Big East with 8-0 record to start the season
Just for argument's sake, here are the rankings and margins of victory for those games (kenpom rankings):
#224 Fairfield at Providence (PC by 7)
#235 Niagara at X (Xavier by 3)
#291 Mt. St. Marys at Nova (Villanova by 40)
#311 SIUE at MU (MU by 11)
#331 IUPUI at Butler (Butler by 9)
#348 Central Connecticut at U Conn (UConn by 51)
#356 Arkansas Pine Bluff at Creighton (CU by 13)
#358 (last in KenPom) Mississippi Valley State at The Johnnies (St. Johns by 58)
Before the season I was ready to concede that Villanova and UConn were probably the two teams that would fight it out for first and that St. Johns is a likely pick for #3. I wasn't convinced that Marquette couldn't be in the hunt for 4th, and the relative performance of Butler, PC, X, and Creighton against similar-level competition, I still think it's wrong to count us out.
Big East now 10-0 after two romps by The Hall and DePaul
DePaul had a 1 pt halftime lead. Interesting they pulled away
*irony alarm blaring in the background*
DePaul had a 1 pt halftime lead. Interesting they pulled awayBuilds character
Just for argument's sake, here are the rankings and margins of victory for those games (kenpom rankings):
#224 Fairfield at Providence (PC by 7)
#235 Niagara at X (Xavier by 3)
#291 Mt. St. Marys at Nova (Villanova by 40)
#311 SIUE at MU (MU by 11)
#331 IUPUI at Butler (Butler by 9)
#348 Central Connecticut at U Conn (UConn by 51)
#356 Arkansas Pine Bluff at Creighton (CU by 13)
#358 (last in KenPom) Mississippi Valley State at The Johnnies (St. Johns by 58)
Before the season I was ready to concede that Villanova and UConn were probably the two teams that would fight it out for first and that St. Johns is a likely pick for #3. I wasn't convinced that Marquette couldn't be in the hunt for 4th, and the relative performance of Butler, PC, X, and Creighton against similar-level competition, I still think it's wrong to count us out.
Creighton may have problems. Another first half deficit to a cupcake.
Hope the kids don’t leave the plantation.
Todays Big East games
Sacred Heart at Cooley & Company
Kennesaw State at Creighton
It's ESPN's top crew in Dan Shulman and Jay Bilas.
Georgetown looks terrible. Trailing 36-17 to Dartmouth on FS2.
Down 16 at half, took a 2 point lead with over 10 minutes left, lost by 9.Ewing screwed the conference by losing
Ewing screwed the conference by losing#FireEwing
Good win for DePaul over Central Michigan
"good?" They were a 13.5 favorite against a team picked 10th in the MAC.He didn't say excellent. Got to learn Herman speak.
Big East now 21-2, andMUShaka & Company contributes a quality win to the league.
Now , Cooley & Company need to put a heinie whoopin on The Badgers.
"good?" They were a 13.5 favorite against a team picked 10th in the MAC.
Providence up 11 on UW at half and a lot of empty seats in the Kohl Center
Any testicles been grabbed yet?Jonny Davis out with unspecified lower body injury for The Badgers ….
Jonny Davis out with unspecified lower body injury for The Badgers ….
https://madison.com/wsj/sports/college/basketball/men/johnny-davis-out-with-lower-body-injury-for-wisconsin-men-s-basketball-game-against-providence/article_732a088b-f7cd-596c-83d6-3b5f28828182.html
Jonny Davis out with unspecified lower body injury for The Badgers ….
https://madison.com/wsj/sports/college/basketball/men/johnny-davis-out-with-lower-body-injury-for-wisconsin-men-s-basketball-game-against-providence/article_732a088b-f7cd-596c-83d6-3b5f28828182.html
Jonny Davis out with unspecified lower body injury for The Badgers ….That has Davison written all over it...
https://madison.com/wsj/sports/college/basketball/men/johnny-davis-out-with-lower-body-injury-for-wisconsin-men-s-basketball-game-against-providence/article_732a088b-f7cd-596c-83d6-3b5f28828182.html
Not sure where else to post this. Cooley reacts to the MU win. Worth a watch.
https://twitter.com/KevinMcNamara33/status/1460469786463416322?s=20
Not sure where else to post this. Cooley reacts to the MU win. Worth a watch.
https://twitter.com/KevinMcNamara33/status/1460469786463416322?s=20
Not sure where else to post this. Cooley reacts to the MU win. Worth a watch.
https://twitter.com/KevinMcNamara33/status/1460469786463416322?s=20
Not sure where else to post this. Cooley reacts to the MU win. Worth a watch.
https://twitter.com/KevinMcNamara33/status/1460469786463416322?s=20
Huge night for the league. Winning against other major conferences is a big help. Providence is the first non-con team to beat UW in Madison since Marquette in the 2017-18 season.
Can someone update, or provide a link to, current conference records beyond the BEast? Thanks.This hasn't been updated for last nights games. However, it is a good approximation
Nice win for the Jays in Lincoln.
Each of the first 3 Gavitt tipoff games had the B10 team as favorite, the BE has won all three
SH at Michigan up next
Nebraska was favored? Easy money to take the Jays.
My guess too is Cooley may be close to Shaka as even though he has ties to Wisconsin Shaka was born in Rhode Island.
Seton Hall beats #4 Michigan.
Big East is 4-0
Four games.
Four B1G favorites.
Four BE wins.
We got this.
Massive start to the week for the league and doing a lot to make up for the marginal start.
Great start for the BigEast, but leave it to those nerds in the Ivy League to figure out how to break the RPI code.
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html (http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html)
Someone might want to tell them that the Big East has 11 teams now.
Great start for the BigEast, but leave it to those nerds in the Ivy League to figure out how to break the RPI code.
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html (http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html)
Great start for the BigEast, but leave it to those nerds in the Ivy League to figure out how to break the RPI code.\
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html (http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html)
<old man screaming at clouds> WHY IS MICHIGAN STILL #3 AND ILLINOIS#5 IN KENPOM!!!
<old man screaming at clouds> WHY IS MICHIGAN STILL #3 AND ILLINOIS#5 IN KENPOM!!!
<old man screaming at clouds> WHY IS MICHIGAN STILL #3 AND ILLINOIS#5 IN KENPOM!!!
<old man screaming at clouds> WHY IS MICHIGAN STILL #3 AND ILLINOIS#5 IN KENPOM!!!
Because KenPom is played on paper, while basketball is played on the court...
One of these years, the title-winning team is gonna be cutting down the nets but they'll give the trophy to the loser because they were still ahead on kenpom.
One of these years, the title-winning team is gonna be cutting down the nets but they'll give the trophy to the loser because they were still ahead on kenpom.
Gonzaga is hanging the 2021 KenPom Champions banner.
Shooting poorly, settling for 3s.
This is the most passive I can remember St. John's playing.
IUs defense is pretty impressive. St. John’s is having a hard time getting inside the three point line.
Despite the very rough 1st half-IU's defense, poor shooting, and of course the flagrant 2 resulting in a starter being ejected- St. John's came so close to pulling it off! Then there was Butler. They were simply embarrassing. Let's hope they play like that when we come to Hinkle. Kudos to Joey! He finally scored late in the game, sinking 2 FT's before Izzo pulled him out of the game.
Your thoughts on tonight's Gavitt games? I'm thinking Xavier will come up with the BE's 5th win. Too bad that St. Johns got into a hole and could not quite dig themselves out. Anyone else here who had bad memories of our last appearance at Assembly Hall while watching the game last night? Blood thirsty IU fans probably think they should be able to treat defeated opponents like the Aztecs allegedly did in their primitive basketball games- decapitate them.
Your thoughts on tonight's Gavitt games? I'm thinking Xavier will come up with the BE's 5th win. Too bad that St. Johns got into a hole and could not quite dig themselves out. Anyone else here who had bad memories of our last appearance at Assembly Hall while watching the game last night? Blood thirsty IU fans probably think they should be able to treat defeated opponents like the Aztecs allegedly did in their primitive basketball games- decapitate them.This is a family friendly board bro, easy with the Assembly Hall talk ;D
KenPom, like most rankings, is not actually about the rank but is really about the score (AdjEM is the score that KenPom uses). As stats often are, KenPom scores are on a bell curve. There is a lot of space between the scores of teams ranked towards the top and towards the bottom and a lot less space between the scores of teams ranked towards the middle. This means that it takes a lot for top teams to move up or down (same with the garbage teams ranked 325 or worse).
For example, the space between #1 Gonzaga (+31.27 AdjEM) and #2 Kansas (+27.12) is greater than the space between #88 Marquette (+9.09) and #118 Missouri (+5.07). This means Gonzaga can likely suffer multiple losses before Kansas would be able to overtake them.
There’s a decent chance the 5th win will come down to DePaul, and I for one am worried.
Sleeping giant.
So the Big 10 was favored in every Gavitt game this season? I'm not sure what to make of that.
B10 is once again overrated?
No no, its the refs fault. The Illinois fan in front of me on Monday assured me that Marquette, and other Big East teams, wouldn't be able to handle B10 basketball if the refs called it like a B10 game.
No no, its the refs fault. The Illinois fan in front of me on Monday assured me that Marquette, and other Big East teams, wouldn't be able to handle B10 basketball if the refs called it like a B10 game.
Which cracks me up as all three refs were B1G Conference refs.
Final.NH was decent competition . They should do well in their own league
Providence 69 NH 58
To no surprise. Outstanding crowd at Cintas. Xavier beats Ohio State!Excellent win for the Big East. This really helps the leagues cause.
At this rate even DePaul might beat its Big 10 opponent…
Loved the ESPN post game "big ten is in postseason form with these losses"
This Rutgers/DePaul game is ridiculous.Both draining three's. Super fun to watch.
Brown at Creighton
Siena at Georgetown
Huggy Bear versus Shaka
Creighton should be on alert , Brown played well against UNC.
Who is Dukiet rooting for?I don’t know but I think Deane is rooting for Siena
I don’t know but I think Deane is rooting for Siena
Jonas Aidoo has not played much for Tennessee
He missed a huge chunk of the preseason with an undisclosed illnessThanks for the update. Maybe we see some more of in todays game .
Watching Nova/Tennessee. Same old same old. Lather, rinse, repeat. Wright is the best coach in the country and I don't think it's close. They are so fundamentally sound on both ends. If I was Shaka I would spend an entire practice playing defense and focus on not biting on their shot fakes.
Yeah. Should’ve won at UCLA. Absolutely blowing the doors off Tennessee. This team is absolutely right there with any team in the country.
Yeah. Should’ve won at UCLA. Absolutely blowing the doors off Tennessee. This team is absolutely right there with any team in the country.I was not impressed with Villanova against UCLA. It just seem like they wanted to play bully ball on offense and just kept trying to score down low. Hard to tell how good they are, since it was a physical game with no fouls being called. After watching that game I bet $20 on UCLA to win the NCAA title. What sold me on UCLA is in a close game you cannot foul Juzang, because he is automatic at the free throw line.
Yeah. Should’ve won at UCLA. Absolutely blowing the doors off Tennessee. This team is absolutely right there with any team in the country.
I was not impressed with Villanova against UCLA. It just seem like they wanted to play bully ball on offense and just kept trying to score down low. Hard to tell how good they are, since it was a physical game with no fouls being called. After watching that game I bet $20 on UCLA to win the NCAA title. What sold me on UCLA is in a close game you cannot foul Juzang, because he is automatic at the free throw line.
It’s wild that @MarquetteMBB has more P6 conference opponent wins than the entire Big Ten. Marquette is 3-0; Big Ten is 2-7. #mubb #bigeast @BIGEASTMBB @becb_sbn
https://twitter.com/learnedhand5/status/1462050527185887235?s=21
Novas offense doing another disappearing act in the final 7 minutes of a big game
Nova will be fine. They’ve won two National titles playing 7 players. They were never going to go undefeated. And they get a day off between games in the NCAA Tournament.
True, but do they have the 7 players they need this year to remain a top 10 team? Maybe, maybe not. Robinson-Earl's departure stung.
Anyone else catch one of the announcers on his comment regarding the scoring in the first half? Purdue had 21 on the scoreboard and he informed the viewers that Purdue's 1st 10 points came in the paint, but the next 11 came from the 3 point line.
I’d be very surprised if they weren’t one of the 10 best teams in the country this year. They lost an OT game at UCLA, blew out a good Tennessee, and fell apart against a very good Purdue team. I think they’re a top 5 team, personally.
True, but do they have the 7 players they need this year to remain a top 10 team? Maybe, maybe not. Robinson-Earl's departure stung.
Anyone else catch one of the announcers on his comment regarding the scoring in the first half? Purdue had 21 on the scoreboard and he informed the viewers that Purdue's 1st 10 points came in the paint, but the next 11 came from the 3 point line.
X racks up another winX looking very good. That said, Scruggs and Kunkel annoy the sh!t out of me.
How do you score 11 from the 3 point line?
Creighton getting hammered by Colorado St.
CSU was 20/34 from 3
Wow.David Roddy had 36 , Creighton has no one on their roster who can match his brute strength. Kid is 6-6 255 with skills
Butler may be the worst team in our league? I'm not sure Jordan will be back next year.Yes they are getting their butt kicked by a very good Houston team.
6-0 against Georgetown, Butler, and DePaul would be really helpful.Ohio State up 5 at half over The Hall
6-0 against Georgetown, Butler, and DePaul would be really helpful.
Yes - but the odds are very much against it.
Butler may be the worst team in our league?
Yes they are getting their butt kicked by a very good Houston team.
Jordan had two quality years with an NIT sandwiched between. He is also an alum and part of " The Butler Way" which is a big deal there. Jordan is no where near the hot seat.
I think Georgetown is comfortably at the bottom of the league. Butler is a team that has always given us problems so I am not willing to consign them to the junk heap yet.
Creighton wins at the buzzer. Ends the game on a 12-2 run.Big East Conference needed that win.
Warching UI, Ole Miss and WV play other teams has me feeling a little less enthusiastic about MU. Still love the hire, and they're off to a better start than I thought, but those teams haven't impressed me much in their other games.
Creighton wins at the buzzer. Ends the game on a 12-2 run.
Apparently Illinois is a complete disaster? Smh.
They couldn’t look much worse. Took a big lead the first few minutes but Cincinnati has absolutely embarrassed them since.
I believe we got our first "big time, onions" of the year. Ohio State will have three to lead Seton Hall. 79-76. 2.3 left. Thrilling game.
I believe we got our first "big time, onions" of the year. Ohio State will have three to lead Seton Hall. 79-76. 2.3 left. Thrilling game.
Did Cale get hurt?If he got hurt that would not help their cause.
If he got hurt that would not help their cause.
he did, a strained groin. Left just past the midway point of the first half with the Hall up 8.
Cooley & Company up 11 overThe Wild Cats of NorthwesternCollins & Company. 8 minutes left
Drip by drip or swish by swish? At the end of the day we need to tickle the twine with far more consistency and the intensity and focus must be 24/7.
Butler on the verge of losing to A&M. Put Lavall squarely on the hot seat.
Yep. He may be a “Butler guy”, but his teams have been getting progressively worse since Holtmanns guys left. Second game in a row they finish with more TOs than FG made, and it’s not exactly like they’re some super young inexperienced team either. I would think a bottom 2 or 3 finish in conference would see him gone.
Isn't Butler missing their best player?
Yes. Nze has a partially torn labrum.
Isn't Butler missing their best player?
Even with Nze out (debatable whether he's their best or not), they returned 4 of their top 5 scorers from last year, two of which are 5th year Seniors. They're 0-3 against high majors, being run out of the gym twice. Assuming ND (sucks) beats Chaminade, they won't get another high major in Maui/Vegas. They'll likely be significant underdogs against Oklahoma (first road game too), they'll likely get blown out by Purdue. That means that they're likely to enter conference play just over .500 with all their wins being buy games. Further, Jordan's only tourney appearance was year one with all of Holtmann's players. Their top rated Freshman from the 2020 class got kicked out of school for an alleged rape. Their top 2021 current Freshman was ranked 218 per 247, and their only commit thus far for next year's class is ranked outside the top 300 per 247, so it's not like recruiting is gonna save his job. This is year 5 for Jordan (I've been told that's sufficient time to judge), if they continue down their current trajectory, it's hard to see him sticking around.
Also, St. John’s is down 2 at half to one of the St. Francis schools
And Providence is getting torched by Virginia.
The atmosphere at Carnesecca must be pretty intense right now. Local teams in a tight game.21-6 run for St John's to end the game for a six point win. They avoided disaster.
Providence defense is awful if they let Virginia score 26 points in 18 minutes
21-6 run for St John's to end the game for a six point win. They avoided disaster.A Loss at home against a cupcake would have been a disaster for The Johnnies
UCONN has a lot of weapons and a stud Frosh.Auburn was rolling. 21-10.
Epic choke job from UCONN. This would be a terrible loss after they were in complete control.
UConn has not handled the press well at all. Also RJ Cole is no Bouknight.
That was freaking brutal. Wow.....just wow.Unbelievable turnover. Just lost the dripple.
Ridiculous foul call on UCONN. What's the spead?
High spead...the highest!
Excuse me?? No foul and Auburn ball????!!!! Oh....okay.
115 points. Damn.
Gonna be tough to beat ‘em if we can’t even score 50 in regulation.
I'll take UCONN Herman for 5 bucks? :)I was so frustrated with U Conn . I took a walk on the beach . Just got back lo and behold they pulled it . Tremendous win for the conference .
I was so frustrated with U Conn . I took a walk on the beach . Just got back lo and behold they pulled it . Tremendous win for the conference .
Seton Hall trailing a dreadful Cal team with 10 min to go in the game. 26% shooting, 14% from 3.
Iowa State took it to Xavier. Tyrese Hunter can flat out play. Quick as hell and great instincts. Would have been nice to get him.
A few of us here really preferred him and a Scooper who taught at St Catherine’s said we were his dream school but unfortunately….He decided ISU was a better fit.
Nice choke job by Hurley and UConn.
Can't forget Uconn played a 2 OT game yesterday followed by a noon start.
Can't forget Uconn played a 2 OT game yesterday followed by a noon start.
This is my first look at Gtown. They're playing zone for some reason.
You live on the west coast?
San Diego State pulls away, 73-56. No field goals for Georgetown in final 9:39 of the game.
Wow! I really thought that Ewing would prove to be the perfect coach for your guys and it seemed at the end of last season he finally turned a corner with the performance in the BET. Your thoughts as to why he keeps coming up short? And if he cannot turn things around this season, ummm, how would it play out in DC? Not trying to kick you while your guys are down. Just asking your thoughts and what you are hearing from other Gtown fans.
Three more out for Xavier (sickness) Hold on to beat Virginia Tech. 59-58.
Three more out for Xavier (sickness) Hold on to beat Virginia Tech. 59-58.Nice for the conference to pick up an ACC win
Three more out for Xavier (sickness) Hold on to beat Virginia Tech. 59-58.#FireBennett
#FireBennett
Georgetown continuing the annual tradition of being a borderline disaster in non-con
Wow! I really thought that Ewing would prove to be the perfect coach for your guys and it seemed at the end of last season he finally turned a corner with the performance in the BET. Your thoughts as to why he keeps coming up short? And if he cannot turn things around this season, ummm, how would it play out in DC? Not trying to kick you while your guys are down. Just asking your thoughts and what you are hearing from other Gtown fans.
Lots of issues. The style of play doesn't mesh with the constant turnover. Twelve transfers in four years, not including Eastern Kentucky transfer Tre King, who was tossed before he even made it to game one. Actually, King would have really helped because Georgetown's visible weakness at center despite three seven footers.
Ewing's contract runs through April 2023--he is 64-62 to date. If things go really south, the school is not ready for what I call the uncomfortable conversation.
There will have to be a conversation, too. It's almost 2022; if a school doesn't intend to fire a coach whose contract expires in April 2023, it pretty much has to extend him. It's very difficult for lame-duck coaches to recruit.
Perhaps Ewing will make it easy on Georgetown by stepping down to "spend time with family" or concentrate on "other pursuits"? IIRC that's what Mullin did at St. John's.
Lots of issues. The style of play doesn't mesh with the constant turnover. Twelve transfers in four years, not including Eastern Kentucky transfer Tre King, who was tossed before he even made it to game one. Actually, King would have really helped because Georgetown's visible weakness at center despite three seven footers.
Ewing's contract runs through April 2023--he is 64-62 to date. If things go really south, the school is not ready for what I call the uncomfortable conversation.
Is Posh still in a boot?
Is Posh still in a boot?
Not exactly a strong close for SUIE. Whew.SUIE terrified to take a shot in the last 5 minutes.
NJIT and St.John's are going to overtime. Wow.
Good lord. BCU leads Seton Hall at halftime.Up 4
Good lord. BCU leads Seton Hall at halftime.
Butler picks up another win. Helps the leagues cause
Beating Saginaw Valley doesn’t help anyoneI know they are D2 but the optics of a win are always good.
I know they are D2 but the optics of a win are always good.
There no good optics beating Saginaw Valley by 11
Why would Butler schedule a D2 school?decent shot to win
Certainly better than losing to Saginaw Valley.
The Dence beat TTU.
Unless I'm forgetting a conference the BEast should be #1 when the NET rankings come out. It's either us or the B12.Big East now 64-15 Non Conference
Big East now 64-15 Non Conference
Cooley & Company really helped The Big East cause by beating Texas Tech
U Conn and Georgetown both win.
Champagne is a terrific offensive player. However, St. John's looks awful defensively and on the glass. It's stubborn for Anderson to keep trapping because Kansas is literally scoring every possession and getting any shot they want.
Agreed Muggsy. I may have spoken too soon. It was a 3 point game at one point. St. John’s is a thick team. MU will have trouble matching their physicality.
Adama Sanogo out “a couple weeks, likely more”. We play UConn in 2 1/2 weeks. Would be big if he’s still out as I think he would eat us up inside.
Unless I'm forgetting a conference the BEast should be #1 when the NET rankings come out. It's either us or the B12.
The Dence is up 11 on URI.Down to 8. Game on CBSSN
Nice to see Mark Aguirre at the DePaul/Loyola game.DePaul once down 23-8, leads by 6 at halftime.
Will be interesting to see how Creighton fares tonight against Iowa State.
We did……but we were both dreaming.
Hoyas hurting the league with all their non conference lossestheir program is a freaking joke. how u go from powerhouse program to this is unreal. they cant give tickets away at this point
X and Ok.St. tied at 48 early in the 2nd half.Awesome Xavier Win For Big East Conference
Awesome Xavier Win For Big East ConferenceWinning road games against Quality Opponents is helpful.
Who besides you refers to PC as “The Dence.”
Cooley & Co.
Most people think PC is Politically Correct. What's the problem with writing The Dence? I didn't coin the phrase.
Most people think PC is Politically Correct. What's the problem with writing The Dence? I didn't coin the phrase.
I didn't realize this would trigger people but I can handle being attacked for no reason.
Most people think PC is Politically Correct. What's the problem with writing The Dence? I didn't coin the phrase.
