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Title: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 09, 2021, 10:26:04 AM
Once again Non-Conference very important to the Big East.


Some tasty cupcakes to get the season started:

Mt. St. Marys at Nova
Central Connecticut at U Conn
IUPUI at Butler
Fairfield at Providence
Niagara at X
Mississippi Valley State at The Johnnies
Arkansas Pine Bluff at Creighton
SIUE at MU
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mubb3434 on November 09, 2021, 06:12:02 PM
Butler looks terrible to open up vs. IUPUI. 8 minutes in they are down 5-7…This does not look like the 6th best team in the Big East…
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 09, 2021, 08:16:56 PM
Creighton down at half to Ark Pine Bluff
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on November 09, 2021, 08:24:02 PM
CU coming back.  But bad first half for them.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 09, 2021, 08:24:59 PM
Cooley& Company open with a win over Fairfield
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 10, 2021, 06:21:47 AM
Big East with 8-0 record to start the season
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 10, 2021, 05:36:51 PM
Fairleigh Dickinson at Seton Hall
Coppin State at Depaul

Hopefully , The Big East can put two more wins on the board. Coppin State has had some upsets over the years so DePaul better be on guard .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Equalizer on November 10, 2021, 05:57:24 PM
Big East with 8-0 record to start the season

Just for argument's sake, here are the rankings and margins of victory for those games (kenpom rankings):

#224 Fairfield at Providence (PC by 7)
#235 Niagara at X (Xavier by 3)
#291 Mt. St. Marys at Nova (Villanova by 40)
#311 SIUE at MU (MU by 11)
#331 IUPUI at Butler (Butler by 9)
#348 Central Connecticut at U Conn (UConn by 51)
#356 Arkansas Pine Bluff at Creighton (CU by 13)
#358 (last in KenPom) Mississippi Valley State at The Johnnies (St. Johns by 58)

Before the season I was ready to concede that Villanova and UConn were probably the two teams that would fight it out for first and that St. Johns is a likely pick for #3.  I wasn't convinced that Marquette couldn't be in the hunt for 4th, and the relative performance of Butler, PC, X, and Creighton against similar-level competition, I still think it's wrong to count us out.


Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 10, 2021, 06:04:59 PM
Just for argument's sake, here are the rankings and margins of victory for those games (kenpom rankings):

#224 Fairfield at Providence (PC by 7)
#235 Niagara at X (Xavier by 3)
#291 Mt. St. Marys at Nova (Villanova by 40)
#311 SIUE at MU (MU by 11)
#331 IUPUI at Butler (Butler by 9)
#348 Central Connecticut at U Conn (UConn by 51)
#356 Arkansas Pine Bluff at Creighton (CU by 13)
#358 (last in KenPom) Mississippi Valley State at The Johnnies (St. Johns by 58)

Before the season I was ready to concede that Villanova and UConn were probably the two teams that would fight it out for first and that St. Johns is a likely pick for #3.  I wasn't convinced that Marquette couldn't be in the hunt for 4th, and the relative performance of Butler, PC, X, and Creighton against similar-level competition, I still think it's wrong to count us out.

4th isn’t crazy at all.  I don’t think that happens but it’ll be tight after the top two.  Someone will be really bad outside of DePaul.  Just not sure who yet
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 11, 2021, 06:59:39 AM
Big East now 10-0 after two romps by The Hall and DePaul
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 11, 2021, 08:10:57 AM
Big East now 10-0 after two romps by The Hall and DePaul

DePaul had a 1 pt halftime lead. Interesting they pulled away
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 11, 2021, 08:13:33 AM
DePaul had a 1 pt halftime lead. Interesting they pulled away

*irony alarm blaring in the background*
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 11, 2021, 08:15:07 AM
*irony alarm blaring in the background*

100%
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 11, 2021, 08:58:12 AM
DePaul had a 1 pt halftime lead. Interesting they pulled away
Builds character
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 11, 2021, 10:16:27 AM
Just for argument's sake, here are the rankings and margins of victory for those games (kenpom rankings):

#224 Fairfield at Providence (PC by 7)
#235 Niagara at X (Xavier by 3)
#291 Mt. St. Marys at Nova (Villanova by 40)
#311 SIUE at MU (MU by 11)
#331 IUPUI at Butler (Butler by 9)
#348 Central Connecticut at U Conn (UConn by 51)
#356 Arkansas Pine Bluff at Creighton (CU by 13)
#358 (last in KenPom) Mississippi Valley State at The Johnnies (St. Johns by 58)

Before the season I was ready to concede that Villanova and UConn were probably the two teams that would fight it out for first and that St. Johns is a likely pick for #3.  I wasn't convinced that Marquette couldn't be in the hunt for 4th, and the relative performance of Butler, PC, X, and Creighton against similar-level competition, I still think it's wrong to count us out.

It was interesting how close several of those wins over cupcakes were. It's early, and there's been a lot of turnover. Teams are still trying to figure out who they are. This process will go on for weeks (or longer). There will be some results that make us go "Wha?"
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 11, 2021, 01:08:19 PM
Todays Big East games

Sacred Heart at Cooley & Company
Kennesaw State at Creighton

Hopefully a couple big romps
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on November 11, 2021, 08:21:10 PM
Creighton may have problems.  Another first half deficit to a cupcake.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: withoutbias on November 11, 2021, 08:22:20 PM
Creighton may have problems.  Another first half deficit to a cupcake.

Hope the kids don’t leave the plantation.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 11, 2021, 09:16:51 PM
This game is painful to watch. Like I'm certain a rec center team would beat Creighton tonight.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 11, 2021, 11:14:14 PM
Hope the kids don’t leave the plantation.

I laughed.

Todays Big East games

Sacred Heart at Cooley & Company
Kennesaw State at Creighton


Why not Kennesaw State at McDermott & Company?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 12, 2021, 08:05:51 AM
Big East now 12-0

Good games tonight

Central Arkansas at Butler
Kent State at X
New Hampshire at MU
Nova at UCLA
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 12, 2021, 06:25:02 PM
C down 5 at half to Kent State

Zach Fremantle out with foot surgery
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 12, 2021, 07:42:50 PM
X pulls away at the end to beat the Golden Flashes by 14
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 12, 2021, 08:11:30 PM
Butler with a comfortable win over Central Arkansas
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on November 12, 2021, 09:59:18 PM
Georgetown is the only Big East team still 0-0.

Saturday's sports doubleheader: football vs. Lehigh (ESPN+), then over to basketball vs. Dartmouth (FS2).
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 12, 2021, 11:53:08 PM
These ESPN announcers for Nova suck
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 12, 2021, 11:58:07 PM
It's ESPN's top crew in Dan Shulman and Jay Bilas.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 13, 2021, 12:00:06 AM
It's ESPN's top crew in Dan Shulman and Jay Bilas.

I just woke up to hear them talking about donut quality...
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 13, 2021, 06:05:15 AM
Big East  now 15-1

Villanova got to overtime but hard to win on the road versus UCLA
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 13, 2021, 01:36:36 PM
Georgetown looks terrible. Trailing 36-17 to Dartmouth on FS2.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: jfp61 on November 13, 2021, 02:57:39 PM
Georgetown lost by 9 to Dartmouth. I guessed 4 conference wins for them, and now i feel high on that.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 13, 2021, 02:58:53 PM
Georgetown looks terrible. Trailing 36-17 to Dartmouth on FS2.

Down 16 at half, took a 2 point lead with over 10 minutes left, lost by 9.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 13, 2021, 04:30:12 PM
Down 16 at half, took a 2 point lead with over 10 minutes left, lost by 9.
Ewing screwed the conference by losing
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Newsdreams on November 13, 2021, 04:35:28 PM
Ewing screwed the conference by losing
#FireEwing
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 13, 2021, 04:39:52 PM
St John’s looking impressive. Three point shooting is very much improved, they have size down low resulting better rebounding and interior defense. Dismantling a solid mid-major in Saint Peters (picked second in the MAAC, has the preseason conference player of the year).
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on November 13, 2021, 07:50:55 PM
Nze 3/4 court heave to tie it at half for Butler. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 13, 2021, 08:54:13 PM
Good win for DePaul over Central Michigan
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 15, 2021, 08:09:33 AM
The Hall beat Yale . Big East now 20-2 in non -conference
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 15, 2021, 01:49:49 PM
Good win for DePaul over Central Michigan

"good?" They were a 13.5 favorite against a team picked 10th in the MAC.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Newsdreams on November 15, 2021, 03:20:12 PM
"good?" They were a 13.5 favorite against a team picked 10th in the MAC.
He didn't say excellent. Got to learn Herman speak.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 15, 2021, 08:45:16 PM
Big East now 21-2, and MU contributes a quality win to the league.

Now , Cooley & Company need to put a heinie whoopin on The Badgers.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 15, 2021, 08:50:50 PM
Big East now 21-2, and MU Shaka & Company contributes a quality win to the league.

Now , Cooley & Company need to put a heinie whoopin on The Badgers.

FIFY
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MUEng92 on November 15, 2021, 09:10:11 PM
Providence up 11 on UW at half and a lot of empty seats in the Kohl Center
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BallBoy on November 15, 2021, 09:20:30 PM
"good?" They were a 13.5 favorite against a team picked 10th in the MAC.

Any win from DePaul in the non conference is considered a good win.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 15, 2021, 09:22:52 PM
Providence up 11 on UW at half and a lot of empty seats in the Kohl Center

Any testicles been grabbed yet?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 15, 2021, 09:51:07 PM
Any testicles been grabbed yet?
Jonny Davis out with unspecified lower body injury for The Badgers ….
https://madison.com/wsj/sports/college/basketball/men/johnny-davis-out-with-lower-body-injury-for-wisconsin-men-s-basketball-game-against-providence/article_732a088b-f7cd-596c-83d6-3b5f28828182.html
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Tha Hound on November 15, 2021, 10:04:03 PM
Quote from: Herman Cain link=topic= 62315.msg1384816#msg1384816 date=1637034667
Jonny Davis out with unspecified lower body injury for The Badgers ….
https://madison.com/wsj/sports/college/basketball/men/johnny-davis-out-with-lower-body-injury-for-wisconsin-men-s-basketball-game-against-providence/article_732a088b-f7cd-596c-83d6-3b5f28828182.html

Ha

 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: fjm on November 15, 2021, 10:17:36 PM
Jonny Davis out with unspecified lower body injury for The Badgers ….
https://madison.com/wsj/sports/college/basketball/men/johnny-davis-out-with-lower-body-injury-for-wisconsin-men-s-basketball-game-against-providence/article_732a088b-f7cd-596c-83d6-3b5f28828182.html

That’s great haha
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: avid1010 on November 15, 2021, 10:17:56 PM
Jonny Davis out with unspecified lower body injury for The Badgers ….
https://madison.com/wsj/sports/college/basketball/men/johnny-davis-out-with-lower-body-injury-for-wisconsin-men-s-basketball-game-against-providence/article_732a088b-f7cd-596c-83d6-3b5f28828182.html
That has Davison written all over it...
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 15, 2021, 10:41:42 PM
Glad Providence won, but I hope they bring that second-half offense of theirs -- dribble for 25 seconds and then chuck up a 3 -- when they play us. Of course, we'd have to get the rebound, and that's no given!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on November 15, 2021, 10:59:23 PM
Not sure where else to post this. Cooley reacts to the MU win. Worth a watch.

https://twitter.com/KevinMcNamara33/status/1460469786463416322?s=20

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 15, 2021, 11:04:55 PM
Not sure where else to post this. Cooley reacts to the MU win. Worth a watch.

https://twitter.com/KevinMcNamara33/status/1460469786463416322?s=20

That’s awesome.

He’s a very rootable dude even tho Providence annoys me most of the time we play them.

He’s great.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 15, 2021, 11:07:44 PM
Huge night for the league. Winning against other major conferences is a big help. Providence is the first non-con team to beat UW in Madison since Marquette in the 2017-18 season.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 15, 2021, 11:30:38 PM
Not sure where else to post this. Cooley reacts to the MU win. Worth a watch.

https://twitter.com/KevinMcNamara33/status/1460469786463416322?s=20

Outstanding!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Pakuni on November 15, 2021, 11:34:46 PM
Not sure where else to post this. Cooley reacts to the MU win. Worth a watch.

https://twitter.com/KevinMcNamara33/status/1460469786463416322?s=20

Love Cooley.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Oldgym on November 16, 2021, 12:00:25 AM
Not sure where else to post this. Cooley reacts to the MU win. Worth a watch.

https://twitter.com/KevinMcNamara33/status/1460469786463416322?s=20

Great find.  Love EC.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: 1SE on November 16, 2021, 12:58:48 AM
EC is awesome - that's genuine happiness for Shaka and MU that goes way beyond the RPI boost
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: fjm on November 16, 2021, 07:08:05 AM
Ed Cooley is such a genuinely good dude. Love that reaction video.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on November 16, 2021, 07:38:31 AM
Cooley does it the right way.   Always want to beat him, just can't dislike the guy.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mug644 on November 16, 2021, 07:42:42 AM
Huge night for the league. Winning against other major conferences is a big help. Providence is the first non-con team to beat UW in Madison since Marquette in the 2017-18 season.

I wonder if the BEast has ever won two games played in WI on the same day. I suppose if you include WBB or other sports, it possibly has, but I doubt it's happened before yesterday in MBB.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: statnik on November 16, 2021, 07:59:27 AM
My guess too is Cooley may be close to Shaka as even though he has ties to Wisconsin Shaka was born in Rhode Island.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 16, 2021, 08:15:23 AM
Big East now 22-2

4 games tonight
Howard at Nova
Creighton at Nebraska
American at Ewing & Associates
The Hall at Michigan

Would be helpful if Creighton could get a road win.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mug644 on November 16, 2021, 09:19:41 AM
Can someone update, or provide a link to, current conference records beyond the BEast? Thanks.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 16, 2021, 09:35:52 AM
Can someone update, or provide a link to, current conference records beyond the BEast? Thanks.
This hasn't been updated for last nights games. However, it is a good approximation
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on November 16, 2021, 07:50:59 PM
Nice win for the Jays in Lincoln.

Each of the first 3 Gavitt tipoff games had the B10 team as favorite, the BE has won all three

SH at Michigan up next
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 16, 2021, 08:18:49 PM
Nice win for the Jays in Lincoln.

Each of the first 3 Gavitt tipoff games had the B10 team as favorite, the BE has won all three

SH at Michigan up next

Nebraska was favored? Easy money to take the Jays.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: jfp61 on November 16, 2021, 08:22:38 PM
Nebraska was favored? Easy money to take the Jays.

By 1, but yes it was easy money
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on November 16, 2021, 10:04:23 PM
My guess too is Cooley may be close to Shaka as even though he has ties to Wisconsin Shaka was born in Rhode Island.

Shaka doesnt "have ties" to Wisconsin, he spent his "entire childhood" in Madison as he's said multiple times over the years.  And Cooley is 8 years older so they wouldn't be connected like that.

More likely they both spent considerable time coaching on the East Coast and the African American coaching fraternity is smaller and probably know each other in those ways.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Oldgym on November 16, 2021, 10:05:09 PM
Hall tied with Mich, 62-62, 75 seconds to go.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 16, 2021, 10:14:07 PM
Wow.  Another huge win for the BEast.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 16, 2021, 10:14:17 PM
Seton Hall beats #4 Michigan.
Big East is 4-0
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 16, 2021, 10:14:38 PM
Wow The Hall wins .

Big win for The Big East
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 16, 2021, 10:15:32 PM
Four games.
Four B1G favorites.
Four BE wins.

We got this.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MarquetteDano on November 16, 2021, 10:15:47 PM
Seton Hall beats #4 Michigan.
Big East is 4-0

When I looked at the matchups I thought I would be happy with a 4-4 record overall.  Now,  nothing less than 5-3 will do.  Well done BEast.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 16, 2021, 10:15:57 PM
4-0 vs Big Ten, including two top ten wins.

Big East baby!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Daniel on November 16, 2021, 10:16:20 PM
Four games.
Four B1G favorites.
Four BE wins.

We got this.

Amazing!    Great SH game wow
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 16, 2021, 10:22:47 PM
Big East 26-2 in non conference. As Steve Lavin points out, these good November and hopefully  December performances will definitely help the league come post season selection time.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 16, 2021, 10:25:45 PM
Massive start to the week for the league and doing a lot to make up for the marginal start.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 16, 2021, 10:31:42 PM
Massive start to the week for the league and doing a lot to make up for the marginal start.

Huge.  My take is Purdue or Illinois will win the B14.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: GB Warrior on November 16, 2021, 10:39:24 PM
Been the best day as a MU fan in a long, long time, and an awfully good 2 days for the Big East.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: lawdog77 on November 17, 2021, 04:58:54 AM
Great start for the BigEast, but leave it to those nerds in the Ivy League to figure out how to break the RPI code.

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html (http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html)

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: dad's couch on November 17, 2021, 08:27:24 AM
Great start for the BigEast, but leave it to those nerds in the Ivy League to figure out how to break the RPI code.

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html (http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html)

Someone might want to tell them that the Big East has 11 teams now.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 17, 2021, 01:57:45 PM
Someone might want to tell them that the Big East has 11 teams now.

Since RPI isn't really a thing anymore, they probably don't update the site often.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on November 17, 2021, 01:58:10 PM
SH defense against Michigan looked pretty good last night. BE may not be having such a down year after all.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: UWW2MU on November 17, 2021, 02:11:35 PM
Great start for the BigEast, but leave it to those nerds in the Ivy League to figure out how to break the RPI code.

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html (http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html)


Yeah, they didn't break it... it was a bad design from the beginning.  Which is why it isn't used anymore.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 17, 2021, 02:55:04 PM
Great start for the BigEast, but leave it to those nerds in the Ivy League to figure out how to break the RPI code.

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html (http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html)
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The MVC figured it out about 20 years ago and the Committee penalized them for it. Missouri State had an RPI of 21 and was left out of the tourney. It happened to them again when they were left out with an RPI of 42 but no "signature win."
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: lawdog77 on November 17, 2021, 02:56:15 PM
<old man screaming at clouds> WHY IS MICHIGAN STILL #3 AND ILLINOIS#5 IN KENPOM!!!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 17, 2021, 03:13:37 PM
<old man screaming at clouds> WHY IS MICHIGAN STILL #3 AND ILLINOIS#5 IN KENPOM!!!

kenpom is insanely conservative on movement.   Especially at the top.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 17, 2021, 03:28:04 PM
<old man screaming at clouds> WHY IS MICHIGAN STILL #3 AND ILLINOIS#5 IN KENPOM!!!

KenPom, like most rankings, is not actually about the rank but is really about the score (AdjEM is the score that KenPom uses). As stats often are, KenPom scores are on a bell curve. There is a lot of space between the scores of teams ranked towards the top and towards the bottom and a lot less space between the scores of teams ranked towards the middle. This means that it takes a lot for top teams to move up or down (same with the garbage teams ranked 325 or worse).

For example, the space between #1 Gonzaga (+31.27 AdjEM) and #2 Kansas (+27.12) is greater than the space between #88 Marquette (+9.09) and #118 Missouri (+5.07). This means Gonzaga can likely suffer multiple losses before Kansas would be able to overtake them.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 17, 2021, 06:19:47 PM
<old man screaming at clouds> WHY IS MICHIGAN STILL #3 AND ILLINOIS#5 IN KENPOM!!!

(https://c.tenor.com/74lPb8mSRQMAAAAC/abe-simpson-abe-simpson-cloud.gif)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 17, 2021, 06:32:19 PM
<old man screaming at clouds> WHY IS MICHIGAN STILL #3 AND ILLINOIS#5 IN KENPOM!!!


Because KenPom is played on paper, while basketball is played on the court...
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 17, 2021, 06:34:16 PM

Because KenPom is played on paper, while basketball is played on the court...

One of these years, the title-winning team is gonna be cutting down the nets but they'll give the trophy to the loser because they were still ahead on kenpom.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 17, 2021, 06:39:49 PM
One of these years, the title-winning team is gonna be cutting down the nets but they'll give the trophy to the loser because they were still ahead on kenpom.


And the stats geeks will be cheering.

 ;D
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Pakuni on November 17, 2021, 06:44:17 PM
One of these years, the title-winning team is gonna be cutting down the nets but they'll give the trophy to the loser because they were still ahead on kenpom.

Gonzaga is hanging the 2021 KenPom Champions banner.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Skatastrophy on November 17, 2021, 06:53:27 PM
Gonzaga is hanging the 2021 KenPom Champions banner.

Seton Hall won the Virtual Basketball tournament (simulated on some guys' old Playstation 2) last year, which is canon. I swear to god you guys don't follow basketball at all.

One Shining Moment 2021 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3yYjp-2DSM

Championship game - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfntDecYjl4
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 17, 2021, 07:03:06 PM
LIU at U Conn
MSU at Butler
Johnnies at Indiana
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 17, 2021, 07:34:25 PM
Butler looks terrible.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on November 17, 2021, 07:36:30 PM
Shooting poorly, settling for 3s.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 17, 2021, 07:41:38 PM
Shooting poorly, settling for 3s.

Jordan may be done after this season?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on November 17, 2021, 09:01:51 PM
This is the most passive I can remember St. John's playing.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Shooter McGavin on November 17, 2021, 09:06:19 PM
This is the most passive I can remember St. John's playing.

IUs defense is pretty impressive.  St. John’s is having a hard time getting inside the three point line.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on November 17, 2021, 10:58:08 PM
IUs defense is pretty impressive.  St. John’s is having a hard time getting inside the three point line.

Despite the very rough 1st half-IU's defense, poor shooting, and of course the flagrant 2 resulting in Mattis being ejected- St. John's came so close to pulling it off! Then there was Butler. They were simply embarrassing. Let's hope they play like that when we come to Hinkle. Kudos to Joey! He finally scored late in the game, sinking 2 FT's before Izzo pulled him out of the game.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 17, 2021, 11:29:21 PM
Despite the very rough 1st half-IU's defense, poor shooting, and of course the flagrant 2 resulting in a starter being ejected- St. John's came so close to pulling it off! Then there was Butler. They were simply embarrassing. Let's hope they play like that when we come to Hinkle. Kudos to Joey! He finally scored late in the game, sinking 2 FT's before Izzo pulled him out of the game.

Spot-on analysis Scoop Snoop.  Butler is a complete disaster.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 18, 2021, 06:47:11 AM
Big East now 27-4 in non conference .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on November 18, 2021, 08:10:49 AM
Your thoughts on tonight's Gavitt games? I'm thinking Xavier will come up with the BE's 5th win. Too bad that St. Johns got into a hole and could not quite dig themselves out. Anyone else here who had bad memories of our last appearance at Assembly Hall while watching the game last night? Blood thirsty IU fans probably think they should be able to treat defeated opponents like the Aztecs allegedly did in their primitive basketball games- decapitate them.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on November 18, 2021, 08:16:34 AM
Your thoughts on tonight's Gavitt games? I'm thinking Xavier will come up with the BE's 5th win. Too bad that St. Johns got into a hole and could not quite dig themselves out. Anyone else here who had bad memories of our last appearance at Assembly Hall while watching the game last night? Blood thirsty IU fans probably think they should be able to treat defeated opponents like the Aztecs allegedly did in their primitive basketball games- decapitate them.

