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Mr. Sand-Knit

I read as he would consider going to a school he hasnt visited not as he is not going to a school that he has visited. 
Political free board, plz leave your clever quips in your clever mind.

MU82

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bilsu

Quote from: muguru on April 07, 2020, 03:45:55 PM
Absolutely NOT...dumbest idea ever. If you fill the 3 scholarships and Mane wants to come..you take him. Period. You'd be an absolute damn fool as a Coach to turn down that kind of talent. You get the most talented players you can, and figure it out.
No you are a damn fool to fill the 13th scholarship, if you had a chance at Mane. My point is not to fill the scholarship and then have to cut somebody. Leave it open and if you do not get Mane then you have a chance at a mid-season transfer.

bilsu

Quote from: Marq3332 on April 07, 2020, 06:23:39 PM
Mediocrity sucks. But I digress. Couldn't Mane come to Milwaukee on his own? Walk the campus. Check-out Fiserv. Doesn't mean Wojo & Co have to be involved since we are in a dead zone. It would be no different than me walking around showing my nephew the Union, over to the library, the rec center etc. However, Wojo and staff have been on Mane's turf before any other program. If that means anything, and campus visits are out the window, it should tip the scale in MU's favor, IMO.
Mane visited Marquette. Sounds like he might commit to Michigan St. without visiting. MU might have a better chance, if he actually visits Michigan St.

Bad_Reporter

Mane never was coming here.  I'd bet a lot on it that he doesn't, nor wanted to for a long time now.

Hope I'm wrong, but highly doubt it.

LAZER

Is Mane still exploring playing pro? Wouldn't be surprised to see him go that route.

Dawson Rental

Quote from: LAZER on April 07, 2020, 10:41:00 PM
Is Mane still exploring playing pro? Wouldn't be surprised to see him go that route.

Wouldn't be smart without a first round guarantee.
You actually have a degree from Marquette?

Quote from: muguru
No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: WithoutBias on April 07, 2020, 08:39:53 PM
If I was an adult who a teenager was looking to for advice and guidance? Helllllllll no. That would literally be the very last program in this country I would ever advise my child to attend. That entire university is as bad as it comes. Covering up child abuse, sexual abuse, etc. all for what? A leg up on some athletic fields? Screw that entire university and the East Lansing justice system.

Izzo, like D'Antonio, can play the innocent victim, ignorance is bliss game. They're as dirty and corrupt as anyone not named Nassar in that city. And that's saying A LOT.
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4everwarriors

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The Sultan

If I were a basketball player looking to spend a year or two in college before heading to the NBA, I would go to MSU and play for Izzo before coming to MU to play for Wojo.  I said the same thing when we lost out on Winston, Tillman and Watts.
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Its DJOver

Quote from: Bad_Reporter on April 07, 2020, 10:23:38 PM
Mane never was coming here.  I'd bet a lot on it that he doesn't, nor wanted to for a long time now.

Hope I'm wrong, but highly doubt it.

considering that there's no way to prove or disprove anything, this is a pretty stupid post.

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 08, 2020, 08:08:01 AM
If I were a basketball player looking to spend a year or two in college before heading to the NBA, I would go to MSU and play for Izzo before coming to MU to play for Wojo.  I said the same thing when we lost out on Winston, Tillman and Watts.

Wasn't it pretty much confirmed that Tillman's pregnant girlfriend staying in Michigan a larger factor in his recruitment, than his chance as an NBA prospect.  Not saying we would have got him had that not happened, but I seem to remember us being considered the front-runner until she started tweeting pro MSU stuff.
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Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 06, 2025, 06:04:29 PMthe stats bear that out, but

MU82

Quote from: 4everDawson on April 07, 2020, 10:49:25 PM
Wouldn't be smart without a first round guarantee.

Not saying you're wrong, but several players who have nothing close to that kind of guarantee already have declared for the draft.

Successful athletes are confident-going-on-cocky. They think they can achieve even if "experts" say they can't. Some also have people in their ears giving them incorrect information.

I don't know Mane at all -- none of us do -- but given the little bit I have read, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he goes pro.
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Pakuni

Quote from: MU82 on April 08, 2020, 08:35:10 AM
Not saying you're wrong, but several players who have nothing close to that kind of guarantee already have declared for the draft.

Successful athletes are confident-going-on-cocky. They think they can achieve even if "experts" say they can't. Some also have people in their ears giving them incorrect information.

I don't know Mane at all -- none of us do -- but given the little bit I have read, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he goes pro.

Beyond this, there are ways to make good money playing basketball that don't involve being a first-round NBA pick.
I have no idea what Mane's family situation is like, but it may be that earning six figures to play for a year or two in Europe or Australia (often tax-free, with housing provided) is more appealing than playing for free and attending classes in which you have no interest.

MU82

Quote from: Pakuni on April 08, 2020, 08:42:07 AM
Beyond this, there are ways to make good money playing basketball that don't involve being a first-round NBA pick.
I have no idea what Mane's family situation is like, but it may be that earning six figures to play for a year or two in Europe or Australia (often tax-free, with housing provided) is more appealing than playing for free and attending classes in which you have no interest.

