Recruiting as of 4/15/25

[brewcity77]

I don't know. Johnny Davis was a lottery pick. We've seen first round picks from Santa Clara, Belmont, UCF, and Colorado State. If he's good enough, he'll get there, whether he goes to Marquette, Duke, Wisconsin, or Milwaukee.

Wisconsin would showcase his offense and give him the opportunity to shoot. Maybe he'd average a couple fewer points, but scouts are smart enough to see past that. The only person that will determine if K2 is actually NBA2K is Kon himself.

[avid1010]

It's a legit question...

It's not legit to say that if "he's good enough, he's good enough" and then question if Omax would have made it to the league at Duke insinuating that MU was the better fit.  Those two thoughts are nearly opposite.

I think the school/coach makes a huge difference, and I don't believe the "good enough" argument.  Fit and timing are so important...especially when you get outside the lottery/first-round type talent.  Player development, both basketball and character, are vastly different at different programs.  Acting like that doesn't matter is crazy imho.

[MU82]

It's not legit to say that if "he's good enough, he's good enough" and then question if Omax would have made it to the league at Duke insinuating that MU was the better fit.  Those two thoughts are nearly opposite.

I think the school/coach makes a huge difference, and I don't believe the "good enough" argument.  Fit and timing are so important...especially when you get outside the lottery/first-round type talent.  Player development, both basketball and character, are vastly different at different programs.  Acting like that doesn't matter is crazy imho.

This actually supported Lenny's comment.

[The Sultan]

It's not legit to say that if "he's good enough, he's good enough" and then question if Omax would have made it to the league at Duke insinuating that MU was the better fit.  Those two thoughts are nearly opposite.

I think the school/coach makes a huge difference, and I don't believe the "good enough" argument.  Fit and timing are so important...especially when you get outside the lottery/first-round type talent.  Player development, both basketball and character, are vastly different at different programs.  Acting like that doesn't matter is crazy imho.

Lenny's question was specifically about playing time, which IMO is a legitimate question.

[brewcity77]

It's not legit to say that if "he's good enough, he's good enough" and then question if Omax would have made it to the league at Duke insinuating that MU was the better fit.  Those two thoughts are nearly opposite.

I think the school/coach makes a huge difference, and I don't believe the "good enough" argument.  Fit and timing are so important...especially when you get outside the lottery/first-round type talent.  Player development, both basketball and character, are vastly different at different programs.  Acting like that doesn't matter is crazy imho.

I don't think they are as much as you say. O-Max's stock skyrocketed because of his play at the Combine and individual workouts. Players are drafted on limited play and upside all the time. Most people had Prosper pegged as likely to return but his work after his time at Marquette changed that calculus. It's not like he put up outrageous numbers because he was at Marquette.

At this point, Kon is likely to come out as a top-20 high school recruit and McDonald's All-American. He's not going to be a mystery. If he can shoot 40% from three and flash enough skill and athleticism to warrant NBA consideration, he'll get a look whether he's playing 10-12 mpg at Duke or 20-25 mpg at Marquette.

[The Sultan]

I don't think they are as much as you say. O-Max's stock skyrocketed because of his play at the Combine and individual workouts. Players are drafted on limited play and upside all the time. Most people had Prosper pegged as likely to return but his work after his time at Marquette changed that calculus. It's not like he put up outrageous numbers because he was at Marquette.

At this point, Kon is likely to come out as a top-20 high school recruit and McDonald's All-American. He's not going to be a mystery. If he can shoot 40% from three and flash enough skill and athleticism to warrant NBA consideration, he'll get a look whether he's playing 10-12 mpg at Duke or 20-25 mpg at Marquette.

I think that can most definitely happen for a player like Kon.

However, I don't think a player like OMax would even think of going pro if he were playing say the David Joplin, sixth-man role last year.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I don't know. Johnny Davis was a lottery pick. We've seen first round picks from Santa Clara, Belmont, UCF, and Colorado State. If he's good enough, he'll get there, whether he goes to Marquette, Duke, Wisconsin, or Milwaukee.

Wisconsin would showcase his offense and give him the opportunity to shoot. Maybe he'd average a couple fewer points, but scouts are smart enough to see past that. The only person that will determine if K2 is actually NBA2K is Kon himself.

Johnny Davis was a lottery pick. He is also the only Badger who is going to be on an opening day roster. Micah Potter has a 2 way with the Jazz and other than that i don't think there are any in the league this season.  Davis is the exception,  not the rule

[brewcity77]

Johnny Davis was a lottery pick. He is also the only Badger who is going to be on an opening day roster. Micah Potter has a 2 way with the Jazz and other than that i don't think there are any in the league this season.  Davis is the exception,  not the rule

I don't think that really has any bearing on Kon. Wisconsin doesn't have players in the NBA because by and large that's not who they recruit. They get the occasional Dekker who has that potential from the start, or stumble across a Davis/Kaminsky type that comes good, but I don't think there's anyone that's been there the past 20 years that would've been in the league at a different program.

[The Sultan]

So far, Johnny Davis is not a great example of how the UW system gets players ready for the NBA.

[avid1010]

This actually supported Lenny's comment.

Then I'm missing something because saying "if you're good enough, you're good enough" and then questioning if OMax would have made it to the NBA through Duke doesn't make any sense to me. 