Zach Freemantle is still out for X.  They've been missing him from the games I watched.  Maybe they finally breakout in their third game like MU did.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BobWildLoyalist on November 18, 2021, 08:18:09 AM
Your thoughts on tonight's Gavitt games? I'm thinking Xavier will come up with the BE's 5th win. Too bad that St. Johns got into a hole and could not quite dig themselves out. Anyone else here who had bad memories of our last appearance at Assembly Hall while watching the game last night? Blood thirsty IU fans probably think they should be able to treat defeated opponents like the Aztecs allegedly did in their primitive basketball games- decapitate them.
This is a family friendly board bro, easy with the Assembly Hall talk  ;D
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: zcg2013 on November 18, 2021, 08:21:03 AM
There’s a decent chance the 5th win will come down to DePaul, and I for one am worried.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 18, 2021, 08:34:26 AM
KenPom, like most rankings, is not actually about the rank but is really about the score (AdjEM is the score that KenPom uses). As stats often are, KenPom scores are on a bell curve. There is a lot of space between the scores of teams ranked towards the top and towards the bottom and a lot less space between the scores of teams ranked towards the middle. This means that it takes a lot for top teams to move up or down (same with the garbage teams ranked 325 or worse).

For example, the space between #1 Gonzaga (+31.27 AdjEM) and #2 Kansas (+27.12) is greater than the space between #88 Marquette (+9.09) and #118 Missouri (+5.07). This means Gonzaga can likely suffer multiple losses before Kansas would be able to overtake them.

Yes and….at this time of the season, Pomeroy weighs last season heavily as he he needs sample size.  Pomeroy becomes better in late December as it is then based on just this season’s data.

I prefer Haslam, which is based on play by play data and is better early I feel. I also like that during blow outs, he stops counting at some point. His rankings seem more like what we feel the top should be right now. I am using Pomeroy more and more as just a double check to Haslam.

https://haslametrics.com/ratings.php
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 18, 2021, 08:35:19 AM
Unpopular opinion incoming:

I understand the necessity of more Big East non-con wins helping the league, however, as we deeper into the new Big East era, I’ve found it easier to digest these teams losing.

Yes, I know Big 14 hate
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mug644 on November 18, 2021, 08:43:42 AM
There’s a decent chance the 5th win will come down to DePaul, and I for one am worried.

Sleeping giant.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 18, 2021, 08:53:24 AM
Sleeping giant.

Comatose giant
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 18, 2021, 11:32:25 AM
So the Big 10 was favored in every Gavitt game this season? I'm not sure what to make of that.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on November 18, 2021, 11:39:27 AM
So the Big 10 was favored in every Gavitt game this season? I'm not sure what to make of that.

B10 is once again overrated?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on November 18, 2021, 12:45:41 PM
B10 is once again overrated?

No no, its the refs fault.  The Illinois fan in front of me on Monday assured me that Marquette, and other Big East teams, wouldn't be able to handle B10 basketball if the refs called it like a B10 game.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 18, 2021, 12:47:37 PM
No no, its the refs fault.  The Illinois fan in front of me on Monday assured me that Marquette, and other Big East teams, wouldn't be able to handle B10 basketball if the refs called it like a B10 game.

LOL.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 18, 2021, 01:00:19 PM
No no, its the refs fault.  The Illinois fan in front of me on Monday assured me that Marquette, and other Big East teams, wouldn't be able to handle B10 basketball if the refs called it like a B10 game.

Which cracks me up as all three refs were B1G Conference refs.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on November 18, 2021, 01:26:12 PM
Which cracks me up as all three refs were B1G Conference refs.

And the game was mostly called like a B10 game.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 18, 2021, 02:19:12 PM
Illini fans are fun.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 18, 2021, 06:38:22 PM
X up at half over The Buckeyes
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 18, 2021, 07:27:08 PM
Final.
Providence 69 NH 58
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 18, 2021, 07:38:22 PM
Final.
Providence 69 NH 58
NH was decent competition . They should do well in their own league
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 18, 2021, 07:40:39 PM
To no surprise. Outstanding crowd at Cintas. Xavier beats Ohio State!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 18, 2021, 07:42:35 PM
To no surprise. Outstanding crowd at Cintas. Xavier beats Ohio State!
Excellent win for the Big East. This really helps the leagues cause.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 18, 2021, 08:17:34 PM
At this rate even DePaul might beat its Big 10 opponent…
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on November 18, 2021, 08:21:23 PM
At this rate even DePaul might beat its Big 10 opponent…

Hate that we have to keep facing that mid major basketball conference  ;)

Loved the ESPN post game "big ten is in postseason form with these losses"
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 18, 2021, 08:22:45 PM

Loved the ESPN post game "big ten is in postseason form with these losses"


That was awesome!

Evidence against the theory that any publicity is good publicity…
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 18, 2021, 09:35:02 PM
This Rutgers/DePaul game is ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 18, 2021, 09:35:45 PM
Haven't watched most of the DePaul game because ... well ... it's DePaul. But these last 3-4 minutes have been insane!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 18, 2021, 09:36:12 PM
This Rutgers/DePaul game is ridiculous.
Both draining three's. Super fun to watch.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on November 18, 2021, 09:42:11 PM
DePaul 73   Rutgers 70 Final!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 18, 2021, 09:44:10 PM
Wow Big East goes 4-0 today . 31-4 overall non conference . Have to keep the league momentum going through the various tournaments .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: jficke13 on November 18, 2021, 09:46:39 PM
We need to have a scoop bookmark of the explainer for how conference vs conference performance ends up mattering in March. I remember reading it plenty (Brewcity maybe?) but can't quite remember the details.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 18, 2021, 09:47:09 PM
First one of these this season (that I noticed):

Stubblefield chose not to foul up 3 ... and it worked out. Rutgers got a good look for a good shooter, but he went off back iron.

After DePaul missed 2 FTs, Donny Marshall was calling for DePaul to foul with 3 seconds left -- even though Rutgers was 90 feet from the hoop they needed to score into -- pretty effen idiotic. Fortunately for DePaul, Donny Marshall isn't their coach. Rutgers didn't even get a shot off.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on November 18, 2021, 09:47:19 PM
Is there a good source to sew conference records in real time?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 19, 2021, 12:42:24 PM
Brown at Creighton
Siena at Georgetown
Huggy Bear versus Shaka

Creighton should be on alert , Brown played well against UNC.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 19, 2021, 12:50:25 PM
Brown at Creighton
Siena at Georgetown
Huggy Bear versus Shaka

Creighton should be on alert , Brown played well against UNC.

Who is Deane rooting for?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 19, 2021, 01:00:44 PM
Who is Dukiet rooting for?
I don’t know but I think Deane is rooting for Siena
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 19, 2021, 01:11:36 PM
I don’t know but I think Deane is rooting for Siena

D'oh! Fixed.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 19, 2021, 04:17:16 PM
Solid win for Creighton . Their D2 pickup Ryan Hawkins has proven to be a nice addition to their roster .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 19, 2021, 08:52:57 PM
Big East 3-0 today. Got a win out of a Georgetown which helps.

Big East now 34-4 non conference
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 20, 2021, 08:15:44 AM
Nova vs Tennessee
Binghamton at UConn
FDU at The Johnnies
Western Illinois at DePaul

Jonas Aidoo has not played much for Tennessee

Western Illinois and DePaul in a battle of 3-0 squads
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 20, 2021, 09:49:17 AM
Jonas Aidoo has not played much for Tennessee

He missed a huge chunk of the preseason with an undisclosed illness
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 20, 2021, 09:51:51 AM
He missed a huge chunk of the preseason with an undisclosed illness
Thanks for the update. Maybe we see some more of in todays game .

A win for Nova over a quality Tennessee team would help The Big East .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: wadesworld on November 20, 2021, 10:24:19 AM
Aidoo is the exact type of big that Shaka wants. He’d be a pro by the end of the 22-23 season at the latest had he come to Marquette.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 20, 2021, 12:45:31 PM
Watching Nova/Tennessee.  Same old same old.  Lather, rinse, repeat. Wright is the best coach in the country and I don't think it's close.  They are so fundamentally sound on both ends.  If I was Shaka I would spend an entire practice playing defense and focus on not biting on their shot fakes.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: wadesworld on November 20, 2021, 01:06:01 PM
Watching Nova/Tennessee.  Same old same old.  Lather, rinse, repeat. Wright is the best coach in the country and I don't think it's close.  They are so fundamentally sound on both ends.  If I was Shaka I would spend an entire practice playing defense and focus on not biting on their shot fakes.

Yeah. Should’ve won at UCLA. Absolutely blowing the doors off Tennessee. This team is absolutely right there with any team in the country.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 20, 2021, 01:13:25 PM
Yeah. Should’ve won at UCLA. Absolutely blowing the doors off Tennessee. This team is absolutely right there with any team in the country.

Wright is really smart in the way he recruits.  They have switchables all over the place and all have physicality and quickness.  You need physical perimeter players to take them out along with a skilled but physical big.  Tennessee looks to have those type of players so the score is surprising to me.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bilsu on November 20, 2021, 01:24:41 PM
Yeah. Should’ve won at UCLA. Absolutely blowing the doors off Tennessee. This team is absolutely right there with any team in the country.
I was not impressed with Villanova against UCLA. It just seem like they wanted to play bully ball on offense and just kept trying to score down low. Hard to tell how good they are, since it was a physical game with no fouls being called. After watching that game I bet $20 on UCLA to win the NCAA title. What sold me on UCLA is in a close game you cannot foul Juzang, because he is automatic at the free throw line.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 20, 2021, 02:01:30 PM
Yeah. Should’ve won at UCLA. Absolutely blowing the doors off Tennessee. This team is absolutely right there with any team in the country.

Took a good Tennessee team behind the woodshed. Agree that Nova will be very tough in the tourney.

Big East continues to roll.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 20, 2021, 02:02:16 PM
I was not impressed with Villanova against UCLA. It just seem like they wanted to play bully ball on offense and just kept trying to score down low. Hard to tell how good they are, since it was a physical game with no fouls being called. After watching that game I bet $20 on UCLA to win the NCAA title. What sold me on UCLA is in a close game you cannot foul Juzang, because he is automatic at the free throw line.

UCLA was also missing Riley.  I still think Nova is pretty damn good.  They could get in trouble though vs a team with a really good big.  I hope they play Purdue tomorrow and I'm looking forward to UCLA/Gonzaga Tues night.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on November 20, 2021, 02:05:56 PM
When is Nova not the real deal?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 20, 2021, 02:15:11 PM
U Conn continuing to feast on Cupcakes . Have a tough game coming up with Auburn .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: milwaukee ex-pat on November 20, 2021, 06:22:15 PM
FDU plays a little like MU. They are competing vs SJ.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 20, 2021, 09:18:32 PM
Big East goes 4-0 today. DePaul now 4-0 .

Big East 35-4
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: pbiflyer on November 20, 2021, 09:20:51 PM
It’s wild that @MarquetteMBB has more P6 conference opponent wins than the entire Big Ten. Marquette is 3-0; Big Ten is 2-7. #mubb #bigeast @BIGEASTMBB @becb_sbn

https://twitter.com/learnedhand5/status/1462050527185887235?s=21
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: wadesworld on November 20, 2021, 09:25:12 PM
It’s wild that @MarquetteMBB has more P6 conference opponent wins than the entire Big Ten. Marquette is 3-0; Big Ten is 2-7. #mubb #bigeast @BIGEASTMBB @becb_sbn

https://twitter.com/learnedhand5/status/1462050527185887235?s=21

#midmajor
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 21, 2021, 01:02:14 PM
Nova up by 2 at the half versus Purdue
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 21, 2021, 01:51:47 PM
Novas offense doing another disappearing act in the final 7 minutes of a big game
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 21, 2021, 01:54:39 PM
X racks up another win
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 21, 2021, 01:59:52 PM
Purdue has made 11 straight shots. Villanova needs a bench.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on November 21, 2021, 02:00:39 PM
Nova dragging down the conference.   ;D
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: wadesworld on November 21, 2021, 02:05:47 PM
Nova will be fine. They’ve won two National titles playing 7 players. They were never going to go undefeated. And they get a day off between games in the NCAA Tournament.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 21, 2021, 02:12:58 PM
Novas offense doing another disappearing act in the final 7 minutes of a big game

PG is correct here.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on November 21, 2021, 02:23:50 PM
Nova will be fine. They’ve won two National titles playing 7 players. They were never going to go undefeated. And they get a day off between games in the NCAA Tournament.

True, but do they have the 7 players they need this year to remain a top 10 team? Maybe, maybe not. Robinson-Earl's departure stung.

Anyone else catch one of the announcers on his comment regarding the scoring in the first half? Purdue had 21 on the scoreboard and he informed the viewers that Purdue's 1st 10 points came in the paint, but the next 11 came from the 3 point line.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: wadesworld on November 21, 2021, 02:32:09 PM
True, but do they have the 7 players they need this year to remain a top 10 team? Maybe, maybe not. Robinson-Earl's departure stung.

Anyone else catch one of the announcers on his comment regarding the scoring in the first half? Purdue had 21 on the scoreboard and he informed the viewers that Purdue's 1st 10 points came in the paint, but the next 11 came from the 3 point line.

I’d be very surprised if they weren’t one of the 10 best teams in the country this year. They lost an OT game at UCLA, blew out a good Tennessee, and fell apart against a very good Purdue team. I think they’re a top 5 team, personally.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 21, 2021, 02:55:20 PM
Unfortunate loss for Nova. Win would have really helped The Big East Cause
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on November 21, 2021, 02:57:30 PM
I’d be very surprised if they weren’t one of the 10 best teams in the country this year. They lost an OT game at UCLA, blew out a good Tennessee, and fell apart against a very good Purdue team. I think they’re a top 5 team, personally.

Thanks for the reply. And falling apart against a very (scary) good Purdue team unfortunately included some terrible FT shooting.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: source? on November 21, 2021, 03:30:26 PM
True, but do they have the 7 players they need this year to remain a top 10 team? Maybe, maybe not. Robinson-Earl's departure stung.

Anyone else catch one of the announcers on his comment regarding the scoring in the first half? Purdue had 21 on the scoreboard and he informed the viewers that Purdue's 1st 10 points came in the paint, but the next 11 came from the 3 point line.

How do you score 11 from the 3 point line?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on November 21, 2021, 03:37:28 PM
Spotting the irony.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 21, 2021, 04:07:26 PM
Nova settled for too many contested 3s late and missed a bunch of FTs. You can get away with that against an inferior team, but Purdue is really good.

And yet ...

Nova is still easily the favorite in the Big East and will contend for a top-2 seed. A statement that makes me Mr. Obvious.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on November 21, 2021, 04:20:17 PM
X racks up another win
X looking very good. That said, Scruggs and Kunkel annoy the sh!t out of me.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on November 21, 2021, 04:34:25 PM
How do you score 11 from the 3 point line?

I got a really good laugh out of his statement which (I believe) he never retracted but my guess is that one of the 3 pointers was reduced to a 2 after review by the refs. Creative math! I love it.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 21, 2021, 06:28:27 PM
Creighton getting hammered by Colorado St.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 21, 2021, 06:37:40 PM
Creighton getting hammered by Colorado St.

CSU was 20/34 from 3
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 21, 2021, 06:39:14 PM
CSU was 20/34 from 3

Wow.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 21, 2021, 07:15:23 PM
Wow.
David Roddy had 36 , Creighton has no one on their roster who can match his brute strength. Kid is 6-6 255 with skills
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Its DJOver on November 22, 2021, 04:21:43 PM
Will Butler finish with more field goals made than turnover? Turnovers lead 11-7 at half.  Also, Butlers down 21 and only 3 players have scored.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 22, 2021, 04:26:42 PM
Butler may be the worst team in our league?  I'm not sure Jordan will be back next year.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2021, 04:54:20 PM
Butler may be the worst team in our league?  I'm not sure Jordan will be back next year.
Yes they are getting their butt kicked by a very good Houston team.

Jordan had two quality years with an NIT sandwiched between.  He is also an alum and part of " The Butler Way" which is a big deal there. Jordan is no where near the hot seat.

I think Georgetown is comfortably at the bottom of the league. Butler is a team that has always given us problems so I am not willing to consign them to the junk heap yet.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: wadesworld on November 22, 2021, 05:46:27 PM
6-0 against Georgetown, Butler, and DePaul would be really helpful.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2021, 05:55:02 PM
6-0 against Georgetown, Butler, and DePaul would be really helpful.
Ohio State up 5 at half over The Hall
Creighton up 4 at half over Southern Illinois
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 22, 2021, 06:15:15 PM
6-0 against Georgetown, Butler, and DePaul would be really helpful.

Yes - but the odds are very much against it.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 22, 2021, 06:28:19 PM
Yes - but the odds are very much against it.

Yep. Even some of our good teams have lost to bad DePaul teams, so I'm not counting on it either. I want 6-0, of course, but I wouldn't jump out a 20th-story window if we only go 5-1!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 22, 2021, 06:42:52 PM
Butler may be the worst team in our league?

Maybe … but losing big to Houston is no worse than losing big to the Bonnies.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 22, 2021, 06:49:40 PM
Yes they are getting their butt kicked by a very good Houston team.

Jordan had two quality years with an NIT sandwiched between.  He is also an alum and part of " The Butler Way" which is a big deal there. Jordan is no where near the hot seat.

I think Georgetown is comfortably at the bottom of the league. Butler is a team that has always given us problems so I am not willing to consign them to the junk heap yet.

I forgot about GTown. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: avid1010 on November 22, 2021, 06:49:45 PM
Warching UI, Ole Miss and WV play other teams has me feeling a little less enthusiastic about MU.  Still love the hire, and they're off to a better start than I thought, but those teams haven't impressed me much in their other games.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2021, 06:51:53 PM
Should be noted that Butler was without , arguably, their best player Bryce Nze. He got injured in the first half of the Michigan State game and has a partially torn labrum.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2021/11/22/butler-basketball-loses-houston-maui-invitational/8619926002/
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 22, 2021, 06:53:40 PM
Creighton wins at the buzzer. Ends the game on a 12-2 run.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2021, 06:54:49 PM
Creighton wins at the buzzer. Ends the game on a 12-2 run.
Big East Conference needed that win.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 22, 2021, 06:56:43 PM
Did Cale get hurt for the Hall?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 22, 2021, 07:01:15 PM
Warching UI, Ole Miss and WV play other teams has me feeling a little less enthusiastic about MU.  Still love the hire, and they're off to a better start than I thought, but those teams haven't impressed me much in their other games.

Apparently Illinois is a complete disaster?  Smh.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 22, 2021, 07:05:38 PM
Creighton wins at the buzzer. Ends the game on a 12-2 run.

Tremendous game-winning shot by Nembhard.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 22, 2021, 07:09:01 PM
Creighton and Butler are garbage
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 22, 2021, 07:11:11 PM
Apparently Illinois is a complete disaster?  Smh.

They couldn’t look much worse. Took a big lead the first few minutes but Cincinnati has absolutely embarrassed them since.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 22, 2021, 07:15:27 PM
They couldn’t look much worse. Took a big lead the first few minutes but Cincinnati has absolutely embarrassed them since.

Who's the 2nd best team in that conf? 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 22, 2021, 07:16:30 PM
I believe we got our first "big time, onions" of the year. Ohio State will have three to lead Seton Hall. 79-76. 2.3 left. Thrilling game.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 22, 2021, 07:18:34 PM
I believe we got our first "big time, onions" of the year. Ohio State will have three to lead Seton Hall. 79-76. 2.3 left. Thrilling game.

Did Cale get hurt? 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2021, 07:18:47 PM
The Hall fought back and got close but no cigar.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 22, 2021, 07:21:50 PM
I believe we got our first "big time, onions" of the year. Ohio State will have three to lead Seton Hall. 79-76. 2.3 left. Thrilling game.

Great game, great finish.

But I couldn’t have disagreed more with Raftery about wanting Ohio State to foul at the end. 2.3 seconds left and SH has to go the whole way and take a tough 3, and you want to foul? No way. I’ll take my chances on SH having to make a nearly impossible shot. As did Holtmann.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2021, 07:22:59 PM
Did Cale get hurt?
If he got hurt that would not help their cause.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 22, 2021, 07:47:25 PM
If he got hurt that would not help their cause.

he did, a strained groin. Left just past the midway point of the first half with the Hall up 8.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 22, 2021, 07:56:00 PM
he did, a strained groin. Left just past the midway point of the first half with the Hall up 8.

Bummer.  They likely would have gotten the W if he played. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2021, 09:57:40 PM
Cooley & Company up 11 over The Wild Cats of Northwestern . 8 minutes left
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 22, 2021, 10:14:57 PM
Cooley & Company up 11 over The Wild Cats of Northwestern Collins & Company. 8 minutes left
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 22, 2021, 10:36:13 PM


Drip by drip or swish by swish?  At the end of the day we need to tickle the twine with far more consistency and the intensity and focus must be 24/7.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 22, 2021, 10:57:24 PM
Drip by drip or swish by swish?  At the end of the day we need to tickle the twine with far more consistency and the intensity and focus must be 24/7.

You're talkin' to the wrong guy. I'm just the messenger. Let Shaka know what you need his players to do!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 23, 2021, 08:31:08 AM
Big East 41-9 in non conference . 82 percent winning.  A very good pace.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: zcg2013 on November 23, 2021, 03:31:32 PM
Butler on the verge of losing to A&M. Put Lavall squarely on the hot seat.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Its DJOver on November 23, 2021, 03:37:50 PM
Butler on the verge of losing to A&M. Put Lavall squarely on the hot seat.

Yep. He may be a “Butler guy”, but his teams have been getting progressively worse since Holtmanns guys left. Second game in a row they finish with more TOs than FG made, and it’s not exactly like they’re some super young inexperienced team either. I would think a bottom 2 or 3 finish in conference would see him gone.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 23, 2021, 04:12:31 PM
Yep. He may be a “Butler guy”, but his teams have been getting progressively worse since Holtmanns guys left. Second game in a row they finish with more TOs than FG made, and it’s not exactly like they’re some super young inexperienced team either. I would think a bottom 2 or 3 finish in conference would see him gone.

Isn't Butler missing their best player?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 23, 2021, 04:40:27 PM
Isn't Butler missing their best player?

Yes. Nze has a partially torn labrum.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: source? on November 23, 2021, 05:05:02 PM
Yes. Nze has a partially torn labrum.

As well as 2 other rotation players.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Its DJOver on November 23, 2021, 06:10:04 PM
Isn't Butler missing their best player?

Even with Nze out (debatable whether he's their best or not), they returned 4 of their top 5 scorers from last year, two of which are 5th year Seniors.  They're 0-3 against high majors, being run out of the gym twice.  Assuming ND (sucks) beats Chaminade, they won't get another high major in Maui/Vegas.  They'll likely be significant underdogs against Oklahoma (first road game too), they'll likely get blown out by Purdue.  That means that they're likely to enter conference play just over .500 with all their wins being buy games.  Further, Jordan's only tourney appearance was year one with all of Holtmann's players.  Their top rated Freshman from the 2020 class got kicked out of school for an alleged rape.  Their top 2021 current Freshman was ranked 218 per 247, and their only commit thus far for next year's class is ranked outside the top 300 per 247, so it's not like recruiting is gonna save his job.  This is year 5 for Jordan (I've been told that's sufficient time to judge), if they continue down their current trajectory, it's hard to see him sticking around.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 23, 2021, 06:54:21 PM
Even with Nze out (debatable whether he's their best or not), they returned 4 of their top 5 scorers from last year, two of which are 5th year Seniors.  They're 0-3 against high majors, being run out of the gym twice.  Assuming ND (sucks) beats Chaminade, they won't get another high major in Maui/Vegas.  They'll likely be significant underdogs against Oklahoma (first road game too), they'll likely get blown out by Purdue.  That means that they're likely to enter conference play just over .500 with all their wins being buy games.  Further, Jordan's only tourney appearance was year one with all of Holtmann's players.  Their top rated Freshman from the 2020 class got kicked out of school for an alleged rape.  Their top 2021 current Freshman was ranked 218 per 247, and their only commit thus far for next year's class is ranked outside the top 300 per 247, so it's not like recruiting is gonna save his job.  This is year 5 for Jordan (I've been told that's sufficient time to judge), if they continue down their current trajectory, it's hard to see him sticking around.