Yep. Sometimes we -- and I include myself -- apply way too much logic when discussing this stuff.

"So-and-so shouldn't leave X University because he is not ready for the NBA and won't be drafted."

Well sure. That's probably true. I mean, Vander Blue was a perfect example of this. But many of these kids don't think logically. And, as I said, they are supremely confident in their ability. And, as you said, some have no interest in going to college either at all (perhaps in Mane's case) or any longer (in Blue's case).

So should Mane go pro? Probably not. Will he? Nobody here knows.
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lawdog77

If Mane is so hell-bent on signing with the alleged criminal Izzo, why does he need a visit? I am sure it cannot be the chance to see the 8th wonder of the world, East Lansing.

JakeBarnes

Quote from: lawdog77 on April 08, 2020, 09:41:19 AM
If Mane is so hell-bent on signing with the alleged criminal Izzo, why does he need a visit? I am sure it cannot be the chance to see the 8th wonder of the world, East Lansing.

I listened to the interview he did. A few takeaways:

1. I gathered that he is a lean to MSU or at least somewhere that he hasn't visited. Emphasis on visiting places/
2. He made a lot of reference to wanting to understand the fanbase and the support they provide the team. While I also think that every song is about me, I could see this as a jab to the Marquette fanbase about the social media and booing campaigns (our fanbase can't even celebrate an All American properly, instead call him selfish and a cancer)
3. He has all the time in the world. Taking all the time he needs for this.
Assume what I say should be in teal if it doesn't pass the smell test for you.

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BCHoopster

If Turner signs, you could forget about Mane.  I think that is how it goes down, not sure about Carton, but I could see his signing as a positive if Turner signs.

Markusquette

If Mane is a supposed one-and-done then I'll take a year of Turner over him anyway.

TheREALwrk

Quote from: MU82 on April 08, 2020, 09:36:37 AM
Yep. Sometimes we -- and I include myself -- apply way too much logic when discussing this stuff.

"So-and-so shouldn't leave X University because he is not ready for the NBA and won't be drafted."

Well sure. That's probably true. I mean, Vander Blue was a perfect example of this. But many of these kids don't think logically. And, as I said, they are supremely confident in their ability. And, as you said, some have no interest in going to college either at all (perhaps in Mane's case) or any longer (in Blue's case).

So should Mane go pro? Probably not. Will he? Nobody here knows.

In Blue's case, he was supremely confident his "stock" wouldn't be any higher than after hat Elite 8 run. Additionally, Maybe he saw the writing on the wall with Buzz or knew the following year's team couldn't and wouldn't be able to replicate the success of the previous three years.

Eldon

Quote from: TheREALwrk on April 08, 2020, 10:20:37 AM
In Blue's case, he was supremely confident his "stock" wouldn't be any higher than after hat Elite 8 run. Additionally, Maybe he saw the writing on the wall with Buzz or knew the following year's team couldn't and wouldn't be able to replicate the success of the previous three years.

Sounds logical.

onepost

Quote from: TheREALwrk on April 08, 2020, 10:20:37 AM
In Blue's case, he was supremely confident his "stock" wouldn't be any higher than after hat Elite 8 run. Additionally, Maybe he saw the writing on the wall with Buzz or knew the following year's team couldn't and wouldn't be able to replicate the success of the previous three years.

Good to hear from you again, REALwrk!

CountryRoads

If Mane's goal is to be a one and done and first round draft pick, I can't see how MU or MSU are good options for him. Has Wojo even put a guard in the NBA in his 6 years here? MSU doesn't have much better of a track record either with one and dones. If he is as good as advertised, I predict some blue bloods will start sniffing around late and scoop him up last minute. Hope I'm wrong but I've definitely become more invested in the Turner/Carton recruitment as I think we have a more legit shot at them. Nothing against Mane and he'd be a terrific get. There's other really good options out there though.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: CountryRoads on April 08, 2020, 11:33:46 AM
If Mane's goal is to be a one and done and first round draft pick, I can't see how MU or MSU are good options for him. Has Wojo even put a guard in the NBA in his 6 years here? MSU doesn't have much better of a track record either with one and dones. If he is as good as advertised, I predict some blue bloods will start sniffing around late and scoop him up last minute. Hope I'm wrong but I've definitely become more invested in the Turner/Carton recruitment as I think we have a more legit shot at them. Nothing against Mane and he'd be a terrific get. There's other really good options out there though.

No one does more to hurt one and dones than Tom Izzo.  If Karim Mane wishes to be a one and done, Michigan State isn't the place to be showcased.
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muguru

Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 08, 2020, 11:43:14 AM
No one does more to hurt one and dones than Tom Izzo.  If Karim Mane wishes to be a one and done, Michigan State isn't the place to be showcased.

I'm honestly not sure Mane would even start for MSU. I say that in all honesty. Izzo does NOT start freshman. He's not going to play PG for MSU, not with Rocket Watts and AJ Hoggard there. I think he'd be a bench player.
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