When has anyone ever called them The Dence? Almost as lame as “Cooley and Company.”
Crazy idea: refer to them as “Providence.” Would you refer to us as “The Quette?”
Would you refer to us as “The Quette?”
Guys, it's a f*cking nickname. Who gives a rat's rump?
Rats rump? Is that a nickname for seton hall?
If our team attacked, the way scoopers attack my innocuous posts, we would never lose a game. :)Always under attack hey?
Always under attack hey?
This must be at least the third or fourth time you claimed to be the victim under attack.
When has anyone ever called them The Dence? Almost as lame as “Cooley and Company.”
Crazy idea: refer to them as “Providence.” Would you refer to us as “The Quette?”
I actually see Quette a lot on social media.
I actually see Quette a lot on social media.
I actually see Quette a lot on social media.
This thread has made me think of this
https://youtu.be/3mQoI_a_toU
This thread has made me think of this
https://youtu.be/3mQoI_a_toU
100%
Gonna go have some long ass rice for dinner tonight
Haha yes.
I’m Gonna make some chicky chicky parm parm tonight.
From what I've seen in the BEast:
1) Nova
2) UCONN
3) The Hall
4) XU
5) The Dence
6) MU
Most people think PC is Politically Correct. What's the problem with writing The Dence? I didn't coin the phrase.
Call them the Friars.
Call them the Friars.
Friars is fine as long as they keep the Dalmation mascot. The friar mascot looks like he just climbed out of a time machine from the Spanish Inquisition.
Call them the Friars.
Who's that?
Can't wait till we kick Provi's arse. Twice.
We are sure to be 'dence-ing then.
Nova Needs to pound the Orange into a pulp
Nova Needs to pound the Orange into a pulp
We are sure to be 'dence-ing then.Agree Provably Dencing
Butler is getting rolled in Norman. Nova needs to wake up vs Syracuse.
Wow....Butler only down 2. They must have read this thread.Butler up one now …..
Nova has taken 23 threes in 15 mins ve Syracuse. 5-23. What's the record for three point attempts in a college game?
Omg. You have gotta be sheeting me!!Lucky ass shot.
Lucky ass shot.I agree with this analysis
Lucky ass shot.
Wow. Man....Butler really deserves this one.
The shots aren't totally falling, but watching Nova attack the Cuse zone is a thing of beauty.
Nova's gonna be a bear for every team in the Big East to beat.
Nothing new there, of course.
I actually think UCONN has the roster to give them probs with Sanogo but it's impossible to bet against Nova.
I certainly think UConn has a chance to beat Nova. We'll see if they actually do.
Was very impressed with Nova's work on the boards vs. Cuse.
The Cuse Nova game is officially a neutral court game . However it was pretty much a home game for Cuse , as their fans were most of the crowd . So an event more impressive win for Nova
Did Bilas just ask If it's "too late to call Jimmy Boeheim, Jimmy Buckets?" Please.
The Cuse Nova game is officially a neutral court game . However it was pretty much a home game for Cuse , as their fans were most of the crowd . So an event more impressive win for Nova
Speaking of neutral, if my math is correct the Big East-Big Twelve Battle has seven games, and the Big 12 has 4 home. So we go 3-4, nothing to feel bad about. Right now it is 2-2. If we can pull off the win tonight, 3-4 will be the minimum.
Edit: I forgot Nova plays at Baylor. Why does the Big 12 get 5 home games while we got 3? Ridiculous.
Your math is incorrect. Ten games. Each conference hosts five.
Wed., Dec. 1 Providence Texas Tech 72–68 Dunkin Donuts Center • Providence, Rhode Island FS1 10,020 Big East (1–0)
Fri., Dec. 3 St. John's No. 8 Kansas 95–75 UBS Arena • Elmont, New York FS1 9,769 Tie (1–1)
Sat., Dec. 4 Creighton No. 19 Iowa State 64–58 CHI Health Center Omaha • Omaha, Nebraska FS1 18,294 Big 12 (2–1)
Sun., Dec. 5 Xavier Oklahoma State 77–71 Gallagher-Iba Arena • Stillwater, Oklahoma ESPN2 13,611 Tie (2–2)
Tue., Dec. 7 Butler Oklahoma 66–62 Lloyd Noble Center • Norman, Oklahoma ESPN2 11,562 Big East (3–2)
Wed., Dec. 8 Marquette Kansas State Bramlage Coliseum • Manhattan, Kansas ESPN2
No. 15 UConn West Virginia WVU Coliseum • Morgantown, West Virginia ESPN2
Thu., Dec. 9 No. 23 Seton Hall No. 7 Texas Prudential Center • Newark, New Jersey FS1
Sun., Dec. 12 No. 6 Villanova No. 2 Baylor Ferrell Center • Waco, Texas ABC
Sat., Dec. 18 Georgetown TCU Capital One Arena • Washington, D.C. FS1
Despite the reported attendance, the crowds at OK St Sunday and OK last night were surprisingly sparse. Wouldn't mind more of that at K St.
Despite the reported attendance, the crowds at OK St Sunday and OK last night were surprisingly sparse. Wouldn't mind more of that at K St.
The numbers above are the size of the arena's, not reported attendance.
Butler/OU, A-8,654
Xavier/OSU, A-7326
Yes, OSU looked to be about 2k in the building. They get terrible attendance over the years.
their program is a freaking joke. how u go from powerhouse program to this is unreal. they cant give tickets away at this pointIt can happen fast.
Your math is incorrect. Ten games. Each conference hosts five.
Wed., Dec. 1 Providence Texas Tech 72–68 Dunkin Donuts Center • Providence, Rhode Island FS1 10,020 Big East (1–0)
Fri., Dec. 3 St. John's No. 8 Kansas 95–75 UBS Arena • Elmont, New York FS1 9,769 Tie (1–1)
Sat., Dec. 4 Creighton No. 19 Iowa State 64–58 CHI Health Center Omaha • Omaha, Nebraska FS1 18,294 Big 12 (2–1)
Sun., Dec. 5 Xavier Oklahoma State 77–71 Gallagher-Iba Arena • Stillwater, Oklahoma ESPN2 13,611 Tie (2–2)
Tue., Dec. 7 Butler Oklahoma 66–62 Lloyd Noble Center • Norman, Oklahoma ESPN2 11,562 Big East (3–2)
Wed., Dec. 8 Marquette Kansas State Bramlage Coliseum • Manhattan, Kansas ESPN2
No. 15 UConn West Virginia WVU Coliseum • Morgantown, West Virginia ESPN2
Thu., Dec. 9 No. 23 Seton Hall No. 7 Texas Prudential Center • Newark, New Jersey FS1
Sun., Dec. 12 No. 6 Villanova No. 2 Baylor Ferrell Center • Waco, Texas ABC
Sat., Dec. 18 Georgetown TCU Capital One Arena • Washington, D.C. FS1
UCONN was just terrible down the stretch. Couldn't buy a bucket.
Mainly because they were jacking threes. Down 1, shoot multiple threes when you’re already 3-18.. That seems like sound strategy.This team isn’t rolling anybody
We should roll the if they don’t get healthy.
It takes about 4 hours to drive from Syracuse to the Garden. It is under two hours from Philadelphia to MSG. I guess Nova fans don't travel as well as 'Cuse fans?
These zebras should never be able to ref another game. This cannot happen with under 4 mins left in a 2 point game. Ever.Surprised that Christian Bishop not getting a lot of minutes
Excellent win for The Hall
These zebras should never be able to ref another game. This cannot happen with under 4 mins left in a 2 point game. Ever.Get a grip Muggsy.
St. John's looks like a stronger, faster, more mature MU. I wonder if they have fans advocating for them to slow down. I wonder if Anderson cares.
Tower, you know damn well there is a difference between playing fast and playing out of control and too fast.
So where is the BEast in conf NET?https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=62385.msg1394373#msg1394373
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=62385.msg1394373#msg1394373
So where is the BEast in conf NET?
Just as everyone expected, DePaul about to go into Freedom Hall and knock off the Cards
Wow. Smart might not be the best 1st year BE coach. I mean, DePaul beat Rutgers, which beat Purdue, so probably DePaul #1 next week.
In the last pre-pandemic season, DePaul was 12-1 with nice wins over Texas Tech, Minnesota, Iowa and Northwestern. They promptly went 1-12 in their next 13 en route to another disaster of a season.
Then last year, they went 5-14.
I'm not saying DePaul will suck again. But I'll believe they'll have a good season when they actually have a good season.
Maybe they will. Maybe this will be the year. We'll see!
I hear ya, but new coach brings about a new era.
Wow. Smart might not be the best 1st year BE coach. I mean, DePaul beat Rutgers, which beat Purdue, so probably DePaul #1 next week.
I know we make fun if transitivity all the time, but the fact that 4 or MUs wins are still ranked higher in Kenpom really irks me
So much of it is because of not laying sufficient beatdowns on those collection of letters schools, your SIUEs or NIUs. Going out tonight and pounding this UCLA squad by 30-40 would help significantly.
So much of it is because of not laying sufficient beatdowns on those collection of letters schools, your SIUEs or NIUs. Going out tonight and pounding this UCLA squad by 30-40 would help significantly.
In last 3 days the Big East has played 10 games and beaten the spread in 8 of those. Limited data but feeling has been BEast is undervalued.
Track met for Creighton and BYU. Creighton up 20.Technically a neural site game as it is in Sioux Fall SD . However I would imagine the place is full of Creighton fans
Wow.
Technically a neural site game as it is in Sioux Fall SD . However I would imagine the place is full of Creighton fansBYU travels as well. 50/50
Man I hope Gtown pulls this off.
Fun game, but this is the same Cuse team that got smoked by Colgate at home.
I know....I just can't stand them. :)
I know....I just can't stand them. :)
Boeheim looks extremely upset! Isn't he the same guy who said the ACC would ne the best conference in history including superior to the old BEast? I'm not sure. . ....is the ACC is better than the WCC this season?
:)
I mean my memory isn’t the greatest but as far as I recall this has to be the best OOC for the Big East since it became a basketball only conference?This must be driving ESPN and the ACC crazy. I thought before the season, and still do, that this is a down year for the BE. To me it speaks volumes about the quality of this conference if these are the results of a down year.
I don’t recall many, or perhaps any, seasons that were better.
Either an MU win or Nova win, along with X and UConn dubs would pretty much solidify a great start ahead of next weeks in conference tip-off.
Bonnies missing a starter. Lofton. Hurts them more than most.
UConn is much deeper.
UConn missing two was better than SBU missing one. And SBU rolled MU.
I mean my memory isn’t the greatest but as far as I recall this has to be the best OOC for the Big East since it became a basketball only conference?
I don’t recall many, or perhaps any, seasons that were better.
Either an MU win or Nova win, along with X and UConn dubs would pretty much solidify a great start ahead of next weeks in conference tip-off.
UCONN needs to take care of SBU.
As far as this bring the best BEast OOC? It very well could be. Although there were two tears where we had two top five teams and three top ten teams during the course of the season. From top to bottom this may be the strongest the league has been ever but I believe we had a year or two where our Conf NET was #1 or #2.
The ACC is a complete disaster. :)
Wow. X is destroying Cincy.
Nova-Baylor beyond ugly so far
I saw this movie last night.
Nova ends with 22% shooting from the floor and the same from 3. Under 40 points for the first time in god knows how long. Baylor is a great defensive team, we know this, but WOW
Wow. I guess I didn't miss much by not catching the Nova game. Seriously?
I mean my memory isn’t the greatest but as far as I recall this has to be the best OOC for the Big East since it became a basketball only conference?
I don’t recall many, or perhaps any, seasons that were better.
Either an MU win or Nova win, along with X and UConn dubs would pretty much solidify a great start ahead of next weeks in conference tip-off.
Freeman-Liberty with 27 points. 9-0 run for DePaul to close the game.
After the timeout that was the play. Dribbling to slow up the court. Not one pass. Flat after the big win over BYU.
That's what they drew up after a time-out with 6+ secs??? Horrible coaching.I can't answer if it's coaching. As players don't do many times what coaches draw up.
I can't answer if it's coaching. As players don't do many times what coaches draw up.
Bad loss for Creighton. And bad coaching.Every once in a while Creighton will lay an egg when it’s not expected .
Pass the ball up the floor. They had 6.2 secs and burned 4 secs dribbling to half-court. It didn't look like McD had anything drawn up to me.
Impressive first half from Xavier. I don't care how bad Morehead St. may be, you have to respect teams that drop the hammer.Solid win for The Hoyas over their cross town rival Howard .
Impressive first half from Xavier. I don't care how bad Morehead St. may be, you have to respect teams that drop the hammer.
The Big East standings on the left side bar are not up to date?
Big East 91-24 Non Conference
Herman, any chance you have that breakdown by quadrants?
X is loaded with talent and have been figuring out how to play together. Even though they were winning earlier in the season, they are playing at a different level the past few weeks. Freemantle isn't even fully back to what he can be yet, but Nunje (Iowa transfer) has found his game after the typical transfer acclimation process we've all seen and added another dimension to an already strong team. An apparent role player putting up 31 and 15 in a rivalry game against Cincy is impressive. They are legit two deep across the board and great defensively.
In terms of weaknesses, they are turnover prone and can have off shooting nights/settle for too many threes. They seem to have figured out, however, that they are better off getting the ball inside too rather than just jacking threes.
It would be a great win if MU can win at X.
Sure, but keep in mind that NET takes awhile to settle:
Q1:
15-16
Q2:
6-5
Q3:
16-2 (CREI loss to ASU and GTWN loss to SC)
Q4:
51-1 (GTWN loss to DART)
Non-D1:
3-0
Overall, we are the second strongest NET conference behind the B12
Will teams still have to forfeit if they're vaccinated and follow proper protocols?
Seton Hall has to cancel their game against Iona this weekend (doubheader with SJU/Pitt at MSG) and their next game at home against St. John's is in doubt. COVID.
Seton Hall has to cancel their game against Iona this weekend (doubheader with SJU/Pitt at MSG) and their next game at home against St. John's is in doubt. COVID.
I'd be surprised if they cancel their game against St. John's since it will count as a conference loss. Unless they really don't have 5 players not in the COVID protocol.
Agreed, and even though I may have wagered that no games would be forfeited, I guess if they have 5 players but would be non-competitive with those players they may just elect to forfeit. But I'm still guessing the SJU game will happen.
FYI, the Big East rule is seven scholarship players are needed to be active to play a game.
If Omicron gets bad enough, I wonder if the Big East will change its Covid-related rules.
Punishing fully vaccinated teams doesn't seem very fair.
If college had the same testing as the pro leagues a lot of games would be canceled. Omicron is highly contagious but Delta is still the major problem as far as hospitalizations and deaths. If we do not get to a point where people realize this is now endemic, and we have to adapt, we're going to never really get through it.
Vaccines will clearly have to be tweaked pretty regularly. Vaccinated people are getting Omicron. That said our obsession with positive cases is silly at this point. It tells us nothing and leads to more fear. We still do not seem to know the zero prevalence rate but obviously a huge number of people who have gotten COVID, and its variants, are asymptomatic. If the goal now is to thwart positive tests in sports leagues versus the rest of society it's not particularly useful. I mean do we really want to get to a point where every person is tested or self-tests every day regardless if they feel sick or not? Should we test our dogs and cats every day?
I think it will become an endemic for the vaccinated...which is all but 15% of adults...and children aren't heavily affected by the disease. I'm not sure the endemic language is wishful thinking versus science. The NY Times referred to it as an endemic in quoting lead doctors/researchers and referenced that for the vaccinated this is may not be any more concerning than the flu.
I would agree that focusing on positives would be "silly" if it weren't for the fact that Wisconsin's hospitals have more Covid patients in them at any time since January and the weekly death tolls are rising. Throughout this pandemic, positives have been a precursor to more bad stuff happening. And that's not good.
And it's not endemic. Too many people are saying that out of wishful thinking rather than actual science.
Truth. Been struggling with that. They're not getting updated through the sports-reference API, and I'm trying to figure out how to force an update. Probably a cache issue.
Interesting news from a NYC sports reporter. It could just be smoke, but who knows with Seton Hall and Kevin Willard:
So from what I’m hearing Seton Hall has enough healthy players to play. BUT they are choosing to not play because of some Covid cases. And they will mark the game as a forfeit to #SJUBB Monday and avoid penalties (ie losing, etc). How is it fair for teams who need these games?
Dumb by the hall.I'm not sure it's necessarily dumb, but if true, it's a really garbage move by them.
But it does beg the question. Do you play the system and forfeit against a team like nova? Where we have a low chance of winning. It wipes a L off.
Wait. I just realized it doesn’t wipe an L off. You still get an L. But I wonder if it gets put in as a 2-0 Loss.
So that looks way better in NET than a 65-52 loss.
Interesting news from a NYC sports reporter. It could just be smoke, but who knows with Seton Hall and Kevin Willard:
So from what I’m hearing Seton Hall has enough healthy players to play. BUT they are choosing to not play because of some Covid cases. And they will mark the game as a forfeit to #SJUBB Monday and avoid penalties (ie losing, etc). How is it fair for teams who need these games?
How can you avoid the penalty of losing when you have to forfeit? Should that be considered a flat out loss?
How can you avoid the penalty of losing when you have to forfeit? Should that be considered a flat out loss?
Any Big East team that has to forfeit due to COVID takes a loss. I'd imagine it's marked officially as a 2-0 loss, which is fine for teams that legitimately can't field a team (7 players minimum).
Seton Hall supposedly has at least 7 players to play, meaning they don't have to forfeit. But let's say for argument that they have only three players out with COVID but those players are Jared Rhoden, Alexis Yetna, and Tyrese Samuel. Seton Hall may decide it's better to take a 2-0 loss to SJU than play them without three of their best players and possibly get blown out. Chances are the committee won't punish teams with COVID issues too harshly, but they will punish a team that gets blown out by a middle of the pack conference team. It helps Seton Hall but hurts St. John's because I doubt the committee would reward them at all for a 2-0 forfeit victory over Seton Hall, damaging their chances of making the tourney.
It damages their chances of making the tourney only if you assume they would have won that game and needed that win as part of their body of work. If you assume they would have lost, it probably helps them marginally (slightly better W/L percentage, lack of a loss in the NET, slightly better BEt seed, etc.).
Any Big East team that has to forfeit due to COVID takes a loss. I'd imagine it's marked officially as a 2-0 loss, which is fine for teams that legitimately can't field a team (7 players minimum).
Seton Hall supposedly has at least 7 players to play, meaning they don't have to forfeit. But let's say for argument that they have only three players out with COVID but those players are Jared Rhoden, Alexis Yetna, and Tyrese Samuel. Seton Hall may decide it's better to take a 2-0 loss to SJU than play them without three of their best players and possibly get blown out. Chances are the committee won't punish teams with COVID issues too harshly, but they will punish a team that gets blown out by a middle of the pack conference team. It helps Seton Hall but hurts St. John's because I doubt the committee would reward them at all for a 2-0 forfeit victory over Seton Hall, damaging their chances of making the tourney.
I am sure Fox isn't pleased that two programs in the NYC area won't be playing a scheduled game. The BE should step in to provide stricter guidelines.
I don't think it's officially cancelled yet. Just Billy's info? Or did I miss something?
Zach Braziller
@NYPost_Brazille
An official announcement from the Big East is coming later today on St. John's-Seton Hall forfeit. Source said nothing has been decided on Thursday's DePaul-Seton Hall game. Both programs have COVID-19 issues. #sjubb #shbb #bigeasthoops
I hate SHU/Willard. The fans I sat by the first year in the Fiserv were absolute clowns too.
Creighton takes Nova behind the woodshed.
Creighton played well, especially on D, but Nova played poorly. Lotsa 1-on-1 play and very bad shooting.
Creighton at home is a very tough team. With their offensive system they can get hot and put points on the board and if they play D like they did tonight they can win big .
Unfortunately they also could turn around and lose to DePaul. That is just the nature of who they are .
They are a fun team to watch though
Whoa.. ..Creighton by 20??
Crazy stuff.
Despite being pretty badly outplayed, Nova was within 2 with 7-8 minutes to go. Then several empty possessions, mostly on 1-on-1 moves and/or bad shots, and Creighton kept scoring inside and out. Just like that, it was up to 15-16 points.
This was a well-earned win by Creighton and a well-earned loss by Nova. It happens.
Does this mean the Big East is gonna be wide-open this season? We'll see!
Boy, if I was a St. John's fan I would be pretty pissed. FS1 is still showing the FIFA game. The least they could do is show the game on FS2.
St. John's better wake up. Purdue is demolishing Butler.
Butler is terrible. Send them back to the A-10
LOL. They can look really bad. And I mean bad.
This would be a monumental meltdown by St. J against a garbage Pitt team.
I’m not sure how losing a three point lead without your all-America star is a meltdown. That said, terrible D not picking up earlier on that last Pitt possession.
I don’t care if Champagnie is out. Short of the entire starting 5 being out with COVID and replaced by the pep band, losing to probably the worst P6 team at home is horrible.
St John's already needs to win the Big East tourney for a NCAA bid and it's not even Christmas.
Laughable overreaction. Not having Champagnie will be factored into today’s loss. 12-6 in BE play will do it, especially with a dearth of quality Power 5 at large candidates.
Big win for Cooley & Company. Beat their local rival which is always a sweet thing .
I just saw the last 5 mins but it looked like brick city for UCONN. Hopefully they shoot like that on Tues. We desperately need that game.
Well, they’re 78th in KenPom and their best win is Monmouth. They’re projected to go 8-12 in league which seems much more likely than 12-6 or 13-7 or 12-8.
They entered today 86th in NET. Brew is pretty close to being right and is so at the moment.
I know prior games don't really matter, but I would have preferred they blew out PC today and came in to the FF feeling confident, as opposed to hungry for a win.
Laughable overreaction. Not having Champagnie will be factored into today’s loss. 12-6 in BE play will do it, especially with a dearth of quality Power 5 at large candidates.
Pitt is horrible. This is a really, really, really bad loss for SJU. Quad 4 loss I believe.
Well, they’re 78th in KenPom and their best win is Monmouth. They’re projected to go 8-12 in league which seems much more likely than 12-6 or 13-7 or 12-8.
They entered today 86th in NET. Brew is pretty close to being right and is so at the moment.
Well then, no reason to play the games. I’ll bet KenPom got today’s game right too, yeah? KenPom has spoken, off to March.
Isn't that pretty close to where Marquette falls in KenPom and NET?
It probably moves to Quad 3 once the ACC schedule lifts up Pitt's numbers.
A loss to Pitt still looks better than a loss to Dartmouth.
Laughable overreaction. Not having Champagnie will be factored into today’s loss. 12-6 in BE play will do it, especially with a dearth of quality Power 5 at large candidates.
On a game-by-game basis, they are projected to win 6 games. Expecting them to double that is simply unrealistic, which is why it's BET or bust.
four Big East teams in this week's poll: SH at 15, Xavier at 18, Providence at 22, Nova at 23. UConn drops out.