A Big East school can’t have the kind of recruitment Butler has right now on a yearly basis. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 23, 2021, 06:55:10 PM
Also, St. John’s is down 2 at half to one of the St. Francis schools
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on November 23, 2021, 07:12:48 PM
Posh in a walking boot on the bench.    SJU is getting blown up on the defensive boards.     I don't see how SJU doesn't eventually turn it around.   
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: forgetful on November 23, 2021, 07:13:06 PM
Also, St. John’s is down 2 at half to one of the St. Francis schools

And Providence is getting torched by Virginia.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 23, 2021, 07:14:09 PM
And Providence is getting torched by Virginia.

Providence defense is awful if they let Virginia score 26 points in 18 minutes
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 23, 2021, 07:45:33 PM
 The atmosphere at Carnesecca must be pretty intense right now. Local teams in a tight game.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 23, 2021, 08:07:07 PM
The atmosphere at Carnesecca must be pretty intense right now. Local teams in a tight game.
21-6 run for St John's to end the game for a six point win. They avoided disaster.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 23, 2021, 08:17:18 PM
Providence defense is awful if they let Virginia score 26 points in 18 minutes

Good grief.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 23, 2021, 08:25:57 PM
21-6 run for St John's to end the game for a six point win. They avoided disaster.
A Loss at home against a cupcake would have been a disaster for The Johnnies
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 24, 2021, 02:20:58 PM
UCONN has a lot of weapons and a stud Frosh. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 24, 2021, 02:26:45 PM
UCONN has a lot of weapons and a stud Frosh.
Auburn was rolling. 21-10.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 24, 2021, 03:11:54 PM
MU has to get more hoops in transitioni like a UCONN or an Auburn.  Our guys also must play with more physicality and force from every position.  We look light to me compared to these teams. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on November 24, 2021, 03:13:41 PM
Perhaps because 8 out of our 11 are in their first or second year of college basketball.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 24, 2021, 03:25:56 PM
UCONN is pissing this game away.  Poor discipline.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 24, 2021, 03:34:38 PM
Epic choke job from UCONN.  This would be a terrible loss after they were in complete control.   
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: zcg2013 on November 24, 2021, 03:36:45 PM
Epic choke job from UCONN.  This would be a terrible loss after they were in complete control.

UConn has not handled the press well at all. Also RJ Cole is no Bouknight.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 24, 2021, 03:58:07 PM
UConn has not handled the press well at all. Also RJ Cole is no Bouknight.

Hopefully the find a way to get the W but it hasn't been pretty when they were in total control.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 24, 2021, 04:01:14 PM
That was freaking brutal.  Wow.....just wow.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 24, 2021, 04:03:53 PM
That was freaking brutal.  Wow.....just wow.
Unbelievable turnover. Just lost the dripple.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 24, 2021, 04:04:21 PM
Will be very hard for U Conn to win this in the second overtime, after that last 22 seconds.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 24, 2021, 04:10:30 PM
I'll take UCONN Herman for 5 bucks?  :)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BrewCity83 on November 24, 2021, 04:11:13 PM
They're racing to 110 points!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 24, 2021, 04:13:01 PM
Ridiculous foul call on UCONN.  What's the spread?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BrewCity83 on November 24, 2021, 04:14:17 PM
Ridiculous foul call on UCONN.  What's the spead?

High spead...the highest!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 24, 2021, 04:15:05 PM
High spead...the highest!

My bad.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BrewCity83 on November 24, 2021, 04:15:30 PM
Haha!  And take the over!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 24, 2021, 04:16:44 PM
WTH was that?  Unreal.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 24, 2021, 04:20:08 PM
Excuse me??  No foul and Auburn ball????!!!!  Oh....okay.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 24, 2021, 04:22:16 PM
Excuse me??  No foul and Auburn ball????!!!!  Oh....okay.

Yeah, when you go to replay and it shows an obvious foul with the guy getting smacked across both wrists, you should be able to call the foul. It should work both ways.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BrewCity83 on November 24, 2021, 04:23:32 PM
115 points.  Damn.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: fjm on November 24, 2021, 04:28:45 PM
115 points.  Damn.

Gonna be tough to beat ‘em if we can’t even score 50 in regulation.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 24, 2021, 04:31:14 PM
I think UCONN has more talent than Nova.  Sanogo has gotten much better.  That said Nova  is probably still the favorite in our league. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 24, 2021, 04:34:28 PM
Whaley collapsed in the bench area at the end when they cut away. I guess he eventually got up, per Twitter. Scary.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 24, 2021, 04:39:46 PM
Gonna be tough to beat ‘em if we can’t even score 50 in regulation.

Yeah, but we're good for at least 55 in a double-ot game!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 24, 2021, 05:23:57 PM
I'll take UCONN Herman for 5 bucks?  :)
I was so frustrated with U Conn . I took a walk on the beach . Just got back lo and behold they pulled it . Tremendous win for the conference .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 24, 2021, 06:32:16 PM
I was so frustrated with U Conn . I took a walk on the beach . Just got back lo and behold they pulled it . Tremendous win for the conference .

Seton Hall trailing a dreadful Cal team with 10 min to go in the game. 26% shooting, 14% from 3.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 24, 2021, 07:03:30 PM
Seton Hall trailing a dreadful Cal team with 10 min to go in the game. 26% shooting, 14% from 3.

Cale is out....but touche.  Can't happen.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 24, 2021, 07:04:51 PM
Man I hate the charge.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillWarriors on November 24, 2021, 08:19:02 PM
Iowa State took it to Xavier. Tyrese Hunter can flat out play. Quick as hell and great instincts. Would have been nice to get him.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 24, 2021, 08:26:28 PM
Iowa State took it to Xavier. Tyrese Hunter can flat out play. Quick as hell and great instincts. Would have been nice to get him.

A few of us here really preferred him and a Scooper who taught at St Catherine’s said we were his dream school but unfortunately….
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 25, 2021, 07:08:36 AM
Big East is now 45-12 in non conference play.

U Conn against MSU today
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Newsdreams on November 25, 2021, 09:18:18 AM
A few of us here really preferred him and a Scooper who taught at St Catherine’s said we were his dream school but unfortunately….
He decided ISU was a better fit.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 25, 2021, 01:09:38 PM
Nice choke job by Hurley and UConn.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 25, 2021, 01:18:18 PM
Nice choke job by Hurley and UConn.

There was a terrible call that hurt UConn, but they still had ample opportunity to win. Made WAAAAY too many mistakes down the stretch.

UConn is gonna be VERY tough for MU, though.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Sixteen2One on November 25, 2021, 01:27:46 PM
Can't forget Uconn played a 2 OT game yesterday followed by a noon start.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on November 25, 2021, 01:54:25 PM
Can't forget Uconn played a 2 OT game yesterday followed by a noon start.


And Whaley watching from the bench. UCONN will be fine and may give Nova problems with securing their customary first place position in the BE.



Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 25, 2021, 09:02:58 PM
Can't forget Uconn played a 2 OT game yesterday followed by a noon start.

They had no business playing a doubtle OT game yesterday and it sounds like they pissed away the game today..  Although I did hear that there was an egregious call.  That team is dangerous but clearly have struggled slamming the door which may give us hope on 12-21.. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 25, 2021, 10:42:05 PM
FWIW, Izzo opted not to foul up 3 vs. UConn.

Given that UConn was 2-for-16 from 3, it seemed a prudent decision. If UConn had been red-hot from 3, Izzo might have chosen to foul, and that would have been prudent.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 25, 2021, 10:47:21 PM
This is my first look at Gtown.  They're playing zone for some reason.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on November 25, 2021, 10:55:22 PM
This is my first look at Gtown.  They're playing zone for some reason.

You live on the west coast?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 25, 2021, 10:59:15 PM
You live on the west coast?

Yes, but I'm with family in Chicago.  They're quick and are hitting some shots early.  Harris has game.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Shark on November 26, 2021, 12:40:44 AM
Georgetown continuing the annual tradition of being a borderline disaster in non-con
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on November 26, 2021, 01:31:07 AM
San Diego State pulls away, 73-56. No field goals for Georgetown in final 9:39 of the game.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on November 26, 2021, 08:49:05 AM
San Diego State pulls away, 73-56. No field goals for Georgetown in final 9:39 of the game.

Wow! I really thought that Ewing would prove to be the perfect coach for your guys and it seemed at the end of last season he finally turned a corner with the performance in the BET. Your thoughts as to why he keeps coming up short? And if he cannot turn things around this season, ummm, how would it play out in DC?  Not trying to kick you while your guys are down. Just asking your thoughts and what you are hearing from other Gtown fans.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Shooter McGavin on November 26, 2021, 09:45:28 AM
Wow! I really thought that Ewing would prove to be the perfect coach for your guys and it seemed at the end of last season he finally turned a corner with the performance in the BET. Your thoughts as to why he keeps coming up short? And if he cannot turn things around this season, ummm, how would it play out in DC?  Not trying to kick you while your guys are down. Just asking your thoughts and what you are hearing from other Gtown fans.

Ewing had had some talent.  The players he has just keep transferring out.  Not sure why that is happening so frequently. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 26, 2021, 06:22:24 PM
DePaul bears Northern Kentucky. The Blue Demons now 6-0
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 26, 2021, 07:58:26 PM
Three more out for Xavier (sickness) Hold on to beat Virginia Tech. 59-58.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on November 26, 2021, 08:53:23 PM
Three more out for Xavier (sickness) Hold on to beat Virginia Tech. 59-58.

I was at the game with the XU daughter.
Memphis fans seem to travel well. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 26, 2021, 09:12:38 PM
Three more out for Xavier (sickness) Hold on to beat Virginia Tech. 59-58.
Nice for the conference to pick up an ACC win
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Newsdreams on November 26, 2021, 09:13:50 PM
Three more out for Xavier (sickness) Hold on to beat Virginia Tech. 59-58.
#FireBennett
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: wadesworld on November 26, 2021, 09:24:01 PM
#FireBennett

#wrongvirginiaschool
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Shark on November 26, 2021, 10:15:42 PM
Georgetown continuing the annual tradition of being a borderline disaster in non-con
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on November 26, 2021, 11:10:54 PM
Wow! I really thought that Ewing would prove to be the perfect coach for your guys and it seemed at the end of last season he finally turned a corner with the performance in the BET. Your thoughts as to why he keeps coming up short? And if he cannot turn things around this season, ummm, how would it play out in DC?  Not trying to kick you while your guys are down. Just asking your thoughts and what you are hearing from other Gtown fans.

Lots of issues. The style of play doesn't mesh with the constant turnover. Twelve transfers in four years, not including Eastern Kentucky transfer Tre King, who was tossed before he even made it to game one.  Actually, King would have really helped because Georgetown's visible weakness at center despite three seven footers.

Ewing's contract runs through April 2023--he is 64-62 to date. If things go really south, the school is not ready for what I call the uncomfortable conversation.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on November 27, 2021, 06:05:25 AM
As expected, DePaul is the last undefeated Big East team.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 27, 2021, 09:24:01 AM
Lots of issues. The style of play doesn't mesh with the constant turnover. Twelve transfers in four years, not including Eastern Kentucky transfer Tre King, who was tossed before he even made it to game one.  Actually, King would have really helped because Georgetown's visible weakness at center despite three seven footers.

Ewing's contract runs through April 2023--he is 64-62 to date. If things go really south, the school is not ready for what I call the uncomfortable conversation.

There will have to be a conversation, too. It's almost 2022; if a school doesn't intend to fire a coach whose contract expires in April 2023, it pretty much has to extend him. It's very difficult for lame-duck coaches to recruit.

Perhaps Ewing will make it easy on Georgetown by stepping down to "spend time with family" or concentrate on "other pursuits"? IIRC that's what Mullin did at St. John's.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on November 27, 2021, 10:20:24 AM
There will have to be a conversation, too. It's almost 2022; if a school doesn't intend to fire a coach whose contract expires in April 2023, it pretty much has to extend him. It's very difficult for lame-duck coaches to recruit.

Perhaps Ewing will make it easy on Georgetown by stepping down to "spend time with family" or concentrate on "other pursuits"? IIRC that's what Mullin did at St. John's.

My thoughts also. St. John's made a public "Mullins is our coach!" statement when rumors circulated while working behind the scenes (my opinion) to replace him. Lavin left UCLA and St. John's technically on his own, just like Shaka's UT departure. Butler may need to pave the way for Jordan's "voluntary" departure if he cannot turn things around soon. Hopefully there will be smoother scenarios for Ewing and Jordan (assuming that they do not turn things around and soon) than there was for Mullins. The Mullins "voluntary" departure fooled no one.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 27, 2021, 10:22:55 AM
Lots of issues. The style of play doesn't mesh with the constant turnover. Twelve transfers in four years, not including Eastern Kentucky transfer Tre King, who was tossed before he even made it to game one.  Actually, King would have really helped because Georgetown's visible weakness at center despite three seven footers.

Ewing's contract runs through April 2023--he is 64-62 to date. If things go really south, the school is not ready for what I call the uncomfortable conversation.


And this time they would need to move on from the Thompson-era.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 27, 2021, 05:03:58 PM
NJIT and St.John's are going to overtime.  Wow.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on November 27, 2021, 05:06:53 PM
Is Posh still in a boot?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 27, 2021, 05:11:21 PM
Is Posh still in a boot?

I dunno.  I just saw the score.

Looks like he's playing if the box score is accurate.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: zcg2013 on November 27, 2021, 05:30:14 PM
Is Posh still in a boot?

He played 36 minutes and Champagnie played 40.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 27, 2021, 05:42:57 PM
Creighton down 7 near halftime against SIUE
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 27, 2021, 05:43:41 PM
Providence struggled today.
St. John's blew a 16 point lead. Had to re-win in in ot.
Creighton down by 12 to SIUE.
Marquette?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 27, 2021, 06:07:29 PM
Whoa........SIUE up 14 in Omaha.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Oldgym on November 27, 2021, 06:48:29 PM
Creighton grabs lead with 90 seconds to play
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on November 27, 2021, 06:49:59 PM
Not exactly a strong close for SUIE.  Whew.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on November 27, 2021, 06:52:55 PM
Not exactly a strong close for SUIE.  Whew.
SUIE terrified to take a shot in the last 5 minutes.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 27, 2021, 07:05:20 PM
NJIT and St.John's are going to overtime.  Wow.

Anderson emptied the bench up 16, took responsibility for that post game.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 28, 2021, 11:48:37 AM
Good lord. BCU leads Seton Hall at halftime.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Newsdreams on November 28, 2021, 12:07:04 PM
Good lord. BCU leads Seton Hall at halftime.
Up 4
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 28, 2021, 12:30:41 PM
 DePaul looking to extend its unbeaten streak against Eastern Michigan

Nova with its first Big 5 game on the road against LaSalle
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on November 28, 2021, 12:40:45 PM
Good lord. BCU leads Seton Hall at halftime.

No worries.   
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 28, 2021, 07:50:51 PM
Big East now 55-16 non conference
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 30, 2021, 07:45:35 PM
Butler picks up another win. Helps the leagues cause
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on November 30, 2021, 07:50:03 PM
UConn pulling away, but it hasn't been easy against Eastern Shore.    Georgetown in a dogfight with..... Longwood.   
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 30, 2021, 07:51:34 PM
Butler picks up another win. Helps the leagues cause

Beating Saginaw Valley doesn’t help anyone
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 30, 2021, 08:00:57 PM
Beating Saginaw Valley doesn’t help anyone
I know they are D2 but the optics of a win are always good.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on November 30, 2021, 08:02:03 PM
Certainly better than losing to Saginaw Valley.   
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 30, 2021, 08:04:30 PM
I know they are D2 but the optics of a win are always good.

There no good optics beating Saginaw Valley by 11
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on November 30, 2021, 08:18:59 PM
U Conn and Georgetown both win.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Shooter McGavin on November 30, 2021, 10:02:55 PM
There no good optics beating Saginaw Valley by 11

Why would Butler schedule a D2 school?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on November 30, 2021, 10:07:22 PM
Why would Butler schedule a D2 school?
decent shot to win
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on November 30, 2021, 11:37:31 PM
Certainly better than losing to Saginaw Valley.   

My wife saw the score and asked: "Why is Butler playing a high school team?"
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 01, 2021, 10:11:05 AM
Big East 60-15 Non Conference 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 01, 2021, 08:43:31 PM
Nova gets another Big 5 win over Penn. the game was at the Palestra.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 01, 2021, 10:31:30 PM
The Dence beat TTU.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Shark on December 01, 2021, 10:54:35 PM
The Dence beat TTU.

Cooley and Co.*
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 01, 2021, 11:47:20 PM
Unless I'm forgetting a conference the BEast should be #1 when the NET rankings come out.  It's either us or the B12.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 02, 2021, 07:58:21 AM
Unless I'm forgetting a conference the BEast should be #1 when the NET rankings come out.  It's either us or the B12.
Big East now 64-15 Non Conference

Cooley & Company really helped The Big East cause by beating Texas Tech
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 02, 2021, 08:07:21 AM
Big East now 64-15 Non Conference

Cooley & Company really helped The Big East cause by beating Texas Tech

I was watching some of the first half and they were down by 12 points to TTU at one point.  Glad they pulled it out.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on December 02, 2021, 12:26:24 PM
U Conn and Georgetown both win.

Small signs of progress for the Hoyas, but playing a team from Longwood without its leading scorer and the game was still in doubt entering the final minute isn't yet cause for sustained optimism.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Its DJOver on December 03, 2021, 01:12:35 PM
Adama Sanogo out “a couple weeks, likely more”. We play UConn in 2 1/2 weeks. Would be big if he’s still out as I think he would eat us up inside.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Shooter McGavin on December 03, 2021, 07:40:11 PM
Great game on FS1 right now.  Kansas vs St Johns 62-56 Kansas.  Johnnies looking tough though
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 03, 2021, 07:48:53 PM
Champagne is a terrific offensive player.  However, St. John's looks awful defensively and on the glass.  It's stubborn for Anderson to keep trapping because Kansas is literally scoring every possession and getting any shot they want.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Shooter McGavin on December 03, 2021, 07:54:08 PM
Champagne is a terrific offensive player.  However, St. John's looks awful defensively and on the glass.  It's stubborn for Anderson to keep trapping because Kansas is literally scoring every possession and getting any shot they want.

Agreed Muggsy.  I may have spoken too soon.  It was a 3 point game at one point.  St. John’s is a thick team.  MU will have trouble matching their physicality.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 03, 2021, 08:23:19 PM
Agreed Muggsy.  I may have spoken too soon.  It was a 3 point game at one point.  St. John’s is a thick team.  MU will have trouble matching their physicality.

St. John's is dangerous if they turn you over and can get hot from distance.  We cannot kick the ball away against them or play too fast.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on December 03, 2021, 08:36:46 PM
Muggsy, MU plays fast.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on December 03, 2021, 08:42:49 PM
Adama Sanogo out “a couple weeks, likely more”. We play UConn in 2 1/2 weeks. Would be big if he’s still out as I think he would eat us up inside.

I also saw something about Martin having a wrist injury (do not remember where I saw it). No idea if it is minor or if he will be out for a while.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 04, 2021, 06:47:08 AM
Unless I'm forgetting a conference the BEast should be #1 when the NET rankings come out.  It's either us or the B12.

Big 12 will be first. I'd guess the Big East will be fourth. Third at best. If it was RPI, we might have a case for second, but our overall efficiency hasn't been good. St John's, Creighton, Marquette, Butler, Georgetown, and DePaul still grade out pretty poorly from an efficiency standpoint.

I'd guess...

1-Big 12
2-SEC
3-Big 10
4-Big East
5-ACC
6-Pac 12

Wouldn't be shocked if the WCC slipped into the top-6.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 04, 2021, 01:45:00 PM
Nice Big 5 win for Nova over St. Joseph’s
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 04, 2021, 02:12:34 PM
Seton Hall beats D2 Nyack

What’s up with all these D2 games ?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 04, 2021, 02:23:26 PM
The Dence is up 11 on URI.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 04, 2021, 02:46:43 PM
The Dence is up 11 on URI.
Down to 8. Game on CBSSN
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 04, 2021, 03:21:25 PM
Solid win for Cooley & Company against their bitter in-state rival .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 04, 2021, 03:52:52 PM
Nice to see Mark Aguirre at the DePaul/Loyola game. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 04, 2021, 04:17:14 PM
Nice to see Mark Aguirre at the DePaul/Loyola game.
DePaul once down 23-8, leads by 6 at halftime.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on December 04, 2021, 04:54:31 PM
Loyola up 6 w 3 to play.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 04, 2021, 05:03:19 PM
Wow.  Huge mistake by DePaul when they cut it to 2 with 45 secs left.  That can never happen.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 04, 2021, 05:27:25 PM
Will be interesting to see how Creighton fares tonight against Iowa State.

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 04, 2021, 05:44:29 PM
Will be interesting to see how Creighton fares tonight against Iowa State.

Oh....cool.  Ty Herman.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 04, 2021, 09:57:49 PM
Did we recruit this kid from Racine that starts at PG for Iowa St.?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: We R Final Four on December 04, 2021, 10:08:48 PM
We did……but we were both dreaming.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 04, 2021, 10:11:40 PM
We did……but we were both dreaming.

Lol.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 05, 2021, 03:36:47 PM
Hoyas hurting the league with all their non conference losses
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on December 05, 2021, 03:42:35 PM
Hoyas hurting the league with all their non conference losses
their program is a freaking joke. how u go from powerhouse program to this is unreal. they cant give tickets away at this point
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on December 05, 2021, 03:52:33 PM
UMBC on Wednesday night, Syracuse on Saturday.

https://twitter.com/_SugarFree5/status/1466234086649909256
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 05, 2021, 05:27:27 PM
X and Ok.St. tied at 48 early in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on December 05, 2021, 07:29:38 PM
X and Ok.St. tied at 48 early in the 2nd half.
Awesome Xavier Win For Big East Conference
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on December 05, 2021, 07:56:47 PM
Not too much of an issue for SJU, but big credit to Kyle Neptune, the former Nova assistant, so far at Fordham.  That program was a disaster and he has them at least looking competitive.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 05, 2021, 08:20:18 PM
Awesome Xavier Win For Big East Conference
Winning road games against Quality Opponents is helpful.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 05, 2021, 08:32:12 PM
From what I've seen in the BEast:

1) Nova
2) UCONN
3) The Hall
4) XU
5) The Dence
6) MU
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: We R Final Four on December 05, 2021, 08:37:43 PM
Who besides you refers to PC as “The Dence.”
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 05, 2021, 08:47:42 PM
Who besides you refers to PC as “The Dence.”


Most people think PC is Politically Correct.  What's the problem with writing The Dence?  I didn't coin the phrase.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Newsdreams on December 05, 2021, 09:01:29 PM

Most people think PC is Politically Correct.  What's the problem with writing The Dence?  I didn't coin the phrase.
Cooley & Co.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 05, 2021, 09:07:33 PM
Most people think PC is Politically Correct.  What's the problem with writing The Dence?  I didn't coin the phrase.

To this day I don't know what "The Dence" means.  Shortened version of ProviDence?  (but only 1 less typed charater?) stupid.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 05, 2021, 09:15:48 PM
I didn't realize this would trigger people but I can handle being attacked for no reason. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 05, 2021, 09:21:51 PM
I didn't realize this would trigger people but I can handle being attacked for no reason.

Interesting definition of "attacked" kiddo
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 05, 2021, 09:24:33 PM

Most people think PC is Politically Correct.  What's the problem with writing The Dence?  I didn't coin the phrase.

When has anyone ever called them The Dence? Almost as lame as “Cooley and Company.”

Crazy idea: refer to them as “Providence.”  Would you refer to us as “The Quette?”
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: fjm on December 05, 2021, 10:09:16 PM
Provide lookin good lately. Always liked Cooley.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 05, 2021, 10:11:08 PM
When has anyone ever called them The Dence? Almost as lame as “Cooley and Company.”