His belief that "if you're good enough, you're good enough" would mean that he would indeed have made it at Duke (or anywhere) because he's good enough. 

[avid1010]

Lenny's question was specifically about playing time, which IMO is a legitimate question.

But he was good enough...so he would have been good enough...right?

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[The Sultan]

But he was good enough...so he would have been good enough...right?

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I think you are taking Lenny's point way too simplistically. 

[lawdog77]

I don't think they are as much as you say. O-Max's stock skyrocketed because of his play at the Combine and individual workouts. Players are drafted on limited play and upside all the time. Most people had Prosper pegged as likely to return but his work after his time at Marquette changed that calculus. It's not like he put up outrageous numbers because he was at Marquette.

At this point, Kon is likely to come out as a top-20 high school recruit and McDonald's All-American. He's not going to be a mystery. If he can shoot 40% from three and flash enough skill and athleticism to warrant NBA consideration, he'll get a look whether he's playing 10-12 mpg at Duke or 20-25 mpg at Marquette.

Because I am too lazy to look,In the last 5years, how many players in the first round,only played10-12 minutes a game in college?

[The Sultan]

Not often, but it happens. Kobe Buffkin only played 10 mpg for Michigan this past year and was a first round pick.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Not often, but it happens. Kobe Buffkin only played 10 mpg for Michigan this past year and was a first round pick.

That was his freshman year.  Bufkin played 34 mpg as a sophomore.

[avid1010]

I think you are taking Lenny's point way too simplistically.

Perhaps...just seemed like two contradictory points in one statement.  It was also in response to if a recruit wanted to get away from his family or not, and my statement that I didn't think that would be as important as where he felt he would be best prepared for the NBA.

I think program, coach, fit, timing, etc... all play a huge roll...especially fringe talent kids or kids that are fringe because of poor work ethic or character.  A coach/program can make a huge difference. 

[The Sultan]

That was his freshman year.  Bufkin played 34 mpg as a sophomore.

Oh thanks. Mixed up his years. Nevermind then.

[brewcity77]

Because I am too lazy to look,In the last 5years, how many players in the first round,only played10-12 minutes a game in college?

10-12 is a bit hyperbolic, but Harry Giles was picked 20th after averaging 11.5 mpg in 2017. Dariq Whitehead & Derrick Lively got picked in the first after playing 20 mpg. Jalen Johnson averaged 21.4 mpg but only played 13 games. You don't need to be a star there. HS All Americans with roleplayer stats are enough to get drafted in the first round.

[MUbiz]

NBA scouts are looking at potential and athleticism.  This is why Drew Timme went undrafted and Omax was a first round pick.  Timme was the better college player, but Omax has legnth and his athleticism is off the charts, and those are things you can't teach. 

[rgoode57]

I suspect Kneuppel and his parents are smart enough to realize that any of the schools he is considering will result in him getting to the NBA if he has NBA talent (and I don't know if he does or not since I have never seen him play). I think his recruitment is pretty straightforward at this point. If he wants to stay close to home, he goes to either MU or UW. If he wants to go to another part of the country, for whatever reason, he  ends up at Duke or UVA.  The fact that he is considering MU, UW, Duke, and UVA may indicate that he has not decided yet if he wants to leave home or stay close, or it may indicate that he is open to either alternative depending on where he just feels more comfortable. If he decides on MU, I will be thrilled since he seems to be a high priority for Shaka. But, if he goes to either Duke or UVA, I really can't criticize him since both are also great programs. Nice to be an eighteen year-old with so many good choices.

[PointWarrior]

Johnny Davis was a lottery pick. He is also the only Badger who is going to be on an opening day roster. Micah Potter has a 2 way with the Jazz and other than that i don't think there are any in the league this season.  Davis is the exception,  not the rule

Tyler Herro WAS a badger commit

[Lennys Tap]

Perhaps...just seemed like two contradictory points in one statement.

They'll find him at Duke, Marquette or East Carolina if he's good enough. Of course that's assuming he's playing at all of those places. If he's buried on the bench at one of those places, maybe not. Add to that a player's development and attitude are affected positively or negatively by playing time. So the guy playing regularly at MU could have a better NBA chance than that same guy getting limited minutes at Duke. I don't see any contradiction there.

Thanks to Mike and Sultan for coming to my defense.

[avid1010]

They'll find him at Duke, Marquette or East Carolina if he's good enough. Of course that's assuming he's playing at all of those places. If he's buried on the bench at one of those places, maybe not. Add to that a player's development and attitude are affected positively or negatively by playing time. So the guy playing regularly at MU could have a better NBA chance than that same guy getting limited minutes at Duke. I don't see any contradiction there.

Thanks to Mike and Sultan for coming to my defense.

"If he's good enough"...

[The Lens]

For Top 20 players / 5 stars, college is a speedbump.  Scouts have been watching him for years and they know that college or Ignite or G League is just the annoying gap before he can be drafted.   

[avid1010]

For Top 20 players / 5 stars, college is a speedbump.  Scouts have been watching him for years and they know that college or Ignite or G League is just the annoying gap before he can be drafted.

Agreed...i didn't take that from your first post.  We don't disagree.