Recruiting as of 5/15/25

[Lennys Tap]

Butler made bigger strides than could have been expected. Wade was a great player in HS.

Butler was a very good athlete who improved every skill. DWade was an elite athlete - even by NBA standards.

I agree with this analysis.

[duanewade]

I think you are missing my point. I agree ,and have constantly said on this site ,not to evaluate any player until you have seen him live or watched several full length games. Highlight reels are fools gold. Heck if you dig out the  Matt Heldt highlight reel it would be the next coming of Bill Laimbeer.

All I am saying about Juan is that he had raw talent and he is now finally realizing on the potential that existed based on his physical tools. At that, his opportunity is based on hard work on d combined with very quick and active hands. What he did was distill the one thing he could be elite at and focused on it hard for several years .

Herman....All the board boobs miss points all day long and respond with gibberish as they love to hear themselves talk.

The NHL and MLB draft kids right out of high school.  The NBA drafts kids one year out of high school.  So saying a unanimous top 100 recruit who is 6'9 with elite talent has NBA potential is an "Oh No" moment and needs mocking Juan Anderson comparisons. 

Yet that is exactly what scouts do now is analyze and draft kids on their potential at 18 years and up.  I prefer the NFL route of 3 years in college but even then there is a lot of speculation and educated guesses. 

Juan Anderson was never going to be an NBA player as he didn't have the skill-set or the athletic ability to match his body which is the height of a NBA 2 guard.  I could have told you watching his video that he's too loose with this dribbling and shooting form and not quick enough before he even set foot at Marquette.  In fact he looked like a better fit for the Harlem Globetrotters.  Once he got to Marquette it was clear he was even more limited.     

Todd Mayo was too short to be a NBA 2 guard and didn't have the skill-set to be a 1.  Anyone who thought he was an NBA candidate was clueless.

Hanif Cheatham didn't have the body or the athleticism to be a NBA prospect.  In addition he only could go to his left.

Even Vander who was an elite athlete even for NBA standards but was too much of a tweener who wasn't an exceptional outside shooter which is needed to play the 2 and didn't have the skill-set to play the 1.   Unfortunately it didn't work out for him but as mentioned previously the NBA values body types and talent over productivity at the college level. 

Wesley at 6'5, broad shoulders, great athleticism, defense and good shooting found his way to the NBA even after slipping through the cracks by not being drafted. 

I also like Justin Lewis a lot and think he'll be a three year starter for MU and do great things for us.  However I don't think he has an NBA pedigree as he's 6'7 with good but not elite athleticism for a position in the NBA where 6'9+ is the norm.  I hope I'm wrong as he's similar to Lazar Hayward in his body and skill-set and Lazar found his way into the league for a couple years. 

I stand by my analysis of Oso who I think has a POTENTIAL NBA future, not saying he will be in the league yet but he has a lot of things scouts look for in 18 to 22 year olds before they draft them knowing that most won't make huge impacts in the league until their mid to late 20's. 

For now on let it be know that my posts are earmarked for Herman and other high IQ people who should focus on my post and not the periphery that ensues from all the board boobs. 

[tower912]

An insightful post.    I agree that being on the NBA radar and being a successful college player are two different things.    You reference Juan and Wesley and Todd and Vander.    Dom and Jerel were the same way.    The number of <6' players in the NBA is miniscule.   The number of poor shooting players under 6' is zero.   Jerel was a 6'2 shooting guard.    I liken him to Shawn Respert.   A great college guard.    But there aren't many 6'2 shooting guards in the league.     Davante Gardner was never going to play in the league.   6'7 one trick ponies who can't guard anyone?    Please.   

I agree with your thoughts on Lewis.    There aren't many 6'7-8 combination forwards in the league.    Oso.... I like where your head is at and yes, the league loves versatile 6'9 guys.    I just want to see him play a couple of games before I anoint him.    It isn't fair to but that kind of burden on a kid who isn't on campus yet.    But all too often we do.   

Let's have Wojo land a couple of more and then see where we are at.

[Uncle Rico]

Herman....All the board boobs miss points all day long and respond with gibberish as they love to hear themselves talk.

The NHL and MLB draft kids right out of high school.  The NBA drafts kids one year out of high school.  So saying a unanimous top 100 recruit who is 6'9 with elite talent has NBA potential is an "Oh No" moment and needs mocking Juan Anderson comparisons. 

Yet that is exactly what scouts do now is analyze and draft kids on their potential at 18 years and up.  I prefer the NFL route of 3 years in college but even then there is a lot of speculation and educated guesses. 

