per year. In the past five recruiting classes, they've had Jalen Brunson, Omari Spellman, Jahvon Quinerly, Bryan Antoine, & Jeremiah Robinson-Earl.

For what Virginia does, I don't think they need those guys. They are so defensive oriented and rankings reflect less of what Bennett emphasizes. But both programs develop NBA players. Nova won titles with Josh Hart, Brunson, Ryan Arciadiacono, Spellman, DiVincenzo, & Mikel Bridges. Virginia had Guy, Diakite, Ty Jerome, & DeAndre Hunter.

Whether you get 5 stars like Nova or not like Virginia, you need NBA talent if you truly aspire to those types of results. Recruiting guys like Hauser, Cain, Elliott, Oso, Lewis, & Akanno is fine, but if you want to evoke the Virginia/Villanova type programs, you need to develop some of those guys into the NBA Draft.

[MU82]

Virginia, not many. Kyle Guy & Mamadi Diakite were top-40, but not quite 5 stars. Villanova gets about 1 per year. In the past five recruiting classes, they've had Jalen Brunson, Omari Spellman, Jahvon Quinerly, Bryan Antoine, & Jeremiah Robinson-Earl.

For what Virginia does, I don't think they need those guys. They are so defensive oriented and rankings reflect less of what Bennett emphasizes. But both programs develop NBA players. Nova won titles with Josh Hart, Brunson, Ryan Arciadiacono, Spellman, DiVincenzo, & Mikel Bridges. Virginia had Guy, Diakite, Ty Jerome, & DeAndre Hunter.

Whether you get 5 stars like Nova or not like Virginia, you need NBA talent if you truly aspire to those types of results. Recruiting guys like Hauser, Cain, Elliott, Oso, Lewis, & Akanno is fine, but if you want to evoke the Virginia/Villanova type programs, you need to develop some of those guys into the NBA Draft.

Didn't realize Nova had that many 5-stars lately. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

I do agree with your conclusion.

[tower912]

Virginia, not many. Kyle Guy & Mamadi Diakite were top-40, but not quite 5 stars. Villanova gets about 1 per year. In the past five recruiting classes, they've had Jalen Brunson, Omari Spellman, Jahvon Quinerly, Bryan Antoine, & Jeremiah Robinson-Earl.

For what Virginia does, I don't think they need those guys. They are so defensive oriented and rankings reflect less of what Bennett emphasizes. But both programs develop NBA players. Nova won titles with Josh Hart, Brunson, Ryan Arciadiacono, Spellman, DiVincenzo, & Mikel Bridges. Virginia had Guy, Diakite, Ty Jerome, & DeAndre Hunter.

Whether you get 5 stars like Nova or not like Virginia, you need NBA talent if you truly aspire to those types of results. Recruiting guys like Hauser, Cain, Elliott, Oso, Lewis, & Akanno is fine, but if you want to evoke the Virginia/Villanova type programs, you need to develop some of those guys into the NBA Draft.

I agree for the most part, but Izzo goes to a lot of final fours without putting a huge number of players into the league.

[Cheeks]

I'm not saying anything about the kids or their intentions.  I'm not pretending I know what they are.  You're the one claiming some of the recruits that choose programs outside of the blue bloods are going there only to get to the NBA and don't really care about team success.  Since you're just reciting what they said, please show me the quotes where the Memphis, LSU, Western Kentucky, Vanderbilt, USC, Arizona State, Nevada, and Providence kids said they didn't care about team success their only goal is to make it to the NBA.

And if that's their only goal then the best route is unquestionably Kentucky.

You may want to reread what I said....for example I did not say "they didn't care about team success their only goal is to make it to the NBA"....you said I said that...and you are wrong.

Reread please.

[wadesworld]

You may want to reread what I said....for example I did not say "they didn't care about team success their only goal is to make it to the NBA"....you said I said that...and you are wrong.

Reread please.

Okay, sorry.  I'll quote you word for word so you aren't confused, as you seem to easily be.

Please provide me with the quotes where the players from Memphis, LSU, Western Kentucky, Vanderbilt, USC, Arizona State, Nevada, and Providence said that they, and I quote you word for word, "don't care a ton about winning and more about getting to the NBA."  How's that?  Essentially identical to what I paraphrased you as saying, but you're confused so we'll go with the direct quote.  Please provide me those quotes since you, and again I am quoting you word for word so there is no confusion here, "simply read what they say."

Apparently you read them saying they (again, direct quote from you), "don't care a ton about winning and more about getting to the NBA."  I'd love to see the quotes from those guys from Memphis, LSU, Western Kentucky, Vanderbilt, USC, Arizona State, Nevada, and Providence (the schools you picked to list because they apparently said those things about college basketball).

[JakeBarnes]

So Karim Mane, right?

[MuMark]

For those interested Justin Lewis plays today in a tournament at 2:30 central.

Should be able to watch it here

https://www.htcinc.net/beach-ball-classic/

[Cheeks]

Okay, sorry.  I'll quote you word for word so you aren't confused, as you seem to easily be.