I forget, how did the infallible KenPom predict our games against Illinois, Ole Miss, and WVU? How about Nova/Creighton? Hell, they predicted Michigan as the #2 team in the country coming into this season.
The ACC is down, they could only get 3 or 4 bids. The Pac-12 may only get 3 or 4, which opens up more at large spots for the top conference in the country. Plus, we know the committee doesn't want to give at-large bids to non-Power 5 conferences.
KenPom isn’t infallible and he’s the first to admit it. It’s a predictive system of averages. St. John’s can definitely swing either way but it’s also true they have nothing to show right now and wouldn’t sniff the bubble
SJU (with Champaigne) will be a really tough out. Their NC scheduling is pathetic and has done them no favors in prep for conference play. There will be plenty of opportunities for quality wins in the BE. Winning the right games and not losing the right games should let SJU get in with 10 to 12 wins.
I forget, how did the infallible KenPom predict our games against Illinois, Ole Miss, and WVU? How about Nova/Creighton? Hell, they predicted Michigan as the #2 team in the country coming into this season.
DePaul v Creighton game cancelled due to DePaul's COVID-19 problems. This counts as an L for DePaul in conference... which is dumb.
Nova is down 8 to X at the half. Their outside shooting is as bad as ours.
Good.
It's the only thing that makes sense, and the only thing that's fair.
Punishing people for doing nothing wrong is stoopid.
Well, despite the fact that we're in the 11 slot, we're in pretty good company with UConn, Nova and Xavier as the only teams with losses.Yeah. We should try to sugar coat all of our shortcomings by deflecting toward other teams. 11 slot is not acceptable and is mid major territory at best.
Yeah. We should try to sugar coat all of our shortcomings by deflecting toward other teams. 11 slot is not acceptable and is mid major territory at best.
Only losses are to ranked teams
I personally think we need to drop this as some sort of impressive achievement. MU is 1-4 against ranked teams. 7-1 against the rest. UConn wasn't ranked when we played - and the bonnies certainly aren't anymore either, but I'll grant you they were ranked at the time of the game.
2 games into conference season.
Beats 3 of the high major teams in non con
Beats all mid majors we've played.
Willie: THIS TEAM IS MID MAJOR AT BEST!!!!!
St John’s and Seton Hall are now scheduled to play back to back games, 1/22 and 1/24, one at MSG and one at Walsh Gymnasium. MU could end up playing a BE game at the the Al.
I personally think we need to drop this as some sort of impressive achievement. MU is 1-4 against ranked teams. 7-1 against the rest. UConn wasn't ranked when we played - and the bonnies certainly aren't anymore either, but I'll grant you they were ranked at the time of the game.
Glad they are willing to do this and it should have happened with MU and Creighton this week.
travel arrangements likely played a role in the decisions. SJ and SH could take public transit from campus to campus if they have to, CU and MU have to fly. I know MU charters for every game but I don't know what CU does.
Why were you so soft on, and supportive of Wojo for 5-6 years, yet continue to nitpick at this team's accomplishments in Year 1 under Shaka?
That's simple. Wojo came in with no head coaching experience, but proved to be a pretty good recruiter and we all hoped he could learn to coach. That didn't happen unfortunately, but we did need time to see if he could learn.
Shaka comes in as an experienced head coach in his 13th year. We've seen what he *can* do, and I expected him to hit the ground running. So far, it appears he's just doing warm ups.
That's simple. Wojo came in with no head coaching experience, but proved to be a pretty good recruiter and we all hoped he could learn to coach. That didn't happen unfortunately, but we did need time to see if he could learn.
Shaka comes in as an experienced head coach in his 13th year. We've seen what he *can* do, and I expected him to hit the ground running. So far, it appears he's just doing warm ups.
SJU-Depaul. Just played through a media timeout without a play stoppage. SJU, who hasn't played in 20 days and has been unable to hold a team practice in that window, were all gesturing to Anderson that they wanted to be subbed out. Not sure he has 5 subs.
Johnnies up 4 at the half despite being 2 for 18 on layups. That's not COVID rust.
Anybody else salty that Nova couldn't let our 32pt victory ride for even a couple days by clobbering Creighton by 34!?!?
Anybody else salty that Nova couldn't let our 32pt victory ride for even a couple days by clobbering Creighton by 34!?!?
Anybody else salty that Nova couldn't let our 32pt victory ride for even a couple days by clobbering Creighton by 34!?!?
Also, I’m sure Brew will cringe because the committee doesn’t look at conferences, they just take the best at large teams, but it can’t hurt to have a better resume than the other bubble teams inside your conference.
Great stuff.Lot rides on who win and loses are against but I would think that scenario would most likely be NIT
You still of the opinion that 9 conference wins (assuming MU plays them all and is 9-11), plus one win in the BET won’t be enough?
Great stuff.
You still of the opinion that 9 conference wins (assuming MU plays them all and is 9-11), plus one win in the BET won’t be enough?
Anyone else tired of Lavall not knowing when to call it? 5 possession game with less than 90 seconds to go and he’s still fouling. Someone’s going to get hurt with all of these (unnecessarily hard) intentional fouls.
Lavall is my least favorite coach in the Big East. Used to be Willard, but he's earned some grudging respect.Probably won’t have to worry about him for much longer.
The refs in Providence/SJU are pretty damn awful.
Favors SJUs kamikaze style a bit more
The refs in Providence/SJU are pretty damn awful.
Favors SJUs kamikaze style a bit more
SJU playing with a bit more swagger at the moment
You need to change your handle to refpolice
How about “manwith2eyes”
College refs stink and have stunk for a long time - find a new slant
It’s called an observation.
If you’re too dumb to know what that is, consider it a personal problem.
How’s that for a slant
If the refs are bad in most games, is it really an observation ?
I’m watching Purdue/Penn State and UConn/Hall. Just fine.
They have been objectively bad in the Providence game and the announcers have noted it 7 times.
Convenient. Maybe the actually astute observation would be it’s difficult to officiate the Johnnies as their pace and physicality make it difficult to call a smooth game.
You’re making the assumption that it’s just the foul calls that are making it a disaster.
So maybe the astute thing would be actually watch the game or shut up.
You were complaining about the refs in a similar game environment last night #lame
Umm no I wasn’t.
I called out foul disparity last night. One where it was obvious. Where our coach found it obvious and one where Gtown fans found it obvious.
I’m pointing out that this game across the board has been bad. Not 1 team getting screwed in fouls.
For some reason that mentally broke you. And instead of watching the game you made 10 stupid assumptions. On par with your Texas is better than Gonzaga assumption. Hint….watch the games.
Foul disparity does not have direct correlation with game outcomes. Example A last night. We fouled them more because we were aggressive turning them over and scoring easy buckets in transition. Aka we foul more and they foul less.
Hint - keep an eye on Texas. They’re playing very good basketball now. Marcus Carr has come on the last couple games.
The issue with the fouls last night was first half. Second half we got calls and Gtown got calls when they didn’t travel first.
Marcus Carr is not the guy you want leading. So don’t bank on that.
College refs are inconsistent ? Color me shocked.
SHU on a nice run after getting down 9 to Uconn
This game should a wild finish.
UConn should probably fire Danny Hurley after that possession.
Strategy discussion based upon the way the UConn-Hall game ended regulation:
Hurley calls time-out with the ball at midcourt, about 30 seconds to go in a tie game, 22 on the shot clock.
After the inbounds pass, his PG Cole just dribbles the ball near midcourt for 13-14 seconds until there is only 8-9 secs left on the shot clock. You're then in a rush-rush situation and Cole ends up throwing a wild scud that hits the backboard and results in a shot-clock violation. You've left Hall about 8 seconds to score the winner, and Aiken, a very good shooter, gets a wide-open look from 20. Very lucky for UConn, it didn't go in.
Teams do this all the time, not just at the end of games but at the half (or the quarter if women's college, NBA or high school).
Why? What is the advantage in taking a difficult, usually very-low-percentage attempt as the shot-clock is about to expire only to leave your opponent plenty of time to score? Why wouldn't you initiate your offense a lot earlier and try to set up a good look whenever it comes, knowing full well that your opponent is gonna have plenty of time regardless of when you shoot (assuming you score or they get the defensive board)?
It just makes no sense to me to do what UConn did at the end of regulation. Easily could have cost them the game.
The strategy is that time is your opponent in this case. There wasn't enough time for a two for one. Thus, you burn the seconds to leave your opponent less time to run a half court set (if you miss or make). With 8 seconds left let's say, 3-4 of that would just be getting the ball past half court leaving 3-5 to run a rushed play without a time out.
Now, why Hurley didn't have a better play there out of a time out I don't know? The play there should be a drive to the hoop trying to get fouled in my mind versus helter skelter.
Thanks for the explainer, but me no likey.
I could see if you'd only be leaving your opponent 1-2 seconds, or obviously if you get to take the final shot. But leaving your opponent 8-9 seconds, it makes little sense to me to create a stressful shot-clock situation for yourself. Any good college team would be able to get a really good shot in that amount of time, especially with you having to scramble back on defense, and Hall did indeed get a great look.
And you're right, that was a dreadful play by Hurley. Really poor crud by UConn at the end of OT, too.
Hurley seems to be an OK coach, though maybe a little overrated because his first 3 years at UConn were about as successful as Wojo's first 3 years at Marquette. Another "we'll see" situation IMHO.
Yeah I think the strategy was awful.
Teams with good athletes/guards can go end to end in 5 seconds let alone draw a foul before that when D is trying to get back.
Dumb to just burn clock just to do it when there’s still gonna be 7-8 seconds left.
Thanks for the explainer, but me no likey.
I could see if you'd only be leaving your opponent 1-2 seconds, or obviously if you get to take the final shot. But leaving your opponent 8-9 seconds, it makes little sense to me to create a stressful shot-clock situation for yourself. Any good college team would be able to get a really good shot in that amount of time, especially with you having to scramble back on defense, and Hall did indeed get a great look.
And you're right, that was a dreadful play by Hurley. Really poor crud by UConn at the end of OT, too.
Hurley seems to be an OK coach, though maybe a little overrated because his first 3 years at UConn were about as successful as Wojo's first 3 years at Marquette. Another "we'll see" situation IMHO.
Foul disparity does not have direct correlation with game outcomes. Example A last night. We fouled them more because we were aggressive turning them over and scoring easy buckets in transition. Aka we foul more and they foul less.
Hint - keep an eye on Texas. They’re playing very good basketball now. Marcus Carr has come on the last couple games.
Second hint - don’t keep an eye on Texas
Entertaining game in a chaotically ugly way
Whichever team settles down on their open shots/lay ups first wins that one.
Nova is very well coached as always but neither team looks unbeatable.
Didn't look like a foul there on St. J.
In the final 16 minutes of the game, fouls were 17 to 2 in favor of UConn.
Anyone else feel like todays SH at DePaul game is a possible upset brewing?
Odd start time at 4 and seems like a trap game for SH via the look ahead to Saturday. Also, DePaul is hungry for a win and should be motivated.
Finally, BLUE BLUE!!
Anyone else feel like todays SH at DePaul game is a possible upset brewing?
Odd start time at 4 and seems like a trap game for SH via the look ahead to Saturday. Also, DePaul is hungry for a win and should be motivated.
Finally, BLUE BLUE!!
Only if DePaul PLAYS HARD for 40 minutes.They will need to communicate with each other.
Only if DePaul PLAYS HARD for 40 minutes.And maybe if Stubblefield does tell the opposing team what defense DePaul will be playing each possession
Quadruple overtime would be nice.
DePaul has an excellent chance if Stubblefield uses a red marker to write TOUGHNESS, especially if he underlines it and adds 3 or 4 exclamation points.
A look at the BEast standings reinforces what most of us felt going in:
Nova is the king, as usual ... Butler, Georgetown and DePaul are the dregs ... And everybody else is in the vast middle, scrapping for a top-5 finish and the NCAA bid that goes with it.
I guess one could view Providence as a cut above, but let's see in a few weeks. They're coming off the 100-point loss to us and a tough home win vs. StJ.
The biggest surprises IMHO have been UConn being not quite as good as expected ... and us being a little better than expected.
The next 3 weeks will determine whether Marquette is closer to the top, bottom or middle of the vast middle.
DePaul is up on Seton Hall 49-32 on FS1
Ummmm.
Plenty of time for DePaul to DePaul things
So you think that at the end of the game they'll say they BLUE it?
(https://c.tenor.com/LZLDk7ploJwAAAAM/boo-disapprove.gif)
Apparently Stubbefield yelling at his players did not result in them quitting. They seem to be playing hard despite their coach not being nice. Blue must be working well tonight.
Plenty of time for DePaul to DePaul things
Maybe they ran a special blue blue blue.
DePaul might be the dumbest team in the landUp 4 and attempting to block the 3-point shooter as time expires, begging for a potential 4-point play. So dumb.
DePaul might be the dumbest team in the land
Apparently Stubbefield yelling at his players did not result in them quitting. They seem to be playing hard despite their coach not being nice. Blue must be working well tonight.
Gtown and Butler are pathetically bad this year.
Ewing won't be back. Wojo to G'Town?
Wojo to Utah?
Gastown?
I could see that. Who gets the Georgetown gig?
I am talking NBA with Quin.
I am talking NBA with Quin.
Wojo to Utah?
DePaul might be the dumbest team in the land
Butler blows.Yes it is cruel to the viewers
And Georgetown is playing St. John’s on national TV later this afternoon. That seems cruel
SJU defense is squashing the Hoyas right now.The Johnnies have a talent advantage in this game .
Johnnies starting to pull away from Georgetown up 12.
It won’t happen, but they could go winless in conference
Georgetown is terrible.
Looked at KenPom page and they’re underdogs in every Big East game this year. They’re 140th in KenPom behind Delaware and Morehead State and Colgate. It won’t happen, but they could go winless in conference
Johnnies up 43-32 half
I am surprised that in the easy transfer era that Ewing was not able to stock the team with some competitive players .
I was in the "we probably won't win all the games we're supposed to" camp, but I would be surprised -- and more than a little disappointed -- if we don't go 6-0 against Georgetown, Butler and DePaul.
St. John's is tougher, but we might never have to play them at their place this season, and I like us beating 'em at home.
They’ve had some covid issues - BUT…They’re horrible even at full strength. I can’t believe the administration will continue to put up with this not offend someone within the Thompson circle.
Ewing oversees a mass exodus of talent every other year or so. I have no faith that he is any more capable of using the new transfer rules any more effectively than the old rules or high school recruiting. Kids don't want to go there under him and those that do jump ship fast. He is in year 5 and will likely end it with an overall losing record and a sub .300 record in the Big East overall. For Georgetown's sake I hope he retires.
Ewing oversees a mass exodus of talent every other year or so. I have no faith that he is any more capable of using the new transfer rules any more effectively than the old rules or high school recruiting. Kids don't want to go there under him and those that do jump ship fast. He is in year 5 and will likely end it with an overall losing record and a sub .300 record in the Big East overall. For Georgetown's sake I hope he retires.
Georgetown is terrible.
Looked at KenPom page and they’re underdogs in every Big East game this year. They’re 140th in KenPom behind Delaware and Morehead State and Colgate. It won’t happen, but they could go winless in conference
Another problem with Georgetown is attendance. It was a ghost town at the MU game, with more cheering for MU than for the home team. Yes, the students were on break. Yes, the virus has not been shut down, but hey are just not selling ducats with a team this poor. I'm sure if you look in the box, they will have reported all the season ticket holders (God love 'em) as being present, but to call the crowd (a misnomer in itself) sparse would be very kind. You have to wonder about the financial aspect of playing in a pro arena and how long they will be able to tolerate/afford such an arrangement. Tough times for one of the rocks of the old BE.
Another problem with Georgetown is attendance. It was a ghost town at the MU game, with more cheering for MU than for the home team. Yes, the students were on break. Yes, the virus has not been shut down, but hey are just not selling ducats with a team this poor. I'm sure if you look in the box, they will have reported all the season ticket holders (God love 'em) as being present, but to call the crowd (a misnomer in itself) sparse would be very kind. You have to wonder about the financial aspect of playing in a pro arena and how long they will be able to tolerate/afford such an arrangement. Tough times for one of the rocks of the old BE.
I'm not really sure what other choice they have as far as the arena goes. Their on-campus facility (McDonough Gymnasium) has a 2,200 capacity max and is 70 years old. Even with their poor attendance I'm sure they have more season ticket holders than that, at least most years. They have nowhere to build on-campus. When they built their practice facility in 2016 they had to repurpose a parking lot. Plus their neighborhood has no appetite for an on-campus arena.
I think DFW Hoya said in another thread that attendance now averages about 5,600 vs. about 11,000 ten years ago. Ewing well may already have his exit plan in place for the end of the season and then he and Georgetown would avoid a mutually embarrassing divorce. If he does not go on his own, Georgetown is simply going to choose between displacing DePaul as perennial cellar dweller or firing Ewing.I would imagine Ewing could easily get another NBA assistant job.
Local media starting to turn on Butler
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2022/01/16/butler-bulldogs-basketball-routed-villanova-big-east-laugher/9154362002/
Johnnies are going to be a tough opponent for MU. Especially if the game is at Carnesecca Arena
Sure, if stating facts about a horrible team is an example of "turning on" them.There were a few other articles behind a pay wall a bit more venomous . I just posted the accessible one.
Agree, and that's why I am hoping the road game with them is not rescheduled. Thet are fluky and can beat Nova one week and then lose their next game with Georgetown. In other words, too much potential downside if they beat us as they may not end up with a very good record at the end of the season. I would rather see us play an OOC game in lieu of a rescheduled game in NY. Maybe VCU in Milwaukee? Actually, I would like a H&H with UVA so I could drive about one hour North and be at the game.
Another problem with Georgetown is attendance. It was a ghost town at the MU game, with more cheering for MU than for the home team.
Sample thought process at The Georgetown Message Board
https://hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/32261/current-state-hoya-basketball-program
I’m reading Dana O’Neill’s book on The Big East and Georgetown was like that before Big John there.
So similar to perceptions of MU fans, both recently (with Wojo) and when honoring their past (like Al).
I hope that the G'town admin realizes the value of serious investment, even if it requires change. The BEast needs Georgetown to be a solid team, consistently.
Why? They don’t carry any more cache than anyone else. This isn’t the 80’s, they’re just another team.
Because like it or not national perception will always be better for the big east as a top conference if the historical powers do well. I'd wager Us and GTown doing better would be much better for BE Publicity than Creighton and Butler with the same success
Agree about the historical powers but let's go a step further. The Big 12 continues to be the conference that everyone looks to as an example of top to bottom strength. Every conference seems to have a DePaul but when you have too many DePauls, it really hurts the conference. Case in point (mid majors): the A10 has SBU, VCU, Davidson, and St. Louis but look at the bottom teams of their conference. They weaken the A10 overall. The best thing for the BE is to have strong teams top to bottom.
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 17,2022
New Old
3 3 Villanova
15 15 UConn
16 16 Xavier
29 30 Seton Hall
33 33 Providence
40 41 Marquette
56 55 Creighton
97 97 St. John's
99 98 DePaul
141 146 Butler
212 211 Georgetown
Steve Lavin just called Shaka his early favorite for BECoY during the UConn v Butler telecast (UConn up 14 before half)
A lot of nice praise by the announcers but methinks he should save that speak for another few weeks…
UConn waxing Butler. Butler is bad and their recruiting is poor heading into 2022. Might be time for a reboot
U-Conn picking up momentum with a couple of wins in a row. They next play Butler at Butler on Thursday.
UConn waxing Butler. Butler is bad and their recruiting is poor heading into 2022. Might be time for a reboot
Yep, seems like he gawne.
I know it would be a massive step down, but isn’t he a Milwaukee guy? Or was he just at UWM?
Yep, seems like he gawne.But wait..they can't fire Jordan. Who are they going to hire? Butler will feel terrible when Jordan wins a National Championship somewhere else. Wins don't matter.
I know it would be a massive step down, but isn’t he a Milwaukee guy? Or was he just at UWM?
Seems like the type of guy that would be great on Shakas staff
But wait..they can't fire Jordan. Who are they going to hire? Butler will feel terrible when Jordan wins a National Championship somewhere else. Wins don't matter.
But wait..they can't fire Jordan. Who are they going to hire? Butler will feel terrible when Jordan wins a National Championship somewhere else. Wins don't matter.
the big question is if Butler will go outside of the family for the next hire.
If Barry Collier is still their athletic director when Jordan is replaced, my guess is they will hire a guy with Butler connections.
And that's even if Jordan is replaced this year. Jordan played for Collier so the personal connection runs deep.
If they can afford him, he might be outside their family, but Chris Mack could be really interesting. Would certainly amp up the rivalry with Xavier.Mack would be interested in leaving Louisville for Butler?
Mack would be interested in leaving Louisville for Butler?
Mack would be interested in leaving Louisville for Butler?
there are currently $4 million reasons Mack would stay at Louisville and $4.5 million more Butler would not make a run at home.
Similar reasons to why people thought Marquette wouldn't make a run at Shaka. If Louisville is happy to be rid of him and Mack is happy to get a fresh start, I could see him making this type of move in the offseason. Still not convinced Butler would go away from someone schooled in The Butler Way, but things like this have a tendency to work themselves out when all the parties have a motivation to make it so.
As far as I'm aware he just coached UWM for a year. He's from Michigan and went to school at Butler. He's been an AC at Butler, Iowa, and Michigan. So a midwest guy, but not a Milwaukee one.His mother lives in Milwaukee.
That would be shortsighted on Collier’s part. Basketball is the sport that put Butler on the map. I’m not dismissing what you’re saying and it would be a difficult decision but they’re getting lapped right nowA little early to suggest the hot seat in Indianapolis.
Creighton wins by 23. St. John’s just can’t get out of their own way.
Flying into Omaha . Staying in The Hilton across the street from the Creighton game . If I get in on time, I may try to watch the second half of the game live.Got to the Hotel last three minutes of the game. Another incredible crowd at Creighton. These games are a big social event in Omaha.
Heartbreak hotel for DePaul.
Nice camera angle to finish the game.
Got to the Hotel last three minutes of the game. Another incredible crowd at Creighton. These games are a big social event in Omaha.
Having grown up in Omaha I can tell you it’s a BIG sports town. They sell out everything and anything. HS wrestling, Olympic qualifiers, college World Series, college soccer etc. you name it, it’ll draw a big crowd.
Nice camera angle to finish the game.It was the same angle as always, some guy had it's arms in the way. Not sure how that hasn't happened before. Odd.
It was the same angle as always, some guy had it's arms in the way. Not sure how that hasn't happened before. Odd.
It was the same angle as always, some guy had it's arms in the way. Not sure how that hasn't happened before. Odd.
It happened during the MU game at Depaul two years ago. Not in any big moments, but it was noticable.
How is UConn only a 7.5-point favorite at Butler?
Loss in arbitration really hurt their efficiency numbers.
How is UConn only a 7.5-point favorite at Butler?
Re: Georgetown, not a good sign to hit 13 threes in a game and still lose by eight.
Next four games:
Villanova
at UConn
at Butler
Seton Hall
Will the Butler job be open for 22-23?