Juan Anderson was never going to be an NBA player as he didn't have the skill-set or the athletic ability to match his body which is the height of a NBA 2 guard.  I could have told you watching his video that he's too loose with this dribbling and shooting form and not quick enough before he even set foot at Marquette.  In fact he looked like a better fit for the Harlem Globetrotters.  Once he got to Marquette it was clear he was even more limited.     

Todd Mayo was too short to be a NBA 2 guard and didn't have the skill-set to be a 1.  Anyone who thought he was an NBA candidate was clueless.

Hanif Cheatham didn't have the body or the athleticism to be a NBA prospect.  In addition he only could go to his left.

Even Vander who was an elite athlete even for NBA standards but was too much of a tweener who wasn't an exceptional outside shooter which is needed to play the 2 and didn't have the skill-set to play the 1.   Unfortunately it didn't work out for him but as mentioned previously the NBA values body types and talent over productivity at the college level. 

Wesley at 6'5, broad shoulders, great athleticism, defense and good shooting found his way to the NBA even after slipping through the cracks by not being drafted. 

I also like Justin Lewis a lot and think he'll be a three year starter for MU and do great things for us.  However I don't think he has an NBA pedigree as he's 6'7 with good but not elite athleticism for a position in the NBA where 6'9+ is the norm.  I hope I'm wrong as he's similar to Lazar Hayward in his body and skill-set and Lazar found his way into the league for a couple years. 

I stand by my analysis of Oso who I think has a POTENTIAL NBA future, not saying he will be in the league yet but he has a lot of things scouts look for in 18 to 22 year olds before they draft them knowing they most won't make huge impacts in the league until their mid to late 20's. 

For now on let it be know that my posts are earmarked for Herman and other high IQ people who should focus on my post and not the periphery that ensues from all the board boobs.

When did you change your mind on Juan? 

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=21586.msg234307#msg234307

[genious expert]

https://www.instagram.com/p/B20e3IkAkmM/?igshid=10qj2xhi8xf8v

Haven't seen it anywhere on twitter but it looks like AJ Hoggard set a commitment date of Oct 6

[jesmu84]

When did you change your mind on Juan? 

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=21586.msg234307#msg234307

Lol

[JWags85]

Just a reminder: Big Daddy Chili called a MU Daily Double earlier this summer.

Where?

[duanewade]

When did you change your mind on Juan? 

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=21586.msg234307#msg234307

I stand by analysis.  Always excited to get a player with potential at Marquette and once they agree to be part of the Marquette family they will get more love from me.  But never said he's a future NBA player and unfortunately he digressed while he was at Marquette.  It happens as Jimmy Clausen was once the #1 football recruit in the nation but never got any bigger or stronger and ended up being an undersized QB without the sufficient arm strength and size to even be an effective backup QB in the NFL. 

I love AJ Hoggard and RJ Davis too and will sing similar accolades about them if they commit but won't say they are NBA type players as I think RJ is too small and AJ isn't quick enough, explosive enough and plays like a 2 with a 1's body.  As Tower also correctly pointed out NBA potential and college potential are two different things.  Oso and Dawson Garcia both do have NBA potential/pedigrees of the player's we are recruiting in this class. 

[Uncle Rico]

I stand by analysis.  Always excited to get a player with potential at Marquette and once they agree to be part of the Marquette family they will get more love from me.  But never said he's a future NBA player and unfortunately he digressed while he was at Marquette.  It happens as Jimmy Clausen was once the #1 football recruit in the nation but never got any bigger or stronger and ended up being an undersized QB without the insufficient arm strength and size to even be an effective backup QB in the NFL. 

I love AJ Hoggard and RJ Davis too and will sing similar accolades about them if they commit but won't say they are NBA type players as I think RJ is too small and AJ isn't quick enough, explosive enough and plays like a 2 with a 1's body.  As Tower also correctly pointed out NBA potential and college potential are two different things.  Oso and Dawson Garcia both do have NBA potential/pedigrees of the player's we are recruiting in this class.

I think those are fair assessments at this juncture

[onepost]

https://www.instagram.com/p/B20e3IkAkmM/?igshid=10qj2xhi8xf8v

Haven't seen it anywhere on twitter but it looks like AJ Hoggard set a commitment date of Oct 6

Right after his visit to Marquette......would be an awesome awesome get.
I love the Myles Powell comparisons some have had with AJ on here.

[wadesworld]

I believe Hoggard was scheduled to take a visit to Florida after his Marquette visit. Is that happening?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I remember about 10 games into his freshman season when folks actually were worried that Mayo would leave for the NBA. That was fun stuff.