Crazy idea: refer to them as “Providence.”  Would you refer to us as “The Quette?”

Donut Boys?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 05, 2021, 10:12:48 PM
Would you refer to us as “The Quette?”

That's ridiculous. Everybody knows we're Smart & Co.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 05, 2021, 10:18:23 PM
Guys, it's a f*cking nickname. Who gives a rat's rump?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: fjm on December 05, 2021, 10:19:31 PM
Guys, it's a f*cking nickname. Who gives a rat's rump?

Rats rump? Is that a nickname for seton hall?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 05, 2021, 10:21:48 PM
If our team attacked, the way scoopers attack my innocuous posts, we would never lose a game.  :)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 05, 2021, 10:24:52 PM
Rats rump? Is that a nickname for seton hall?

It is now!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: We R Final Four on December 05, 2021, 10:38:14 PM
If our team attacked, the way scoopers attack my innocuous posts, we would never lose a game.  :)
Always under attack hey?
This must be at least the third or fourth time you claimed to be the victim under attack.

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 05, 2021, 10:43:21 PM
Always under attack hey?
This must be at least the third or fourth time you claimed to be the victim under attack.

I cannot believe you are ruthlessly attacking him again. Short people have feelings too, you know!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on December 05, 2021, 11:32:47 PM
When has anyone ever called them The Dence? Almost as lame as “Cooley and Company.”

Crazy idea: refer to them as “Providence.”  Would you refer to us as “The Quette?”

I actually see Quette a lot on social media.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 06, 2021, 01:36:46 AM
I actually see Quette a lot on social media.

That's dumb too.  But so is "social media" - the least "social" of all media.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 06, 2021, 07:40:08 AM
I actually see Quette a lot on social media.

I call it 'cial 'edia.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 06, 2021, 07:56:36 AM
Muggsy, call them what you want
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on December 06, 2021, 08:17:28 AM
I actually see Quette a lot on social media.

Is that for our alma mater or another fringe conspiracy website?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 06, 2021, 08:19:43 AM
This thread has made me think of this

https://youtu.be/3mQoI_a_toU

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: fjm on December 06, 2021, 08:21:56 AM
This thread has made me think of this

https://youtu.be/3mQoI_a_toU

Haha yes.

I’m Gonna make some chicky chicky parm parm tonight.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 06, 2021, 08:31:54 AM
This thread has made me think of this

https://youtu.be/3mQoI_a_toU

100%

Gonna go have some long ass rice for dinner tonight
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 06, 2021, 08:45:01 AM
Big East now 70-20 in non conference play
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 06, 2021, 08:56:19 AM
100%

Gonna go have some long ass rice for dinner tonight

Haha yes.

I’m Gonna make some chicky chicky parm parm tonight.

Gonna make an Italian samdoozle for lunch.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 06, 2021, 09:08:44 AM
Georgetown is 247 in NET. Jesus.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 06, 2021, 09:33:41 AM
From what I've seen in the BEast:

1) Nova
2) UCONN
3) The Hall
4) XU
5) The Dence
6) MU

The NET agrees with you. Make sure they credit you for your insight.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Golden Avalanche on December 06, 2021, 09:56:26 AM

Most people think PC is Politically Correct.  What's the problem with writing The Dence?  I didn't coin the phrase.

Call them the Friars.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: UWW2MU on December 06, 2021, 10:08:10 AM
Call them the Friars.

Who's that?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on December 06, 2021, 10:20:06 AM
Call them the Friars.

Friars is fine as long as they keep the Dalmation mascot. The friar mascot looks like he just climbed out of a time machine from the Spanish Inquisition.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 06, 2021, 10:26:42 AM
Friars is fine as long as they keep the Dalmation mascot. The friar mascot looks like he just climbed out of a time machine from the Spanish Inquisition.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bvk1pEiCAAACFMA.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 06, 2021, 10:48:20 AM
Call them the Friars.

Donut friars. Because of, yknow, Dunkin Donuts.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on December 06, 2021, 11:17:01 AM
The papier-mache looking Friar is in the bottom three of bad Big East mascots. Not as bad as Red Tuxedo Man at St. John's, though, or the Roman Centurion at Syracuse in 1981.

If you think the FKA Redmen have a bad looking mascot, look at the other candidates:

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3BaJMgGKAmE/SfG54jGiBTI/AAAAAAAAKD4/l_DdYQu9BE0/s400/mascot+search.bmp)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on December 06, 2021, 12:42:59 PM
Who's that?

don't be so Dence
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 06, 2021, 12:49:12 PM
Can't wait till we kick Provi's arse. Twice.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 06, 2021, 04:07:06 PM
Can't wait till we kick Provi's arse. Twice.

We'll take ProRi thrice!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on December 06, 2021, 04:20:07 PM
We are sure to be 'dence-ing then.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: UWW2MU on December 07, 2021, 08:49:47 AM
We are sure to be 'dence-ing then.

If that happens, maybe all we've endured with this team had been divine providence the whole time.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 07, 2021, 09:03:52 AM
BTW, I think the best thing Muggs has provided Scoop is the phrase "The Dense."  I am using it from here on out and will pay him the appropriate royalties.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on December 07, 2021, 09:42:20 AM
Pretty sneaky big night for the BE tonight

Nova v Syracuse is a very important game. Jimmy V classic at the garden and Nova is -8,5 but Syracuse has yet another Boeheim kid who’s pretty good. Need Nova to win this one.

The fighting Porter Mosers host Butler at home as 10 point favorites.
Moser off to a very good start in Oklahoma- Oklahoma is in the top 25 nationally in defending along the perimeter, holding opponents to 26.5 percent on 3-pointers.

The Dence hosts a pretty good Vermont team as 6,5 pt favorites. OU 127 there so offense will be at a premium.

DePaul looks to rebound after it’s loss to Loyola v Duquesne. They should win that but are only 8,5 pt favorites
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2021, 10:01:42 AM
Nova Needs to pound the Orange into a pulp
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 07, 2021, 11:39:29 AM
Nova Needs to pound the Orange into a pulp

Should be a fun night. Games on different networks tonight.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=62306.msg1393127#msg1393127
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 07, 2021, 12:47:49 PM
Nova Needs to pound the Orange into a pulp

Put the squeeze on 'em!

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on December 07, 2021, 05:44:53 PM
We are sure to be 'dence-ing then.
Agree Provably Dencing
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2021, 07:41:35 PM
Solid win for Cooley & Company tonight over Vermont . The Friars are now 9-1.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 07, 2021, 09:19:55 PM
Butler is getting rolled in Norman.  Nova needs to wake up vs Syracuse.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 07, 2021, 09:37:20 PM
Butler is getting rolled in Norman.  Nova needs to wake up vs Syracuse.

6 pt game now for Butler
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 07, 2021, 09:38:36 PM
Nova has taken 23 threes in 15 mins ve Syracuse.  5-23.  What's the record for three point attempts in a college game?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 07, 2021, 09:43:57 PM
Wow....Butler only down 2.  They must have read this thread.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2021, 09:50:55 PM
Wow....Butler only down 2.  They must have read this thread.
Butler up one now …..
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 07, 2021, 09:55:09 PM
Sweet Jesus.  No way that's a foul!!  FK.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 07, 2021, 09:56:08 PM
Ball
Don't
Lie

:)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 07, 2021, 09:58:49 PM
Omg.  You have gotta be sheeting me!!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 07, 2021, 09:59:19 PM
Nova has taken 23 threes in 15 mins ve Syracuse.  5-23.  What's the record for three point attempts in a college game?

Not sure about attempts but the record for makes is 42 (out of 88).
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 07, 2021, 10:01:48 PM
Omg.  You have gotta be sheeting me!!
Lucky ass shot.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2021, 10:03:49 PM
Lucky ass shot.
I agree with this analysis
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 07, 2021, 10:04:28 PM
Lucky ass shot.

100%.  That was a freaking prayer and the guy shoots 26%.  Crazy and super unfortunate.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 07, 2021, 10:13:02 PM
Wow.  Man....Butler really deserves this one.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on December 07, 2021, 10:15:04 PM
Wow.  Man....Butler really deserves this one.

It’s been a great ballgame. Hope butler pulls it out. Need their NET to rise for the conference.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 07, 2021, 10:17:02 PM
Ice it here!!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 07, 2021, 10:17:59 PM
YES!!  Big win for the BEast!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mubb3434 on December 07, 2021, 10:19:11 PM
Butler will see that NET rise tomorrow…Really nice win!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 07, 2021, 10:19:28 PM
Delighted for Lavall and Butler to pull off this big road win
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 07, 2021, 10:21:32 PM
Now we need Nova to seriously get it together.  Very poor performance to this point.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on December 07, 2021, 10:22:20 PM
I know some clamored here for Moser, but I really don’t like what I see from Oklahoma. They play pretty much all senior transfers and don’t look like they have much young talent at all.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on December 07, 2021, 10:26:07 PM
The shots aren't totally falling, but watching Nova attack the Cuse zone is a thing of beauty.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 07, 2021, 10:26:14 PM
So wait ... The Greatest Coach in Basketball History just lost at home to The Worst Team In Big East Basketball History?

How 'bout that?!?!

But seriously ... nice win for the team many expect to bring up the rear in our league, and a pretty bad loss for one of the many teams we might be battling for one of the last NCAAT spots.

It's hard to know if Jordan actually wanted to foul up 3 in neither, either or both of those situations. The first time, at the end of regulation, his players never came close to fouling, but was it only because it was a transition situation (as the announcer said)? Unfortunately, a bad shooter made a lucky heave to send it into OT. The second time, after Jordan called a TO expressly to discuss the situation, it looked to me like a Butler player reached to foul the guy who missed the 3, and that it probably should have been 3 FTs. But it wasn't called, Butler grabbed the board, and it soon was over. Unless I simply saw it wrong, which is possible, as they never showed a good replay.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 07, 2021, 10:27:54 PM
The shots aren't totally falling, but watching Nova attack the Cuse zone is a thing of beauty.

Except they can't score at all on the interior.  You're going to hage days where shots don't fall.  I believe they have only taken two free throws.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 07, 2021, 10:29:22 PM
Nova is up 1 shooting 30% and 23% from distance .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 07, 2021, 10:35:33 PM
Did Bilas just ask If it's "too late to call Jimmy Boeheim, Jimmy Buckets?"  Please.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on December 07, 2021, 10:41:53 PM
Very Nice wins by Providence, DePaul, and especially Butler.

Villanova coming on strong.
Very odd stat line in this one, the likes you don’t see too often.

Nova has attempted 15 more field goals and 30! more 3s than Syracuse.
Nova has 9 more boards, double the offensive boards, and 10 more assists in the game than Syracuse.

Despite being only 12/45 (26%) from 3 Villanova currently leads by 6 with 6 to play.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 07, 2021, 10:54:21 PM
Hopefully when we play Nova,  Slater will be 0-50 from distance.  This should have been a blowout but it's still thoroughly enjoyable to watch Syracuse lose.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 07, 2021, 10:57:37 PM
Nova's gonna be a bear for every team in the Big East to beat.

Nothing new there, of course.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on December 07, 2021, 11:01:09 PM
Good night for the big east. Wonder how many teams from the ACC make the tournament? Yikes, that conference looks terrible this year.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 07, 2021, 11:02:38 PM
Nova's gonna be a bear for every team in the Big East to beat.

Nothing new there, of course.

I actually think UCONN has the roster to give them probs with Sanogo but it's impossible to bet against Nova.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on December 07, 2021, 11:10:54 PM
Villanova wins going away.

Despite 13/50 from 3, 25%

Hard to lose any game where you attempt 21 more shots and 35 more 3s than the team you are facing.

+21 on the boards and a ton of offensive board thanks to that zone will do that.

Offensively, Villanova is super crisp with their passing, it’s impressive. I think it’s one aspect that Shaka needs to get MU better with so that the 3s can keep flying and fly a little more effectively.

As for this Syracuse team- I think this is another one that is going to be pretty good if healthy all season. Coach B only plays 5 guys but I like the parts they have- both the sons can play, the pg can play and swider/edwards can hold their own. As seems to be the case yearly, they really struggle early and seem to finish strong, likely due to the time it takes all the guys to gel and learn how to play the zone and obviously rebound effectively in it.

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on December 07, 2021, 11:16:05 PM
Butler’s Kenpom moved all the way up to 77 after their win over Oklahoma. Marquette is 76
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 07, 2021, 11:32:35 PM
I actually think UCONN has the roster to give them probs with Sanogo but it's impossible to bet against Nova.

I certainly think UConn has a chance to beat Nova. We'll see if they actually do.

Was very impressed with Nova's work on the boards vs. Cuse.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 07, 2021, 11:44:47 PM
I certainly think UConn has a chance to beat Nova. We'll see if they actually do.

Was very impressed with Nova's work on the boards vs. Cuse.

I'm not impressed with Syracuse at all. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 08, 2021, 05:06:43 AM
The Cuse Nova game is officially a neutral court game . However it was pretty much a home game for Cuse , as their fans were  most of the crowd . So an event more impressive win for Nova
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mug644 on December 08, 2021, 07:09:33 AM
The Cuse Nova game is officially a neutral court game . However it was pretty much a home game for Cuse , as their fans were  most of the crowd . So an event more impressive win for Nova

It takes about 4 hours to drive from Syracuse to the Garden. It is under two hours from Philadelphia to MSG. I guess Nova fans don't travel as well as 'Cuse fans?

Did Bilas just ask If it's "too late to call Jimmy Boeheim, Jimmy Buckets?"  Please.

I heard that and was equally aghast!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MarquetteDano on December 08, 2021, 08:00:27 AM
The Cuse Nova game is officially a neutral court game . However it was pretty much a home game for Cuse , as their fans were  most of the crowd . So an event more impressive win for Nova

Speaking of neutral,  if my math is correct the Big East-Big Twelve Battle has seven games,  and the Big 12 has 4 home.  So we go 3-4, nothing to feel bad about.  Right now it is 2-2.  If we can pull off the win tonight,  3-4 will be the minimum.

Edit: I forgot Nova plays at Baylor.  Why does the Big 12 get 5 home games while we got 3?  Ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 08, 2021, 08:17:27 AM
Speaking of neutral,  if my math is correct the Big East-Big Twelve Battle has seven games,  and the Big 12 has 4 home.  So we go 3-4, nothing to feel bad about.  Right now it is 2-2.  If we can pull off the win tonight,  3-4 will be the minimum.

Edit: I forgot Nova plays at Baylor.  Why does the Big 12 get 5 home games while we got 3?  Ridiculous.


Your math is incorrect.  Ten games.  Each conference hosts five.

Wed., Dec. 1   Providence   Texas Tech   72–68   Dunkin Donuts Center • Providence, Rhode Island   FS1   10,020   Big East (1–0)
Fri., Dec. 3   St. John's   No. 8 Kansas   95–75   UBS Arena • Elmont, New York   FS1   9,769   Tie (1–1)
Sat., Dec. 4   Creighton   No. 19 Iowa State   64–58   CHI Health Center Omaha • Omaha, Nebraska   FS1   18,294   Big 12 (2–1)
Sun., Dec. 5   Xavier   Oklahoma State   77–71   Gallagher-Iba Arena • Stillwater, Oklahoma   ESPN2   13,611   Tie (2–2)
Tue., Dec. 7   Butler   Oklahoma   66–62   Lloyd Noble Center • Norman, Oklahoma   ESPN2   11,562   Big East (3–2)
Wed., Dec. 8   Marquette   Kansas State      Bramlage Coliseum • Manhattan, Kansas   ESPN2   
No. 15 UConn   West Virginia      WVU Coliseum • Morgantown, West Virginia   ESPN2      
Thu., Dec. 9   No. 23 Seton Hall   No. 7 Texas      Prudential Center • Newark, New Jersey   FS1      
Sun., Dec. 12   No. 6 Villanova   No. 2 Baylor      Ferrell Center • Waco, Texas   ABC      
Sat., Dec. 18   Georgetown   TCU      Capital One Arena • Washington, D.C.   FS1      
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 08, 2021, 10:13:44 AM
Really hoping us and UConn get results tonight to assure at least a 5-5 split. Those remaining three are all very tough games.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillWarriors on December 08, 2021, 12:59:52 PM

Your math is incorrect.  Ten games.  Each conference hosts five.

Wed., Dec. 1   Providence   Texas Tech   72–68   Dunkin Donuts Center • Providence, Rhode Island   FS1   10,020   Big East (1–0)
Fri., Dec. 3   St. John's   No. 8 Kansas   95–75   UBS Arena • Elmont, New York   FS1   9,769   Tie (1–1)
Sat., Dec. 4   Creighton   No. 19 Iowa State   64–58   CHI Health Center Omaha • Omaha, Nebraska   FS1   18,294   Big 12 (2–1)
Sun., Dec. 5   Xavier   Oklahoma State   77–71   Gallagher-Iba Arena • Stillwater, Oklahoma   ESPN2   13,611   Tie (2–2)
Tue., Dec. 7   Butler   Oklahoma   66–62   Lloyd Noble Center • Norman, Oklahoma   ESPN2   11,562   Big East (3–2)
Wed., Dec. 8   Marquette   Kansas State      Bramlage Coliseum • Manhattan, Kansas   ESPN2   
No. 15 UConn   West Virginia      WVU Coliseum • Morgantown, West Virginia   ESPN2      
Thu., Dec. 9   No. 23 Seton Hall   No. 7 Texas      Prudential Center • Newark, New Jersey   FS1      
Sun., Dec. 12   No. 6 Villanova   No. 2 Baylor      Ferrell Center • Waco, Texas   ABC      
Sat., Dec. 18   Georgetown   TCU      Capital One Arena • Washington, D.C.   FS1

Despite the reported attendance, the crowds at OK St Sunday and OK last night were surprisingly sparse. Wouldn't mind more of that at K St.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 08, 2021, 01:24:47 PM
Despite the reported attendance, the crowds at OK St Sunday and OK last night were surprisingly sparse. Wouldn't mind more of that at K St.

Students on Christmas break already or had finals at home online after Thanksgiving like my older daughter?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 08, 2021, 01:48:15 PM
Despite the reported attendance, the crowds at OK St Sunday and OK last night were surprisingly sparse. Wouldn't mind more of that at K St.

The numbers above are the size of the arena's, not reported attendance.
Butler/OU, A-8,654
Xavier/OSU, A-7326

Yes, OSU looked to be about 2k in the building. They get terrible attendance over the years.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 08, 2021, 03:20:15 PM
The numbers above are the size of the arena's, not reported attendance.
Butler/OU, A-8,654
Xavier/OSU, A-7326

Yes, OSU looked to be about 2k in the building. They get terrible attendance over the years.

as far as Pokes fans are concerned, Basketball doesn't start until January and Big 12 conference play.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 08, 2021, 07:16:49 PM
UCONN down 3 in Morgantown.  They're missing Sanogo and Martin
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 08, 2021, 07:21:14 PM
their program is a freaking joke. how u go from powerhouse program to this is unreal. they cant give tickets away at this point
It can happen fast.

Marquette:
1977 National Champions
1986-89 The Bob Dukiet Years of Shame
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MarquetteDano on December 08, 2021, 07:57:40 PM

Your math is incorrect.  Ten games.  Each conference hosts five.

Wed., Dec. 1   Providence   Texas Tech   72–68   Dunkin Donuts Center • Providence, Rhode Island   FS1   10,020   Big East (1–0)
Fri., Dec. 3   St. John's   No. 8 Kansas   95–75   UBS Arena • Elmont, New York   FS1   9,769   Tie (1–1)
Sat., Dec. 4   Creighton   No. 19 Iowa State   64–58   CHI Health Center Omaha • Omaha, Nebraska   FS1   18,294   Big 12 (2–1)
Sun., Dec. 5   Xavier   Oklahoma State   77–71   Gallagher-Iba Arena • Stillwater, Oklahoma   ESPN2   13,611   Tie (2–2)
Tue., Dec. 7   Butler   Oklahoma   66–62   Lloyd Noble Center • Norman, Oklahoma   ESPN2   11,562   Big East (3–2)
Wed., Dec. 8   Marquette   Kansas State      Bramlage Coliseum • Manhattan, Kansas   ESPN2   
No. 15 UConn   West Virginia      WVU Coliseum • Morgantown, West Virginia   ESPN2      
Thu., Dec. 9   No. 23 Seton Hall   No. 7 Texas      Prudential Center • Newark, New Jersey   FS1      
Sun., Dec. 12   No. 6 Villanova   No. 2 Baylor      Ferrell Center • Waco, Texas   ABC      
Sat., Dec. 18   Georgetown   TCU      Capital One Arena • Washington, D.C.   FS1

Thanks for that. Makes more sense. Well if UConn pulls it out things looking decent.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 08, 2021, 08:17:06 PM
Mixed emotions about U Conn losing to Huggie Bear . Generally want the league to do well non conference . However we beat WVU , and beating U Conn enhances their resume .

Road games are tough so U  Conn probably doesn’t take too big hit with this loss
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on December 08, 2021, 08:17:56 PM
UCONN was just terrible down the stretch.  Couldn't buy a bucket.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 08, 2021, 08:51:11 PM
UCONN was just terrible down the stretch.  Couldn't buy a bucket.

Mainly because they were jacking threes. Down 1, shoot multiple threes when you’re already 3-18.. That seems like sound strategy.

We should roll the if they don’t get healthy.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on December 08, 2021, 08:56:00 PM
Mainly because they were jacking threes. Down 1, shoot multiple threes when you’re already 3-18.. That seems like sound strategy.

We should roll the if they don’t get healthy.
This team isn’t rolling anybody
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on December 08, 2021, 10:06:37 PM
It takes about 4 hours to drive from Syracuse to the Garden. It is under two hours from Philadelphia to MSG. I guess Nova fans don't travel as well as 'Cuse fans?

Syracuse brings in a lot of the LIRR crowd to the Garden. Less are driving in from upstate.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 09, 2021, 07:10:59 PM
Looks like we have a barn burner at the Pru Center.  The Hall and Texas are tied at 56 with 7 mins to go.  On FS1.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 09, 2021, 07:16:19 PM
Sloppy possessions by both teams down the stretch. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 09, 2021, 07:23:54 PM
This is some crazy sht. The refs have literally stopped the game for 10 minutes "sorting something out".  Totally inexcusable.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 09, 2021, 07:27:16 PM
These zebras should never be able to ref another game.  This cannot happen with under 4 mins left in a 2 point game.  Ever.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 09, 2021, 07:32:30 PM
These zebras should never be able to ref another game.  This cannot happen with under 4 mins left in a 2 point game.  Ever.
Surprised that Christian Bishop not getting a lot of minutes
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 09, 2021, 07:34:30 PM
This game is like MU and K State with a lot of missed shots down the stretch
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on December 09, 2021, 07:37:02 PM
Texas and SH have combined for 7 points in the last 8 min. Good grief
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 09, 2021, 07:37:48 PM
The Hall missing key free throws
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 09, 2021, 07:43:13 PM
Excellent win for The Hall
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MarquetteDano on December 09, 2021, 07:44:54 PM
Excellent win for The Hall

Using Sultan's numbers,  Big East now 5-3 in Battle.  So at worst we are breakeven.  Big East has held up really well against both the Big Ten and Big Twelve.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on December 09, 2021, 07:45:39 PM
Nice win for Seton Hall. We’ll see where Texas drops to in the NET rankings. I’m really scratching my head at how they were 16. They’ve only beaten cupcakes. Zero wins against high majors.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 09, 2021, 07:53:44 PM
Seton Hall has played down to poor teams and step up in big games.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 09, 2021, 08:31:31 PM
These zebras should never be able to ref another game.  This cannot happen with under 4 mins left in a 2 point game.  Ever.
Get a grip Muggsy.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on December 09, 2021, 08:32:55 PM
St. John's looks like a stronger, faster, more mature MU.   I wonder if they have fans advocating for them to slow down.   I wonder if Anderson cares.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 09, 2021, 09:18:11 PM
St. John's looks like a stronger, faster, more mature MU.   I wonder if they have fans advocating for them to slow down.   I wonder if Anderson cares.