Yup
I would like to apply. I led my made up college to multiple tournament victories and final 4’s in NCAA college basketball 2009 for play station.
Who are the actual candidates?
Any butler alum who has a sub .500 career based on their last hire. I never understood hiring Jordan
I would like to apply. I led my made up college to multiple tournament victories and final 4’s in NCAA college basketball 2009 for play station.
You mean hiring a guy with only one years head coaching experience where his team stunk but they made a miraculous run in the conference tournament doesn’t make sense ?!
I was shocked too
I don’t understand the obsession with the “keep it in the family” process of Georgetown and Butler.
If DWade wants to coach after Shaka, who at the University has the balls to say no?
Who are the actual candidates?
How is UConn only a 7.5-point favorite at Butler?
If DWade wants to coach after Shaka, who at the University has the balls to say no?
The program never gave Zaire anymore than a token look. Wardle didn’t even get an interview.
It’s not that hard. Self-restricting your candidate pool is foolish.
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of "in the family" candidates at least got a courtesy interview.
I wouldn't assume Wardle didn't get an interview. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of "in the family" candidates at least got a courtesy interview.
Well, Butler is beating them by four at the half.
I don’t understand the obsession with the “keep it in the family” process of Georgetown and Butler.
I don’t understand the obsession with the “keep it in the family” process of Georgetown and Butler.
Well until Jordan, it worked great. Collier to Matta to Lickliter to Stevens to Holtmann was great and got them from the MCC to the Big East. And Jordan was hired on the strength of his Michigan assistant work. He was a hot name before he ever went to UWM, that year did nothing to make his candidacy any more or less appealing. He’s been a dud, but it wasn’t a broken formula solely because of that.
GTown is a different story. The fact that Ewing spent 15 years on an NBA bench, after a HOF career, without getting a HC gig should have been a red flag as it was
Well until Jordan, it worked great. Collier to Matta to Lickliter to Stevens to Holtmann was great and got them from the MCC to the Big East. And Jordan was hired on the strength of his Michigan assistant work. He was a hot name before he ever went to UWM, that year did nothing to make his candidacy any more or less appealing. He’s been a dud, but it wasn’t a broken formula solely because of that.
GTown is a different story. The fact that Ewing spent 15 years on an NBA bench, after a HOF career, without getting a HC gig should have been a red flag as it was
i understand your point, but a courtesy interview isn’t the same as exclusively hiring from within the family while ignoring potentially more qualified applicants.
You mean hiring a guy with only one years head coaching experience where his team stunk but they made a miraculous run in the conference tournament doesn’t make sense ?!
I don’t understand the obsession with the “keep it in the family” process of Georgetown and Butler.
Jordan was in the mix when they hired Brandon Miller. He was a longtime assistant at Iowa and under Belein at Michigan. He played for their current AD.
People complain that Marquette doesn't have consistent success through coaching changes. Well part of that is because we haven't built that type of program. Keeping it in "the family" makes sense it until it doesn't. Before Jordan, they have had continued success this way, so why change the model?
Jordan was in the mix when they hired Brandon Miller. He was a longtime assistant at Iowa and under Belein at Michigan. He played for their current AD.
People complain that Marquette doesn't have consistent success through coaching changes. Well part of that is because we haven't built that type of program. Keeping it in "the family" makes sense it until it doesn't. Before Jordan, they have had continued success this way, so why change the model?
Jordan was in the mix when they hired Brandon Miller. He was a longtime assistant at Iowa and under Belein at Michigan. He played for their current AD.
People complain that Marquette doesn't have consistent success through coaching changes. Well part of that is because we haven't built that type of program. Keeping it in "the family" makes sense it until it doesn't. Before Jordan, they have had continued success this way, so why change the model?
Yeah, I get that, but when "it doesn't"...the alumnus coach has the upper hand regarding the prospect of a divorce. The Mullin fiasco provided a poster boy for the case for being leery of hiring an alumnus coach. And with at least one, probably two more alumni BE coaches who need to go, it could get messy.
I think the Mullin issue was not that he was simply an alum, but an alum who is their greatest player of all time. Similar to Thompson at Georgetown.
It would be like Marquette trying to fire Dwyane Wade as an unsuccessful coach. But if the unsuccessful coach was Brian Wardle? I doubt anyone would care that he's an alum.
I think the biggest issue is if Collier wants to get rid of a guy he obviously has a close relationship with. That to me is the sticking point more than anything.
Thompson played at Providence.
Thompson played at Providence.
Or did Thompson play at princeton?
Big John played at Providence. JT III played at Princeton
Particularly for Butler - “In the family” was a reasonable decision making process when they were competing in the Horizon and A10.
At this point, it’s just small time thinking. If they want to elevate their program out of BE mediocrity, it would be foolish to only consider a very limited base of applicants.
What constitutes "in the family?" Brad Stevens did not attend Butler. He went to DePauw. His first connection with Butler, I believe, was as a volunteer assistant. He left a job in the corporate world to take that position. He was made a paid assistant the next year and the head coach several years later. Pretty amazing arc to where he is now.
What constitutes "in the family?" Brad Stevens did not attend Butler. He went to DePauw. His first connection with Butler, I believe, was as a volunteer assistant. He left a job in the corporate world to take that position. He was made a paid assistant the next year and the head coach several years later. Pretty amazing arc to where he is now.
What constitutes "in the family?" Brad Stevens did not attend Butler. He went to DePauw. His first connection with Butler, I believe, was as a volunteer assistant. He left a job in the corporate world to take that position. He was made a paid assistant the next year and the head coach several years later. Pretty amazing arc to where he is now.
Big John played at Providence. JT III played at Princeton
Yea, I think just an affiliation with the Butler program. Before what Matta/Lickliter/Stevens created, Butler was a nice little mid major with distant history. So bringing in alums from the program to coach made sense. Stevens and Holtmann were attracted to the program otherwise.
I would be shocked if the next coach doesn't have a Butler connection. Especially as long as Collier is AD. And I don't necessarily think thats a bad thing. Its not a rotten tree despite a few down years.
I think Ryan Pedon gets a LONG look. I know Miami wanted him for their vacancy a few years back but he followed Holtmann to OSU thinking he could shoot higher and I think he'd be very interested
Big John was also a somewhat legend (depending on definition) as a player: All American, NBA, two time world champion. Which I thought Fluff was referring.JT III had a solid coaching record at Princeton. Moved up to Georgetown and did well. Georgetown fan base could not tolerate two bad years and he got the boot. Be careful what you wish for.
Lil' John was neither although I think GU screwed him as a coach (and themselves).
I have no idea what Seton Hall does on offense. They are so sloppy
Looks like Aiken is out with a concussion today. Reports are saying he got it from Elliot’s elbow.
Nova struggling with Georgetown in DC. Down 3 at the halfCan’t have our win over Nova get debased
Can’t have our win over Nova get debased
Can’t have our win over Nova get debased
What in the world is going on with Nova Herman? Did we destroy their will?
Our win demotivated jay wright
St John's vs Seton Hall is so out of control, it's not even funny! Terrible basketballSt. Johns is always so. I've hated their disorganized playground ball style.
St. Johns is always so. I've hated their disorganized playground ball style.
After MU's first few games of sloppily flying around I was worried we would be another StJ, but fortunately Shaka has them playing a whole lot better.
Why wouldn’t we want Georgetown? At this point we might as well just win the Big East. Nova losing helps that.
MU's future is bright. And we may have the highest March/April ceiling than any team in the BEast. This is just my totally unbiased opinion right now.
I agree the future is bright, but you might have to have 3 new starters next year, which comes to a rebuilding year. The 5 real freshman will have to take a big jump. If Lewis leaves, will need to find a scoring big to come in. Not that easy.
St. John’s is the same team year-in, year-out. It's incredible
I agree the future is bright, but you might have to have 3 new starters next year, which comes to a rebuilding year. The 5 real freshman will have to take a big jump. If Lewis leaves, will need to find a scoring big to come in. Not that easy.
Lewis comebacks then they would be very good. They have enough guards for one to step up. Elliott would be nice to play as well. Still would need one big as both Oso and Itejere seem very skinny. Oso is very quick, if he can learn to shoot a 15 footer would help.
BC, I think MU picks up an impact transfer. Additionally I expect JLew to be back although it's probably 65/35. Most importantly, I fully believe our returning guys will come back significantly improved.
Lewis comebacks then they would be very good. They have enough guards for one to step up. Elliott would be nice to play as well. Still would need one big as both Oso and Itejere seem very skinny. Oso is very quick, if he can learn to shoot a 15 footer would help.Having your 5 take 15-foot jump shots is incredibly inefficient. Any opposing coach would be thrilled for this to be part of your strategy.
Creighton up against DePaul tied 40-38 10:22 left
Creighton up against DePaul tied 40-38 10:22 leftHerman you ok?
Herman you ok?Correction Noted 8-)
I like how Steven Crowl plays, how about Frank Kaminsky, I am only asking for a center that can turn and shoot a 15 footer, from the free throw line! Is that asking to much. Can not remember the last time MU had a player do that. I know one, Maurice Lucas and Jae Crowder, any others.
What is with Nova and Providence both going with gold letters on white jerseys? It's so meh
Cooley & Company had a close game versus Butler . Not sure if Butler is improving or The Friars were lethargic .
Butler is terrible
Cooley & Company had a close game versus Butler . Not sure if Butler is improving or The Friars were lethargic .
Agreed. Butler is less talented than Georgetown and DePaul, but slightly better than Georgetown because Jordan isn't quite as inept as Ewing.
Ewing can coach but it's a matter of program management - too much turnover and not enough consistency. It's what has bedeviled St. John's for most of the past two decades. When was the last four year player you can name that played for the Redmen?
Davante and Ellenson could both make 15-footers.
I will say that your undue worries about next season give the board a nice break from your undue worries about this season, so thanks!
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33138817/why-georgetown-return-glory-failed-launch-patrick-ewing
Here you go Hoya......
DePaul battling hard at Nova.
Villanova 67 DePaul 43
The Germans battled hard in two world wars.The original post reference was made at the WWII equivalent of early 1940
I'm not sure he's damaged goods, but I think he is going to have to work his way back up to get to the BE level. I think the idea that he would be a no-brainer for a place like Butler or Georgetown is inaccurate.
I'm not sure he's damaged goods, but I think he is going to have to work his way back up to get to the BE level. I think the idea that he would be a no-brainer for a place like Butler or Georgetown is inaccurate.
If Butler parts way ways with Jordan, Mack is a logical choice. If he doesn't take a year off.
Mack certainly would make sense, and he got his start with Thad Matta, albeit at Xavier, so he does have ties to the Butler coaching tree. John Groce, Jeff Boals, or maybe even Archie Miller would also make some sense. Could even call Micah Shrewsberry, who might be in the Big 10, but probably at the league's worst job.
Nebraska might give PSU a run for that title
If Butler parts way ways with Jordan, Mack is a logical choice. If he doesn't take a year off.I thought Mack looked like sht in his recent press conferences. A year off might be the right call.
Mack certainly would make sense, and he got his start with Thad Matta, albeit at Xavier, so he does have ties to the Butler coaching tree. John Groce, Jeff Boals, or maybe even Archie Miller would also make some sense. Could even call Micah Shrewsberry, who might be in the Big 10, but probably at the league's worst job.
Not sure Butler is going to go for a retread. Still think they try to poach up-and-comers--ideally those that have Butler connections as long as their AD is there. There are good options that check both boxes like Nored or Ryan Pedon.
Otherwise I expect they'll go after Medved, Gates, DeVries or someone else that is the coach du jour.
Do we have a preference who wins between X and PC?
PC so we aren’t getting them after a loss?
X to knock PC down the standings?
Butler poleaxing Creighton in Omaha.
The Dence up 4 over X with 7:07 left
Still embarrassing but not in Omaha
Providence daggerSmooth shot.
If Butler parts way ways with Jordan, Mack is a logical choice. If he doesn't take a year off.
Providence is having a month to remember. Everything is going Ed Cooley's way.
Louisville is a dumpster fire right now. Wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole. Aren't they still under and ongoing NCAA investigation
Louisville is a dumpster fire right now. Wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole. Aren't they still under and ongoing NCAA investigation
Hmmm... I think CTC's days an an in-demand coach are going to go away after his UGa gig.
Right. But I don't think he would be a good choice either. His years as an energetic program builder like he was at MU were over 20 years ago. And its clearly not really working at Georgia.
I just don't think he would be good there at all even if it did happen.
I say this without knowing any of the personalities involved, but I would seriously look at Bellarmine's Scott Davenport as head coach and then throw a ton of money at Kenny Payne to be associate head coach. Bellarmine plays a fun, up-tempo offense and Payne can recruit. Both are alums.
Davenport is an interesting one, with UL roots. I just was watching video of his offensive concepts (“A Team Who Doesn’t Dribble), but he is 64 and I’d think the UL faithful would be disappointed.
I know Ville has a bit of a black eye right now, but I think they would still riot if they got essentially a D2 coach in his mid 60s.
Honestly, only kind of joking, what about Sean Miller?
Otherwise maybe they throw a bag at Matt McMahon down the road at Murray St?
Cooley feels like the most likely Big East coach to leave for greener pastures after this year. Riding a very old team with some good luck. He also seems like a really nice dude who would kill it in an interview.
Cooley turned down a Michigan interview. He is not leaving Providence.
Cooley feels like the most likely Big East coach to leave for greener pastures after this year. Riding a very old team with some good luck. He also seems like a really nice dude who would kill it in an interview.
Cooley or Willard to Maryland makes a lot more sense to me than Louisville.
Is Willard really that big of a draw to other schools? I mean he’s been at Seton Hall 12 years, made 4 tournaments (would have been 5 if not for Covid), and won a single tournament game in those 12 years. That’s pretty wojoesque if you ask me. They’ve had some decent teams in recent years I guess, but I’m just not sure.
Is Willard really that big of a draw to other schools? I mean he’s been at Seton Hall 12 years, made 4 tournaments (would have been 5 if not for Covid), and won a single tournament game in those 12 years. That’s pretty wojoesque if you ask me. They’ve had some decent teams in recent years I guess, but I’m just not sure.
Before that, no one had any consistent success there since PJ Carlesimo. It's a tough job and I think people acknowledge that. Honestly, I've come to have a grudging respect for Willard. He's recruited guys that play tough and generally compete every night. I can see why him and Cooley would be attractive candidates under the "if they did THAT with those resources, what would they do with ours?"
Before that, no one had any consistent success there since PJ Carlesimo. It's a tough job and I think people acknowledge that. Honestly, I've come to have a grudging respect for Willard. He's recruited guys that play tough and generally compete every night. I can see why him and Cooley would be attractive candidates under the "if they did THAT with those resources, what would they do with ours?"I agree with this. Look at Beilein as an example. Upper level BE coach who did well at an upper level B10 school. He wasn't Calhoun or Boeheim good and UofM is not a blue blood but neither is Maryland or UofL.
Bruce Pearl
Nah, eff Willard
I agree that Cooley would not take the job if they begged him. He is smarter than that and has his priorities in the right order judging from comments I have seen him make.
I'd think Haynes would be a more likely candidate for the Maryland job than Willard.
And again, I don't think Cooley is going anywhere. He is living his dream.
Cooley is a very good coach and he’s having an outstanding (and very lucky) season. I’m sure he’s happy. But I wouldn’t be shocked if coaching at Providence College falls a smidge short of living his dream.
Given that he turned down Michigan and loves the BEast, I dunno.
Do we know if he turned then down after getting an offer or before?
Creighton is thumping X 36-19.
Creighton is thumping X 36-19.
First pts at the 12:30 mark - free throws.No matta
29-2 for Xavier to start the half.
Xavier on a 29-2 run. Yikes.
Creighton scoop is probably melting down.
Their comments about Freemantle look oddly familiar.LOL
Creighton scoop is probably melting down.
I know everyone is focused on this huge X comeback right now, but Patrick Ewing was just asked why they stopped pressing Butler when it was working. His response was "We pressed and we got back into the game...I didn't think it was necessary to continue to press at that point." What?
Creighton scoop is probably melting down.#FireGreg
I know everyone is focused on this huge X comeback right now, but Patrick Ewing was just asked why they stopped pressing Butler when it was working. His response was "We pressed and we got back into the game...I didn't think it was necessary to continue to press at that point." What?
Last 8 minutes of the Butler-Georgetown game:
Butler 3-11 (1-5 from three), 3 turnovers
Georgetown: 2-8 (0-5 from three), 3 turnovers
Total number of points: Butler 9, Georgetown 6.
Tremendous rally by X . Stopped their losing streak on the road at Creighton , which is never easy.
Looked easyVery
UConn broke in the first half at the Wintrust.
I’d like to see DePaul win this unless someone tells me that it’s better for Marquette otherwise
For the league, the top-7 winning and the bottom-4 losing is best to maximize bids. But for Marquette, Nova, UConn, and Providence taking losses is best to give us a shot at the league title and a top-3 NCAA seed.
It's kind of wild to seriously type that.
UCONN with 22pts at the half? At home?The results of any particular Creighton game are an enigma wrapped in a riddle.
UCONN with 22pts at the half? At home?
Plenty of seats at the Seton Hall-Georgetown game.
Cooley & Company in a battle against The Johnnies.
Who should I root for Herman?Root for Cooley & Company
Root for Cooley & Company
at what point does g town move to a smaller venue? just laughable to play in front of a 80% empty us celluar areana. even big games on the weekend this year they get 65% full maybe. waste of money.
It's sad. Georgetown was supposed to help carry the reconstituted Big East. But they've sucked for a few years now and can't give tickets away.
The Gtown team that had just lost to FGCU was supposed to carry the conference? The one that had only won three regular season titles since 1997? Just goes to show we don’t need them to be good for the conference to be elite. It’s not 1984 anymore.
But they’re elite in Mens Soccer, so there’s that.
A scene from the second half:
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Can't--no place to go. On-campus is obsolete (built 1951, never renovated), no available arenas bigger than 5K in the area outside of George Mason and Univ. of Maryland.
Announced attendance tonight: 3,462. If you saw it on TV, you know better.
It makes me feel a little bad for saying that I'm still not overly impressed with the job Hurley has done at UConn. I'm NOT saying he's been bad or anything; I just thought he'd have the program a little further along. We'll see how the rest of his 4th season goes, and then beyond.I think he's been doing pretty well. The two years before he arrived, they were under 500 in the AAC. Since Hurley arrived:
I think he's been doing pretty well. The two years before he arrived, they were under 500 in the AAC. Since Hurley arrived:
16-17 AAC
19-12 AAC
15-8 Big East Lost 1st rd NCAA
15-5 With a highest ranking of 15
I think with Hurley there,they will be in the Top 3 or 4 in the league every year.
I think he's been doing pretty well. The two years before he arrived, they were under 500 in the AAC. Since Hurley arrived:
16-17 AAC
19-12 AAC
15-8 Big East Lost 1st rd NCAA
15-5 With a highest ranking of 15
I think with Hurley there,they will be in the Top 3 or 4 in the league every year.
This year his team is underachieving. I think they have the most overall talent in the BEast and looked like a F4 team early in the season.
I mean, what do you base that on? They were ranked 21st to start the season by KenPom and are currently ranked 19th. They were picked to finish second in conference and are currently 3rd. They had a monster double OT win against Auburn, but that was immediately followed by a loss to Michigan State, an OT victory against VCU, and a single digit victory against mighty Maryland Eastern Shore. Prior to the Auburn game they had beaten up on 4 cupcakes. Outside that Auburn game, when did they look final four worthy?
Hurley certainly isn't overperforming this season but I think he's got UConn right where they were projected to be. Overall, I think he's done a good job of building UConn from the crater that Ollie left it in.
Having watched them vs Auburn and Mich St. They blew the Mich St. game but you could see their talent level in Nov.It's still there. Until the Creighton game, UCONN was on a 5 game win streak,4 by double digits.
Hurley certainly isn't overperforming this season but I think he's got UConn right where they were projected to be.
“I was stunned at being down 10 at halftime,” Hurley said. “It should have been down four at the half. We did bizarre [things] with the ball. We didn’t look like a well-coached team. I am embarrassed by that. I am embarrassed by how we played. UConn should never look like this.”
Big props to Hurley for holding his team and himself accountable. We need more of that kind of honesty in coaching.
It makes me feel a little bad for saying that I'm still not overly impressed with the job Hurley has done at UConn. I'm NOT saying he's been bad or anything; I just thought he'd have the program a little further along. We'll see how the rest of his 4th season goes, and then beyond.
Having watched them vs Auburn and Mich St. They blew the Mich St. game but you could see their talent level in Nov.
This sounds quite a bit like a popular criticism of everybody's favorite former Marquette coach.
Hurley does seem to have UConn on a decent trajectory. And against us, he was smart enough to take the ball out of Lewis' hands in crunch time; I'm looking forward to seeing the strategic rematch between Hurley and Shaka.
I guess I won't be impressed until he either outperforms expectations or meets super-high expectations. For a coach who's never reached the second weekend, he sure does get a ton of national praise.
But again, I was impressed by him just calling himself out. It WAS an embarrassing loss for him and UConn.
I want the regular season title!
Not going to happen with Providence not making up three tough games that were canceled.
If Providence goes 5-2 or better, we cannot finish ahead of them
If Providence goes 4-3, we would have to win out to finish ahead of them
If Providence goes 3-4, we would have to finish 6-1 to finish ahead of them
We don't have to finish ahead of Providence. Just tied with them. This is where beating Nova was huge for seeding, because they will likely be a high seed. Record against the top seeds is the next tie-breaker after head-to-head.
Say we both finish 15-5. First-tiebreaker is head to head, which is tied. Second tiebreaker is record vs the next highest seed (potentially Nova), which we win.
A three way tie with PC and XU is a win for MU too, because that tiebreaker is mini-conference record. We're 3-1.
We don't have to finish ahead of Providence. Just tied with them. This is where beating Nova was huge for seeding, because they will likely be a high seed. Record against the top seeds is the next tie-breaker after head-to-head.
Say we both finish 15-5. First-tiebreaker is head to head, which is tied. Second tiebreaker is record vs the next highest seed (potentially Nova), which we win.
A three way tie with PC and XU is a win for MU too, because that tiebreaker is mini-conference record. We're 3-1.
Is this game in a high school gym?at least they can fill up the stands for once
Gtown cannot continue with Ewing.
https://twitter.com/Footahh/status/1489387176362131464/photo/1
https://twitter.com/Footahh/status/1489387176362131464/photo/1Georgetown has some wealthy and influential alumni. This may be the straw that breaks the camels back.
Is this game in a high school gym?
https://twitter.com/Footahh/status/1489387176362131464/photo/1
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Announced attendance: 1,100
Average football attendance per game: 2,127 for a bad 2-8 team
Georgetown has some wealthy and influential alumni. This may be the straw that breaks the camels back.
Do we want Creighton or the Hall today?
I still can't believe MU frittered away the Creighton game at home. It might have been the spark that galvanized the squad and proved to be the seminal moment for this team, but that loss still stings.
