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Uncle Rico

Add Ewing to the list of coaches that should be fired along with Mike Anderson and Jay Wright
Guster is for Lovers

brewcity77

St John's already needs to win the Big East tourney for a NCAA bid and it's not even Christmas.

MuggsyB

PC or Providence College is up 6 late on UCONN at UCONN.

Billy Hoyle

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 18, 2021, 03:34:06 PM
St John's already needs to win the Big East tourney for a NCAA bid and it's not even Christmas.

Laughable overreaction. Not having Champagnie will be factored into today's loss. 12-6 in BE play will do it, especially with a dearth of quality Power 5 at large candidates.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 18, 2021, 06:26:36 PM
Laughable overreaction. Not having Champagnie will be factored into today's loss. 12-6 in BE play will do it, especially with a dearth of quality Power 5 at large candidates.

Well, they're 78th in KenPom and their best win is Monmouth.  They're projected to go 8-12 in league which seems much more likely than 12-6 or 13-7 or 12-8.

They entered today 86th in NET.  Brew is pretty close to being right and is so at the moment.
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Herman Cain

Big win for Cooley & Company. Beat their local rival which is always a sweet thing .
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

MuggsyB

Quote from: Herman Cain on December 18, 2021, 07:14:17 PM
Big win for Cooley & Company. Beat their local rival which is always a sweet thing .

I just saw the last 5 mins but it looked like brick city for UCONN.  Hopefully they shoot like that on Tues.  We desperately need that game. 

rocky_warrior

Quote from: MuggsyB on December 18, 2021, 07:17:59 PM
I just saw the last 5 mins but it looked like brick city for UCONN.  Hopefully they shoot like that on Tues.  We desperately need that game.

I know prior games don't really matter, but I would have preferred they blew out PC today and came in to the FF feeling confident, as opposed to hungry for a win.

Billy Hoyle

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 18, 2021, 06:29:42 PM
Well, they're 78th in KenPom and their best win is Monmouth.  They're projected to go 8-12 in league which seems much more likely than 12-6 or 13-7 or 12-8.

They entered today 86th in NET.  Brew is pretty close to being right and is so at the moment.

Well then, no reason to play the games. I'll bet KenPom got today's game right too, yeah? KenPom has spoken, off to March.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

MuggsyB

Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 18, 2021, 07:26:22 PM
I know prior games don't really matter, but I would have preferred they blew out PC today and came in to the FF feeling confident, as opposed to hungry for a win.

I heat ya.  From what I saw they missed a plethora of wide open looks.  Either way they are a completely different team without Sanogo.

panda

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 18, 2021, 06:26:36 PM
Laughable overreaction. Not having Champagnie will be factored into today's loss. 12-6 in BE play will do it, especially with a dearth of quality Power 5 at large candidates.

Pitt is horrible. This is a really, really, really bad loss for SJU. Quad 4 loss I believe.

DFW HOYA

Quote from: panda on December 18, 2021, 10:40:57 PM
Pitt is horrible. This is a really, really, really bad loss for SJU. Quad 4 loss I believe.

It probably moves to Quad 3 once the ACC schedule lifts up Pitt's numbers. 

A loss to Pitt still looks better than a loss to Dartmouth.

GoldenEagles03

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 18, 2021, 06:29:42 PM
Well, they're 78th in KenPom and their best win is Monmouth.  They're projected to go 8-12 in league which seems much more likely than 12-6 or 13-7 or 12-8.

They entered today 86th in NET.  Brew is pretty close to being right and is so at the moment.

Isn't that pretty close to where Marquette falls in KenPom and NET?
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Uncle Rico

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 18, 2021, 10:36:53 PM
Well then, no reason to play the games. I'll bet KenPom got today's game right too, yeah? KenPom has spoken, off to March.

No, as of right now, St. John's isn't a tournament team or close to it.  Brew said they'd have to win the Big East tournament to get in, which is correct as of today.

The numbers suggest he's right, too. A lot can change between now and March.  They can go on a heater during league play and eliminate any doubt.  KenPom doesn't guarantee anything but it shows St. John's has no room for error right now and better start winning games which the way they're playing, seems unlikely.
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Uncle Rico

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 18, 2021, 11:21:52 PM
Isn't that pretty close to where Marquette falls in KenPom and NET?