Tower, you know damn well there is a difference between playing fast and playing out of control and too fast. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on December 09, 2021, 09:45:04 PM
Tower, you know damn well there is a difference between playing fast and playing out of control and too fast.

SJU has turned the ball over at a higher rate than MU against a significantly weaker schedule.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 09, 2021, 10:15:43 PM
So where is the BEast in conf NET?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 10, 2021, 11:58:13 AM
So where is the BEast in conf NET?
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=62385.msg1394373#msg1394373
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 10, 2021, 01:56:03 PM
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=62385.msg1394373#msg1394373

He meant as it compares to the other major conferences.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: forgetful on December 10, 2021, 02:24:04 PM
So where is the BEast in conf NET?

I'm sure there are other places, but it is here.

https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-conference
 (https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-conference)
BE is 2nd behind the B12.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Odartey Where Art Thou on December 10, 2021, 04:31:47 PM
In last 3 days the Big East has played 10 games and beaten the spread in 8 of those. Limited data but feeling has been BEast is undervalued.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Skatastrophy on December 10, 2021, 04:53:16 PM
DePaul vs L'ville tonight. Big test for 6-1 DePaul (+7.5).
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on December 10, 2021, 08:56:21 PM
Just as everyone expected, DePaul about to go into Freedom Hall and knock off the Cards
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 10, 2021, 09:09:22 PM
Just as everyone expected, DePaul about to go into Freedom Hall and knock off the Cards

Wow.  Smart might not be the best 1st year BE coach.  I mean, DePaul beat Rutgers, which beat Purdue, so probably DePaul #1 next week.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 10, 2021, 09:13:18 PM
Wow . Depaul is now 8-1
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 10, 2021, 09:20:40 PM
DePaul was crushing many teams. Beat Rutgers. Nice comeback versus Loyola, but lost. Was interesting to see if I was drinking the blue kool-aid on DePaul being better than most thought. Huge step in that direction.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MarquetteDano on December 10, 2021, 10:09:42 PM
Wow.  Smart might not be the best 1st year BE coach.  I mean, DePaul beat Rutgers, which beat Purdue, so probably DePaul #1 next week.

This is going to one tough conference season.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 10, 2021, 10:16:45 PM
In the last pre-pandemic season, DePaul was 12-1 with nice wins over Texas Tech, Minnesota, Iowa and Northwestern. They promptly went 1-12 in their next 13 en route to another disaster of a season.

Then last year, they went 5-14.

I'm not saying DePaul will suck again. But I'll believe they'll have a good season when they actually have a good season.

Maybe they will. Maybe this will be the year. We'll see!

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on December 10, 2021, 10:33:47 PM
In the last pre-pandemic season, DePaul was 12-1 with nice wins over Texas Tech, Minnesota, Iowa and Northwestern. They promptly went 1-12 in their next 13 en route to another disaster of a season.

Then last year, they went 5-14.

I'm not saying DePaul will suck again. But I'll believe they'll have a good season when they actually have a good season.

Maybe they will. Maybe this will be the year. We'll see!

I hear ya, but new coach brings about a new era.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 10, 2021, 11:18:10 PM
I hear ya, but new coach brings about a new era.

We'll see! DePaul has had a lot of new coaches the last 20-25 years ... one of whom was the old coach.

It's not impossible that they turn things around. But I think it's fair to judge them with an "I'll believe it when I see it," don't you?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on December 10, 2021, 11:22:26 PM
Absolutely, as long as I can see it within 5 years
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 10, 2021, 11:31:11 PM
Is Chris Mack  a better fit at Xavier or was L'Ville not supposed to do much this year? 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: 1SE on December 11, 2021, 01:30:02 AM
Wow.  Smart might not be the best 1st year BE coach.  I mean, DePaul beat Rutgers, which beat Purdue, so probably DePaul #1 next week.

I know we make fun if transitivity all the time, but the fact that 4 or MUs wins are still ranked higher in Kenpom really irks me
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 11, 2021, 05:40:22 AM
I know we make fun if transitivity all the time, but the fact that 4 or MUs wins are still ranked higher in Kenpom really irks me

So much of it is because of not laying sufficient beatdowns on those collection of letters schools, your SIUEs or NIUs. Going out tonight and pounding this UCLA squad by 30-40 would help significantly.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 11, 2021, 07:16:52 AM
The sleeping giant is awake
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: 1SE on December 11, 2021, 10:02:17 AM
So much of it is because of not laying sufficient beatdowns on those collection of letters schools, your SIUEs or NIUs. Going out tonight and pounding this UCLA squad by 30-40 would help significantly.

Shaka's 4D chess - save the beatdowns for when they really matter.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 11, 2021, 10:27:32 AM
So much of it is because of not laying sufficient beatdowns on those collection of letters schools, your SIUEs or NIUs. Going out tonight and pounding this UCLA squad by 30-40 would help significantly.

You think we're only gonna win by 30-40? Why such a Shaka-con®?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 11, 2021, 10:35:33 AM
In last 3 days the Big East has played 10 games and beaten the spread in 8 of those. Limited data but feeling has been BEast is undervalued.

Love the screen name
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 11, 2021, 10:44:04 AM
Lots of good opportunities for Big East teams today . Hopefully Some cupcake feasts as well as quality wins

The Crosstown shoot out  tonight between X and Cincy should be a great game . Zach Fremantle is back healthy for X
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 11, 2021, 11:37:09 AM
Track met for Creighton and BYU. Creighton up 20.

Wow.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 11, 2021, 11:47:47 AM
It's hard to have much faith in G-Town.  :(
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 11, 2021, 11:49:28 AM
Track met for Creighton and BYU. Creighton up 20.

Wow.
Technically a neural site game as it is in Sioux Fall SD . However I would imagine the place is full of Creighton fans
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on December 11, 2021, 12:33:35 PM
i really want g town to be good again
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 11, 2021, 12:45:15 PM
Technically a neural site game as it is in Sioux Fall SD . However I would imagine the place is full of Creighton fans
BYU travels as well. 50/50
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Oldgym on December 11, 2021, 12:46:28 PM
GTown playing well right now, up three.  Rebounding, good passes down low.  Helps that Cuse has been ice cold. 

Creighton up 15.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 11, 2021, 12:51:28 PM
Man I hope Gtown pulls this off.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 11, 2021, 12:55:05 PM
Man I hope Gtown pulls this off.

Fun game, but this is the same Cuse team that got smoked by Colgate at home.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 11, 2021, 12:58:56 PM
Fun game, but this is the same Cuse team that got smoked by Colgate at home.

I know....I just can't stand them.  :)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Oldgym on December 11, 2021, 01:04:44 PM
I know....I just can't stand them.  :)

100%

BE is two for two today so far.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 11, 2021, 01:06:43 PM
Hoya Saxa
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 11, 2021, 01:07:56 PM
Boeheim looks extremely upset!  Isn't he the same guy who said the ACC would ne the best conference in history including superior to the old BEast?  I'm not sure.  . ....is the ACC is better than the WCC this season?

:)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 11, 2021, 01:08:42 PM
I know....I just can't stand them.  :)

Wannabe Ivy Leaguers Gtown is far worse. But, if it keeps Ewing around a little longer then that’s a good thing.

Boeheim looks extremely upset!  Isn't he the same guy who said the ACC would ne the best conference in history including superior to the old BEast?  I'm not sure.  . ....is the ACC is better than the WCC this season?

:)

Boeheim had to say that. He was 100% against the move.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 11, 2021, 02:26:07 PM
Two excellent wins for The Big East . The Hoyas really needed that win for NET purposes .

Creighton with a quality win also helps the Big East Cause.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on December 11, 2021, 02:30:53 PM
I mean my memory isn’t the greatest but as far as I recall this has to be the best OOC for the Big East since it became a basketball only conference?

I don’t recall many, or perhaps any, seasons that were better.

Either an MU win or Nova win, along with X and UConn dubs would pretty much solidify a great start ahead of next weeks in conference tip-off.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhiteTrash on December 11, 2021, 02:45:58 PM
I mean my memory isn’t the greatest but as far as I recall this has to be the best OOC for the Big East since it became a basketball only conference?

I don’t recall many, or perhaps any, seasons that were better.

Either an MU win or Nova win, along with X and UConn dubs would pretty much solidify a great start ahead of next weeks in conference tip-off.
This must be driving ESPN and the ACC crazy. I thought before the season, and still do, that this is a down year for the BE. To me it speaks volumes about the quality of this conference if these are the results of a down year.

Kind of similar to what is going to become of the Big XII(football); that conference would have 5 teams in the Top 20. Right in line with the B1G and way better than the PAC12 and ACC.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 11, 2021, 02:53:46 PM
UCONN needs to take care of SBU. 

As far as this being the best BEast OOC?  It very well could be.  Although there were two tears where we had two top five teams and three top ten teams during the course of the season.  From top to bottom this may be the strongest the league has been ever but I believe we had a year or two where our Conf NET was #1 or #2. 

The ACC is a complete disaster.  :)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on December 11, 2021, 03:02:38 PM
Bonnies missing a starter.   Lofton.  Hurts them more than most.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 11, 2021, 03:36:06 PM
Bonnies missing a starter.   Lofton.  Hurts them more than most.

UCONN is missing 2 if their 3 best players. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on December 11, 2021, 03:38:57 PM
UConn is much deeper.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 11, 2021, 03:43:49 PM
UConn is much deeper.

True, but UCONN keeps bricking. 

How long are Sanogo and Mattin out?  UCONN is dangerous with their full roster..
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on December 11, 2021, 05:03:34 PM
UConn missing two was better than SBU missing one.   And SBU rolled MU.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 11, 2021, 05:11:26 PM
UConn missing two was better than SBU missing one.   And SBU rolled MU.

UCONN if healthy is gonna be a handful.  Especially if Hawkins  becomes consistent.  They are a complete team and deep.  They can be a bit streaky from distance but I think they're a potential F4 team. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on December 11, 2021, 05:14:00 PM
Absolutely.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 11, 2021, 05:16:38 PM
5 down, 4 to go for a huge BEast weekend.  Unfortunately, I'll miss Nova/Baylor tomorrow..  :(
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 11, 2021, 05:38:03 PM
I mean my memory isn’t the greatest but as far as I recall this has to be the best OOC for the Big East since it became a basketball only conference?

I don’t recall many, or perhaps any, seasons that were better.

Either an MU win or Nova win, along with X and UConn dubs would pretty much solidify a great start ahead of next weeks in conference tip-off.
UCONN needs to take care of SBU. 

As far as this bring the best BEast OOC?  It very well could be.  Although there were two tears where we had two top five teams and three top ten teams during the course of the season.  From top to bottom this may be the strongest the league has been ever but I believe we had a year or two where our Conf NET was #1 or #2. 

The ACC is a complete disaster.  :)

In 2016-17 The Big East got 7-10 out of ten teams into the tournament . The 13 game non conference that year was very strong and that carried through to the tournament selections.

Thr Big East generally has done well non conference . I agree that  this year quality wins seem to be distributed very well.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on December 11, 2021, 07:14:15 PM
Xavier with a big game tonight versus Cincinnati.

If X can pull it off they will likely be ranked for MUs trip to the Cintas one week from today, which would add a little excitement.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: wadesworld on December 11, 2021, 08:29:05 PM
How is this the broadcast crew for the Xavier/Cinci game? Awful.

Also, the on screen scoreboard is terrible. Big, blocky, and ugly.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 11, 2021, 09:23:33 PM
Wow.  X is destroying Cincy.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mug644 on December 11, 2021, 09:34:51 PM
Wow.  X is destroying Cincy.

Wow. So MU will be the only BEast to lose today.

Jinx?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 11, 2021, 09:43:27 PM
Cooley & Company wrap up Non - Conference at 10-1.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on December 12, 2021, 02:28:18 PM
 Nova-Baylor beyond ugly so far
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Oldgym on December 12, 2021, 02:39:10 PM
Nova-Baylor beyond ugly so far

I saw this movie last night.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 12, 2021, 02:49:50 PM
5 made baskets. Woof.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on December 12, 2021, 03:01:03 PM
I saw this movie last night.

Did you like the ending?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Oldgym on December 12, 2021, 03:07:48 PM
Too many plot holes to plug.  Hoping the sequel is better. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on December 12, 2021, 04:01:39 PM
Nova ends with 22% shooting from the floor and the same from 3.  Under 40 points for the first time in god knows how long.  Baylor is a great defensive team, we know this, but WOW
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 12, 2021, 04:03:55 PM
Nova ends with 22% shooting from the floor and the same from 3.  Under 40 points for the first time in god knows how long.  Baylor is a great defensive team, we know this, but WOW

Nova has issues.  They’ve really dropped anchor on offense with their pace.  They’ve got a lot of Virginia vibes
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on December 12, 2021, 04:06:05 PM
And down goes the Big East's flagship, blown out of the water.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 12, 2021, 05:23:24 PM
Wow.  I guess I didn't miss much by not catching the Nova game.  Seriously?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 12, 2021, 09:50:23 PM
What's wrong with Wright-Wojo-Dukiet? I can't believe he didn't bench Gillespie-Kolek!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BrewCity83 on December 13, 2021, 10:45:07 AM
Wow.  I guess I didn't miss much by not catching the Nova game.  Seriously?

That one was over early.  Nova only scored 15 in the 1st half.  The 2nd half was barely better.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: UWW2MU on December 13, 2021, 01:14:50 PM
I mean my memory isn’t the greatest but as far as I recall this has to be the best OOC for the Big East since it became a basketball only conference?

I don’t recall many, or perhaps any, seasons that were better.

Either an MU win or Nova win, along with X and UConn dubs would pretty much solidify a great start ahead of next weeks in conference tip-off.

the 19-20 OOC season was as good or better.  The winning percentage was low 80's and had the best head to head record against p5 schools (like this year).   That was another year we probably could have gotten 7 of 10 in the tournament if COVID didn't happen...   
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 14, 2021, 08:36:47 PM
Good grief.  Both Creighton and DePaul are in really tight games vs garbage teams.  Hopefully they pull through.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on December 14, 2021, 08:37:15 PM
Creighton losing to ASU late

DePaul struggling with UIC
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 14, 2021, 08:52:06 PM
DePaul will hold on.  Just a colossal dud game for Creighton.  Mistake, after mistake, after mistake, down the stretch.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 14, 2021, 09:01:15 PM
Bad loss for Creighton.  And bad coaching.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 14, 2021, 09:04:30 PM
Freeman-Liberty with 27 points. 9-0 run for DePaul to close the game.

After the timeout that was the play. Dribbling to slow up the court. Not one pass. Flat after the big win over BYU.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 14, 2021, 09:09:03 PM
Freeman-Liberty with 27 points. 9-0 run for DePaul to close the game.

After the timeout that was the play. Dribbling to slow up the court. Not one pass. Flat after the big win over BYU.

That's what they drew up after a time-out with 6+ secs???  Horrible coaching.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 14, 2021, 09:11:01 PM
That's what they drew up after a time-out with 6+ secs???  Horrible coaching.
I can't answer if it's coaching. As players don't do many times what coaches draw up.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 14, 2021, 09:14:14 PM
I can't answer if it's coaching. As players don't do many times what coaches draw up.

Pass the ball up the floor.  They had 6.2 secs and burned 4 secs dribbling to half-court.  It didn't look like McD had anything drawn up to me.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2021, 09:41:15 PM
Bad loss for Creighton.  And bad coaching.
Every once in a while Creighton will lay an egg when it’s not expected .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on December 15, 2021, 04:14:19 PM
Pass the ball up the floor.  They had 6.2 secs and burned 4 secs dribbling to half-court.  It didn't look like McD had anything drawn up to me.

Thanks for the info. Our power company informed us that our electricity would be off for a while for repair work starting at 10. Just as Creighton was about to inbound, it went off. I laughed but told my wife I was glad it was not a Marquette game.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 15, 2021, 08:16:15 PM
Impressive first half from Xavier.  I don't care how bad Morehead St. may be, you have to respect teams that drop the hammer.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 15, 2021, 08:52:58 PM
Impressive first half from Xavier.  I don't care how bad Morehead St. may be, you have to respect teams that drop the hammer.
Solid win for The Hoyas over their cross town rival Howard .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 16, 2021, 07:56:44 AM
The Big East standings on the left side bar are not up to date?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillWarriors on December 16, 2021, 08:35:12 AM
Impressive first half from Xavier.  I don't care how bad Morehead St. may be, you have to respect teams that drop the hammer.

X is loaded with talent and have been figuring out how to play together. Even though they were winning earlier in the season, they are playing at a different level the past few weeks. Freemantle isn't even fully back to what he can be yet, but Nunje (Iowa transfer) has found his game after the typical transfer acclimation process we've all seen and added another dimension to an already strong team. An apparent role player putting up 31 and 15 in a rivalry game against Cincy is impressive. They are legit two deep across the board and great defensively.

In terms of weaknesses, they are turnover prone and can have off shooting nights/settle for too many threes. They seem to have figured out, however, that they are better off getting the ball inside too rather than just jacking threes.

It would be a great win if MU can win at X.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 16, 2021, 09:19:13 AM
The Big East standings on the left side bar are not up to date?

Truth.  Been struggling with that.  They're not getting updated through the sports-reference API, and I'm trying to figure out how to force an update.   Probably a cache issue. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 16, 2021, 09:24:39 AM
Big East 91-24 Non Conference

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 16, 2021, 09:30:39 AM
Big East 91-24 Non Conference

Herman, any chance you have that breakdown by quadrants?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 16, 2021, 09:45:49 AM
Herman, any chance you have that breakdown by quadrants?

Sure, but keep in mind that NET takes awhile to settle:

Q1:
15-16

Q2:
6-5

Q3:
16-2 (CREI loss to ASU and GTWN loss to SC)

Q4:
51-1 (GTWN loss to DART)

Non-D1:
3-0

Overall, we are the second strongest NET conference behind the B12
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 16, 2021, 09:50:42 AM
X is loaded with talent and have been figuring out how to play together. Even though they were winning earlier in the season, they are playing at a different level the past few weeks. Freemantle isn't even fully back to what he can be yet, but Nunje (Iowa transfer) has found his game after the typical transfer acclimation process we've all seen and added another dimension to an already strong team. An apparent role player putting up 31 and 15 in a rivalry game against Cincy is impressive. They are legit two deep across the board and great defensively.

In terms of weaknesses, they are turnover prone and can have off shooting nights/settle for too many threes. They seem to have figured out, however, that they are better off getting the ball inside too rather than just jacking threes.

It would be a great win if MU can win at X.

It would be a great win.  If Kunkel goes off like he did last year I don't even know what to say.  MU needs to increase the intensity across to board and play far more disciplined basketball.  I saw that deer in the headlights look last Saturday and was thoroughly disappointed.  That can't happen.  We need team confidence, precision, poise, execution, and uncompromising tenacity  to get the W.  Maybe it's me but I do not feel we played hard for numerous stretches vs the Bruins once we got punched in the mouth.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 16, 2021, 10:04:10 AM
Sure, but keep in mind that NET takes awhile to settle:

Q1:
15-16

Q2:
6-5

Q3:
16-2 (CREI loss to ASU and GTWN loss to SC)

Q4:
51-1 (GTWN loss to DART)

Non-D1:
3-0

Overall, we are the second strongest NET conference behind the B12

Appreciate it, TAMU
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 16, 2021, 11:17:44 AM
Seton Hall has to cancel their game against Iona this weekend (doubheader with SJU/Pitt at MSG) and their next game at home against St. John's is in doubt. COVID.

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 16, 2021, 11:19:38 AM
Here we go.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: LAZER on December 16, 2021, 11:24:12 AM
Will teams still have to forfeit if they're vaccinated and follow proper protocols?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 16, 2021, 11:27:44 AM
Will teams still have to forfeit if they're vaccinated and follow proper protocols?

"If [any] Big East team can’t field enough players to play in a game on its originally intended date during the league season, the game will go down as a forfeit and a loss on that team’s conference record. A win will be assigned to the opponent."
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on December 16, 2021, 11:29:19 AM
The real fun comes when both schools can't field a team.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: zcg2013 on December 16, 2021, 11:48:36 AM
Seton Hall has to cancel their game against Iona this weekend (doubheader with SJU/Pitt at MSG) and their next game at home against St. John's is in doubt. COVID.

Apparently there are a number of unvaccinated players on SH and the team had issues with this over the summer as well.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 16, 2021, 11:54:22 AM
Seton Hall has to cancel their game against Iona this weekend (doubheader with SJU/Pitt at MSG) and their next game at home against St. John's is in doubt. COVID.

My guess is that cancelling Iona is easy because it goes down as nothing in their record. I'd be surprised if they cancel their game against St. John's since it will count as a conference loss. Unless they really don't have 5 players not in the COVID protocol.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 16, 2021, 11:59:57 AM
I'd be surprised if they cancel their game against St. John's since it will count as a conference loss. Unless they really don't have 5 players not in the COVID protocol.

Agreed, and even though I may have wagered that no games would be forfeited, I guess if they have 5 players but would be non-competitive with those players they may just elect to forfeit.  But I'm still guessing the SJU game will happen.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 16, 2021, 12:21:05 PM
Agreed, and even though I may have wagered that no games would be forfeited, I guess if they have 5 players but would be non-competitive with those players they may just elect to forfeit.  But I'm still guessing the SJU game will happen.

FYI, the Big East rule is seven scholarship players are needed to be active to play a game.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 16, 2021, 12:22:27 PM
FYI, the Big East rule is seven scholarship players are needed to be active to play a game.

All must be scholarship?

Edit:  Also smart of SHU to get this over with before the conference season!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 16, 2021, 12:54:25 PM
If Omicron gets bad enough, I wonder if the Big East will change its Covid-related rules.

Punishing fully vaccinated teams doesn't seem very fair.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 16, 2021, 03:02:00 PM
If Omicron gets bad enough, I wonder if the Big East will change its Covid-related rules.

Punishing fully vaccinated teams doesn't seem very fair.

If college had the same testing as the pro leagues a lot of games would be canceled.    Omicron is highly contagious but Delta is still the major problem as far as hospitalizations and deaths.  If we do not get to a point where people realize this is now endemic, and we have to adapt, we're going to never really get through it. 

Vaccines will clearly have to be tweaked pretty regularly.  Vaccinated people are getting Omicron.  That said our obsession with positive cases is silly at this point.  It tells us nothing and leads to more fear.  We still do not seem to know the zero prevalence rate but obviously a huge number of people who have gotten COVID, and its variants, are asymptomatic.  If the goal now is to thwart positive tests in sports leagues versus the rest of society it's not particularly useful.  I mean do we really want to get to a point where every person is tested or self-tests every day regardless if they feel sick or not?  Should we test our dogs and cats every day?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 16, 2021, 03:34:41 PM
If college had the same testing as the pro leagues a lot of games would be canceled.    Omicron is highly contagious but Delta is still the major problem as far as hospitalizations and deaths.  If we do not get to a point where people realize this is now endemic, and we have to adapt, we're going to never really get through it. 

Vaccines will clearly have to be tweaked pretty regularly.  Vaccinated people are getting Omicron.  That said our obsession with positive cases is silly at this point.  It tells us nothing and leads to more fear.  We still do not seem to know the zero prevalence rate but obviously a huge number of people who have gotten COVID, and its variants, are asymptomatic.  If the goal now is to thwart positive tests in sports leagues versus the rest of society it's not particularly useful.  I mean do we really want to get to a point where every person is tested or self-tests every day regardless if they feel sick or not?  Should we test our dogs and cats every day?