TBF it looks like the students tried - good on them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpfzvinC6gw
But man is that sad.
UConn at Nova Noon ET Today: I'm going to go with Nova since they're at home.
But what's better for us? BREW needs to lay this out.
Justin Moore is out for Nova.put.
put.
Huge loss. I've decided I can't stand Hurley
I think it would be better for UCONN to win this one,and for Villanova to beat Providence twice.
This should keep you occupied on Saturday. Start your day cheering for UConn at Villanova. This one is tough because 'Nova represents two of Marquette's best wins, but it's not impossible for MU to pass them on the S-Curve and a 'Nova loss gets them to 4 losses, improving our Big East title hopes while MU can hand UConn a fourth Big East loss themselves on Tuesday.
Jim Jackson thinks the BE has 10 teams.
Nova is punishing UConn...my goodness.Bodes well for Tuesday
Bodes well for Tuesday
Not Big East, but interesting. Hot Seat Crean's Georgia Bulldogs up 2 on #1 Auburn at the last media timeout.
Auburn's record speaks for itself but I have to say they look like absolute garbage. My first time seeing them and not remotely impressed
But what's better for us? BREW needs to lay this out.
Xav loses to ‘aul. Rough loss.
Hopefully the ‘dence doesn’t lose to the ‘own
Zero nights off in the Big East, signed DePaul winning at Xavier.
This is what is so great about Conference play. One guy off the bench who gets hot can decide a game like this. It’s why every conference win is a big win.
Who knew that 2 losses to Marquette would motivate Nova so!
Dan Hurley still has a lot to prove as a P6 coach. Here's hoping he doesn't prove it Tuesday.
He seems like the biggest whiner since Joey Meyer. I can' think of another current coach who seems so perpetually outraged at every call (and non-call).
Cooley & Company can not let their guard down tomorrow at Georgetown
I just checked the box score and saw Courvoisier McCauley gave them the Jean Felix treatment.
Tom Izzo
Yes, yes they can.Exactly….I don’t understand where some scoopers are coming from.
Would love to see it.
Exactly….I don’t understand where some scoopers are coming from.
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Would love them to take an L
With the exception of UConn, Georgetown can beat anyone in the conference. But a defense which is allowing opponents to shoot 57 percent from two point range isn't a measure of success.
I'm just hoping for a better home turnout downtown than on Thursday. Projection for Sunday's game: 4,300.
With the exception of UConn, Georgetown can beat anyone in the conference. But a defense which is allowing opponents to shoot 57 percent from two point range isn't a measure of success.
I'm just hoping for a better home turnout downtown than on Thursday. Projection for Sunday's game: 4,300.
With the exception of UConn, Georgetown can beat anyone in the conference. But a defense which is allowing opponents to shoot 57 percent from two point range isn't a measure of success.
I'm just hoping for a better home turnout downtown than on Thursday. Projection for Sunday's game: 4,300.
With the exception of UConn, Georgetown can beat anyone in the conference. But a defense which is allowing opponents to shoot 57 percent from two point range isn't a measure of success.
I'm just hoping for a better home turnout downtown than on Thursday. Projection for Sunday's game: 4,300.
Nor exactly an impressive half for Providence.
The Town playing harder than the Dence is the difference. Neither team playing very well
It’s Eric Collins. He does Charlotte Hornets games and College hoops for Fox sports.
It literally looks like Gtown is point shaving.
Gtown should honestly get rid of Ewing immediately.
It literally looks like Gtown is point shaving.
Just turned it on, and whoever is doing play-by-play on FS1 sounds like Bon Scott circa 1979 when Georgetown does something good.
A posted on the HoyaTalk board likened it to Joey Styles on the old ECW broadcasts.
As for the game, Georgetown finished 1 for 12 in the final 7:34. They're just out of gas.
Georgetown should make a run at Ed Cooley or Kevin Willard.
When have they actually had gas this season? At least the good kind?
Have to think Shaka will be high on their short list
It’s Eric Collins. He does Charlotte Hornets games and College hoops for Fox sports.
Would Chris Mack go there?I think he should take the job if offered. Not sure what to make of Mack after this Louisville disaster.
Would Chris Mack go there?I think he would but would GU want him. Kinda toxic right now.
I think he would but would GU want him. Kinda toxic right now.
True, but GU is kinda desperate right now.It really depends on what the administration wants. A coach that wins or a coach the runs a clean program.
It really depends on what the administration wants. A coach that wins or a coach the runs a clean program.
A school that wants a clean program might hire Wojo. A school that wants to win probably will not hire Wojo. A school that wants a clean program probably would not hire Mack, but a team that wants to win might.
It really depends on what the administration wants. A coach that wins or a coach the runs a clean program.
A school that wants a clean program might hire Wojo. A school that wants to win probably will not hire Wojo. A school that wants a clean program probably would not hire Mack, but a team that wants to win might.
Chris Mack's "unclean program" was because he fired a person he was forced to hire by the university without HR there.
So what’s Shaka?
So what’s Shaka?
It really depends on what the administration wants. A coach that wins or a coach the runs a clean program.
A school that wants a clean program might hire Wojo. A school that wants to win probably will not hire Wojo. A school that wants a clean program probably would not hire Mack, but a team that wants to win might.
https://www.providencejournal.com/story/sports/college/2022/02/06/providence-college-takes-georgetown-big-east-mens-basketball-game/6684124001/
Attendance at todays game was 5575
I’m prepared to be attacked by the board on this one but I think Wojo would be a home run hire for GTown.
East coast guy from Baltimore with east coast ties at Duke. Clean and easy to respect. Good recruiter. Knows the BE well and now has experience. Had enough success, but most importantly failure and knows what it’s like to not be wanted (much like our very own Shaka at Texas).
He would step in and want to badly bring GTown back to its glory days. He would want the admiration and respect of the alums and GTown nation.
He would clearly need to hire a defensive minded assistant and hand over the keys of that side of the ball, maybe someone inside the GTown family circle to energize the fanbase.
I think it would be a successful hire for Georgetown, and would be a lot of fun for Marquette fans.
I sign off on the move.
Hmm. I’ve been wondering if Crean to G’town might be explored.
Hmm. I’ve been wondering if Crean to G’town might be explored.
I’m prepared to be attacked by the board on this one but I think Wojo would be a home run hire for GTown.
East coast guy from Baltimore with east coast ties at Duke. Clean and easy to respect. Good recruiter. Knows the BE well and now has experience. Had enough success, but most importantly failure and knows what it’s like to not be wanted (much like our very own Shaka at Texas).
He would step in and want to badly bring GTown back to its glory days. He would want the admiration and respect of the alums and GTown nation.
He would clearly need to hire a defensive minded assistant and hand over the keys of that side of the ball, maybe someone inside the GTown family circle to energize the fanbase.
I think it would be a successful hire for Georgetown, and would be a lot of fun for Marquette fans.
I sign off on the move.
Considering Wojo "led" Marquette to 9th place finish in his 7th year on the job, had zero NCAA wins, and was let go by Marquette? Pretty sure GTown fans would NOT sign off on that hire. At all. I get the East Coast native angle, yet many of Wojo's ace recruits were from the relationships of Stan and Dwayne Killings.
It was mentioned in a different thread that Shaka's results weren't all that different from Wojos. Well, Shaka won the Big 12 title last year and the Big 12 was and has been a much tougher conference than the Big East the last 7 years.
Considering Wojo "led" Marquette to 9th place finish in his 7th year on the job, had zero NCAA wins, and was let go by Marquette? Pretty sure GTown fans would NOT sign off on that hire. At all. I get the East Coast native angle, yet many of Wojo's ace recruits were from the relationships of Stan and Dwayne Killings.
https://twitter.com/HolyLandofHoops/status/1490402158864478212?s=20&t=WN_1E8n12ZqfEx6JsXBOgg
@HolyLandofHoops
Ok, I understand the @BIGEASTMBB has rules on rescheduling of games, but the fact that Providence doesn’t play a single game all upcoming week and yet has three games that apparently won’t be rescheduled is not great.
I agree. The Big East rescheduling rules are dumb.
So if you try to reschedule the only real option is maybe at Creighton on Thursday, in which you're making both teams play 3 games in 5 days.
Seton Hall played 3 games in 5 days in order to make up games. I'd be pissed if I were them.
Yes, the team making up the games played a bunch in a row. But in this case, you're punishing a team that didn't have to shut down.
Seton Hall played 3 games in 5 days in order to make up games. I'd be pissed if I were them.
But in this case, you're punishing a team that didn't have to shut down.
Also, the made up game was a short bus ride in the same metropolitan area and would not involve a flight from Providence to Omaha.
And by not rescheduling you are rewarding the team that did have to shut down.
I have a bigger problem with percentage determining standings. They should sort by win total then percentage. Neither system is fair but why reward the teams that didn't play their games.
Villanova shouldn't have won the Big East last year at 11-4 over 13-6 Creighton. That's crap, especially when Villanova canceled a game for mental health.
Every level of sports goes off of win percentage.
There's no right way to do these things. I don't think Providence is intentionally dodging those games, I think it's just hard to schedule them.
I don't think Providence is intentionally dodging those games, I think it's just hard to schedule them.
Yes, the team making up the games played a bunch in a row. But in this case, you're punishing a team that didn't have to shut down. Providence would be more rested than the team you are having them play against.
Creighton would play Butler at 8:00 PM Tuesday, then a (presumably) evening game on Thursday, then fly out that night? for their 11:00 AM game at Georgetown on Saturday. It just doesn't really fit.
I'm much more invested in our chances in the BET than finishing at the top in the regular season. Win the BET and get better seeding and possibly be placed in the MW region as well. A spiffy banner is a bonus but more important than that, we would get publicity that recruits and transfers will see.
I'm much more invested in our chances in the BET than finishing at the top in the regular season. Win the BET and get better seeding and possibly be placed in the MW region as well. A spiffy banner is a bonus but more important than that, we would get publicity that recruits and transfers will see.
I may be the outlier here, but I always like a "duck out in the semis" for the BET to give the team some rest. Feel like the rest helps more than any seeding jump (which I will defer to Brew here, but on a conjecture basis feel like the jump isn't that high if there is one at all).
I may be the outlier here, but I always like a "duck out in the semis" for the BET to give the team some rest. Feel like the rest helps more than any seeding jump (which I will defer to Brew here, but on a conjecture basis feel like the jump isn't that high if there is one at all).
Winning the BET led to a pretty high jump in seed for Georgetown last year.
Texas won the Big Twelve Tournament, not the regular season title.
Correct. The 4th place regular season finish at 11-6 in the second toughest leage (it had been the toughest the 5 previous years) and final KenPom ranking of 26 is substantially better than our 83rd ranked finish in KenPom.
This all aside, the optics from the GTown fanbase of hiring Wojo, whom was fired by MU would be a tough sell. No doubt GTown fans/alum likely see their program as better (not necessarily accurate), and to hire a coach whom Marquette felt wasn't good enough? Would be shocked if they could sell that hire.
I may be the outlier here, but I always like a "duck out in the semis" for the BET to give the team some rest. Feel like the rest helps more than any seeding jump (which I will defer to Brew here, but on a conjecture basis feel like the jump isn't that high if there is one at all).
Wonder if Dennis Gates would be a good fit at Georgetown.
The 2011 UCONN team is on Line 1...
I wouldn’t be shocked if Jamie Dixon got a look, either
I don't think Providence is intentionally dodging those games, I think it's just hard to schedule them.
If he's up for a project I think Dixon would be a great hire there.
It’s also in their best interest not to reschedule them. I wonder if they would “try harder” to play the games if they were on the bubble or just on the other side of it.
With the b12 changes, I could see him thinking about a move.
Considering Wojo "led" Marquette to 9th place finish in his 7th year on the job, had zero NCAA wins, and was let go by Marquette? Pretty sure GTown fans would NOT sign off on that hire. At all. I get the East Coast native angle, yet many of Wojo's ace recruits were from the relationships of Stan and Dwayne Killings.The zero NCAA wins and lack of success in the Big East tourney were a big problem for me. However, we should not forget how much Covid hurt last year's team. We came close to beating UCLA and Oklahoma St. I have to believe we might have won those games, if we did not have to shut down practice for 14 days. That shut down really hurt the team and put Wojo directly behind the 8 ball.
It was mentioned in a different thread that Shaka's results weren't all that different from Wojos. Well, Shaka won the Big 12 title last year and the Big 12 was and has been a much tougher conference than the Big East the last 7 years.
Is Matta rested and ready?
Creighton barely beat Butler
Our game with Butler is not a lay up.
A truly bizarre box score line for Gillespie vs. St. John's tonight:I know they said he was injured (leg, I believe) and was questionable to play. Yet, he played 25 minutes. Obviously not 100%
0 points on 0-5 shooting (0-3 from 3), 0 assists, 4 fouls ... and 10 rebounds (all defensive) in 25 minutes.
First time he's gone scoreless since 3/25/18, when as a freshman mostly garbage-time player he had 0 points in 2 minutes vs Texas Tech in the Elite Eight.
We coulda used him on the boards tonight!!
Or both games are layups.
Interested in seeing how we respond on Saturday. If they respond how I expect them to and put together a good performance, I predict a six game win streak to close the regular season.
He’s been sniffing around other jobs the last few cycles. TCU is what it is as far as a basketball job. He’s still only 56, so he’s not too old. He has experience in the league, sort of. I’m just not sure what Georgetown’s vision is.Dixon is a TCU alum which is why he left a top 25 Pitt job(at the time) for Fort Worth. I believe TCU is paying him top 20 salary and TCU has a great campus with a lot of money. Plus the 'new' Big XII will have a top 5 Houston team joining and Cincy and BYI are decent adds to a league with Baylor and Kansas.
I’d throw out Sean Miller or Chris Mack but I’m not sure those are the type of reclamation projects they’d want
Dixon is a TCU alum which is why he left a top 25 Pitt job(at the time) for Fort Worth. I believe TCU is paying him top 20 salary and TCU has a great campus with a lot of money. Plus the 'new' Big XII will have a top 5 Houston team joining and Cincy and BYI are decent adds to a league with Baylor and Kansas.
But I would agree that Georgetown is a better job with a great history and more upside.
Dixon is a TCU alum which is why he left a top 25 Pitt job(at the time) for Fort Worth.
I can see Georgetown making a run at Anthony Grant.
I agree; with their past history I doubt they would hire a non-minority coach and Grant has a good resume.
X at The Hall should be a decent battle.
Opportunity for DePaul to pick up another Big East Win if they can keep Georgetown winless.
Do we want the Hall here?
Do we want the Hall here?
Hall is on the cusp of being another Q1 win for us. And it would bring X down more for seeding.
But, if we take care of business in the final 6 like we are supposed to it really doesnt matter much
Anybody but SHU.
DePaul is on a 26-0 run.
34-2 run. Absolutely astounding
Seton Hall goes into complete prevent mode up 6, runs zero offense and was a bail out foul away from giving up 6 straight to let Xavier tie. Just horrific game management. Playing not to lose and caring more about clock than scoring is my big pet peeve
Agree completely. I thought X just might pullout a win. Who the heck was that kid on X who just couldn't miss. Every time he went to the basket it just went in, but then again SH wasn't playing much offense/defense the last 6 minutes of that game.
Georgetown has won six total games and has lost 12 in a row.
Here are who they beat:
American
Siena
Longwood
UMBC
Syracuse
Howard
Plus they lost to Dartmouth. Now that is really, really bad. Maybe Mohamed wants to leave, and if so, have Shaka tell him he can replace Morsell.
What exactly is the Gtown brass waiting for? 34-2?
My guess is that they are hoping, praying, and betting that Ewing will come to them and say "we need to talk". Despite his record, firing Ewing would be a huge PR disaster so I think GT is desperately trying to avoid pulling the trigger. By resigning, Ewing can save face. If he does, GT can make a big production about thanking Ewing for his accomplishments as a player and his efforts to bring GT back to its glory days.
Firing him isn't any less a PR disaster than going winless in conference.
Or playing in front of a few hundred fans in a high school gym.
My guess is that they are hoping, praying, and betting that Ewing will come to them and say "we need to talk". Despite his record, firing Ewing would be a huge PR disaster so I think GT is desperately trying to avoid pulling the trigger. By resigning, Ewing can save face. If he does, GT can make a big production about thanking Ewing for his accomplishments as a player and his efforts to bring GT back to its glory days.
Yeah I don't get the "PR disaster" that firing him would be. Cause he starred for them 40 years ago?
yeah sort of. You don't think firing him wouldn't alienate Alonzo Mourning? Dikembe Mutombo? Maybe even AI?
yeah sort of. You don't think firing him wouldn't alienate Alonzo Mourning? Dikembe Mutombo? Maybe even AI? I mean if MU fired Wade I'd imagine that itd be a PR disaster and I'd imagine it'd alienate Deiner and Novak perhaps even the next group of greats that looked up to him. All of whom are important for coming back and taking pictures so wealthy alumni can swoon, get drunk and make donations.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/its-time-patrick-ewing-needs-to-step-down-to-save-georgetown-basketball/ar-AATHRlx?li=BBnbfcL
Good article telling Ewing its time....
While I took heat here for writing "PR disaster", I suspect many of my critics would accept the tamer line near the end of the article "a dismissal could get ugly". The title says it all and challenges Ewing to do the right thing.
This is an exceptionally well written piece. Thanks for posting.
They got into it on the Field of 68 After Dark as to why it would be really difficult to fire Ewing. He's basically the guy that built that program. Yes, it was Big John, but Ewing has been the face of Georgetown for the past 40 years. It would also potentially alienate all of Big John's players, from Mourning to Mutombo to Iverson. A lot of donors are tied up in the history as well. The impression I get is that it's not one of those situations where we can really relate from the outside as to how difficult that firing would be. Probably the closest would be if we had to fire Doc Rivers, but I'm not sure that's even on par because Doc wasn't here as long and didn't reach the heights Ewing did as a player and face of the program.
I think their best case scenario is to have a talk with Ewing and convince him to resign because it's just not working. If he doesn't go for it, try changing up the staff and give it one more year, but it does look doomed.
I've been wondering who they would go for if Ewing left. It has to be a black coach, and unfortunately for Georgetown I don't think they get Cooley (he might leave, but not to an in-league opponent) or Smart (would've been perfect with DMV roots). If it came open, I do think they would have a number of candidates, but they certainly can't afford another Craig Esherick type hire.
They got into it on the Field of 68 After Dark as to why it would be really difficult to fire Ewing. He's basically the guy that built that program. Yes, it was Big John, but Ewing has been the face of Georgetown for the past 40 years. It would also potentially alienate all of Big John's players, from Mourning to Mutombo to Iverson. A lot of donors are tied up in the history as well. The impression I get is that it's not one of those situations where we can really relate from the outside as to how difficult that firing would be. Probably the closest would be if we had to fire Doc Rivers, but I'm not sure that's even on par because Doc wasn't here as long and didn't reach the heights Ewing did as a player and face of the program.Why does it have to be a black coach?
I think their best case scenario is to have a talk with Ewing and convince him to resign because it's just not working. If he doesn't go for it, try changing up the staff and give it one more year, but it does look doomed.
I've been wondering who they would go for if Ewing left. It has to be a black coach, and unfortunately for Georgetown I don't think they get Cooley (he might leave, but not to an in-league opponent) or Smart (would've been perfect with DMV roots). If it came open, I do think they would have a number of candidates, but they certainly can't afford another Craig Esherick type hire.
They got into it on the Field of 68 After Dark as to why it would be really difficult to fire Ewing. He's basically the guy that built that program. Yes, it was Big John, but Ewing has been the face of Georgetown for the past 40 years. It would also potentially alienate all of Big John's players, from Mourning to Mutombo to Iverson. A lot of donors are tied up in the history as well. The impression I get is that it's not one of those situations where we can really relate from the outside as to how difficult that firing would be. Probably the closest would be if we had to fire Doc Rivers, but I'm not sure that's even on par because Doc wasn't here as long and didn't reach the heights Ewing did as a player and face of the program.
I think their best case scenario is to have a talk with Ewing and convince him to resign because it's just not working. If he doesn't go for it, try changing up the staff and give it one more year, but it does look doomed.
I've been wondering who they would go for if Ewing left. It has to be a black coach, and unfortunately for Georgetown I don't think they get Cooley (he might leave, but not to an in-league opponent) or Smart (would've been perfect with DMV roots). If it came open, I do think they would have a number of candidates, but they certainly can't afford another Craig Esherick type hire.
I've been wondering who they would go for if Ewing left. It has to be a black coach, and unfortunately for Georgetown I don't think they get Cooley (he might leave, but not to an in-league opponent) or Smart (would've been perfect with DMV roots). If it came open, I do think they would have a number of candidates, but they certainly can't afford another Craig Esherick type hire.
Getting caught up in the history of the program is what has run Georgetown into the ground. For Georgetown's sake, one would hope they administration can see through the weeds on this one.Interesting name and might be the type of guy that can bring some energy to the program, but I think that's too risky for Georgetown.
Kim English is a name that makes sense - Risky, but checks several boxes.
I'm not quite sure why it would get ugly? Are you saying all of the prominent supporters of Patrick Ewing don't care he's firmly entrenched the program in the BE basement?
Oh, they care- a lot!. I think they want Ewing to have time to decide how to exit-especially how he phrases it. If he waits too long, he will be fired. The ugliness part is that the guy is part of GT's identity. We have a statue of Al and GT has a statue of Big John. GT needs to move beyond the Thompson(s)-Ewing era, but a firing-no matter how crystal clear the need to get rid of him is-will be twisted by some dyed-in-the-wool GT fans as something that somehow coulda/shoulda/woulda been avoided if if if.
Edit- I really think this entire discussion will be moot before long. If Ewing has not read the article (and others like it) by now, he will very soon. He knows, and a well written article may be just enough to nudge him to act.
yeah sort of. You don't think firing him wouldn't alienate Alonzo Mourning? Dikembe Mutombo? Maybe even AI? I mean if MU fired Wade I'd imagine that itd be a PR disaster and I'd imagine it'd alienate Deiner and Novak perhaps even the next group of greats that looked up to him. All of whom are important for coming back and taking pictures so wealthy alumni can swoon, get drunk and make donations.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/its-time-patrick-ewing-needs-to-step-down-to-save-georgetown-basketball/ar-AATHRlx?li=BBnbfcL
Good article telling Ewing its time....
Rather think that they will craft an amicable departure for Ewing.
There's a perspective that's missing from the article, and that's the question of whether anyone currently at Georgetown cares about Georgetown basketball.
I don't think the issue behind the current lack of interest in Georgetown is simply too few wins.
My perception is that over the last 40 years, the student body has slowly transitioned from students happy for a traditional college experience (and excited over a top-level basketball program) into a pre-professional development program for those looking to change the world through government, associations, and NGOs. And for that type of student, there is far too much relevant experience to be gained in DC and doesn't leave time to get all that into the basketball program.
I think it's that the type of student that represents Georgetown today simply doesn't care about athletics. For too many students, when it comes down to whether you want to head to watch the Hoyas take on Providence or Creighton, or go listen to a speech from some climate activist on how to mobilize global action, the speech is going to win out every single time.
