Recruiting as of 3/15/24

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

https://twitter.com/NorthHillsHoops/status/1569861562940227584?t=koL7-XaIsqNUGfMgfkYI2A&s=19

Barry also visiting Royce Parham. 2024 PF from Pittsburgh that just visited the Badgers

[bilsu]

Virginia won the 2019 title and Baylor won the 2021 title. How many composite top 100 recruits did those teams have on their roster?

[wadesworld]

Virginia won the 2019 title and Baylor won the 2021 title. How many composite top 100 recruits did those teams have on their roster?

5 of Virginia’s 7 rotational players were top 100 and one of the two that weren’t was from  Guinea.

Baylor had 5 on their roster, 4 in their rotation and one rotational player from Cameroon.

[TedBaxter]

Yippee!  Hopefully we can beat out Rutgers again!

If you couldn't read that Norman was going to Marquette when he didn't get additional offers after a strong EYBL campaign, you might want to brush up on your recruiting analyzing.

[Pakuni]

@WisBBYearbook: Coaches from Marquette, Notre Dame and Wisconsin checked in this week at Wisconsin Lutheran to watch junior Kon Knueppel (6-5).

[Pakuni]

If you couldn't read that Norman was going to Marquette when he didn't get additional offers after a strong EYBL campaign, you might want to brush up on your recruiting analyzing.

Calipari and Scheyer wanted him, but knew better than to get involved.
I mean, come on.  No knock on Tre whatsoever, but coaches won't  stop recruiting or offering a player they really want because he's leaning toward one school or another. Heck, recruiting continues up until signing day.
See: GG Jackson
See: Skyy Clark
See: Amari Whiting

[Elonsmusk]

@WisBBYearbook: Coaches from Marquette, Notre Dame and Wisconsin checked in this week at Wisconsin Lutheran to watch junior Kon Knueppel (6-5).

Knueppel just rubs me so neutral, unless he grows another 2-3 inches.  He's a great shooter at his level so far, but an undersized 3 lacking athleticism isn't my ideal.  He feels like a Big10/ND kid.

So..seems you are right on with your assessment.  LOL.  Nice.

[TedBaxter]

Calipari and Scheyer wanted him, but knew better than to get involved.
I mean, come on.  No knock on Tre whatsoever, but coaches won't  stop recruiting or offering a player they really want because he's leaning toward one school or another. Heck, recruiting continues up until signing day.
See: GG Jackson
See: Skyy Clark
See: Amari Whiting

I trust my recruiting instincts on the Norman decision timeline.

[jfp61]

Calipari and Scheyer wanted him, but knew better than to get involved.
I mean, come on.  No knock on Tre whatsoever, but coaches won't  stop recruiting or offering a player they really want because he's leaning toward one school or another. Heck, recruiting continues up until signing day.
See: GG Jackson
See: Skyy Clark
See: Amari Whiting

Not Calipari or Scheyer. But Mark Few and Tony Bennet did just that in June and July. Figured offer him wasn't worth it at that point. Also all signs indicated Norman committed quietly/decided on Marquette late April after visiting Marquette in Mid April. After being given a visit over DaiDai Ames.

My guess is Marquette is offering a bigger role than Few or Bennett.  But still a decent get.

[brewcity77]

Calipari and Scheyer wanted him, but knew better than to get involved.
I mean, come on.  No knock on Tre whatsoever, but coaches won't  stop recruiting or offering a player they really want because he's leaning toward one school or another. Heck, recruiting continues up until signing day.
See: GG Jackson
See: Skyy Clark
See: Amari Whiting

Tre put up EYBL numbers that have only been matched by 9 other players. The other 9 were all top-15 overall, 5-star recruits, including three #1 overall NBA Draft picks.

https://twitter.com/mikeyagmin/status/1567303891187863554?s=46&t=cWddfu1058uHqTa8bbHMgw

As mentioned, other programs sniffed in summer but he was already committed to Marquette. The only reason he held his announcement was in honor of Terrence Clarke, who was from Norman's hometown and his birthday was 9/6.

[Pakuni]

Teams stopped recruiting a player with not only 5-star potential,, but #1 overall NBA pick upside, because he had a secret verbal commitment to Marquette.
Got it. 

[wadesworld]

Teams stopped recruiting a player with not only 5-star potential,, but #1 overall NBA pick upside, because he had a secret verbal commitment to Marquette.
Got it.

 

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Teams stopped recruiting a player with not only 5-star potential,, but #1 overall NBA pick upside, because he had a secret verbal commitment to Marquette.
Got it.

Do you think it’s out of the realm of possibility that Norman silently committed well in advance of 9/6 and communicated to other schools his recruitment was over?

Seems quite plausible to me.

[jfp61]

Teams stopped recruiting a player with not only 5-star potential,, but #1 overall NBA pick upside, because he had a secret verbal commitment to Marquette.
Got it.

Number 1 pick, no. Top 25-15 guard, yep all the time.
People don't like to waste their time.