I would agree that focusing on positives would be "silly" if it weren't for the fact that Wisconsin's hospitals have more Covid patients in them at any time since January and the weekly death tolls are rising.  Throughout this pandemic, positives have been a precursor to more bad stuff happening.  And that's not good.

And it's not endemic.  Too many people are saying that out of wishful thinking rather than actual science.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: avid1010 on December 16, 2021, 04:10:41 PM


I would agree that focusing on positives would be "silly" if it weren't for the fact that Wisconsin's hospitals have more Covid patients in them at any time since January and the weekly death tolls are rising.  Throughout this pandemic, positives have been a precursor to more bad stuff happening.  And that's not good.

And it's not endemic.  Too many people are saying that out of wishful thinking rather than actual science.
I think it will become an endemic for the vaccinated...which is all but 15% of adults...and children aren't heavily affected by the disease.  I'm not sure the endemic language is wishful thinking versus science.  The NY Times referred to it as an endemic in quoting lead doctors/researchers and referenced that for the vaccinated this is may not be any more concerning than the flu.

For the unvaccinated...well you can't fix stupid. 

From the NY Times:

Endemic - As Dr. Monica Gandhi and Dr. Leslie Bienen, two public health experts, wrote in a recent Times Opinion article, “America is in the slow process of accepting that Covid-19 will become endemic — meaning it will always be present in the population at varying levels.”

Severity - If that continues to be true, it will mean that Omicron — like earlier variants — presents only a very small risk of serious illness to most vaccinated people. It is the kind of risk that people accept every day without reordering their lives, not so different from the chances of hospitalization or death from the flu or a car crash.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 16, 2021, 05:31:04 PM
Gents, while I appreciated this conversation started as part of BE games potentially getting cancelled, I must request you move it to the whole board dedicated to covid.  The topic has proven to be quite polarizing and charged on the hoops board.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?board=15.0

Back to BE conference results.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 16, 2021, 06:20:46 PM
Truth.  Been struggling with that.  They're not getting updated through the sports-reference API, and I'm trying to figure out how to force an update.   Probably a cache issue.

OK, I think I got it.  We'll find out after the Nova / Creighton game tomorrow.  It still usually takes a bit before sports-reference updates their data.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 17, 2021, 11:39:45 AM
Interesting news from a NYC sports reporter. It could just be smoke, but who knows with Seton Hall and Kevin Willard:

So from what I’m hearing Seton Hall has enough healthy players to play. BUT they are choosing to not play because of some Covid cases. And they will mark the game as a forfeit to #SJUBB Monday and avoid penalties (ie losing, etc). How is it fair for teams who need these games?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: fjm on December 17, 2021, 11:46:10 AM
Interesting news from a NYC sports reporter. It could just be smoke, but who knows with Seton Hall and Kevin Willard:

So from what I’m hearing Seton Hall has enough healthy players to play. BUT they are choosing to not play because of some Covid cases. And they will mark the game as a forfeit to #SJUBB Monday and avoid penalties (ie losing, etc). How is it fair for teams who need these games?

Dumb by the hall.

But it does beg the question. Do you play the system and forfeit against a team like nova? Where we have a low chance of winning. It wipes a L off.

Wait. I just realized it doesn’t wipe an L off. You still get an L. But I wonder if it gets put in as a 2-0 Loss.

So that looks way better in NET than a 65-52 loss.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: LAZER on December 17, 2021, 11:55:53 AM
Dumb by the hall.

But it does beg the question. Do you play the system and forfeit against a team like nova? Where we have a low chance of winning. It wipes a L off.

Wait. I just realized it doesn’t wipe an L off. You still get an L. But I wonder if it gets put in as a 2-0 Loss.

So that looks way better in NET than a 65-52 loss.
I'm not sure it's necessarily dumb, but if true, it's a really garbage move by them.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 17, 2021, 11:59:23 AM
Interesting news from a NYC sports reporter. It could just be smoke, but who knows with Seton Hall and Kevin Willard:

So from what I’m hearing Seton Hall has enough healthy players to play. BUT they are choosing to not play because of some Covid cases. And they will mark the game as a forfeit to #SJUBB Monday and avoid penalties (ie losing, etc). How is it fair for teams who need these games?

If true, Big East needs to step in. Find some penalty for intentionally taking a forfeit when one was not needed.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 17, 2021, 12:00:52 PM
How can you avoid the penalty of losing when you have to forfeit?  Should that be considered a flat out loss?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 17, 2021, 12:02:35 PM
How can you avoid the penalty of losing when you have to forfeit?  Should that be considered a flat out loss?

Guessing the idea is that a covid forfeit would be viewed in a more positive light than losing to a lesser team because you're playing down several players. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 17, 2021, 12:30:58 PM
How can you avoid the penalty of losing when you have to forfeit?  Should that be considered a flat out loss?

Any Big East team that has to forfeit due to COVID takes a loss. I'd imagine it's marked officially as a 2-0 loss, which is fine for teams that legitimately can't field a team (7 players minimum).

Seton Hall supposedly has at least 7 players to play, meaning they don't have to forfeit. But let's say for argument that they have only three players out with COVID but those players are Jared Rhoden, Alexis Yetna, and Tyrese Samuel. Seton Hall may decide it's better to take a 2-0 loss to SJU than play them without three of their best players and possibly get blown out. Chances are the committee won't punish teams with COVID issues too harshly, but they will punish a team that gets blown out by a middle of the pack conference team. It helps Seton Hall but hurts St. John's because I doubt the committee would reward them at all for a 2-0 forfeit victory over Seton Hall, damaging their chances of making the tourney.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Equalizer on December 17, 2021, 12:59:46 PM
Any Big East team that has to forfeit due to COVID takes a loss. I'd imagine it's marked officially as a 2-0 loss, which is fine for teams that legitimately can't field a team (7 players minimum).

Seton Hall supposedly has at least 7 players to play, meaning they don't have to forfeit. But let's say for argument that they have only three players out with COVID but those players are Jared Rhoden, Alexis Yetna, and Tyrese Samuel. Seton Hall may decide it's better to take a 2-0 loss to SJU than play them without three of their best players and possibly get blown out. Chances are the committee won't punish teams with COVID issues too harshly, but they will punish a team that gets blown out by a middle of the pack conference team. It helps Seton Hall but hurts St. John's because I doubt the committee would reward them at all for a 2-0 forfeit victory over Seton Hall, damaging their chances of making the tourney.

It damages their chances of making the tourney only if you assume they would have won that game and needed that win as part of their body of work.  If you assume they would have lost, it probably helps them marginally (slightly better W/L percentage, lack of a loss in the NET, slightly better BEt seed, etc.).

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 17, 2021, 01:43:29 PM
It damages their chances of making the tourney only if you assume they would have won that game and needed that win as part of their body of work.  If you assume they would have lost, it probably helps them marginally (slightly better W/L percentage, lack of a loss in the NET, slightly better BEt seed, etc.).

Sure...but the only time that I expect a team to forfeit when they don't need to, is when they expect that they are going to get blown out because they are missing key players.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: fjm on December 17, 2021, 01:53:20 PM
Any Big East team that has to forfeit due to COVID takes a loss. I'd imagine it's marked officially as a 2-0 loss, which is fine for teams that legitimately can't field a team (7 players minimum).

Seton Hall supposedly has at least 7 players to play, meaning they don't have to forfeit. But let's say for argument that they have only three players out with COVID but those players are Jared Rhoden, Alexis Yetna, and Tyrese Samuel. Seton Hall may decide it's better to take a 2-0 loss to SJU than play them without three of their best players and possibly get blown out. Chances are the committee won't punish teams with COVID issues too harshly, but they will punish a team that gets blown out by a middle of the pack conference team. It helps Seton Hall but hurts St. John's because I doubt the committee would reward them at all for a 2-0 forfeit victory over Seton Hall, damaging their chances of making the tourney.

That crap is so fuked.

BEast needs to address that. Otherwise Shaka is silly to not take a covid loss to nova and at UConn.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 17, 2021, 01:55:12 PM
I am sure Fox isn't pleased that two programs in the NYC area won't be playing a scheduled game.  The BE should step in to provide stricter guidelines.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: fjm on December 17, 2021, 02:08:22 PM
—As outlined in Big East policy, the 16th-ranked Pirates (9-1) will suffer a forfeit loss and St. John's gains a forfeit win that will impact the conference standings and Big East Tournament seeding only. For NCAA purposes, the result for both Seton Hall and St. John's will be "no contests," meaning it will not appear on either program's overall record, nor will it impact the NET ranking or NCAA Tournament consideration  — beyond the intangible impact of missed opportunities. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 17, 2021, 02:09:39 PM
I am sure Fox isn't pleased that two programs in the NYC area won't be playing a scheduled game.  The BE should step in to provide stricter guidelines.

I don't think it's officially cancelled yet. Just Billy's info?  Or did I miss something?

Edit: Oh just found this.  Also "sources", no BE statement yet:
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2021/12/17/seton-hall-basketballs-big-east-opener-vs-st-johns-cancelled-due-covid/8942337002/
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 17, 2021, 02:11:43 PM
I don't think it's officially cancelled yet. Just Billy's info?  Or did I miss something?

Jerry Carino reported it as cancelled
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 17, 2021, 02:34:57 PM
https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1471933391834599428
Quote
Zach Braziller
@NYPost_Brazille
An official announcement from the Big East is coming later today on St. John's-Seton Hall forfeit. Source said nothing has been decided on Thursday's DePaul-Seton Hall game. Both programs have COVID-19 issues. #sjubb #shbb #bigeasthoops
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 17, 2021, 02:49:18 PM
from the SJU beat writer at the NY Post:

Seton Hall-St. John's is off and will be ruled a forfeit for the time being, sources confirmed. Pirates would only have six healthy scholarship players. You need seven. #sjubb #shbb
@NJHoopsHaven
 first.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: wadesworld on December 17, 2021, 03:17:55 PM
I hate SHU/Willard. The fans I sat by the first year in the Fiserv were absolute clowns too.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 17, 2021, 03:54:29 PM
I hate SHU/Willard. The fans I sat by the first year in the Fiserv were absolute clowns too.

then you definitely don't want to go to the Prudential Center for a Seton Hall game!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 17, 2021, 08:49:37 PM
Creighton takes Nova behind the woodshed.

Creighton played well, especially on D, but Nova played poorly. Lotsa 1-on-1 play and very bad shooting.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 17, 2021, 08:53:35 PM
Creighton takes Nova behind the woodshed.

Creighton played well, especially on D, but Nova played poorly. Lotsa 1-on-1 play and very bad shooting.

Nova has not looked like Nova this year.  Creighton has not looked like Creighton this year.  Not sure if I'm encouraged because even Creighton can beat Nova, or discouraged because prior to this Nova "has only lost to ranked teams".  Guess I'll call it a wash and look forward to some hopefully good hoops!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 17, 2021, 09:01:26 PM
Nova needs to start earning the ranking they keep getting this year
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 17, 2021, 09:19:43 PM
Whoa.. ..Creighton by 20??

Crazy stuff.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 17, 2021, 09:36:56 PM
Creighton at home is a very tough team. With their offensive system they can get hot and put points on the board and if they play D like they did tonight they can win big .

Unfortunately they also  could turn around and lose to DePaul. That is just the nature of who they are .

They are a fun team to watch though
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 17, 2021, 10:17:32 PM
Creighton at home is a very tough team. With their offensive system they can get hot and put points on the board and if they play D like they did tonight they can win big .

Unfortunately they also  could turn around and lose to DePaul. That is just the nature of who they are .

They are a fun team to watch though

They looked abysmal against Arizona St.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 17, 2021, 10:59:47 PM
Whoa.. ..Creighton by 20??

Crazy stuff.

Despite being pretty badly outplayed, Nova was within 2 with 7-8 minutes to go. Then several empty possessions, mostly on 1-on-1 moves and/or bad shots, and Creighton kept scoring inside and out. Just like that, it was up to 15-16 points.

This was a well-earned win by Creighton and a well-earned loss by Nova. It happens.

Does this mean the Big East is gonna be wide-open this season? We'll see!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 17, 2021, 11:38:02 PM
Despite being pretty badly outplayed, Nova was within 2 with 7-8 minutes to go. Then several empty possessions, mostly on 1-on-1 moves and/or bad shots, and Creighton kept scoring inside and out. Just like that, it was up to 15-16 points.

This was a well-earned win by Creighton and a well-earned loss by Nova. It happens.

Does this mean the Big East is gonna be wide-open this season? We'll see!

I'm not sure about  "wide open" but I did say that UCONN and Xavier have more overall talent than Nova.  As far as Creighton is concerned I can't imagine Jay Wright is happy.  Let me just say this:  MU could make Blue Whale decibel noise with a win tomorrow followed by a win at home vs UCONN. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: muwarrior69 on December 18, 2021, 11:25:07 AM
Boy, if I was a St. John's fan I would be pretty pissed. FS1 is still showing the FIFA game. The least they could do is show the game on FS2.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 18, 2021, 12:27:27 PM
Boy, if I was a St. John's fan I would be pretty pissed. FS1 is still showing the FIFA game. The least they could do is show the game on FS2.

When this game was scheduled it was going to feature the Champagnie twins. Neither are playing in this game now.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 18, 2021, 12:32:10 PM
St. John's better wake up.  Purdue is demolishing Butler. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 18, 2021, 12:35:49 PM
St. John's better wake up.  Purdue is demolishing Butler.

Butler is terrible.  Send them back to the A-10
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 18, 2021, 12:48:26 PM
Butler is terrible.  Send them back to the A-10

LOL.  They can look really bad.  And I mean bad.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: zcg2013 on December 18, 2021, 01:17:28 PM
Pitt up 1 with a minute left. This could get ugly.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 18, 2021, 01:18:49 PM
LOL.  They can look really bad.  And I mean bad.

They are playing a legit national title contender short handed. It’s not like they’re playing Eastern Illinois or St Bonaventure.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 18, 2021, 01:20:25 PM
This would be a monumental meltdown by St. J against a garbage Pitt team.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 18, 2021, 01:28:34 PM
This would be a monumental meltdown by St. J against a garbage Pitt team.

I’m not sure how losing a three point lead without your all-America star is a meltdown. That said, terrible D not picking up earlier on that last Pitt possession.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 18, 2021, 01:29:13 PM
I’m not sure how losing a three point lead without your all-America star is a meltdown. That said, terrible D not picking up earlier on that last Pitt possession.

Losing to Pitt in general might be
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 18, 2021, 01:33:07 PM
Mike Anderson should be fired
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on December 18, 2021, 01:37:37 PM
I don’t care if Champagnie is out. Short of the entire starting 5 being out with COVID and replaced by the pep band, losing to probably the worst P6 team at home is horrible.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 18, 2021, 01:50:05 PM
I don’t care if Champagnie is out. Short of the entire starting 5 being out with COVID and replaced by the pep band, losing to probably the worst P6 team at home is horrible.

Exactly.  They also missed about 6 free throws down the stretch.  Terrible loss.  Can't happen.  #Inexcusable
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 18, 2021, 03:07:53 PM
It's never good when you lose to TCU at home.  Ewing's days are numbered.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 18, 2021, 03:23:53 PM
Add Ewing to the list of coaches that should be fired along with Mike Anderson and Jay Wright
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 18, 2021, 03:34:06 PM
St John's already needs to win the Big East tourney for a NCAA bid and it's not even Christmas.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 18, 2021, 05:47:48 PM
PC or Providence College is up 6 late on UCONN at UCONN.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 18, 2021, 06:26:36 PM
St John's already needs to win the Big East tourney for a NCAA bid and it's not even Christmas.

Laughable overreaction. Not having Champagnie will be factored into today’s loss. 12-6 in BE play will do it, especially with a dearth of quality Power 5 at large candidates.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 18, 2021, 06:29:42 PM
Laughable overreaction. Not having Champagnie will be factored into today’s loss. 12-6 in BE play will do it, especially with a dearth of quality Power 5 at large candidates.

Well, they’re 78th in KenPom and their best win is Monmouth.  They’re projected to go 8-12 in league which seems much more likely than 12-6 or 13-7 or 12-8.

They entered today 86th in NET.  Brew is pretty close to being right and is so at the moment.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 18, 2021, 07:14:17 PM
Big win for Cooley & Company. Beat their local rival which is always a sweet thing .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 18, 2021, 07:17:59 PM
Big win for Cooley & Company. Beat their local rival which is always a sweet thing .

I just saw the last 5 mins but it looked like brick city for UCONN.  Hopefully they shoot like that on Tues.  We desperately need that game. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 18, 2021, 07:26:22 PM
I just saw the last 5 mins but it looked like brick city for UCONN.  Hopefully they shoot like that on Tues.  We desperately need that game.

I know prior games don't really matter, but I would have preferred they blew out PC today and came in to the FF feeling confident, as opposed to hungry for a win.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 18, 2021, 10:36:53 PM
Well, they’re 78th in KenPom and their best win is Monmouth.  They’re projected to go 8-12 in league which seems much more likely than 12-6 or 13-7 or 12-8.

They entered today 86th in NET.  Brew is pretty close to being right and is so at the moment.

Well then, no reason to play the games. I’ll bet KenPom got today’s game right too, yeah? KenPom has spoken, off to March.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 18, 2021, 10:40:50 PM
I know prior games don't really matter, but I would have preferred they blew out PC today and came in to the FF feeling confident, as opposed to hungry for a win.

I heat ya.  From what I saw they missed a plethora of wide open looks.  Either way they are a completely different team without Sanogo.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on December 18, 2021, 10:40:57 PM
Laughable overreaction. Not having Champagnie will be factored into today’s loss. 12-6 in BE play will do it, especially with a dearth of quality Power 5 at large candidates.

Pitt is horrible. This is a really, really, really bad loss for SJU. Quad 4 loss I believe.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on December 18, 2021, 10:59:13 PM
Pitt is horrible. This is a really, really, really bad loss for SJU. Quad 4 loss I believe.

It probably moves to Quad 3 once the ACC schedule lifts up Pitt's numbers. 

A loss to Pitt still looks better than a loss to Dartmouth.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on December 18, 2021, 11:21:52 PM
Well, they’re 78th in KenPom and their best win is Monmouth.  They’re projected to go 8-12 in league which seems much more likely than 12-6 or 13-7 or 12-8.

They entered today 86th in NET.  Brew is pretty close to being right and is so at the moment.

Isn't that pretty close to where Marquette falls in KenPom and NET?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 19, 2021, 04:38:48 AM
Well then, no reason to play the games. I’ll bet KenPom got today’s game right too, yeah? KenPom has spoken, off to March.

No, as of right now, St. John’s isn’t a tournament team or close to it.  Brew said they’d have to win the Big East tournament to get in, which is correct as of today.

The numbers suggest he’s right, too. A lot can change between now and March.  They can go on a heater during league play and eliminate any doubt.  KenPom doesn’t guarantee anything but it shows St. John’s has no room for error right now and better start winning games which the way they’re playing, seems unlikely.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 19, 2021, 04:40:26 AM
Isn't that pretty close to where Marquette falls in KenPom and NET?

Yeah, they were seperated by one spot as of yesterday.  Both need to collect a lot of wins in league play.  St. John’s need more because they have zero quality wins
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on December 19, 2021, 07:19:10 AM
It probably moves to Quad 3 once the ACC schedule lifts up Pitt's numbers. 

A loss to Pitt still looks better than a loss to Dartmouth.

I think you’re overestimating the quality of the acc.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 19, 2021, 11:32:24 AM
Laughable overreaction. Not having Champagnie will be factored into today’s loss. 12-6 in BE play will do it, especially with a dearth of quality Power 5 at large candidates.

They have zero non-con wins of note. 12-7 in conference likely won't be enough, and they already lost an opportunity with SHU cancelled.

On a game-by-game basis, they are projected to win 6 games. Expecting them to double that is simply unrealistic, which is why it's BET or bust.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 20, 2021, 03:50:13 PM
four Big East teams in this week's poll: SH at 15, Xavier at 18, Providence at 22, Nova at 23. UConn drops out.


On a game-by-game basis, they are projected to win 6 games. Expecting them to double that is simply unrealistic, which is why it's BET or bust.

I forget, how did the infallible KenPom predict our games against Illinois, Ole Miss, and WVU? How about Nova/Creighton?  Hell, they predicted Michigan as the #2 team in the country coming into this season.

The ACC is down, they could only get 3 or 4 bids. The Pac-12 may only get 3 or 4, which opens up more at large spots for the top conference in the country. Plus, we know the committee doesn't want to give at-large bids to non-Power 5 conferences.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 20, 2021, 03:57:34 PM
four Big East teams in this week's poll: SH at 15, Xavier at 18, Providence at 22, Nova at 23. UConn drops out.

I forget, how did the infallible KenPom predict our games against Illinois, Ole Miss, and WVU? How about Nova/Creighton?  Hell, they predicted Michigan as the #2 team in the country coming into this season.

The ACC is down, they could only get 3 or 4 bids. The Pac-12 may only get 3 or 4, which opens up more at large spots for the top conference in the country. Plus, we know the committee doesn't want to give at-large bids to non-Power 5 conferences.

KenPom isn’t infallible and he’s the first to admit it.  It’s a predictive system of averages.  St. John’s can definitely swing either way but it’s also true they have nothing to show right now and wouldn’t sniff the bubble
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on December 20, 2021, 04:37:00 PM
KenPom isn’t infallible and he’s the first to admit it.  It’s a predictive system of averages.  St. John’s can definitely swing either way but it’s also true they have nothing to show right now and wouldn’t sniff the bubble

SJU (with Champaigne) will be a really tough out. Their NC scheduling is pathetic and has done them no favors in prep for conference play. There will be plenty of opportunities for quality wins in the BE. Winning the right games and not losing the right games should let SJU get in with 10 to 12 wins.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 20, 2021, 05:52:52 PM
SJU (with Champaigne) will be a really tough out. Their NC scheduling is pathetic and has done them no favors in prep for conference play. There will be plenty of opportunities for quality wins in the BE. Winning the right games and not losing the right games should let SJU get in with 10 to 12 wins.

I think that’s possible.  Even with Champaigne, though, it’s definitely not a guarantee. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 20, 2021, 06:16:10 PM
I forget, how did the infallible KenPom predict our games against Illinois, Ole Miss, and WVU? How about Nova/Creighton?  Hell, they predicted Michigan as the #2 team in the country coming into this season.

Well you put the target at 12. That's probably the minimum they need thanks to their atrocious non-con. I'm taking the under on 12 Big East wins for the Johnnies, which means BET title or bust.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Skatastrophy on December 20, 2021, 07:45:06 PM
DePaul v Creighton game cancelled due to DePaul's COVID-19 problems. This counts as an L for DePaul in conference... which is dumb.

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on December 20, 2021, 07:52:57 PM
DePaul v Creighton game cancelled due to DePaul's COVID-19 problems. This counts as an L for DePaul in conference... which is dumb.

Everything about these cancellations are dumb. Why not just reschedule ?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: muwarrior69 on December 21, 2021, 06:50:54 PM
Nova is down 8 to X at the half.  Sure do not look like the Nova teams of late. Their outside shooting is as bad as ours.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mileskishnish72 on December 21, 2021, 06:56:52 PM
Nova is down 8 to X at the half. Their outside shooting is as bad as ours.

If we had a 4-game stretch of 3-point shooting like Nova, Scoop would undergo spontaneous combustion.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 21, 2021, 07:53:04 PM
The reports of Villanova’s demise have been exaggerated
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 22, 2021, 10:20:09 AM
Big 12 and Big West have changed their COVID policies. No more forfeits. Will the BE be next?

ACC has changed theirs too. BE will “consider” a change.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 22, 2021, 05:32:04 PM
Big East eliminates forfeits, signs point to retroactively reversing the ones already awarded.

https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1473790352247201805
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on December 22, 2021, 07:55:06 PM
Good.

It's the only thing that makes sense, and the only thing that's fair.

Punishing people for doing nothing wrong is stoopid.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 22, 2021, 09:49:11 PM
Good.