Can Georgetown (the basketball program) succeed in an environment where their primary audience is no longer primarily Georgetown University students? It's a challenging problem when your audience consists of the GU equivalent of sweater vests, reliving 30 and 40-year-old successes and casual basketball fans with no connection to the academic side of the organization.
Can Georgetown (the basketball program) succeed in an environment where their primary audience is no longer primarily Georgetown University students? It's a challenging problem when your audience consists of the GU equivalent of sweater vests, reliving 30 and 40-year-old successes and casual basketball fans with no connection to the academic side of the organization.
There's a perspective that's missing from the article, and that's the question of whether anyone currently at Georgetown cares about Georgetown basketball.
I don't think the issue behind the current lack of interest in Georgetown is simply too few wins.
My perception is that over the last 40 years, the student body has slowly transitioned from students happy for a traditional college experience (and excited over a top-level basketball program) into a pre-professional development program for those looking to change the world through government, associations, and NGOs. And for that type of student, there is far too much relevant experience to be gained in DC and doesn't leave time to get all that into the basketball program.
I think it's that the type of student that represents Georgetown today simply doesn't care about athletics. For too many students, when it comes down to whether you want to head to watch the Hoyas take on Providence or Creighton, or go listen to a speech from some climate activist on how to mobilize global action, the speech is going to win out every single time.
Can Georgetown (the basketball program) succeed in an environment where their primary audience is no longer primarily Georgetown University students? It's a challenging problem when your audience consists of the GU equivalent of sweater vests, reliving 30 and 40-year-old successes and casual basketball fans with no connection to the academic side of the organization.
There's a perspective that's missing from the article, and that's the question of whether anyone currently at Georgetown cares about Georgetown basketball.
I don't think the issue behind the current lack of interest in Georgetown is simply too few wins.
My perception is that over the last 40 years, the student body has slowly transitioned from students happy for a traditional college experience (and excited over a top-level basketball program) into a pre-professional development program for those looking to change the world through government, associations, and NGOs. And for that type of student, there is far too much relevant experience to be gained in DC and doesn't leave time to get all that into the basketball program.
I think it's that the type of student that represents Georgetown today simply doesn't care about athletics. For too many students, when it comes down to whether you want to head to watch the Hoyas take on Providence or Creighton, or go listen to a speech from some climate activist on how to mobilize global action, the speech is going to win out every single time.
Can Georgetown (the basketball program) succeed in an environment where their primary audience is no longer primarily Georgetown University students? It's a challenging problem when your audience consists of the GU equivalent of sweater vests, reliving 30 and 40-year-old successes and casual basketball fans with no connection to the academic side of the organization.
There's a perspective that's missing from the article, and that's the question of whether anyone currently at Georgetown cares about Georgetown basketball.
I don't think the issue behind the current lack of interest in Georgetown is simply too few wins.
My perception is that over the last 40 years, the student body has slowly transitioned from students happy for a traditional college experience (and excited over a top-level basketball program) into a pre-professional development program for those looking to change the world through government, associations, and NGOs. And for that type of student, there is far too much relevant experience to be gained in DC and doesn't leave time to get all that into the basketball program.
I think it's that the type of student that represents Georgetown today simply doesn't care about athletics. For too many students, when it comes down to whether you want to head to watch the Hoyas take on Providence or Creighton, or go listen to a speech from some climate activist on how to mobilize global action, the speech is going to win out every single time.
The basketball program doesn’t stink because the students don’t care.
The students don’t care because the basketball program stinks.
My perception is that over the last 40 years, the student body has slowly transitioned from students happy for a traditional college experience (and excited over a top-level basketball program) into a pre-professional development program for those looking to change the world through government, associations, and NGOs. And for that type of student, there is far too much relevant experience to be gained in DC and doesn't leave time to get all that into the basketball program.
The basketball program doesn’t stink because the students don’t care.
The students don’t care because the basketball program stinks.
Don’t make this more complicated than it is.
I thought I read somewhere that attendance at Georgetown football and soccer games has been going up while basketball attendance has been declining. If true, that would go against the idea that Georgetown students don't care about athletics anymore.
I pounded X tonight.
Well if the blueprint is getting their best two players in foul trouble all night, it's a tough one to duplicate.
Well if the blueprint is getting their best two players in foul trouble all night, it's a tough one to duplicate.
Big game today for Creighton today against Georgetown. They can not afford to let their guard down.
Georgetown is seriously a dumpster fire. I'm not sure they're better than more than 25 teams in the country.The players have checked out this year. I suppose I can't blame them, they did not go to Georgetown for this.
Good ending to come for Hall-Nova - aka the We Both Lost Twice To Marquette Bowl.
Nova has missed 3 FTs ALL YEAR at Wells Fargo. That’s insane. But…#FTsNoMatta
I’m prepared to be attacked by the board on this one but I think Wojo would be a home run hire for GTown.
East coast guy from Baltimore with east coast ties at Duke. Clean and easy to respect. Good recruiter. Knows the BE well and now has experience. Had enough success, but most importantly failure and knows what it’s like to not be wanted (much like our very own Shaka at Texas).
He would step in and want to badly bring GTown back to its glory days. He would want the admiration and respect of the alums and GTown nation.
He would clearly need to hire a defensive minded assistant and hand over the keys of that side of the ball, maybe someone inside the GTown family circle to energize the fanbase.
I think it would be a successful hire for Georgetown, and would be a lot of fun for Marquette fans.
I sign off on the move.
Let me guess. You're a Marquette Dental School grad, aina?
I’m prepared to be attacked by the board on this one but I think Wojo would be a home run hire for GTown.
East coast guy from Baltimore with east coast ties at Duke. Clean and easy to respect. Good recruiter. Knows the BE well and now has experience. Had enough success, but most importantly failure and knows what it’s like to not be wanted (much like our very own Shaka at Texas).
He would step in and want to badly bring GTown back to its glory days. He would want the admiration and respect of the alums and GTown nation.
He would clearly need to hire a defensive minded assistant and hand over the keys of that side of the ball, maybe someone inside the GTown family circle to energize the fanbase.
I think it would be a successful hire for Georgetown, and would be a lot of fun for Marquette fans.
I sign off on the move.
Lets not let our emotions run too wild. Gtown can do both better and worse than Wojo. Can he return them to their glory days? No. Is he an upgrade over Ewing? Absolutely. TBH, if both MU and Gtown had been open at the same time, Wojo probably would have been more interested in Gtown.
Solid win for Creighton. Dodged a bullet by beating Georgetown. Now they have to play hard against the Hoyas again in Omaha on Monday.
Nice to see Nova keep up their winning ways. We want those two wins over The Wildcats to look good come selection Sunday. The Hall was respectable in the loss so doesn’t hurt them much.
How did Creighton dodge a bullet?They avoided a loss to a bad team .
They avoided a loss to a bad team .
You make it sound like it was in doubtMU got hit by a bullet
MU got hit by a bullet
Creighton won easily.Exactly they dodged the bullet
Exactly they dodged the bullet
Kinda want to see the carnage of opinions if DePaul beats Providence on the road tonight.
Providence isn’t very good
Providence isn’t very good
Chef’s kisses
What? They could be 2 point favorites as a 3 seed. They are what they are.
Doesn’t mean they aren’t good. Doesn’t mean DePaul is better than them. Providence is a 9-pt favorite via KenPom tonight. If Marquette losing on the road to Butler means doom and gloom, Providence fans should probably send Cooley to the moon, right? Or maybe things happen in sports
Has the sleeping giant awakened in Chicago? Lots of game left but DePaul is playing with confidence.
Nah, Providence isn’t good
They're not as good as their ranking.
Yeah, they’re terrible.
They're 20-2 but "terrible"?
Dont get me wrong its impressive as hell that Providence wins every single close game(and they play in a lot).
But if they dont lose one soon, im going on record that they will be so overdue for one that whether its BET or NCaa tourney. They lose the first nailbiter they play.
Law of averages going to come.
Help me out. I can't find the margin of victory in the standings. I can find wins, losses and winning pct. But nothing about win margin. Why is that?
That’s dodging a bulletCooley & Company dig deep to dodge that bullet. Well done .
I did not think a foul should have been called late in the game against St John's on what appeared to be a Cole travelling violation. The Johnnies should have had the ball down one with 12 seconds left. It's a shame Big East officiating couldn't get out of its own way once again.
St John's is a terrible free throw shooting team and the strategy to foul would have been just as effective. They played it out and the defense was suffocating that last 12 seconds. I did not think a foul should have been called late in the game against St John's on what appeared to be a Cole travelling violation. The Johnnies should have had the ball down one with 12 seconds left. It's a shame Big East officiating couldn't get out of its own way once again.
Solid win for U ConnNo, bad for our BET seeding.
Big East Conference needs its leadership teams to win these kind of games
No, bad for our BET seeding.
Won’t matter. He won’t be considered unless they get turned down by 150 othersSo you're saying I have a chance?
Hurley chooses to not foul up 3. Stayed home, walled up. SJU bricked. UConn wins 63-60. Beating up SJU on the offensive boards.
They had a lot of safe chances to foul with only a few seconds left. Almost cost them.
Wheeler is a 39% shooter from 3. Even with a guy in his face, I think a shot from him has a decent chance to go in. He dribbled with 3.0 seconds left. Perfect time to foul him and send him and his 68% FT shooting to the line.
Who we rooting for tonight, Wright & Company or The Provi?As much as I like Cooley & Company, I am going to be rooting for Nova. Our two wins over Nova are important to our NCAA resume and thus I want them to continue to be highly rated in NET and overall. A close game with a Nova win would be good for MU.
Who we rooting for tonight, Wright & Company or The Provi?
Solid win for the Bluejays over The Hoyas yesterday.
https://omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/alex-oconnells-27-points-helps-creighton-hold-off-georgetown/article_de3c316e-8dc9-11ec-b1db-0b6443206fcc.html
Solid win for the Bluejays over The Hoyas yesterday.
Hmmm...Creighton didn't make a basket for the final 8:10 of the game and held on in the final 2:00 at the foul line. Georgetown had two opportunities to cut the score to three but Kaiden Rice decided in both cases that a 35 foot shot was preferable to an guard cutting to the hoop.
Who we rooting for tonight, Wright & Company or The Provi?
Marquette's best and ceiling is higher than both of these teams.
Good outcome for MU with Nova winning on the road . Cooley & Company won’t go down much as they battled hard .
MU is fine Herman. We had a colossal double-dud performance on Saturday, no doubt about it. That said this team will bounce back and has already proven that we can kick it up a few gears. It's unfortunate we lost our focus, but this may in fact re-energize us and make us hungrier.
More than lost focus. Tonight, Butler shot 26.3 from the three. Wish they had on Saturday.
They hit a few threes out of their ass, especially those two late. Nevertheless, we overpressured defensively and completely lost focus in general imo.
I'm simply looking at total points scored via 3's vs. their average. I'm not debating our defensive performance, but of course more opportunities for open 3's and defensive lapses are certainly related. If they shot anywhere near their average, I think we win in an ugly game.
Very classy Providence fans were throwing stuff onto the court after the game tonight. Cooley had to jump on the PA and tell them to stop. That’s what you do after a protracted winning streak comes to an end?
I missed that. Uhh.....wtf?? Providence might want to remind themselves that they're.....well....Providence.
I think this is them fully remembering they are, indeed, Providence.
If Lavall Jordan can keep Butler playing crisp through the end of the season , he may be able to come off the hot seat .
It is unfortunate that Butler had two DII games on their schedule ( which don’t count for purposes of NET). Otherwise if they would have just scheduled two cupcakes their NET ranking would have been a bit higher.
It is unfortunate that Butler had two DII games on their schedule ( which don’t count for purposes of NET). Otherwise if they would have just scheduled two cupcakes their NET ranking would have been a bit higher.
This is simply not true. Butler played 4 "cupcakes" and failed to cover 3 times, so they were at a 75% likelihood to hurt their NET, not help it. And the only game in Maui/Vegas where they didn't hurt their metrics was against Chaminade, do you really think playing a Notre Dame team that's proving to be better than anyone expected would've helped them?
Before Bo Hodges joined the starting lineup, Butler played 19 games that impacted their quality metrics. In 16 of those, their quality metrics got worse, regardless of the level of opponent. Add two more D1 opponents and the odds are Butler is even worse than they are now, not better.
This is simply not true. Butler played 4 "cupcakes" and failed to cover 3 times, so they were at a 75% likelihood to hurt their NET, not help it. And the only game in Maui/Vegas where they didn't hurt their metrics was against Chaminade, do you really think playing a Notre Dame team that's proving to be better than anyone expected would've helped them?One of the metrics in NET is win loss percentage .
Before Bo Hodges joined the starting lineup, Butler played 19 games that impacted their quality metrics. In 16 of those, their quality metrics got worse, regardless of the level of opponent. Add two more D1 opponents and the odds are Butler is even worse than they are now, not better.
One of the metrics in NET is win loss percentage .
Schedule a couple of easy wins and your good to go. You Get the win percentage up and the efficiency up. All that gets added into the total .
.... so you only look at one factor and ignore the others?Very simple DII don’t count in formula
Very simple DII don’t count in formula
Add two big wins and the gross Total goes up.
That is why non conference matters . Build up the NET then, because the in conference it is hard to gain unless you go on a massive winning streak like MU did .
One of the metrics in NET is win loss percentage .
Schedule a couple of easy wins and your good to go. You Get the win percentage up and the efficiency up. All that gets added into the total .
Big East NET rankings as of games of December 11,2021
New Old
5 5 Villanova
14 14 UConn
15 18 Xavier
22 23 Seton Hall
39 36 Providence
51 50 DePaul
58 82 Creighton
76 60 Marquette
95 96 St. John's
137 123 Butler
174 205 Georgetown
Very simple DII don’t count in formula
Add two big wins and the gross Total goes up.
That is why non conference matters . Build up the NET then, because the in conference it is hard to gain unless you go on a massive winning streak like MU did .
Just a PSA that tonight's MU game is on FS2 - I know that's not a problem for most here, but we inevitably get last minute bellyaching every time a FS2 or CBSSN game comes up.
Just a PSA that tonight's MU game is on FS2 - I know that's not a problem for most here, but we inevitably get last minute bellyaching every time a FS2 or CBSSN game comes up.So true—-cant wait for the 7:05 post asking where to find the game…..followed shortly by “MU should play all of their games on FS1.”
Just a PSA that tonight's MU game is on FS2 - I know that's not a problem for most here, but we inevitably get last minute bellyaching every time a FS2 or CBSSN game comes up.
Excellent win for The Johnnies over X.
Chris Mack is available to come back……..
The X flat out stinks. Nice win for the Johnnies NIT bid
I didn’t watch because KenPom said X would win. What happened in Cincy tonight?
That’s pretty stupid of you, but hardly surprising. Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of predictive models know how they work.
I’m sorry KenPom hurt you or pops. Good win for the Johnnies. Very helpful in getting them to the NIT
Math is hard.
But stats are. Pomeroy great looking backwards. Not so good looking forward.
It's the closest thing to Vegas in terms of accuracy. No system is perfect, but it's the best of the predictive metrics.
He changed his methodology a few years back to be more explainable. He is the best looking backwards as a result, not predictive. He was better before when he was multiplicative versus additive.
Case in point, the shyt he took for rating the Badgers too high under Bo...yet they finished in the F2 twice which he predicted and was where they finished.
When you build models you have two choices: Build them backwards looking or forward looking. Pomeroy is now great explaining the past as was his choice.
Either way, no one has ever said it’s infallible when it comes to the results of games yet to be played. It’s one tool to use in discussing teams. Dismissing it is silly, especially when we consider how many coaches in college basketball use it
I know that I've been a little snarky about kenpom. It's not that I don't "like" it or "trust" it, it's that I feel sometimes it's used as a crutch a little too much. We've got a game in 24 hours, and all some folks (not you Unk) talk about is what kenpom says, as if we might as well not even bother playing. And then there's the whole thing of the first two months of kenpom ratings being fairly close to worthless because they're based on the previous season, even though teams increasingly have 50% roster turnover or more.
But I know there's nothing perfect out there, and an awful lot of knowledgeable Scoopers like you, brew, TAMU, etc, really think highly of kenpom, so I'll try to "respect the kenpom process" going forward.
I know that I've been a little snarky about kenpom. It's not that I don't "like" it or "trust" it, it's that I feel sometimes it's used as a crutch a little too much. We've got a game in 24 hours, and all some folks (not you Unk) talk about is what kenpom says, as if we might as well not even bother playing. And then there's the whole thing of the first two months of kenpom ratings being fairly close to worthless because they're based on the previous season, even though teams increasingly have 50% roster turnover or more.
But I know there's nothing perfect out there, and an awful lot of knowledgeable Scoopers like you, brew, TAMU, etc, really think highly of kenpom, so I'll try to "respect the kenpom process" going forward.
In the past 25 years, 12 coaches were winless in conference. Of the 12, 3 kept their job the following season. (CBS Sports)
If Ewing wasn’t a Georgetown icon, he would likely be gone. One winning season in five (including this season), and the BET was a fluke. Even Wojo had a (considerably) better record after five seasons, and only missed the NCAA in season five because of COVID.
Wojo: 97-68
Ewing: 68-78
Wojo was carried by his Duke pedigree and recruiting. It will be interesting to see how far Ewing’s Georgetown playing days carry him….
You've got a couple of misconceptions about KenPom in here. First, not once has anyone suggested anything close to the "might as well not play the game" trope that you and Billy like to break out (if nothing else, KenPom can bring opposites together!). The reason people use it is because it is an objective, data informed model that takes the homerism and emotion out of predictions and rankings. It gives us a baseline of what the data "expects" to happen, knowing that 98 times out of 100, it isn't going to be exactly right. No one treats it like gospel, as Rico said, it's one tool in the toolbelt.
The first two months of KenPom are not "close to worthless", they get steadily more accurate as the season goes on. You bring up roster turnover as if that dismisses KenPom's value. KenPom accounts for roster turnover. The results of the previous season that are used aren't based on last year's Marquette team. They are based on the data from how the players performed the previous season wherever they were. So wrapped up in KenPom's initial rankings for Marquette was Lewis' freshman year stats, Tyler's stats at George Mason, O-Max's stats at Clemson, as well as projections for the freshmen based on their rankings. What was not included in his initial rankings for Marquette was anything related to Carton, McEwen, John, etc. While not as accurate as quantifying player value from the current season, there are still ways to project how a player is likely to perform this season given their performance in past seasons. And again, no one treats this like gospel. It's just a neutral and objective way to provide a baseline for what the team is expected to do going into the season. One tool in the tool belt.
Matt Norlander did the research, and in his opinion, Ewing will not get fired. If he steps down it will be his choice.
I'm not impressed by Creighton or DePaul. Marquette should pummel both of these teams and it's not debatable.
It is debatable, because we’ll be underdogs on Sunday.
I could care less about the bet line. They are not impressive at all and if we play a solid game we will get the W.
Marquette is the better team and will have a big chip on its shoulder after the first game at the serve, so I have a good feeling about this one on the road.
That said, if we are being completely honest this one matters a lot more for Creighton.
In the bracketology podcast Brew mentioned that he was very confident in Creightons tourney chances, but they are definitely the bubbliest of the BE teams.
Their computer numbers are doing them no favors- 65 in KenPom and 71 in the NET, yikes.
They need to improve those numbers and finish the season strong if they want to get a bid IMO, and that’s a big opportunity for them on Sunday so they will be hungry (finish off with @StJ, @Prov, v UConn, v SH)
I think they are in the pickle that Marquette was in before their metrics and perception greatly increased after that amazing stretch and Nova sweep.
10-9 in conference likely won’t do it IMO.
11-8 will probably still leave them on the bubble, but still not sure if they would be on the right side tbh (I would guess Dayton with that record at this point).
Since that lucky win over Marquette at the turn of the new year Creightons wins are as follows
At Home over StJ, DePaul, Butler, Georgetown.
On the road over Georgetown, DePaul, UConn.
That’s one good win.
They have the @Uconn, @MU and home clobber of Nova as nice resume pieces and the committee will like that, but unfortunately I don’t think the committee will view the BE as elite as say the B12 or SEC or B10 this year because Nova isn’t as strong and generally speaking the BE will have two top 3/4 seeds (Nova, Providence) and a slew of 5-8 seeds (UConn, MU, X, SH likely lower).
Not sure one good home win versus a 3 seed and a few road wins over 4-6 seeds will be enough to get them in with those computer numbers, and I’m pretty confident it actually wouldn’t.
Now, add a season sweep of MU or UConn (both coming up at home) or a win at Providence and pump that NET into the 55 range and then you’ll likely convince the committee.
Good news is that Coach McDermott recently said in an interview that they are running on fumes. Get after them with high energy and intensity early and often, break their spirit and their lively crowd and bring home a dub
Matt Norlander did the research, and in his opinion, Ewing will not get fired. If he steps down it will be his choice.
The 3 who survived were Jerry Wainwright, Trent Johnson, Jim Christian.
Wainwright, DePaul 2009, in his 4th season, and he lasted 1 more season.
Trent Johnson, TCU 2014, in his 2nd season, and he lasted 2 more seasons.
Jim Christian BC 2016, in his 2nd season, and he lasted 5 more seasons.
The 9 who did not survive:
Baylor, 1999 (0-16) / Harry Miller after fifth season
Northwestern, 2000 (0-16) / Kevin O'Neill after third season
Texas A&M, 2004 (0-16) / Melvin Watkins after sixth season
Oregon State, 2008 (0-18) / Jay John fired sixth season
Fordham, 2010 (0-16) / Derrick Whittenburg after seventh season
Pitt, 2018 (0-18) / Kevin Stallings fired second second
Tulane, 2019 (0-18) / Mike Dunleavy fired third season
Vanderbilt, 2019 (0-18) / Bryce Drew fired third season
Iowa State, 2021 (0-18) / Steve Prohm fired sixth season
I know Bryce Drew was shocked that he was fired as several top players Darius Garland etc missed the season due to injury. It was a new AD (that makes a difference too) that came in and fired him without discussion. Drew underestimated the importance of at least winning a few games in conference. (He has since bounced back at Grand Canyon.)
We’ll see about Ewing. I hope he wins a few league games.
The question is are we a better team and should we beat Creighton? I emphatically believe we should. It's time to get our act together Dr. V and play high quality hoops.
Yes Muggsy we must get our act together and play some high quality hoops, you aren’t kiddin
The question is are we a better team and should we beat Creighton? I emphatically believe we should. It's time to get our act together Dr. V and play high quality hoops.
One more thing to watch, Creighton is willing to play at the other team's pace. I think we want to speed them up and get them playing faster, particularly because neither Nembhard nor Alexander protect the ball well. I would use the Nova strategy and break out the press again. Probably our best shot at stealing the road win.