Tony Bennett's intial inquiry doesn't work out, he move on and goes all in on Elijah Gertrude. I'm sure Mark Few will find someone in the transfer market, or at the end of the cycle.

Also, sometimes big schools stop recruiting the #1 players in the class when they feel like their out of the race.

Duke didn't spend a single second recruiting DJ Wagner.

[brewcity77]

Teams stopped recruiting a player with not only 5-star potential,, but #1 overall NBA pick upside, because he had a secret verbal commitment to Marquette.
Got it.

You're misrepresenting and misinterpreting what I said. The numbers Tre put up in EYBL are the ones that bring in offers. There was a lot of talk about his recruitment blowing up, but while Gonzaga and Virginia kicked the tires, that blowup didn't really seem to happen. Why? Because he was firmly committed here already.

None of that guarantees his future, but the fact is that he put up numbers previously only seen by top-15 players. If you really think college coaches aren't savvy enough to recognize that then you have a low opinion of the people that get paid millions to recognize exactly that. Those same coaches, however, are also savvy enough to not waste their time when a player is firmly committed, even if it didn't come across the Twitter feed yet.

[withoutbias]

So everyone in college basketball knew Tre had committed to Marquette months ago, but Rutgers still had him in for an official visit? And with it being the worst kept secret in the sport (except to Rutgers, apparently), only 4 people between 3 recruiting services made a prediction for him to Marquette (at least up until commitment date)?

[JTJ3]

Tre never ended up visting Rutgers.

[brewcity77]

So everyone in college basketball knew Tre had committed to Marquette months ago, but Rutgers still had him in for an official visit? And with it being the worst kept secret in the sport (except to Rutgers, apparently), only 4 people between 3 recruiting services made a prediction for him to Marquette (at least up until commitment date)?

I'm pretty sure those prediction machines reward being first and you're probably putting too much stock in their importance.

Things that are general knowledge in recruiting circles come as a surprise to fans all the time. Everyone knew a year in advance that Tyler Herro was never going to play in Madison but their fans were still shocked when he decommitted and are still bitter 5 years later.

[cheebs09]

I’m sure people reached out to him. I doubt any coach is going to want to have it public they are offering a guy they have no shot. That’s not going to help them with their other targets that they have a non-zero chance with.

I think there was a tweet from a writer this summer basically saying he thought the recruitment was already over.

[The Equalizer]

You're misrepresenting and misinterpreting what I said. The numbers Tre put up in EYBL are the ones that bring in offers. There was a lot of talk about his recruitment blowing up, but while Gonzaga and Virginia kicked the tires, that blowup didn't really seem to happen. Why? Because he was firmly committed here already.

Or, perhaps because after kicking the tires, Few and Bennett perceived that his EYBL numbers were an aberration and backed off.

[MU82]

Or, perhaps because after kicking the tires, Few and Bennett perceived that his EYBL numbers were an aberration and backed off.

Perhaps he really sucks. I can't believe Marquette got stuck with this lame-o.

[Pakuni]

I'm OK with accepting the fact that Tre Norman was recruited by the schools he was recruited by. It doesn't mean he won't be a great player for Marquette.
I don't need to come up with a fanciful tale in which better programs chose not to get involved with a potential top 15, 5-star talent out of respect for a silent verbal commitment.
Or that coaches of top programs won't make a 10-minute phone call to a potential top 15, 5-star talent and extend an offer because it's just such a big waste of time.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I'm OK with accepting the fact that Tre Norman was recruited by the schools he was recruited by. It doesn't mean he won't be a great player for Marquette.
I don't need to come up with a fanciful tale in which better programs chose not to get involved with a potential top 15, 5-star talent out of respect for a silent verbal commitment.
Or that coaches of top programs won't make a 10-minute phone call to a potential top 15, 5-star talent and extend an offer because it's just such a big waste of time.

No one said it was "out of the respect for a silent verbal commitment" that no one reached out.  And no one even claimed that coaches of top programs didn't make a ten minute phone call!  I am sure some of them did.  What people are saying is that he committed to Marquette and stuck with that commitment despite putting up some head turning numbers this summer.  I think at one point, some recruiting guy said that Norman is "a very loyal kid" (or something similar) when asked why other offers didn't seem to be coming.

You do realize that not every "ten minute phone call" is reported out to recruiting gurus right? 

[MUfan12]

Tweet from July 20th- https://twitter.com/andrew__slater/status/1549803076994859011?s=21&t=lIas2GR96i8Q1PPp6ddOMw

@Andrew__Slater
He’s a loyal kid. Think this is a fait accompli…September announcement

[rocket surgeon]

I’m sure people reached out to him. I doubt any coach is going to want to have it public they are offering a guy they have no shot. That’s not going to help them with their other targets that they have a non-zero chance with.

I think there was a tweet from a writer this summer basically saying he thought the recruitment was already over.

"thought the recruitment was over"? and this from people who should know better than most?