It's the only thing that makes sense, and the only thing that's fair.

Punishing people for doing nothing wrong is stoopid.

Agreed, especially when you have a fully vaccinated team like DePaul with just a couple of asymptomatic players that put others in protocol.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 23, 2021, 01:15:58 PM
St. John’s v. Butler for tonight is off.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mileskishnish72 on December 24, 2021, 06:43:08 AM
Well, despite the fact that we're in the 11 slot, we're in pretty good company with UConn, Nova and Xavier as the only teams with losses.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: willie warrior on December 24, 2021, 07:07:24 AM
Well, despite the fact that we're in the 11 slot, we're in pretty good company with UConn, Nova and Xavier as the only teams with losses.
Yeah. We should try to sugar coat all of our shortcomings by deflecting toward other teams. 11 slot is not acceptable and is mid major territory at best.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 24, 2021, 09:29:18 AM
Yeah. We should try to sugar coat all of our shortcomings by deflecting toward other teams. 11 slot is not acceptable and is mid major territory at best.

2 games into conference season.

Beats 3 of the high major teams in non con

Beats all mid majors we've played.

Willie: THIS TEAM IS MID MAJOR AT BEST!!!!!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 24, 2021, 09:34:17 AM
Only losses are to ranked teams

I personally think we need to drop this as some sort of impressive achievement.  MU is 1-4 against ranked teams.   7-1 against the rest.  UConn wasn't ranked when we played - and the bonnies certainly aren't anymore either, but I'll grant you they were ranked at the time of the game.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 24, 2021, 09:42:12 AM
I personally think we need to drop this as some sort of impressive achievement.  MU is 1-4 against ranked teams.   7-1 against the rest.  UConn wasn't ranked when we played - and the bonnies certainly aren't anymore either, but I'll grant you they were ranked at the time of the game.

That's fair, I retract that statement.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 24, 2021, 12:25:17 PM
2 games into conference season.

Beats 3 of the high major teams in non con

Beats all mid majors we've played.

Willie: THIS TEAM IS MID MAJOR AT BEST!!!!!

Where are those high majors predicted to finish in their conferences? There’s a difference between beating Oregon State and Arizona. Mississippi is 11-1 in Ken Pom, which we all know is never wrong. WVU, with a weak schedule is our best win at 41.

And isn’t St Bonaventure, who absolutely throttled us, a mid-major?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 24, 2021, 01:04:01 PM
Ahem, Illinois.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 29, 2021, 01:26:44 PM
St John’s and Seton Hall are now scheduled to play back to back games, 1/22 and 1/24, one at MSG and one at Walsh Gymnasium. MU could end up playing a BE game at the the Al.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on December 29, 2021, 01:40:53 PM
St John’s and Seton Hall are now scheduled to play back to back games, 1/22 and 1/24, one at MSG and one at Walsh Gymnasium. MU could end up playing a BE game at the the Al.

Glad they are willing to do this and it should have happened with MU and Creighton this week.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Elonsmusk on December 29, 2021, 01:48:15 PM
I personally think we need to drop this as some sort of impressive achievement.  MU is 1-4 against ranked teams.   7-1 against the rest.  UConn wasn't ranked when we played - and the bonnies certainly aren't anymore either, but I'll grant you they were ranked at the time of the game.

Why were you so soft on, and supportive of Wojo for 5-6 years, yet continue to nitpick at this team's accomplishments in Year 1 under Shaka?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on December 29, 2021, 01:53:21 PM
His board, his rules.   
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 29, 2021, 02:24:20 PM
Glad they are willing to do this and it should have happened with MU and Creighton this week.

travel arrangements likely played a role in the decisions. SJ and SH could take public transit from campus to campus if they have to, CU and MU have to fly. I know MU charters for every game but I don't know what CU does.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on December 29, 2021, 04:30:01 PM
travel arrangements likely played a role in the decisions. SJ and SH could take public transit from campus to campus if they have to, CU and MU have to fly. I know MU charters for every game but I don't know what CU does.

Whatever CU does, MU could've chartered in to Omaha tonight or tomorrow. Creighton's plans wouldn't have changed because they were scheduled to play at home tonight and here Saturday, so nothing would've tangibly changed.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 29, 2021, 05:32:23 PM
Why were you so soft on, and supportive of Wojo for 5-6 years, yet continue to nitpick at this team's accomplishments in Year 1 under Shaka?

That's simple.  Wojo came in with no head coaching experience, but proved to be a pretty good recruiter and we all hoped he could learn to coach.  That didn't happen unfortunately, but we did need time to see if he could learn.

Shaka comes in as an experienced head coach in his 13th year.  We've seen what he *can* do, and I expected him to hit the ground running.  So far, it appears he's just doing warm ups.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on December 29, 2021, 06:54:12 PM
What's up with Providence's jerseys?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on December 29, 2021, 08:57:27 PM
Solid win for Cooley & Company over The Hall.

Butler also gets a Big East victory with a win over DePaul
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 30, 2021, 09:33:07 AM
That's simple.  Wojo came in with no head coaching experience, but proved to be a pretty good recruiter and we all hoped he could learn to coach.  That didn't happen unfortunately, but we did need time to see if he could learn.

Shaka comes in as an experienced head coach in his 13th year.  We've seen what he *can* do, and I expected him to hit the ground running.  So far, it appears he's just doing warm ups.

I agree with this analysis. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: NolongerWarriors on December 30, 2021, 09:50:46 AM
That's simple.  Wojo came in with no head coaching experience, but proved to be a pretty good recruiter and we all hoped he could learn to coach.  That didn't happen unfortunately, but we did need time to see if he could learn.

Shaka comes in as an experienced head coach in his 13th year.  We've seen what he *can* do, and I expected him to hit the ground running.  So far, it appears he's just doing warm ups.

It feels like a team of placeholders.

Lewis is the only guy you would really, really want back.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 01, 2022, 03:12:54 PM
Providence up 42-17 at the half at DePaul after the Demons went 9-1 in non-conference. The world is normal again.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 02, 2022, 10:13:57 AM
Cooley & Company now 13-1. Some consistent performance the rest of the season and they will make it in the tournament
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on January 05, 2022, 05:55:25 PM
SJU-Depaul.   Just played through a media timeout without a play stoppage.   SJU, who hasn't played in 20 days and has been unable to hold a team practice in that window, were all gesturing to Anderson that they wanted to be subbed out.   Not sure he has 5 subs.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 05, 2022, 06:30:59 PM
Johnnies up 4 at the half despite being 2 for 18 on layups. That's not COVID rust.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 05, 2022, 07:42:28 PM
SJU-Depaul.   Just played through a media timeout without a play stoppage.   SJU, who hasn't played in 20 days and has been unable to hold a team practice in that window, were all gesturing to Anderson that they wanted to be subbed out.   Not sure he has 5 subs.

extremely shorthanded Johnnies playing for the first time in 20 days take care of DePaul (so much for "DePaul is back" for another year LOL). Champagnie with an absolute monster game - 34 and 16. Not quite what we did last night, but SJU with 18 assists on 33 made FG's.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on January 05, 2022, 07:48:08 PM
Johnnies up 4 at the half despite being 2 for 18 on layups. That's not COVID rust.

they couldn’t get the legs under their shots
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 05, 2022, 08:35:25 PM
Nova up 14 at half versus Creighton. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 05, 2022, 10:08:39 PM
Anybody else salty that Nova couldn't let our 32pt victory ride for even a couple days by clobbering Creighton by 34!?!?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on January 05, 2022, 10:17:05 PM
Anybody else salty that Nova couldn't let our 32pt victory ride for even a couple days by clobbering Creighton by 34!?!?

You beat me to it. They just couldn't let us enjoy our blowout win for a few days. Bunch of showboaters!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Golden Avalanche on January 06, 2022, 09:13:16 AM
Anybody else salty that Nova couldn't let our 32pt victory ride for even a couple days by clobbering Creighton by 34!?!?

Only appropriate salt is choking away the Creighton win. Jays have all the tools to be a 9th place team. We'll rue that missed opportunity come bubble season.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: 1SE on January 06, 2022, 10:12:52 AM
That has to be about the biggest point swing between first and second meeting ever in the BE if not the NCAA - 54 points!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on January 06, 2022, 12:38:15 PM
Anybody else salty that Nova couldn't let our 32pt victory ride for even a couple days by clobbering Creighton by 34!?!?

The Big East is likely a lock for 5 bids
Currently it would be Nova, UConn, X, SH, Providence.

With as good of a season as the conference has had the BE seems highly likely to get 6 bids if things shake out appropriately.
7 bids are possible but would seem like a stretch (first 4 game?)

The current 6th and 7th teams in the conference are Creighton and MU. StJ can slide into this group with a bunch of wins.
It would behoove Marquette to stay ahead of Creighton and StJ in the pecking order come March. That’s why that home loss the other day was so tough, but there’s a lot of time to make a loss like that up.

That said, I know this is “way too early” and there’s a lot of basketball to be played, after all MU needs to find a way to get 10 wins one way or another.

Also, I’m sure Brew will cringe because the committee doesn’t look at conferences, they just take the best at large teams, but it can’t hurt to have a better resume than the other bubble teams inside your conference.

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on January 06, 2022, 02:23:10 PM
Also, I’m sure Brew will cringe because the committee doesn’t look at conferences, they just take the best at large teams, but it can’t hurt to have a better resume than the other bubble teams inside your conference.

;D

So first off, I agree that the Big East is looking at a floor of 5 bids with 6 likely and 7 possible. And while they don't look at conferences, that doesn't mean that conference results against other conferences don't impact number of bids. Here's the total number of games by quadrant left on Marquette's schedule:

Quadrant 1: 8 games
Quadrant 2: 1 game (2 if we make up @ St. John's)
Quadrant 3: 6 games
Quadrant 4: 0 games

For this team to be at-large worthy, my contention has been they need to win 11 Big East games, which at a bare minimum gives us 3 more Quadrant 1 wins to the two we already have. So compare that with a bubble team from another league, say North Carolina.

Quadrant 1: 5 games
Quadrant 2: 4 games
Quadrant 3: 4 games
Quadrant 4: 3 games

Currently, UNC has no Quad 1 wins. So if Marquette does what I think they need to do to be on the right side of the bubble (5 Q1 wins) and they were being compared to UNC, the Tar Heels would have to sweep their Quad 1 opportunities to match MU's Q1 win total. That would mean sweeping Duke and beating Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Wake Forest on the road (they project as underdogs in all 5 games) and they would also want to avoid more bad (Q3/4) losses, which would be difficult because they play more such games and in this scenario, we are assuming MU sweeps their Q3 games as any total that gets to 11 Big East wins and adds Q3 losses would necessitate even more Quad 1 wins added, which would strengthen the resume more than the Q3 loss would hurt it.

That's a long way of saying that while they won't look at league affiliation, your league affiliation will determine who you play, how many good (Q1+2) win opportunities you get, and how many bad (Q3+4) loss opportunities you have. In the Big East, the better metrics mean the league is likely to put more teams in because almost anyone that finishes 11-9 or better in the league is probably getting in, aside from Butler and Georgetown, who probably don't have a shot at 11+ Big East wins anyway.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on January 06, 2022, 05:04:25 PM
Great stuff.

You still of the opinion that 9 conference wins (assuming MU plays them all and is 9-11), plus one win in the BET won’t be enough?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Newsdreams on January 06, 2022, 06:42:40 PM
Great stuff.

You still of the opinion that 9 conference wins (assuming MU plays them all and is 9-11), plus one win in the BET won’t be enough?
Lot rides on who win and loses are against but I would think that scenario would most likely be NIT
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on January 06, 2022, 07:44:06 PM
Great stuff.

You still of the opinion that 9 conference wins (assuming MU plays them all and is 9-11), plus one win in the BET won’t be enough?

Here would be my guesses assuming we play 19 or 20 games:

7 wins: NIT bubble
8-9 wins: NIT
10 wins: NCAA bubble (probably out)
11 wins: NCAA bubble (probably in)
12+ wins: NCAA, playing for seeding

Also, Championship Week doesn't really matter. I did an exhaustive deep dive into the bubble last year and found that the idea of teams playing their way in during Championship Week is just a myth, and the only way you likely fall out of the field is the combination of a bad loss and bid thieves.

https://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2021/03/championship-week-bubble-does-it-matter.html?m=1
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 07, 2022, 09:26:21 PM
Sick of hearing about Adam Kunkel's shot to beat Marquette. Well, he is putting on a show and then some at Butler. Nailing three's and some sick drive to the hoop.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CBBonFOX/status/1479654933494476804
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Its DJOver on January 07, 2022, 09:34:17 PM
Anyone else tired of Lavall not knowing when to call it? 5 possession game with less than 90 seconds to go and he’s still fouling. Someone’s going to get hurt with all of these (unnecessarily hard) intentional fouls.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on January 07, 2022, 09:59:52 PM
Anyone else tired of Lavall not knowing when to call it? 5 possession game with less than 90 seconds to go and he’s still fouling. Someone’s going to get hurt with all of these (unnecessarily hard) intentional fouls.

Lavall is my least favorite coach in the Big East. Used to be Willard, but he's earned some grudging respect.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: LAZER on January 07, 2022, 10:13:33 PM
Lavall is my least favorite coach in the Big East. Used to be Willard, but he's earned some grudging respect.
Probably won’t have to worry about him for much longer.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 08, 2022, 11:50:08 AM
The refs in Providence/SJU are pretty damn awful.

Favors SJUs kamikaze style a bit more
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on January 08, 2022, 11:52:38 AM
The refs in Providence/SJU are pretty damn awful.

Favors SJUs kamikaze style a bit more

You need to change your handle to refpolice
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 08, 2022, 11:53:18 AM
The refs in Providence/SJU are pretty damn awful.

Favors SJUs kamikaze style a bit more

SJU playing with a bit more swagger at the moment
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 08, 2022, 11:56:49 AM
SJU playing with a bit more swagger at the moment

Oh they definitely are. Posh is such a menace. And a really good finisher at 6 foot.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 08, 2022, 11:57:14 AM
You need to change your handle to refpolice

How about “manwith2eyes”
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 08, 2022, 12:03:40 PM
Couple of good Big East games so far.  SJU up 3 at half over PU and UConn up 4 over Willard-Gonzalez-Blaney at half
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on January 08, 2022, 12:06:42 PM
How about “manwith2eyes”

College refs stink and have stunk for a long time - find a new slant
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 08, 2022, 12:13:11 PM
College refs stink and have stunk for a long time - find a new slant

It’s called an observation.

If you’re too dumb to know what that is, consider it a personal problem.

How’s that for a slant
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on January 08, 2022, 12:19:53 PM
It’s called an observation.

If you’re too dumb to know what that is, consider it a personal problem.

How’s that for a slant

If the refs are bad in most games, is it really an observation ?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 08, 2022, 12:20:42 PM
If the refs are bad in most games, is it really an observation ?

I’m watching Purdue/Penn State and UConn/Hall. Just fine.

They have been objectively bad in the Providence game and the announcers have noted it 7 times.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on January 08, 2022, 12:23:13 PM
I’m watching Purdue/Penn State and UConn/Hall. Just fine.

They have been objectively bad in the Providence game and the announcers have noted it 7 times.

Convenient. Maybe the actually astute observation would be it’s difficult to officiate the Johnnies as their pace and physicality make it difficult to call a smooth game.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 08, 2022, 12:25:33 PM
Convenient. Maybe the actually astute observation would be it’s difficult to officiate the Johnnies as their pace and physicality make it difficult to call a smooth game.

You’re making the assumption that it’s just the foul calls that are making it a disaster.

So maybe the astute thing would be actually watch the game or shut up.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on January 08, 2022, 12:28:15 PM
You’re making the assumption that it’s just the foul calls that are making it a disaster.

So maybe the astute thing would be actually watch the game or shut up.

You were complaining about the refs in a similar game environment last night #lame
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 08, 2022, 12:31:44 PM
You were complaining about the refs in a similar game environment last night #lame

Umm no I wasn’t.

I called out foul disparity last night. One where it was obvious. Where our coach found it obvious and one where Gtown fans found it obvious.

I’m pointing out that this game across the board has been bad. Not 1 team getting screwed in fouls.

For some reason that mentally broke you. And instead of watching the game you made 10 stupid assumptions. On par with your Texas is better than Gonzaga assumption. Hint….watch the games.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 08, 2022, 12:37:03 PM
SHU on a nice run after getting down 9 to Uconn

This game should a wild finish.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on January 08, 2022, 12:57:45 PM
Umm no I wasn’t.

I called out foul disparity last night. One where it was obvious. Where our coach found it obvious and one where Gtown fans found it obvious.

I’m pointing out that this game across the board has been bad. Not 1 team getting screwed in fouls.

For some reason that mentally broke you. And instead of watching the game you made 10 stupid assumptions. On par with your Texas is better than Gonzaga assumption. Hint….watch the games.

Foul disparity does not have direct correlation with game outcomes. Example A last night. We fouled them more because we were aggressive turning them over and scoring easy buckets in transition. Aka we foul more and they foul less.

Hint - keep an eye on Texas. They’re playing very good basketball now. Marcus Carr has come on the last couple games.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 08, 2022, 12:59:41 PM
Foul disparity does not have direct correlation with game outcomes. Example A last night. We fouled them more because we were aggressive turning them over and scoring easy buckets in transition. Aka we foul more and they foul less.

Hint - keep an eye on Texas. They’re playing very good basketball now. Marcus Carr has come on the last couple games.

The issue with the fouls last night was first half. Second half we got calls and Gtown got calls when they didn’t travel first.

Marcus Carr is not the guy you want leading. So don’t bank on that.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 08, 2022, 01:00:26 PM
Providence has completely stopped shooting bricks and strictly is going inside.

SJU can’t stop it
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 08, 2022, 01:16:20 PM
Strategy discussion based upon the way the UConn-Hall game ended regulation:

Hurley calls time-out with the ball at midcourt, about 30 seconds to go in a tie game, 22 on the shot clock.

After the inbounds pass, his PG Cole just dribbles the ball near midcourt for 13-14 seconds until there is only 8-9 secs left on the shot clock. You're then in a rush-rush situation and Cole ends up throwing a wild scud that hits the backboard and results in a shot-clock violation. You've left Hall about 8 seconds to score the winner, and Aiken, a very good shooter, gets a wide-open look from 20. Very lucky for UConn, it didn't go in.

Teams do this all the time, not just at the end of games but at the half (or the quarter if women's college, NBA or high school).

Why? What is the advantage in taking a difficult, usually very-low-percentage attempt as the shot-clock is about to expire only to leave your opponent plenty of time to score? Why wouldn't you initiate your offense a lot earlier and try to set up a good look whenever it comes, knowing full well that your opponent is gonna have plenty of time regardless of when you shoot (assuming you score or they get the defensive board)?

It just makes no sense to me to do what UConn did at the end of regulation. Easily could have cost them the game.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on January 08, 2022, 01:18:59 PM
The issue with the fouls last night was first half. Second half we got calls and Gtown got calls when they didn’t travel first.

Marcus Carr is not the guy you want leading. So don’t bank on that.

College refs are inconsistent ? Color me shocked.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 08, 2022, 01:19:17 PM
Same old St. John’s
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 08, 2022, 01:21:24 PM
College refs are inconsistent ? Color me shocked.

Again, for now the 7th time. This Providence game that has you in a full meltdown wasnt inconsistent. It was outright bad.

For the last time. Watch the game or stop looking like a dumbass
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 08, 2022, 01:22:06 PM
SHU on a nice run after getting down 9 to Uconn

This game should a wild finish.

Definitely a good finish

1 pt game 40 seconds left in OT
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 08, 2022, 01:25:36 PM
DePaul all over Villanova early, 7-2 at the under-16.

Is Jay Wright on the hot seat in Philly?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 08, 2022, 01:26:48 PM
Brutal by UConn.

Living and dying by the pointless waste time strategy and it’s leading to getting no shots off.

Hurley isn’t anti run offense
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 08, 2022, 01:27:14 PM
UConn should probably fire Danny Hurley after that possession. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on January 08, 2022, 01:29:40 PM
UConn should probably fire Danny Hurley after that possession.

Poor refereeing.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 08, 2022, 01:32:08 PM
Strategy discussion based upon the way the UConn-Hall game ended regulation:

Hurley calls time-out with the ball at midcourt, about 30 seconds to go in a tie game, 22 on the shot clock.

After the inbounds pass, his PG Cole just dribbles the ball near midcourt for 13-14 seconds until there is only 8-9 secs left on the shot clock. You're then in a rush-rush situation and Cole ends up throwing a wild scud that hits the backboard and results in a shot-clock violation. You've left Hall about 8 seconds to score the winner, and Aiken, a very good shooter, gets a wide-open look from 20. Very lucky for UConn, it didn't go in.

Teams do this all the time, not just at the end of games but at the half (or the quarter if women's college, NBA or high school).

Why? What is the advantage in taking a difficult, usually very-low-percentage attempt as the shot-clock is about to expire only to leave your opponent plenty of time to score? Why wouldn't you initiate your offense a lot earlier and try to set up a good look whenever it comes, knowing full well that your opponent is gonna have plenty of time regardless of when you shoot (assuming you score or they get the defensive board)?

It just makes no sense to me to do what UConn did at the end of regulation. Easily could have cost them the game.

The strategy is that time is your opponent in this case. There wasn't enough time for a two for one. Thus, you burn the seconds to leave your opponent less time to run a half court set (if you miss or make). With 8 seconds left let's say, 3-4 of that would just be getting the ball past half court leaving 3-5 to run a rushed play without a time out.

Now, why Hurley didn't have a better play there out of a time out I don't know? The play there should be a drive to the hoop trying to get fouled in my mind versus helter skelter.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 08, 2022, 01:38:22 PM
The strategy is that time is your opponent in this case. There wasn't enough time for a two for one. Thus, you burn the seconds to leave your opponent less time to run a half court set (if you miss or make). With 8 seconds left let's say, 3-4 of that would just be getting the ball past half court leaving 3-5 to run a rushed play without a time out.

Now, why Hurley didn't have a better play there out of a time out I don't know? The play there should be a drive to the hoop trying to get fouled in my mind versus helter skelter.

Thanks for the explainer, but me no likey.

I could see if you'd only be leaving your opponent 1-2 seconds, or obviously if you get to take the final shot. But leaving your opponent 8-9 seconds, it makes little sense to me to create a stressful shot-clock situation for yourself. Any good college team would be able to get a really good shot in that amount of time, especially with you having to scramble back on defense, and Hall did indeed get a great look.

And you're right, that was a dreadful play by Hurley. Really poor crud by UConn at the end of OT, too.

Hurley seems to be an OK coach, though maybe a little overrated because his first 3 years at UConn were about as successful as Wojo's first 3 years at Marquette. Another "we'll see" situation IMHO.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 08, 2022, 01:42:02 PM
Thanks for the explainer, but me no likey.

I could see if you'd only be leaving your opponent 1-2 seconds, or obviously if you get to take the final shot. But leaving your opponent 8-9 seconds, it makes little sense to me to create a stressful shot-clock situation for yourself. Any good college team would be able to get a really good shot in that amount of time, especially with you having to scramble back on defense, and Hall did indeed get a great look.

And you're right, that was a dreadful play by Hurley. Really poor crud by UConn at the end of OT, too.

Hurley seems to be an OK coach, though maybe a little overrated because his first 3 years at UConn were about as successful as Wojo's first 3 years at Marquette. Another "we'll see" situation IMHO.

Yeah I think the strategy was awful.

Teams with good athletes/guards can go end to end in 5 seconds let alone draw a foul before that when D is trying to get back.

Dumb to just burn clock just to do it when there’s still gonna be 7-8 seconds left.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 08, 2022, 01:45:12 PM
Yeah I think the strategy was awful.