You've got a couple of misconceptions about KenPom in here. First, not once has anyone suggested anything close to the "might as well not play the game" trope that you and Billy like to break out (if nothing else, KenPom can bring opposites together!). The reason people use it is because it is an objective, data informed model that takes the homerism and emotion out of predictions and rankings. It gives us a baseline of what the data "expects" to happen, knowing that 98 times out of 100, it isn't going to be exactly right. No one treats it like gospel, as Rico said, it's one tool in the toolbelt.
The first two months of KenPom are not "close to worthless", they get steadily more accurate as the season goes on. You bring up roster turnover as if that dismisses KenPom's value. KenPom accounts for roster turnover. The results of the previous season that are used aren't based on last year's Marquette team. They are based on the data from how the players performed the previous season wherever they were. So wrapped up in KenPom's initial rankings for Marquette was Lewis' freshman year stats, Tyler's stats at George Mason, O-Max's stats at Clemson, as well as projections for the freshmen based on their rankings. What was not included in his initial rankings for Marquette was anything related to Carton, McEwen, John, etc. While not as accurate as quantifying player value from the current season, there are still ways to project how a player is likely to perform this season given their performance in past seasons. And again, no one treats this like gospel. It's just a neutral and objective way to provide a baseline for what the team is expected to do going into the season. One tool in the tool belt.
At the beginning of the year, the kenpom zealots come out and you might as well not play the season. Happens every year.Link?
I agree with this strategy, especially if the Jays are only playing with essentially 6 players. Wear them down.
Better team? Yes, I believe so. Should we beat them? Not sure about that. Creighton has been really good defensively, particularly against pick and roll, which is what we need to get into our offense. They also are excellent at limiting good shots, so when your combine their ability to take away how we get good looks, and their ability to challenge what good looks we get, it's an uphill climb on offense.
The upside is they aren't a great rebounding team and aren't typically going to win the turnover battle, which should play into our favor, but in Milwaukee they were better protecting the ball and hitting the glass against us than they are on average.
This is just a tough matchup and I've got some definite reservations. One more thing to watch, Creighton is willing to play at the other team's pace. I think we want to speed them up and get them playing faster, particularly because neither Nembhard nor Alexander protect the ball well. I would use the Nova strategy and break out the press again. Probably our best shot at stealing the road win.
I think roster-wise this is a great matchup for Marquette.
Creighton has a slow big in Kalkbrenner, they don't shoot out of this world, and they aren't that deep.
Creighton in Nebraska is just a tough game, but I am rolling with the Golden Eagles in this one. I think they get the job done.
...Creighton fan here. The Jays actually play a cleaner game at a higher pace and are pretty good in transition. Your better opportunity is to bog us down in a half-court, end-of-shot-clock offensive situation. That said, if you were to press the entire game and not deviate from it even if we are breaking it, we probably will wear down as we did against Georgetown as the lead plummeted from 23 to 6 points.
This is just a tough matchup and I've got some definite reservations. One more thing to watch, Creighton is willing to play at the other team's pace. I think we want to speed them up and get them playing faster, particularly because neither Nembhard nor Alexander protect the ball well. I would use the Nova strategy and break out the press again. Probably our best shot at stealing the road win.
At the beginning of the year, the kenpom zealots come out and you might as well not play the season. Happens every year.
Creighton fan here. The Jays actually play a cleaner game at a higher pace and are pretty good in transition. Your better opportunity is to bog us down in a half-court, end-of-shot-clock offensive situation. That said, if you were to press the entire game and not deviate from it even if we are breaking it, we probably will wear down as we did against Georgetown as the lead plummeted from 23 to 6 points.
At the beginning of the year, the kenpom zealots come out and you might as well not play the season. Happens every year.
St. John's up 46-30 at the half at Carnesecca against Butler. They're shooting 64% for the half (Butler 55% from three). What a difference Posh Alexander makes for the Johnnies.
Now 86-53 with 2 1/2 minutes left. St. J: 62% FG, 52% 3pointers.
That Butler loss...
91-57. Yeah...that Butler loss. And let's hope this game was an anomaly for St. Johns. Do not want to see this in Milwaukee.
Now you know why many Scoopers were vehemently upset last Saturday. That Butler team is abysmal.. It was a putrid/horrendous loss. The good news is we have the talent to bounce back quickly and regain a top 5 tourney seed. The tenacity will be on full display Sunday and I think we all expect a THUNDEROUS response. Don't sleep on this MU team despite the Butler debacle.
I’m pretty tired
Well snap out of it Uncle R. This is no time to be insouciant or fatigued about the opportunities this team will have moving forward. There will be time for rest eventually. Have a pleasant evening and perhaps throw down a decent cup of coffee.
Well snap out of it Uncle R. This is no time to be insouciant or fatigued about the opportunities this team will have moving forward. There will be time for rest eventually. Have a pleasant evening and perhaps throw down a decent cup of coffee.
If you don't stay up for the next 48 hours, do you really love Marquette basketball?
I envy those that can sleep and I'm not judging anyone. As long as Uncle R and others are ready to go about 43 hours from now it's all good. I'm just concerned with Uncle R's apparent lack of energy.
Every game we've lost was because Rico wasn't alert enough. Effen Rico.
I’m going to smoke a bowl and pass outCan I join you?
Can I join you?
I don’t bogartHey, I think we're all tired here....
Can I join you?
UConn outplaying and outhustling the X. Every time I see X, they look terrible
Assuming this result holds, the top five teams in conference are beginning to gain some separation.
And then X comes out on 14-5 run to make it an 8 point game
That’ll cost them a seed line. Wonder if Hurley put his bench in too early?
I laughed at this.
That’ll cost them a seed line. Wonder if Hurley put his bench in too early?
I laughed at this.
But I don’t think we would be laughing if we end up as a 8 seed and lose first round when we could a been a 7 or 6 seed.
But keep fighting the good? Fight.
I laughed at this.
But I don’t think we would be laughing if we end up as a 8 seed and lose first round when we could a been a 7 or 6 seed.
But keep fighting the good? Fight.
Every game we've lost was because Rico wasn't alert enough. Effen Rico.
Within 3. Under 8 minutes on FOX.
19-9 Seton Hall leading DePaul with 7 minutes left in the 1st half on FS1. Pretty confident that this game won't end up in a 96-92 final when they last played.The Hall up 9 at half
Thrilling finish. Seton Hall wins by 2.It would not surprise me if DePaul goes on a run and wins a couple of games in The Big East Tournament
MU catching both Butler and DePaul as they are playing better
MU catching both Butler and DePaul as they are playing better
Butler is dangerous right now. I sure hope Marquette doesn’t allow this on Saturday. Let’s get a win today on the road and hold serve at home against the Bulldogs! Remember, this is the same Butler team that just got run out of the gym by St. John’s.
Hurley ejected.
That’s was straight BS
Nova just got hosed
Worst jump ball call of all time.
Grabbing head, neck and arms is not a tie up.
Worst charge call of allAnd they confirmed it
Time ?
Wright probably won't punch anyone. But those two calls were abysmal.
I missed it....how bad are we talking here?Brutal. Each of them were obviously wrong
Cole never even close to had position. That was a total ref show
I missed it....how bad are we talking here?The jump ball was 100x worse.
And they confirmed it
They reviewed the time left on the clock. Can’t review a foul call.My bad
UConn my least favorite team in the conference by quite a wide margin
How many threads on scoop if MU lost that way?Honestly, your second sentence was the first thought I had when the game was over.
And how many times would Clarissa defend the refs?
How many threads on scoop if MU lost that way?
On the tie up, Gillespie caught the ball and should’ve gone straight into a dribble, before the second defender got there. That woudl’ve ensured a foul. Rather, he immediately held the ball, giving the defense a chance to reach in. I’m not as convinced as others that it was a terrible call. They had been calling the game tight, and this fit the pattern.
The charge call was shyte. Cole was not set. (Though Gillespie was a bit out of control.)
Villanova lost when they could’ve and should’ve won, but it wasn’t that the refs stole it. It wasn’t that they choked. They didn’t execute at the end, and UConn did.
Great game.
I'm sure the Nova fans are very nonchalant about it.
On the tie up, Gillespie caught the ball and should’ve gone straight into a dribble, before the second defender got there. That woudl’ve ensured a foul. Rather, he immediately held the ball, giving the defense a chance to reach in. I’m not as convinced as others that it was a terrible call. They had been calling the game tight, and this fit the pattern.
The charge call was shyte. Cole was not set. (Though Gillespie was a bit out of control.)
Villanova lost when they could’ve and should’ve won, but it wasn’t that the refs stole it. It wasn’t that they choked. They didn’t execute at the end, and UConn did.
Great game.
Huh?
Calling it tight would had Cole called for 19 fouls
Yep, those were two bad calls. As someone else said, the jumpball call seemed really bad ... until that horrible charge call. Wow.
Of course, Nova also hurt themselves by missing the front end of a 1-and-1 that would have put them up 6 with very little time remaining.
I didn't see the Hurley ejection. Sounds like that was bogus too. But maybe it helped UConn down the stretch that Hurley was in the locker room - ha!
I said that poorly. Better to have said that the refs were trying to keep control of the game throughout. Best would’ve been to just leave that sentence/idea out.
So, again, I’m not as convinced as others that it was a terrible call.
I think you were right that Gillespie didn't do himself any favors with the way he played it, but it seemed like UConn players made material contact with him while going for the ball.
Yep, those were two bad calls. As someone else said, the jumpball call seemed really bad ... until that horrible charge call. Wow.
Fair enough. As the play evolved, with Gillespie not dribbling but hugging the ball, it seemed that the UConn players were reaching for the ball. I suppose, yes, they made material contact, yet they (or one at least) had hands (plural) on the ball. No surprise that it was called as it was. Certainly not terrible (like the charge moments later).
Excellent. We'll compromise!
And WTF are fans of a program like UConn doing storming the court after that win? Act like you’ve been there before.
I think you were right that Gillespie didn't do himself any favors with the way he played it, but it seemed like UConn players made material contact with him while going for the ball.
It was the first time in 8 years (since 2014 (https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/boxscores/2014-03-22-connecticut.html)) that UConn beat Nova. So the last UConn student to see a win vs. Nova is likely around 26 now.
I find UConn and its fans terribly annoying, so that was a disappointing finish to an outstanding game for sure.
The ending of the game was bad for Nova but didn’t we want UCONN to win? This way Nova stays in 2nd, UCONN 3rd, and then we should have the 4/5 spot and hopefully play Creighton then Providence
I was happy with the results
Wow. Finally saw the replay. That wasn't even close to a charge.Really, wasn't even close. It was close!
The ending of the game was bad for Nova but didn’t we want UCONN to win? This way Nova stays in 2nd, UCONN 3rd, and then we should have the 4/5 spot and hopefully play Creighton then Providence
I was happy with the results
It was the first time in 8 years (since 2014 (https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/boxscores/2014-03-22-connecticut.html)) that UConn beat Nova. So the last UConn student to see a win vs. Nova is likely around 26 now.…the last Marquette freshmen class to experience a Marquette ncaa tourney win is what, ‘bout 28 now?
@brew does SJU get in at 11-8?
St. John's up on Creighton 46-37 on FS1.X up 28-24
Xavier up early on Providence 8-7 on CBSSN.
A major injury to the heart and soul of Creighton’s team. This is awful. I feel badly for Nemhard. His season is probably over.
Knee?
That really sucks for them. Wonder if the committee uses it against them if he’s out and they stumble late.
Brew gonna lose a lot of sleep, could decimate his S-Curve success
Well St Johns gave that one away.
Looks like Champagnie had a brutal outing.
MU isn't alone.
Creighton is quite the phlegmatic bunch!
Condensation at the Providence game…..
Gotta think this game could get suspended.
The roof is leaking. I’ve seen it all.
They said it's 65 today. Yet, it's 9:15 at night. Why is the building leaking now.
Poor CSU and Wyoming fans. They don't get on TV often and their game is already halfway through the second half
Poor CSU and Wyoming fans. They don't get on TV often and their game is already halfway through the second half
Foul up 3 with 8 seconds……dont foul with 3 seconds.Makes sense.
This game has outlasted your typical NFL affair. We have a few hours to get to your average MLB game.
If Butler wins, MU goes 3 for 3 tonight.
How's that?
We really do NOT want to play in the 6-11 game in the Big Easy Tournament. This is creating some separation between us (5) and Hall/X (6)
Yes, the 5 spot looks better after tonight.
Frankly, Cooley's coaching sucked tonight, at least after I turned on the game with 4 minutes left in regulation.
So much of the time, Bynum or Durham bounced the ball for 28 seconds and ended up hoisting up a prayer. The idiotic foul/no-foul. His team acting as if it had never seen a zone defense. Just about never getting the ball to Watson - not even looking his way.
With Seton Hall getting the win they are only 1 game behind MU in the conference race (9-7 vs 8-8). Of course if Marquette wins out they will hold that #5 seed at least. But even if we end up tied with Hall I think we would win the tiebreaker. We split with them, but if the next tiebreaker is "best win" we have a W over Providence and two over Nova so we should be set there.
With Seton Hall getting the win they are only 1 game behind MU in the conference race (9-7 vs 8-8). Of course if Marquette wins out they will hold that #5 seed at least. But even if we end up tied with Hall I think we would win the tiebreaker. We split with them, but if the next tiebreaker is "best win" we have a W over Providence and two over Nova so we should be set there.
We beat them twice.
Their luck will run out. Despite their seed I don't expect. much from them in the tournament.
You are likely right Muggsy, but put their season into a non-metrics perspective…
They are 23-3, 13-2 in the Big East.
That’s a 1 seed in a non metrics centric season. Instead, they are a projected 4 seed… At first thought you might consider them “lucky” because of all their close wins. On the flip side, you could argue they are “unlucky” because those close games, although still wins, coupled by a blowout loss at Marquette is costing them 3 seed lines and giving them a much harder road.
Welcome to an era where computers decide way too much, for good or bad.
Well I'd rather play Creighton than UCONN if we wind up 4 or 5.
Agreed, this is why I was pulling for St. John's tonight. UConn and Creighton are now tied for 3-spot and Creighton owns the tiebreaker at the moment. It could all come down to the UConn/Creighton game in Omaha on March 2nd. Winner most likely gets the the three seed.
It certainly looks that way alrhough it's conceivable Creighton coukd beat UCONN and go 1-2.
Sure. It's also conceivable that Creighton could be UCONN and go 1-2 and UConn could lose one of their 2 other games.
Bottom line, if Marquette wins at least 2 of their remaining 3 (which should absolutely should be expected) they are guaranteed at least the 5 seed. If they win at least 1, then either Seton Hall, St. John's, or both will need to go 3-0 in order to force MU out of the top 5. So let's just take care of business and no one needs to worry about tiebreakers or who to cheer for.
Creighton got a tough schedule basically have to go 2-1 to get that 3 seed.
Ryan Nembhard likely is done with a broken wrist.
Frankly, Cooley's coaching sucked tonight, at least after I turned on the game with 4 minutes left in regulation.
So much of the time, Bynum or Durham bounced the ball for 28 seconds and ended up hoisting up a prayer. The idiotic foul/no-foul. His team acting as if it had never seen a zone defense. Just about never getting the ball to Watson - not even looking his way.
I haven’t watched a whole lot of them this year, has this happened before a lot in their close wins or did they actually run a cohesive offense?
Their luck will run out. Despite their seed I don't expect. much from them in the tournament.
…the last Marquette freshmen class to experience a Marquette ncaa tourney win is what, ‘bout 28 now?
I don't see UCONN losing to Gtown or DePaul at home.
Well I'd rather play Creighton than UCONN if we wind up 4 or 5.There is no difference. They both own Shaka. McDermott outcomes Shaka each time.
There is no difference. They both own Shaka. McDermott outcomes Shaka each time.
I haven't watched them much either, so I'll defer to those who have. Maybe injuries and foul situations (and Xavier's defense?) dictated some of what they did in this one.
I would say that was unusual down the stretch. They usually don't rely on one guy carrying them so much, and a few have shown the ability and tendency to make big shots down the stretch. Coming out on top with Reeves out and Durham so limited was somewhat surprising, especially with Watson pretty much invisible all night. Xavier played great D on a lot of possession and Prov ends up making a big late in the shot clock shot. They did the same against Butler after being way behind.
As much crap as they are taking for being "lucky," and they certainly are having a charmed season, 23-3 and 13-2 is damn impressive. I don't know that Prov will have a long tourney run, but they deserve props and to enjoy the hell out of an all-time magical season. It's also good for the conf to have someone other than Nova win it outright in my opinion.
I would say that was unusual down the stretch. They usually don't rely on one guy carrying them so much, and a few have shown the ability and tendency to make big shots down the stretch. Coming out on top with Reeves out and Durham so limited was somewhat surprising, especially with Watson pretty much invisible all night. Xavier played great D on a lot of possession and Prov ends up making a big late in the shot clock shot. They did the same against Butler after being way behind.
As much crap as they are taking for being "lucky," and they certainly are having a charmed season, 23-3 and 13-2 is damn impressive. I don't know that Prov will have a long tourney run, but they deserve props and to enjoy the hell out of an all-time magical season. It's also good for the conf to have someone other than Nova win it outright in my opinion.
There is no difference. They both own Shaka. McDermott outcomes Shaka each time.
True. Give them credit rather than constantly beating the "they're just lucky" drum.
Look guys, Eeyore is back. If all you feel about Marquette basketball is sadness, maybe find something else to occupy your time.
Good ol' Joyless Willie.
The last 20 seconds of that half was the most Georgetown and DePaul thing ever.
Chick Hernandez and Pete Gillen earning their pay by exhibiting enthusiasm for this game
Tonight was probably Georgetown's last realistic chance for a Big East win. They will likely be double digit underdogs in their remaining games and their first BET game will be against a Xavier or Seton Hall team in need of a win.
At best, Georgetown could win 3 conference games. The last time they won only 3 conference games was 1937 in the short-lived Eastern Intercollegiate Conference. They haven't hit rock bottom yet either, they went 1-7 in the EIC in 1935. Ewing could bring them their first ever oh-fer in conference play.
Tonight was probably Georgetown's last realistic chance for a Big East win. They will likely be double digit underdogs in their remaining games and their first BET game will be against a Xavier or Seton Hall team in need of a win.
At best, Georgetown could win 3 conference games. The last time they won only 3 conference games was 1937 in the short-lived Eastern Intercollegiate Conference. They haven't hit rock bottom yet either, they went 1-7 in the EIC in 1935. Ewing could bring them their first ever oh-fer in conference play.
I assume we want X today? Not a good half for them.
Xavier has their wojo.
Don't think he survives this year.
Xavier is not going to fire a coach who makes the ncaa tournament.
Agreed...but depending on how they feel about Chris Mack coming back...I could see an exception being made
Scruggs has basically been the exact same player for 4 years.Feels like 10.
Lots of good hair in The Hall X game
Richmond,Rhoden for the Hall
Edwards, Jones for X
Heck with the hair.Yes the crowd noise has definitely been helping The Big East Cause. Today The Hall shut down the crowd noise though and the fans left early.
How was the crowd noise on TV? Did it help the BE "Cause"?
Yes the crowd noise has definitely been helping The Big East Cause. Today The Hall shut down the crowd noise though and the fans left early.
Scruggs has basically been the exact same player for 4 years.
A couple of posts from their message board sound awfully familiar:I guess I wouldn't blame X for making a change but Sean Miller? He's probably too dirty for even KU or Baylor or Memphis or LSU. I can't stand cheaters and don't want them in the BE.
“Students just chanted “fire Steele”. Guessing someone told them to stop. Didn’t last long but was clearly audible. Hard to argue with them. That’s the first time I have ever heard chants to fire our coach before. Sad state of this program.”
“For the first time in my life I’m hoping X loses out , this will force Christopher’s hand. Steele has to go and we need to start the rebuild, hopefully with Sean Miller.”
Looking ahead to the BE tourney and conference standings. Creighton has two difficult games left and we have two easier games. What happens if both teams and up with the same conference record? What is the tiebreaker to determine who finished in fourth place?
Pretty cool post-game at the Dunk.
“Students just chanted “fire Steele”. Guessing someone told them to stop. Didn’t last long but was clearly audible. Hard to argue with them. That’s the first time I have ever heard chants to fire our coach before. Sad state of this program.”
Congrats to theFIFYFriarsCooley & Company.
Could we call them 'Ners? 'The Dence?
ProvideNcE friaRS.
Asking for a friend.
Another week from insufferable Badgers as RED goes top 10.
U Conn with a solid road victory over a hungry Georgetown squad
Another week from insufferable Badgers as RED goes top 10.
Hate four y'all ta pee down each udder's legs, butt Bucky deserves ta bea wranked wear dayer at, hey?
Marquette's next two opponents playing each other right now on FS1.
Who said otherwise?
Hate four y'all ta pee down each udder's legs, butt Bucky deserves ta bea wranked wear dayer at, hey?
Could we call them 'Ners? 'Depends...could they dunk in high school?
ProvideNcE friaRS.
Asking for a friend.
DePaul wins.
Our magic number for the bye is now a softer 1 between just us and SHU. SJU out of the running.
St John’s mailing it in on D.
Rumors that mega booster Mike Repole (Vitamin Water and BodyArmor) is courting Sean Miller and willing to pay up. He’s had a poor relationship with SJ but with a new President that could be changing. He flew to Gainesville to offer Billy Donovan $3 million when they hired Lavin.
Which has…what to do with the Big East?absolutely nothing
St John’s mailing it in on D.
Rumors that mega booster Mike Repole (Vitamin Water and BodyArmor) is courting Sean Miller and willing to pay up. He’s had a poor relationship with SJ but with a new President that could be changing. He flew to Gainesville to offer Billy Donovan $3 million when they hired Lavin.
The problems at St. John's predate Mike Anderson by two decades. Not only have the Redmen not won a title in 22 years, they haven't made it out of the quarterfinals since 2000, for three consistent reasons:
1. Insufficient recruiting in NYC and a lack of recruiting contacts outside it.
2. The style of play lends to no consistent player development.
3. Player retention. Very few stay even three years at St. John's so it's constant rinse and repeat.
Another small crowd at Georgetown.
https://twitter.com/ChrisCillizza/status/1498003232781709318
So much for my prediction that Ewing will "do the right thing" for his beloved Hoyas. This is going to get really messy. I wonder how many of his current players will transfer at the end of this total fiasco of a season.
So much for my prediction that Ewing will "do the right thing" for his beloved Hoyas. This is going to get really messy. I wonder how many of his current players will transfer at the end of this total fiasco of a season.
Is it a bad thing if their players transfer?
Not at all. Actually, if Ewing is serious about thinking that Georgetown will give him another year, the departure of players may make it easier for GT to say "no way!" to Ewing.
Georgetown under Ewing will almost certainly continue to be a drain on the BE as well as an embarrassment. There is little to gain by beating them unless you blow them out. Marquette's NET got dinged for not beating them by a wider margin. The sooner Ewing is gone, the better for the BE.
Not at all. Actually, if Ewing is serious about thinking that Georgetown will give him another year, the departure of players may make it easier for GT to say "no way!" to Ewing.