Yeah, they were seperated by one spot as of yesterday.  Both need to collect a lot of wins in league play.  St. John's need more because they have zero quality wins
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panda

Quote from: DFW HOYA on December 18, 2021, 10:59:13 PM
It probably moves to Quad 3 once the ACC schedule lifts up Pitt's numbers. 

A loss to Pitt still looks better than a loss to Dartmouth.

I think you're overestimating the quality of the acc.

brewcity77

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 18, 2021, 06:26:36 PM
Laughable overreaction. Not having Champagnie will be factored into today's loss. 12-6 in BE play will do it, especially with a dearth of quality Power 5 at large candidates.

They have zero non-con wins of note. 12-7 in conference likely won't be enough, and they already lost an opportunity with SHU cancelled.

On a game-by-game basis, they are projected to win 6 games. Expecting them to double that is simply unrealistic, which is why it's BET or bust.

Billy Hoyle

#617
four Big East teams in this week's poll: SH at 15, Xavier at 18, Providence at 22, Nova at 23. UConn drops out.

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 19, 2021, 11:32:24 AM

On a game-by-game basis, they are projected to win 6 games. Expecting them to double that is simply unrealistic, which is why it's BET or bust.

I forget, how did the infallible KenPom predict our games against Illinois, Ole Miss, and WVU? How about Nova/Creighton?  Hell, they predicted Michigan as the #2 team in the country coming into this season.

The ACC is down, they could only get 3 or 4 bids. The Pac-12 may only get 3 or 4, which opens up more at large spots for the top conference in the country. Plus, we know the committee doesn't want to give at-large bids to non-Power 5 conferences.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 20, 2021, 03:50:13 PM
four Big East teams in this week's poll: SH at 15, Xavier at 18, Providence at 22, Nova at 23. UConn drops out.

I forget, how did the infallible KenPom predict our games against Illinois, Ole Miss, and WVU? How about Nova/Creighton?  Hell, they predicted Michigan as the #2 team in the country coming into this season.

The ACC is down, they could only get 3 or 4 bids. The Pac-12 may only get 3 or 4, which opens up more at large spots for the top conference in the country. Plus, we know the committee doesn't want to give at-large bids to non-Power 5 conferences.

KenPom isn't infallible and he's the first to admit it.  It's a predictive system of averages.  St. John's can definitely swing either way but it's also true they have nothing to show right now and wouldn't sniff the bubble
Guster is for Lovers

panda

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 20, 2021, 03:57:34 PM
KenPom isn't infallible and he's the first to admit it.  It's a predictive system of averages.  St. John's can definitely swing either way but it's also true they have nothing to show right now and wouldn't sniff the bubble

SJU (with Champaigne) will be a really tough out. Their NC scheduling is pathetic and has done them no favors in prep for conference play. There will be plenty of opportunities for quality wins in the BE. Winning the right games and not losing the right games should let SJU get in with 10 to 12 wins.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: panda on December 20, 2021, 04:37:00 PM
SJU (with Champaigne) will be a really tough out. Their NC scheduling is pathetic and has done them no favors in prep for conference play. There will be plenty of opportunities for quality wins in the BE. Winning the right games and not losing the right games should let SJU get in with 10 to 12 wins.

I think that's possible.  Even with Champaigne, though, it's definitely not a guarantee. 
Guster is for Lovers

brewcity77

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 20, 2021, 03:50:13 PMI forget, how did the infallible KenPom predict our games against Illinois, Ole Miss, and WVU? How about Nova/Creighton?  Hell, they predicted Michigan as the #2 team in the country coming into this season.

Well you put the target at 12. That's probably the minimum they need thanks to their atrocious non-con. I'm taking the under on 12 Big East wins for the Johnnies, which means BET title or bust.

Skatastrophy

DePaul v Creighton game cancelled due to DePaul's COVID-19 problems. This counts as an L for DePaul in conference... which is dumb.


panda

Quote from: Skatastrophy on December 20, 2021, 07:45:06 PM
DePaul v Creighton game cancelled due to DePaul's COVID-19 problems. This counts as an L for DePaul in conference... which is dumb.

Everything about these cancellations are dumb. Why not just reschedule ?

muwarrior69

Nova is down 8 to X at the half.  Sure do not look like the Nova teams of late. Their outside shooting is as bad as ours.

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