Please provide me with the quotes where the players from Memphis, LSU, Western Kentucky, Vanderbilt, USC, Arizona State, Nevada, and Providence said that they, and I quote you word for word, "don't care a ton about winning and more about getting to the NBA."  How's that?  Essentially identical to what I paraphrased you as saying, but you're confused so we'll go with the direct quote.  Please provide me those quotes since you, and again I am quoting you word for word so there is no confusion here, "simply read what they say."

Apparently you read them saying they (again, direct quote from you), "don't care a ton about winning and more about getting to the NBA."  I'd love to see the quotes from those guys from Memphis, LSU, Western Kentucky, Vanderbilt, USC, Arizona State, Nevada, and Providence (the schools you picked to list because they apparently said those things about college basketball).

Almost there, but you still need to reread completely....third time a charm?

Reread it again, then ask yourself where on the priority list SOME of these kids have on winning vs getting to the association.  You have made the error that they have to come out and say "I don't care about winning".  That is false on your part.  When a kid is asked and they rattle off a bunch of reasons and winning isn't there, or it comes up as an afterthought I am free to make my assumption of "not caring a ton" vs what you stated I said....it isn't as high on the priority list with some of these guys. Are you claiming that is inaccurate?

[lawdog77]

Almost there, but you still need to reread completely....third time a charm?

Reread it again, then ask yourself where on the priority list SOME of these kids have on winning vs getting to the association.  You have made the error that they have to come out and say "I don't care about winning".  That is false on your part.  When a kid is asked and they rattle off a bunch of reasons and winning isn't there, or it comes up as an afterthought I am free to make my assumption of "not caring a ton" vs what you stated I said....it isn't as high on the priority list with some of these guys. Are you claiming that is inaccurate?

For the love of your Higher Power, please stick to MU recruiting in this thread.

[Cheeks]

For the love of your Higher Power, please stick to MU recruiting in this thread.

Feel free to address to everyone......

[wadesworld]

Almost there, but you still need to reread completely....third time a charm?

Reread it again, then ask yourself where on the priority list SOME of these kids have on winning vs getting to the association.  You have made the error that they have to come out and say "I don't care about winning".  That is false on your part.  When a kid is asked and they rattle off a bunch of reasons and winning isn't there, or it comes up as an afterthought I am free to make my assumption of "not caring a ton" vs what you stated I said....it isn't as high on the priority list with some of these guys. Are you claiming that is inaccurate?

I quoted you word for word. I will apologize on your behalf if you meant something other than what you stated.

Please provide one example of a kid saying what you claim you read from the schools you listed.

Otherwise, once again, Cheeks claims he read something but can't provide the link for it. Shocking.

Me personally? I'd love Mane even if he's a one and done who claims he's just trying to get to the NBA and doesn't care as much about winning or whether he doesn't come out screaming he'll be at MU until he wins us a national title, even if it means he's the 3rd strong point guard.

[JakeBarnes]

Wades, Cheeks: the door to the superbar is over there.

[Cheeks]

Ben Simmons was joining phenomenal talent around him. Blackney was a 5 star and Sampson was highly rated 4 star Robertson being a highly rated 4 star the class before. They also had the 6th best class in the country two years before pulling another 5 star and two highly rated four star. So it's not like he came out of nowhere and was their first 5 star in some ungodly amount of time

Maverick Carter has come to speak to us a few times, he is good friends with an old boss of mine.

I always chuckle at Ben's interview with Maverick. 

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/sixers-ben-simmons-on-his-time-at-lsu-i-dont-really-know-what-i-learned/

[brewcity77]

I agree for the most part, but Izzo goes to a lot of final fours without putting a huge number of players into the league.

I don't think those things are unrelated. Lots of Final Fours, but their only title winner was in maybe the weakest Final Four in a generation (Seeds 1, 5, 8, 8) and with 4 NBA players.

Final Fours are fine, but I want a title. I'd prefer one Final Four that ended with cutting down nets over 10 Final Fours and no title. That requires those next level players.

[lawdog77]

Maverick Carter has come to speak to us a few times, he is good friends with an old boss of mine.

I always chuckle at Ben's interview with Maverick. 

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/sixers-ben-simmons-on-his-time-at-lsu-i-dont-really-know-what-i-learned/

cool story, bro...SUPERBAR

[4everwarriors]

Got 'im sum tyme wit Kendall, sew he ain't dumb, hey?

[4everwarriors]

How many stars did Donte have cummin' outta hy skool? Dat mofo's got hops and is quik four a honky, hey?

[Johnny B]

How many stars did Donte have cummin' outta hy skool? Dat mofo's got hops and is quik four a honky, hey?

He done was a fore starrr recruit der guy ranked round top one hunnit cordin to espn er ahh network. Dat boih done sure can throw dah ball in da hoop good ayyy sir? Done shuck um up

[Jockey]

How many stars did Donte have cummin' outta hy skool? Dat mofo's got hops and is quik four a honky, hey?

Ignorance personified!

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Imagine that, another thread that has devolved into a pissing match. That hasn't happened here since.....the last thread that Chico's posted in.

FIFY

[Cheeks]

FIFY

Fake news

[Cheeks]

cool story, bro...SUPERBAR

Ben Simmons...went to school for winning and such.  LOL