Georgetown under Ewing will almost certainly continue to be a drain on the BE as well as an embarrassment. There is little to gain by beating them unless you blow them out. Marquette's NET got dinged for not beating them by a wider margin. The sooner Ewing is gone, the better for the BE.
I meant is it a bad thing for Ewing if his players transfer? His players aren't very good anyway. If they're gone, so what?
I meant is it a bad thing for Ewing if his players transfer? His players aren't very good anyway. If they're gone, so what?
Not at all. Actually, if Ewing is serious about thinking that Georgetown will give him another year, the departure of players may make it easier for GT to say "no way!" to Ewing.
Georgetown under Ewing will almost certainly continue to be a drain on the BE as well as an embarrassment. There is little to gain by beating them unless you blow them out. Marquette's NET got dinged for not beating them by a wider margin. The sooner Ewing is gone, the better for the BE.
So much for my prediction that Ewing will "do the right thing" for his beloved Hoyas. This is going to get really messy. I wonder how many of his current players will transfer at the end of this total fiasco of a season.Mohammed to MU
Is it really? In conference, the Big East is a zero-sum game. If they don't lose 17 games, someone else is going to have to pick up those losses. The bid-maximizing formula for the league is for a handful of teams to absorb as many of the league's losses as possible. The more losses Georgetown takes, the more likely it is that Xaiver or Seton Hall have a shot at making the tourney.
Agreed. The dream scenario is to have your bottom feeders like that 2020 DePaul team. Go 12-1 in non-con, then lose to everyone in league play (except Marquette...doh). I think in terms of bid maximization, you want 3 teams that are absolutely terrible and everyone else to be good. If your top 8 teams are banking 5-6 wins off the bottom 3, they only need to go 5-9 against the rest of the league to have a legit shot at a bid.
Is it really? In conference, the Big East is a zero-sum game. If they don't lose 17 games, someone else is going to have to pick up those losses. The bid-maximizing formula for the league is for a handful of teams to absorb as many of the league's losses as possible. The more losses Georgetown takes, the more likely it is that Xaiver or Seton Hall have a shot at making the tourney.
Georgetown's favor of absorbing all the losses is a big part as to why the league is on the verge of seven NCAA bids, equalling the largest number of teams making the tournament since the restructuring. That's hardly an embarrassment for the league. Obviously it is for Georgetown, but if they didn't lose someone else would have to.
Nothing could be better for the Big East than for Georgetown to continue to absorb the league's losses. Especially now that it looks like DePaul might actually be getting serious about trying to win.
Is it really? In conference, the Big East is a zero-sum game. If they don't lose 17 games, someone else is going to have to pick up those losses. The bid-maximizing formula for the league is for a handful of teams to absorb as many of the league's losses as possible. The more losses Georgetown takes, the more likely it is that Xaiver or Seton Hall have a shot at making the tourney.
Georgetown's favor of absorbing all the losses is a big part as to why the league is on the verge of seven NCAA bids, equalling the largest number of teams making the tournament since the restructuring. That's hardly an embarrassment for the league. Obviously it is for Georgetown, but if they didn't lose someone else would have to.
Nothing could be better for the Big East than for Georgetown to continue to absorb the league's losses. Especially now that it looks like DePaul might actually be getting serious about trying to win.
Agreed. The dream scenario is to have your bottom feeders like that 2020 DePaul team. Go 12-1 in non-con, then lose to everyone in league play (except Marquette...doh). I think in terms of bid maximization, you want 3 teams that are absolutely terrible and everyone else to be good. If your top 8 teams are banking 5-6 wins off the bottom 3, they only need to go 5-9 against the rest of the league to have a legit shot at a bid.
Yes, but not "absolutely terrible". NET under 150 (?) so they are eminently beatable by the tourney-worthy teams in the conference and can win some decent non-con games. If they are absolutely terrible our net suffers when we beat them by only 10 points.
Brew77, you're the NET guy--what would you say would be the ideal NET range for the bottom three in order to maximize bids for the other eight?
When a team is as bad as GT, of what value is a win? If you do not blow them out, you can get dinged in your NET as we did. I get that a couple of teams being the perennial cellar dwellers helps out the teams above them, but a "200 something" team?
Edit: I think Marquette will be in the top three next year. If the bottom becomes stronger, but not strong enough to beat us (a big if admittedly), we move up in NET rating. Also, we could afford a few somewhat close wins over the bottom teams without needing to blow them out.
Nothing could be better for the Big East than for Georgetown to continue to absorb the league's losses. Especially now that it looks like DePaul might actually be getting serious about trying to win.
Someone needs to be in last place.
Well, it needs to be someone else. Georgetown spends $13.8 million a year and if last place is all they are capable of, dropping their budget to that of the football team ($2.0 million) might get some attention and a little more care and concern.
Anyway, I nominate Butler to take their place.
Mohammed to MU
Well, it needs to be someone else. Georgetown spends $13.8 million a year and if last place is all they are capable of, dropping their budget to that of the football team ($2.0 million) might get some attention and a little more care and concern.Didnt mean to offend. I hear it every year. It is more commentary on the scoopers who pick Team X….and say the Big East needs: St Johns to be better…..we need DePaul to better………It will be great for the BIg East when UConn joins.
Anyway, I nominate Butler to take their place.
Anyway, I nominate Butler to take their place.Seton Hall. The answer is Seton Hall.
If “MU” is a G league or NBA team, then sure.Ah, you and dad share a (lack of) sense of humor, too
If you want to see what this looks like in reality, look at the ACC this year. The two teams tied for last (Georgia Tech and NC State) each have four wins. The worst NET team (Pitt) has six wins in conference. Their cellar is winning enough games to have some semblance of respectability with respect to conference records.
So is the rest of the ACC reaping the NET rewards that come from having more strength at the bottom of their conference?
Well, it needs to be someone else.
For Georgetown, it's the same. You're the only ones that care, so if you want to be relevant, you need to be the ones to push your administration to do something about it.
Actually, it doesn't. We probably thought the same thing here when we were picked to win the inaugural reformed Big East in 2014 and we finished sixth and out of the tourney before falling to last in 2015. But the Big East chugged right along and Nova won two titles with Marquette's positioning having no bearing.
Georgetown could go 0-for-the-Big-East for the next decade and as long as we're getting 6-7 bids as a league and getting some deep runs elsewhere, the league will be fine and no one outside your alumni base will care.
Would it be nice for Georgetown to be relevant? Sure, I guess, but it's no more important than the two biggest media markets of St John's or DePaul being relevant. As long as the league as a whole does well, the individual programs aren't that important.
Look around the country. The Big 10 has done fine with an irrelevant Indiana. The SEC has continued with Florida falling to mediocrity. The ACC's struggles aren't because of any one program, but because they are all having down years at the same time.
I accept that Marquette doesn't matter to the national or Big East landscape. I'm also glad Marquette's administration made the move they did because it DOES matter to us. For Georgetown, it's the same. You're the only ones that care, so if you want to be relevant, you need to be the ones to push your administration to do something about it.
Maybe we should add UIC and St. Thomas to the BE.
Actually, it doesn't. We probably thought the same thing here when we were picked to win the inaugural reformed Big East in 2014 and we finished sixth and out of the tourney before falling to last in 2015. But the Big East chugged right along and Nova won two titles with Marquette's positioning having no bearing.I agree with this analysis
Georgetown could go 0-for-the-Big-East for the next decade and as long as we're getting 6-7 bids as a league and getting some deep runs elsewhere, the league will be fine and no one outside your alumni base will care.
Would it be nice for Georgetown to be relevant? Sure, I guess, but it's no more important than the two biggest media markets of St John's or DePaul being relevant. As long as the league as a whole does well, the individual programs aren't that important.
Look around the country. The Big 10 has done fine with an irrelevant Indiana. The SEC has continued with Florida falling to mediocrity. The ACC's struggles aren't because of any one program, but because they are all having down years at the same time.
I accept that Marquette doesn't matter to the national or Big East landscape. I'm also glad Marquette's administration made the move they did because it DOES matter to us. For Georgetown, it's the same. You're the only ones that care, so if you want to be relevant, you need to be the ones to push your administration to do something about it.
it looks as if, unless he leaves on his own accord, Ewing is back on the sidelines for Gtown next season:
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1499068685985660929/photo/1
it looks as if, unless he leaves on his own accord, Ewing is back on the sidelines for Gtown next season:
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1499068685985660929/photo/1
it looks as if, unless he leaves on his own accord, Ewing is back on the sidelines for Gtown next season:
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1499068685985660929/photo/1
Dreaded vote of confidence.
X is in big trouble
They're officially a dumpster fire.
Seeing a lot of Travis Steele the next Wojo talk.
Never thought I’d live to see GTown go winless in the Big East.
Wouldn't call X a lock yet.
Shaka Wojciechowski?
X feasted on The Hoyas. My guess is they will need to soundly trounce Butler to secure their spot in the tournament .
X led by 24 at the half, let off the gas late, won by 22.COLE (just messing with ya)
It's really difficult to lose 20 in a row, but there you go.
Mike Anderson The Johnnies coach keeps up his streak of never having a losing season.
So you want both Creighton and Nova to win the tourney? No need to watch I guess.I want Nova to win the tourney best for MU. If Creighton wins that is good for The Big East overall
Der iz know whey MU iz inn and Creighton iz out, aina?Is anybody arguing this? Both are locks
Is anybody arguing this? Both are locks4ever has been snorting grains lately.
Impressive overtime win for Creighton
Kalkbrenner went down with a painful knee injury. Hope for the best for the young man.
Seton Hall embarrassed the league with that loss to TCUthe embarrassment is all Shaka’s
Nate Johnson had 16 points to lead five Xavier players in double figures as the Musketeers defeated Florida 72-56 in the NIT second round on Sunday.
Jack Nunge added 12 points Colby Jones chipped in 11, Dwon Odom scored 10 and Zach Freemantle had 10. Odom also had seven rebounds.
Good article in The Tennessean on X and Vandy
https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/vanderbilt/2022/03/21/scouting-vanderbilt-basketball-vs-xavier-nit-quarterfinals/9454413002/
They like X by a touchdown:
"Xavier 65, Vanderbilt 58: The Commodores' overtime win in the last round catches up to them as fatigue sets in and a large Musketeers team is able to embrace the home-field advantage."
Gotta love SEC coverage of basketball. ;D
Good article in The Tennessean on X and Vandy
https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/vanderbilt/2022/03/21/scouting-vanderbilt-basketball-vs-xavier-nit-quarterfinals/9454413002/
X on their way to The Garden to play The Bonnie’s in Semis
Rematch of the 1958 NIT Semis
https://xuathletics.exposure.co/1958-nit-championship
Are St. Bonnie's fans flooding the Xavier boards to proclaim their greatness?
It would not surprise me. Last night two players SBU mocked UVA fans by waving goodbye for a while after the game ending block. I remember that St. Bonaventure has one of the oldest squads, but they acted like Middle School kids when they did that.
Last night two players SBU mocked UVA fans by waving goodbye for a while after the game ending block. I remember that St. Bonaventure has one of the oldest squads, but they looked like Middle School kids when they did that.
I donno, they're on the road (not a neutral site) in the postseason, and were trailing for most of the game. I also imagine they were being heckled along the way. They came back and won at the end, let the kids have their fun!
Nope. Win with class. Character revealed.
I'm gonna have to get that Country Roads song on my iTunes...
Were you OK with Buzz dancing to Country Roads? Is that classy?
He wasn't gesturing towards anyone.
I can't believe Al would climb on the scorer's table after beating Wisconsin. No class!
I donno, they're on the road (not a neutral site) in the postseason, and were trailing for most of the game. I also imagine they were being heckled along the way. They came back and won at the end, let the kids have their fun!
I'm also a "let the kids have fun" proponent. But I do have to admit that my very first reaction to it was, "Come on. You guys were supposed to be great this year, and this is what it's come to? Trash-talking after an NIT win?"
I'm also a "let the kids have fun" proponent. But I do have to admit that my very first reaction to it was, "Come on. You guys were supposed to be great this year, and this is what it's come to? Trash-talking after an NIT win?"
Providence was on a roll, down 4 with the ball and about 2:00 left when Durham made a very poor decision. Went one on three and put up a wild shot that Kansas rebounded. You could tell that he was going to take that shot, team offense and shot quality be damned! That was all it wrote for Providence. Too bad.The announcers pointed that out as well. Was unfortunate that they didn’t work the ball around for a better shot
Providence was on a roll, down 4 with the ball and about 2:00 left when Durham made a very poor decision. Went one on three and put up a wild shot that Kansas rebounded. You could tell that he was going to take that shot, team offense and shot quality be damned! That was all it wrote for Providence. Too bad.
Good article on Bryan Antoine
https://www.nj.com/setonhall/2022/03/nj-native-bryan-antoine-will-have-a-great-opportunity-for-villanova-in-final-four-after-star-gets-injured.html
Theres probably a ton of nerves on his end, but I hope not. He's good enough to be on Villanova after all. Must be a pretty exciting time to know your role is increasing on the biggest stage of all.
Good luck to Antoine and Villanova.
I know injuries have derailed his playing time, and playing style I'm sure. And I don't think they expect huge production out of him. But it's crazy that when a star goes down Jay can just grab a 5 star McD AA from his bench to use.hes a good kid but he genuinly might be the most over rated burger boy in history. he has shown zero on the court.
hes a good kid but he genuinly might be the most over rated burger boy in history. he has shown zero on the court.
hes a good kid but he genuinly might be the most over rated burger boy in history. he has shown zero on the court.Bryan never played healthy. So we never saw his full potential.
X at Bonnie’s tonight in The Garden .
Bonnie’s have been playing strong lately so X needs its best effort .
Xavier was fun to watch in their game to get to the Garden last week, I had more fun watching their game against Vanderbilt than many of the big NCAA Tourney games of the last week.
Xavier will be a scary team next year. Granted they’re playing NIT competition, but they look to be a completely different team since the firing.
Half their team will enter the portal. And Johnson and Scruggs are for sure gone.
Sean Miller is reaching out to transfers to fill the spots. They might still be good, it will just likely be a different team.
Sean Miller is reaching out to transfers to fill the spots. They might still be good, it will just likely be a different team.
At the McDonald's AA game, and Nova-bound Cam Whitmore is easily one of the best players on the court, at least tonight. Seems like he might be a problem for the Big East.Prototype Big East Switchable. Love how Nova just reloads every year with guys like this.
X in the finals.
Buzz up 6 at half over DJ Rodman and Washington State in the other semi.
Buzz vs. BE for a banner.probably could start a thread with this thought.
With Nova alive BE can win the double. Accordingly to this, the last (only?) time teams from the same conference one both NIT & NCAA is 2006.
https://www.secrant.com/rant/sec-football/has-a-conference-ever-had-the-ncaa-and-nit-champion-in-the-same-season/101855258/
probably could start a thread with this thought.
Marquette makes the ncaa and gets smoked in historic fashion. However, was it important for MU in Shaka’s 1st season here to make the ncaa despite the a$$ kick? Or, if winning the NIT was a lock, would that have been a better outcome for the season?
Winning the NIT means 4 more games. National tv exposure. Raising a banner. Getting ncaa road-killed means?
Losing in the first round of the NCAAs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Winning the NIT.
Agree.
But that doesn't mean Scoopers would have had the same visceral gut-punch reaction to the season had we barely missed the NCAAs but made a run in the NIT.
Buzz vs. BE for a banner.
With Nova alive BE can win the double. Accordingly to this, the last (only?) time teams from the same conference one both NIT & NCAA is 2006.
https://www.secrant.com/rant/sec-football/has-a-conference-ever-had-the-ncaa-and-nit-champion-in-the-same-season/101855258/
Buzz backs up his harsh criticism of the NCAA committee by pummeling Oregon, Wake Forest, and Washington State by 15.
A&M got shafted not getting into the NCAA. Guys who can coach, can coach. No surprise to see Buzz once again having March success. I suspect they'll beat Xavier for the championship. Their late season surge has A&M up to 33 in Ken Pom.
Buzz backs up his harsh criticism of the NCAA committee by pummeling Oregon, Wake Forest, and Washington State by 15.
A&M got shafted not getting into the NCAA. Guys who can coach, can coach. No surprise to see Buzz once again having March success. I suspect they'll beat Xavier for the championship. Their late season surge has A&M up to 33 in Ken Pom.
Losing in the first round of the NCAAs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Winning the NIT.
That said, the NIT run in 2018 at the Al was a ton of fun. Far more fun than watching us get hammered by South Carolina, Murray State, or North Carolina. I understand the NIT doesn't have nearly the exposure, but as far as the fan experience goes, partaking in those games deep into March is a lot more fun than getting blasted on day one and having nothing left to cheer for.
From a 10 years down the line perspective, when Greg Gumbel is saying "...and seeking back-to-back Final Fours we have the 2-seed in the Midwest, Marquette, who has made the NCAA Tournament in every season under head coach Shaka Smart" I agree. That said, the NIT run in 2018 at the Al was a ton of fun. Far more fun than watching us get hammered by South Carolina, Murray State, or North Carolina. I understand the NIT doesn't have nearly the exposure, but as far as the fan experience goes, partaking in those games deep into March is a lot more fun than getting blasted on day one and having nothing left to cheer for.
I’ll respectfully disagree that 2018 was exciting. I was really bummed that the team didn’t make the tournament with Howard, Rowsey and Hauser and thought it was a huge step back from the previous season.
It did seem like there was a ton of excitement around that NIT run and I can’t recall why the fan sentiment was so high after missing the dance. Maybe there’s nothing more to it than people were just excited we had some young players on the roster with some good potential.
I’ll respectfully disagree that 2018 was exciting. I was really bummed that the team didn’t make the tournament with Howard, Rowsey and Hauser and thought it was a huge step back from the previous season.
It did seem like there was a ton of excitement around that NIT run and I can’t recall why the fan sentiment was so high after missing the dance. Maybe there’s nothing more to it than people were just excited we had some young players on the roster with some good potential.
Were you in the building for the games? It was a tough ticket and they were selling well over face value on the secondary market, but the Al was electric to be in. In terms of gameday energy and experience, I would put it up there with any of the best days at the BC or Fiserv. In the past 20 years, the only clear better atmosphere I've been in for a live game was Minneapolis in 2003. It wasn't as loud as Jake's shot against Syracuse, didn't have quite the euphoric after-effects of Nova in 2017, but from whistle to whistle those games were awesome to be at.
Yeah the arena size is better. That's the only thing better about it though. The Fiserv is awesome, but it's also too big for college basketball. Get an 8,000-10,000 seat on campus arena and every game would have the same atmosphere as the NIT games, but the regular season games would actually mean something.
Yeah the arena size is better. That's the only thing better about it though. The Fiserv is awesome, but it's also too big for college basketball. Get an 8,000-10,000 seat on campus arena and every game would have the same atmosphere as the NIT games, but the regular season games would actually mean something.
We're back to this huh?
I'm not saying it will ever happen, or even should (kind of depends on the rent that the NY billionaires are charging). But for the best college basketball viewing experience, 8,000-10,000 seat arenas are without question better than huge NBA arenas.
Were you in the building for the games? It was a tough ticket and they were selling well over face value on the secondary market, but the Al was electric to be in. In terms of gameday energy and experience, I would put it up there with any of the best days at the BC or Fiserv. In the past 20 years, the only clear better atmosphere I've been in for a live game was Minneapolis in 2003. It wasn't as loud as Jake's shot against Syracuse, didn't have quite the euphoric after-effects of Nova in 2017, but from whistle to whistle those games were awesome to be at.
They could triple the rent and it still wouldn't make fiscal sense for MU to build and operate it's own arena.Agreed. I was at those games at The Al for the NIT. Sure the crowds were great, but the negatives far outweighed that. Consider that game at the BC against Western Michigan in the NIT. That was a a desolate feeling. Sometimes things just work out ok for on campus games in the NIT, but……
I want nothing to do with an on-campus facility. MU has an incredibly unique situation. Pro arena, great amenities, better game production capabilities. Bars/dining right there, all a manageable walk/short shuttle ride from campus.
I couldn't care less if the capacity is a few thousand too many. MU is in a great spot.
Watching the games on television, they were fine. It's always good to watch Marquette basketball. But they didn't move the needle much for me other than thinking "that's nice." I couldn't tell you right now who they beat...I know they lost to Penn State.
Were you in the building for the games? It was a tough ticket and they were selling well over face value on the secondary market, but the Al was electric to be in. In terms of gameday energy and experience, I would put it up there with any of the best days at the BC or Fiserv. In the past 20 years, the only clear better atmosphere I've been in for a live game was Minneapolis in 2003. It wasn't as loud as Jake's shot against Syracuse, didn't have quite the euphoric after-effects of Nova in 2017, but from whistle to whistle those games were awesome to be at.
I wish they could play a few of those buy games at the Al when the students are gone. I’ve stopped going to them at Fiserv, but would definitely consider if it was at the Al.
Good article on X win last night over The Bonnies. Commentary on how it felt like a road game with all the Bonnie faithful who showed up at the game.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2022/03/29/nit-championship-xavier-musketeers-beat-st-bonaventure-advance/7210882001/
I think that went off the board when we played Alabama A&M. The NCAA initially said that game at the Al wouldn't count toward average attendance. But then they changed their mind after the game was played and Marquette lost their streak of top-15 attendance seasons.
MU actually used that talking point to decide where to play a game? Why is that so important? And, if it is important, then now that "the streak" is broken, they shouldn't factor that fact into their future decision process.
Honestly, I don't know if that was a good coaching job, or if Xavier is just better without scruggs.If Hayes stays he will likely be the Head Coach for a while next season depending on how long a suspension Sean Miller serves. So we will find out if he can keep up the momentum.
Yesss! And beating Buzz with a school that does not have D1 FB makes it even sweeter.
Honestly, I don't know if that was a good coaching job, or if Xavier is just better without scruggs.Yeah, never been a Scruggs fan. Good guy, but basket-ball wise just addition by subtraction. It happens.
I don't know what this NIT run says about Travis Steele...I just know that whatever it is, it ain't positive
I don't know what this NIT run says about Travis Steele...I just know that whatever it is, it ain't positive
X is going to be a problem with Miller.
Agree with this. But that's OK. I like being in a great conference surrounded by outstanding teams. We have had times in our not-too-distant past when we competed favorably in such an environment. Heck, one could argue that we competed pretty favorably in such an environment this past season, at least for a month-plus.it’s a distant past.
Shaka needs to do what he's being paid millions to do -- make other BE team's fans say: "Marquette has become a huge problem with Smart."
Not sure if it has been mentioned, and if so, I apologize. Big East looking to complete the Grand Slam. NCAA champs in both men's and women's, NIT champs in both men's and women's.If that happened they could market The Big East as Conference of Champions
If that happened they could market The Big East as Conference of Champions
Hopefully Nova can regroup in the second half
Nova just needs to come out strong in the second half and make a game out of it
Nova just needs to come out strong in the second half and make a game out of it
Seton Hall women got smacked at South Dakota State. Very impressive crowd.U Conn Women still alive
Big East Mens season finally over .
Except for Theo John.Theo John doing Theo John things
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