To be fair, he (joey)  did accumulate 4 or 5 BE Freshman of the Week awards in the early part of the season.  He certainly was loads better than Toddler.

What happened after that though...

EDIT:  My reading comprehension was a fail there, given you never even mentioned Joey. Sorry.  I'd like to blame my 5th beer for that.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I don't know if I ever said it but I thought Haanif had a chance to become the all-time leading scorer at Marquette after his Freshman year.

I was incorrect.

*raises hand as well*

[brewcity77]

I believe Hoggard was scheduled to take a visit to Florida after his Marquette visit. Is that happening?

It already did. His last three visits, MSU, Marquette, & Florida all took place in the span of about a week.

[MuMark]

Garcia visiting Minnesota on an official this weekend......https://twitter.com/coachdavidsisk/status/1177054202239049728?s=21

[MU82]

Butler made bigger strides than could have been expected. Wade was a great player in HS.

Butler was a very good athlete who improved every skill. DWade was an elite athlete - even by NBA standards.

That's the thing ... some folks think Wade was some kind of secret who was unearthed by Crean. Illinois desperately wanted him. He was a known quantity to many schools. He just didn't have the academics. Crean was willing to wait for him, and Wade loved that. If folks want to know why Wade, to this day, is so loyal to Crean, it's because Crean had his back when other coaches didn't.

I remember going to his HS game when they played Thornwood (Eddy Curry). There was absolutely no doubt who the best player on the floor was that night. Wade was spectacular, and I was thrilled he was gonna be a Warrior even though we'd have to wait a year for him to be eligible.

[esotericmindguy]

I thought I read on this board that major conferences were prohibited from taking partial qualifiers. Is that fake news?

[JakeBarnes]

Garcia visiting Minnesota on an official this weekend......https://twitter.com/coachdavidsisk/status/1177054202239049728?s=21

Interesting. From the source's view, Marquette is in decent shape. Really want to get him on campus again, ideally after IU .

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Right after his visit to Marquette......would be an awesome awesome get.
I love the Myles Powell comparisons some have had with AJ on here.

His most recent visit was actually Florida, but it was a whirlwind tour for him so I'm not sure the last visit means much here.

Looking at the scholarship situations at his final 5, Us and Providence definitely have the most room. MSU/Ole Miss are down to their last schollie....and both MSU and Providence have already signed a PG in 2020 and may be prioritizing elsewhere. Florida and Marquette make the most sense in a vacuum but these things rarely come down to what makes sense. Florida has a lot of irons in the fire, MU seems to be more focused on a select group. Would love to get Hoggard on the board.

[Dawson Rental]

I think you are missing my point. I agree ,and have constantly said on this site ,not to evaluate any player until you have seen him live or watched several full length games. Highlight reels are fools gold. Heck if you dig out the  Matt Heldt highlight reel it would be the next coming of Bill Laimbeer.

All I am saying about Juan is that he had raw talent and he is now finally realizing on the potential that existed based on his physical tools. At that, his opportunity is based on hard work on d combined with very quick and active hands. What he did was distill the one thing he could be elite at and focused on it hard for several years .

Matt Heldt punched others players in the groin in HS when the officials were looking the other way?  Nahhhh

[JWags85]

That's the thing ... some folks think Wade was some kind of secret who was unearthed by Crean. Illinois desperately wanted him. He was a known quantity to many schools. He just didn't have the academics. Crean was willing to wait for him, and Wade loved that. If folks want to know why Wade, to this day, is so loyal to Crean, it's because Crean had his back when other coaches didn't.

I remember going to his HS game when they played Thornwood (Eddy Curry). There was absolutely no doubt who the best player on the floor was that night. Wade was spectacular, and I was thrilled he was gonna be a Warrior even though we'd have to wait a year for him to be eligible.

I knew people that went to practices and scrimmages that season he sat out. On a team with Brian Wardle and Cordell Henry as upper classmen, Wade was unquestionably the best player in the floor and they knew he'd be a stud the minute he started next year

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

I thought I read on this board that major conferences were prohibited from taking partial qualifiers. Is that fake news?

That is true.  Conference usa didnt

[Jay Bee]

I thought I read on this board that major conferences were prohibited from taking partial qualifiers. Is that fake news?

There is no such thing as a partial qualifier in D1 BBall.

[tower912]

Not any more.   

[MU82]

EDIT:  My reading comprehension was a fail there, given you never even mentioned Joey. Sorry.  I'd like to blame my 5th beer for that.

No worries. It happens. I hope you also enjoyed a 6th!