Teams with good athletes/guards can go end to end in 5 seconds let alone draw a foul before that when D is trying to get back.

Dumb to just burn clock just to do it when there’s still gonna be 7-8 seconds left.

We see a lot of this in college hoops.  If you’re tied, I guess I can see holding but if you’re down 1 or 2, get a good shot up, even if early in the shot clock so you can extend the game if you miss
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 08, 2022, 02:18:26 PM
Thanks for the explainer, but me no likey.

I could see if you'd only be leaving your opponent 1-2 seconds, or obviously if you get to take the final shot. But leaving your opponent 8-9 seconds, it makes little sense to me to create a stressful shot-clock situation for yourself. Any good college team would be able to get a really good shot in that amount of time, especially with you having to scramble back on defense, and Hall did indeed get a great look.

And you're right, that was a dreadful play by Hurley. Really poor crud by UConn at the end of OT, too.

Hurley seems to be an OK coach, though maybe a little overrated because his first 3 years at UConn were about as successful as Wojo's first 3 years at Marquette. Another "we'll see" situation IMHO.

I agree. It seems like "playing not to lose" seldom works.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 08, 2022, 02:24:35 PM
DePaul only 2 TOs in first half. We’ll see if that continues.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 08, 2022, 02:29:37 PM
Never mind. Just had 2 in about 20 seconds and Stubblefield had to call time.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on January 08, 2022, 02:45:41 PM
Foul disparity does not have direct correlation with game outcomes. Example A last night. We fouled them more because we were aggressive turning them over and scoring easy buckets in transition. Aka we foul more and they foul less.

Hint - keep an eye on Texas. They’re playing very good basketball now. Marcus Carr has come on the last couple games.

Second hint - don’t keep an eye on Texas
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 08, 2022, 02:47:48 PM
Second hint - don’t keep an eye on Texas

Entertaining game in a chaotically ugly way

Whichever team settles down on their open shots/lay ups first wins that one.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on January 08, 2022, 02:56:27 PM
Entertaining game in a chaotically ugly way

Whichever team settles down on their open shots/lay ups first wins that one.

Somewhat of an aside but went over to the Texas message board to get the pulse of the team. They have a multiple page thread dedicated to trashing Shaka throughout this seasons results.

They wonder why they run off every coach they’ve has recently.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 08, 2022, 06:09:33 PM
Cooley & Company got back in the winning mode again today against The Johnnies.  Cooley celebrates his 300th win. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 08, 2022, 07:26:15 PM
Good win today for The Hall over U-Conn. Was impressed that U-Conn did as well as they did coming off the extended break.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Pakuni on January 11, 2022, 02:07:42 PM
Providence-Creighton called off tonight because of COVID issues with the Friars.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 12, 2022, 06:07:38 PM
Is Scruggs out tonight for X? X's offense so far is 90% guys going 1-on-1.

EDIT: Nvm, looks like Scruggs was sitting with foul trouble.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on January 12, 2022, 06:58:33 PM
Nova is very well coached as always but neither team looks unbeatable.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 12, 2022, 07:42:54 PM
Man, that last 3 was significant to some in Nova/Xavier. I didn’t have anything on it, but whoa boy if you did.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 12, 2022, 07:55:23 PM
Good job by the refs, after FS1 went off the air for Nova/X, they addressed and corrected the Nunge 3, it didn’t count.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 12, 2022, 08:45:30 PM
X fought hard to come back, but came up empty. Those loses always hurt.

U- Conn seems to be playing a significant amount of games in Gampel Pavillion this year. I think that is an advantage. Easy for the students to go to the game. They are up 5 at the half over The Johnnies.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on January 12, 2022, 09:26:38 PM
Nova is very well coached as always but neither team looks unbeatable.

Yep.  MU is quite capable of beating any team in the BEast.  It's painful we started 0-3, with every game right there for the taking, but we have ample time to respond with force and W's.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on January 12, 2022, 09:53:49 PM
Wow!!  Champagnie.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on January 12, 2022, 10:00:00 PM
Didn't look like a foul there on St. J.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 12, 2022, 11:41:18 PM
Didn't look like a foul there on St. J.

In the final 16 minutes of the game, fouls were 17 to 2 in favor of UConn.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on January 13, 2022, 06:48:13 AM
In the final 16 minutes of the game, fouls were 17 to 2 in favor of UConn.

How come we don't get any home cooking??
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 13, 2022, 06:49:29 AM
St. John’s have an incredible opportunity to host multiple NIT games
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on January 13, 2022, 09:11:56 AM
Anyone else feel like todays SH at DePaul game is a possible upset brewing?

Odd start time at 4 and seems like a trap game for SH via the look ahead to Saturday. Also, DePaul is hungry for a win and should be motivated.

Finally, BLUE BLUE!!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BrewCity83 on January 13, 2022, 09:16:46 AM
Anyone else feel like todays SH at DePaul game is a possible upset brewing?

Odd start time at 4 and seems like a trap game for SH via the look ahead to Saturday. Also, DePaul is hungry for a win and should be motivated.

Finally, BLUE BLUE!!

Only if DePaul PLAYS HARD for 40 minutes. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Equalizer on January 13, 2022, 09:27:28 AM
Anyone else feel like todays SH at DePaul game is a possible upset brewing?

Odd start time at 4 and seems like a trap game for SH via the look ahead to Saturday. Also, DePaul is hungry for a win and should be motivated.

Finally, BLUE BLUE!!

I don't know if a DePaul win helps us.  While it would be nice to see Seton Hall take the L, it might cause them to come in with a bit more focus and play with more urgency on Saturday--seems dangerous to face a team coming off an upset loss.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: We R Final Four on January 13, 2022, 09:31:55 AM
Only if DePaul PLAYS HARD for 40 minutes.
They will need to communicate with each other.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on January 13, 2022, 09:33:04 AM
Quadruple overtime would be nice.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 13, 2022, 10:02:14 AM
Only if DePaul PLAYS HARD for 40 minutes.
And maybe if Stubblefield does tell the opposing team what defense DePaul will be playing each possession
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on January 13, 2022, 10:07:08 AM
BLUE! lines matter.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 13, 2022, 10:31:59 AM
DePaul has an excellent chance if Stubblefield uses a red marker to write TOUGHNESS, especially if he underlines it and adds 3 or 4 exclamation points.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Shooter McGavin on January 13, 2022, 11:12:32 AM
Quadruple overtime would be nice.

My thoughts exactly Tower.   I hope that  the game and travel wears them out.  Squeak out a win against DePaul and then we blow them out by 20 and our NET is in the mid to low 30s.by Sunday morning.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 13, 2022, 01:29:10 PM
A look at the BEast standings reinforces what most of us felt going in:

Nova is the king, as usual ... Butler, Georgetown and DePaul are the dregs ... And everybody else is in the vast middle, scrapping for a top-5 finish and the NCAA bid that goes with it.

I guess one could view Providence as a cut above, but let's see in a few weeks. They're coming off the 100-point loss to us and a tough home win vs. StJ.

The biggest surprises IMHO have been UConn being not quite as good as expected ... and us being a little better than expected.

The next 3 weeks will determine whether Marquette is closer to the top, bottom or middle of the vast middle.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 13, 2022, 02:07:33 PM
Battle of the Bottom Feeders of The Big East tonight . Bulldogs at Hoyas. Should be a Dog Fight
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on January 13, 2022, 02:18:49 PM
DePaul has an excellent chance if Stubblefield uses a red marker to write TOUGHNESS, especially if he underlines it and adds 3 or 4 exclamation points.

The only marker color he has is blue Blue BLUE!!!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on January 13, 2022, 02:26:00 PM
I wish he had coached against Vander.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on January 13, 2022, 02:26:28 PM
A look at the BEast standings reinforces what most of us felt going in:

Nova is the king, as usual ... Butler, Georgetown and DePaul are the dregs ... And everybody else is in the vast middle, scrapping for a top-5 finish and the NCAA bid that goes with it.

I guess one could view Providence as a cut above, but let's see in a few weeks. They're coming off the 100-point loss to us and a tough home win vs. StJ.

The biggest surprises IMHO have been UConn being not quite as good as expected ... and us being a little better than expected.

The next 3 weeks will determine whether Marquette is closer to the top, bottom or middle of the vast middle.

So what's your guess on the next 7 games? I can see us beating Seton Hall on Saturday, don't want to talk about Nova on the road, then beat Xavier at least one of Providence , Nova (home) and UCONN. Like Nova, I don't want to talk about Seton Hall on the road. You may have exaggerated the MU/Providence score a bit, but anyway- they will be out for blood.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on January 13, 2022, 03:54:42 PM
Xavier's 2 losses are to Villanova. 
UConn had injury issues that have since improved.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 13, 2022, 04:49:09 PM
DePaul is up on Seton Hall 48-32 on FS1
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Oldgym on January 13, 2022, 04:50:17 PM
DePaul is up on Seton Hall 49-32 on FS1

Ummmm.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 13, 2022, 04:50:59 PM
Ummmm.

Plenty of time for DePaul to DePaul things
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 13, 2022, 04:56:34 PM
Plenty of time for DePaul to DePaul things

So you think that at the end of the game they'll say they BLUE it?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 13, 2022, 05:02:41 PM
So you think that at the end of the game they'll say they BLUE it?

(https://c.tenor.com/LZLDk7ploJwAAAAM/boo-disapprove.gif)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 13, 2022, 05:17:19 PM
(https://c.tenor.com/LZLDk7ploJwAAAAM/boo-disapprove.gif)

Missed opportunity to change that text to "Blue this man!"
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on January 13, 2022, 05:22:06 PM
DePaul up 17?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MUDPT on January 13, 2022, 05:28:48 PM
 Not sure it’s been updated here, but the MU website now lists the St. John’s game as postponed.

And the Nova home game is now a 9 PM tip…
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 13, 2022, 05:39:04 PM
Wintrust looks like it is at about 25% capcity.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Elonsmusk on January 13, 2022, 05:47:20 PM
Apparently Stubbefield yelling at his players did not result in them quitting.  They seem to be playing hard despite their coach not being nice.  Blue must be working well tonight.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 13, 2022, 05:49:52 PM
Apparently Stubbefield yelling at his players did not result in them quitting.  They seem to be playing hard despite their coach not being nice.  Blue must be working well tonight.

Blue light special
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on January 13, 2022, 05:50:27 PM
Big crowd probably has amped the home team up!!

Forever a sleeping giant
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Oldgym on January 13, 2022, 06:09:47 PM
Plenty of time for DePaul to DePaul things

Lead down to 7. They could still DePaul it.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: goldeneagle91114 on January 13, 2022, 06:16:38 PM
So is Seton Hall sliding down hill, or are they going to come out and pound us as retribution?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 13, 2022, 06:17:35 PM
I see DePaul is running Wojo's inbound play
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 13, 2022, 06:25:24 PM
DePaul might be the dumbest team in the land
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Oldgym on January 13, 2022, 06:27:36 PM
They did everything they could to give it away, but Paul beats Hall by four.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: pbiflyer on January 13, 2022, 06:39:16 PM
Maybe they ran a special blue blue blue.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 13, 2022, 06:44:04 PM
Congratulations to Coach Stubblefield.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Miss Katie’s on January 13, 2022, 06:45:29 PM
Maybe they ran a special blue blue blue.

Blue cubed.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 13, 2022, 07:44:26 PM
DePaul might be the dumbest team in the land
Up 4 and attempting to block the 3-point shooter as time expires, begging for a potential 4-point play. So dumb.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on January 13, 2022, 07:45:34 PM
Gtown and Butler are pathetically bad this year.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 13, 2022, 07:47:38 PM
DePaul might be the dumbest team in the land

Maybe that’s why their coach only shouts one-syllable words.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PointWarrior on January 13, 2022, 08:17:21 PM

That was a very Millenial-esque thread not being yelled at…

Apparently Stubbefield yelling at his players did not result in them quitting.  They seem to be playing hard despite their coach not being nice.  Blue must be working well tonight.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on January 13, 2022, 08:32:01 PM
Gtown and Butler are pathetically bad this year.

Ewing won't be back.  Wojo to G'Town?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 13, 2022, 08:39:04 PM
Ewing won't be back.  Wojo to G'Town?

Wojo to Utah?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on January 13, 2022, 08:40:26 PM
Wojo to Utah?

I could see that.  Who gets the Georgetown gig?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 13, 2022, 08:42:05 PM
Gastown?

I could see that.  Who gets the Georgetown gig?

I am talking NBA with Quin.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on January 13, 2022, 08:50:19 PM
I am talking NBA with Quin.

Oh...hadn't thought about that. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on January 13, 2022, 09:47:41 PM
I am talking NBA with Quin.

Actually not a crazy thought at all
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: zcg2013 on January 13, 2022, 09:56:24 PM
Seton Hall pushed to get back down 18 to keep that game close and still lose. Then have a game in 40ish hours after. Hoping Shaka pushes them hard and keeps them exhausted.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: We R Final Four on January 13, 2022, 10:21:34 PM
The Hall looked terrible today….let’s hope it continues.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 13, 2022, 10:23:34 PM
77 FTs in that game. No wonder it took 4ever.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MUDPT on January 14, 2022, 05:52:01 AM
Wojo to Utah?

Isn’t he already out there?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on January 14, 2022, 11:43:11 AM
Seton Halls game against Providence on Tuesday has been postponed
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillWarriors on January 14, 2022, 12:09:45 PM
DePaul might be the dumbest team in the land

Had the exact thought for about 10 different reasons down the stretch of that game. Bad strategy and bad decisions one after another. Repeatedly throwing the ball into perfect trap position time and time again against the press looked extremely familiar. They never once looked to inbound it to the second level. Making free throws and getting some calls saved them. Brutal loss for Hall with Freeman-Liberty out much of the game and no crowd, not that DePaul has much of a home court anyway. That was like playing a scrimmage in an empty gym though.

I'm sure we'll see a fired up team on Saturday.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 16, 2022, 11:20:53 AM
Butler blows.

And Georgetown is playing St. John’s on national TV later this afternoon.  That seems cruel
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: willie warrior on January 16, 2022, 01:35:17 PM
Butler blows.

And Georgetown is playing St. John’s on national TV later this afternoon.  That seems cruel
Yes it is cruel to the viewers
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 16, 2022, 03:45:39 PM
Early action in The Johnnie Georgetown game is competitive
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on January 16, 2022, 04:03:02 PM
SJU defense is squashing the Hoyas right now.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 16, 2022, 04:12:27 PM
SJU defense is squashing the Hoyas right now.
The Johnnies have a talent advantage in this game .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 16, 2022, 04:25:42 PM
Johnnies starting to pull away from Georgetown up 12.

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 16, 2022, 04:30:45 PM
Johnnies starting to pull away from Georgetown up 12.

Georgetown is terrible. 

Looked at KenPom page and they’re underdogs in every Big East game this year.  They’re 140th in KenPom behind Delaware and Morehead State and Colgate.  It won’t happen, but they could go winless in conference
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: fjm on January 16, 2022, 04:35:12 PM
  It won’t happen, but they could go winless in conference

🤞🏼Please not us
🤞🏼Please not us
🤞🏼Please not us
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 16, 2022, 04:39:20 PM
Johnnies up 43-32 half

I am surprised that in the easy transfer era that Ewing was not able to stock the team with some competitive players .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 16, 2022, 04:44:15 PM
I was in the "we probably won't win all the games we're supposed to" camp, but I would be surprised -- and more than a little disappointed -- if we don't go 6-0 against Georgetown, Butler and DePaul.

St. John's is tougher, but we might never have to play them at their place this season, and I like us beating 'em at home.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on January 16, 2022, 04:46:52 PM
Georgetown is terrible. 

Looked at KenPom page and they’re underdogs in every Big East game this year.  They’re 140th in KenPom behind Delaware and Morehead State and Colgate.  It won’t happen, but they could go winless in conference

They’ve had some covid issues - BUT…They’re horrible even at full strength. I can’t believe the administration will continue to put up with this not offend someone within the Thompson circle.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: source? on January 16, 2022, 04:47:23 PM
Johnnies up 43-32 half

I am surprised that in the easy transfer era that Ewing was not able to stock the team with some competitive players .

Ewing oversees a mass exodus of talent every other year or so. I have no faith that he is any more capable of using the new transfer rules any more effectively than the old rules or high school recruiting. Kids don't want to go there under him and those that do jump ship fast. He is in year 5 and will likely end it with an overall losing record and a sub .300 record in the Big East overall. For Georgetown's sake I hope he retires.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 16, 2022, 04:47:32 PM
I was in the "we probably won't win all the games we're supposed to" camp, but I would be surprised -- and more than a little disappointed -- if we don't go 6-0 against Georgetown, Butler and DePaul.

St. John's is tougher, but we might never have to play them at their place this season, and I like us beating 'em at home.

With the rebounding woes and past history, wouldnt be shocked if we lose at Depaul(though we should win).

the other 3 games with Butler and Gtown absolutely have to be won though.

And personally hope the SJU game doesnt even get rescheduled.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: source? on January 16, 2022, 04:52:05 PM
They’ve had some covid issues - BUT…They’re horrible even at full strength. I can’t believe the administration will continue to put up with this not offend someone within the Thompson circle.

One thing that's changed, JT2 passed recently (RIP). Chatter on the Georgetown boards shows some hope that now that the AD doesn't have to walk into JT2's office and clear any moves with him they might be able to move on from his "tree." The coaches since JT2 have been:

Esherick-JT2 top assistant coach
JT3-obviously his son
Ewing-JT2's best player
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 16, 2022, 05:00:48 PM
Ewing oversees a mass exodus of talent every other year or so. I have no faith that he is any more capable of using the new transfer rules any more effectively than the old rules or high school recruiting. Kids don't want to go there under him and those that do jump ship fast. He is in year 5 and will likely end it with an overall losing record and a sub .300 record in the Big East overall. For Georgetown's sake I hope he retires.

He’s not even 60. He’s just gonna have to be fired.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 16, 2022, 05:13:18 PM
Ewing oversees a mass exodus of talent every other year or so. I have no faith that he is any more capable of using the new transfer rules any more effectively than the old rules or high school recruiting. Kids don't want to go there under him and those that do jump ship fast. He is in year 5 and will likely end it with an overall losing record and a sub .300 record in the Big East overall. For Georgetown's sake I hope he retires.

Let's hope he sticks. Shaka is making inroads in the DMV.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mileskishnish72 on January 16, 2022, 05:20:15 PM
Georgetown is terrible. 

Looked at KenPom page and they’re underdogs in every Big East game this year.  They’re 140th in KenPom behind Delaware and Morehead State and Colgate.  It won’t happen, but they could go winless in conference

Another problem with Georgetown is attendance. It was a ghost town at the MU game, with more cheering for MU than for the home team. Yes, the students were on break. Yes, the virus has not been shut down, but hey are just not selling ducats with a team this poor. I'm sure if you look in the box, they will have reported all the season ticket holders (God love 'em) as being present, but to call the crowd (a misnomer in itself) sparse would be very kind. You have to wonder about the financial aspect of playing in a pro arena and how long they will be able to tolerate/afford such an arrangement. Tough times for one of the rocks of the old BE.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 16, 2022, 05:23:31 PM
Another problem with Georgetown is attendance. It was a ghost town at the MU game, with more cheering for MU than for the home team. Yes, the students were on break. Yes, the virus has not been shut down, but hey are just not selling ducats with a team this poor. I'm sure if you look in the box, they will have reported all the season ticket holders (God love 'em) as being present, but to call the crowd (a misnomer in itself) sparse would be very kind. You have to wonder about the financial aspect of playing in a pro arena and how long they will be able to tolerate/afford such an arrangement. Tough times for one of the rocks of the old BE.

I’m reading Dana O’Neill’s book on The Big East and Georgetown was like that before Big John there. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: source? on January 16, 2022, 05:36:01 PM
Another problem with Georgetown is attendance. It was a ghost town at the MU game, with more cheering for MU than for the home team. Yes, the students were on break. Yes, the virus has not been shut down, but hey are just not selling ducats with a team this poor. I'm sure if you look in the box, they will have reported all the season ticket holders (God love 'em) as being present, but to call the crowd (a misnomer in itself) sparse would be very kind. You have to wonder about the financial aspect of playing in a pro arena and how long they will be able to tolerate/afford such an arrangement. Tough times for one of the rocks of the old BE.

I'm not really sure what other choice they have as far as the arena goes. Their on-campus facility (McDonough Gymnasium) has a 2,200 capacity max and is 70 years old. Even with their poor attendance I'm sure they have more season ticket holders than that, at least most years. They have nowhere to build on-campus. When they built their practice facility in 2016 they had to repurpose a parking lot. Plus their neighborhood has no appetite for an on-campus arena.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on January 16, 2022, 05:40:50 PM
I think DFW Hoya said in another thread that attendance now averages about 5,600 vs. about 11,000 ten years ago. Ewing well may already have his exit plan in place for the end of the season and then he and Georgetown would avoid a mutually embarrassing divorce. If he does not go on his own, Georgetown is simply going to choose between displacing DePaul as perennial cellar dweller or firing Ewing.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 16, 2022, 05:41:35 PM
Johnnies are going to be a tough opponent for MU. Especially if the game is at Carnesecca  Arena
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 16, 2022, 05:43:01 PM
I'm not really sure what other choice they have as far as the arena goes. Their on-campus facility (McDonough Gymnasium) has a 2,200 capacity max and is 70 years old. Even with their poor attendance I'm sure they have more season ticket holders than that, at least most years. They have nowhere to build on-campus. When they built their practice facility in 2016 they had to repurpose a parking lot. Plus their neighborhood has no appetite for an on-campus arena.

We can give them the on-campus arena we're gonna build.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 16, 2022, 06:09:59 PM
I think DFW Hoya said in another thread that attendance now averages about 5,600 vs. about 11,000 ten years ago. Ewing well may already have his exit plan in place for the end of the season and then he and Georgetown would avoid a mutually embarrassing divorce. If he does not go on his own, Georgetown is simply going to choose between displacing DePaul as perennial cellar dweller or firing Ewing.
I would imagine Ewing could easily get another NBA assistant job.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 16, 2022, 06:37:28 PM
Local media starting to turn on Butler

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2022/01/16/butler-bulldogs-basketball-routed-villanova-big-east-laugher/9154362002/
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 16, 2022, 06:43:27 PM
Local media starting to turn on Butler

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2022/01/16/butler-bulldogs-basketball-routed-villanova-big-east-laugher/9154362002/

Sure, if stating facts about a horrible team is an example of "turning on" them.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on January 16, 2022, 06:55:13 PM
Johnnies are going to be a tough opponent for MU. Especially if the game is at Carnesecca  Arena

Agree, and that's why I am hoping the road game with them is not rescheduled. Thet are fluky and can beat Nova one week and then lose their next game with Georgetown. In other words, too much potential downside if they beat us as they may not end up with a very good record at the end of the season. I would rather see us play an OOC game in lieu of a rescheduled game in NY. Maybe VCU in Milwaukee? Actually, I would like a H&H with UVA so I could drive about one hour North and be at the game.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 16, 2022, 07:01:30 PM
Sure, if stating facts about a horrible team is an example of "turning on" them.
There were a few other articles behind a pay wall a bit more venomous . I just posted the accessible one.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 16, 2022, 07:06:09 PM
Agree, and that's why I am hoping the road game with them is not rescheduled. Thet are fluky and can beat Nova one week and then lose their next game with Georgetown. In other words, too much potential downside if they beat us as they may not end up with a very good record at the end of the season. I would rather see us play an OOC game in lieu of a rescheduled game in NY. Maybe VCU in Milwaukee? Actually, I would like a H&H with UVA so I could drive about one hour North and be at the game.

Just get Gonzaga and be done with it. We promise them a national game in an NBA arena. They get to wipe the floor with us. Barely hurts our numbers
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on January 16, 2022, 07:21:42 PM
We aren’t required to find a makeup game and at that point in the season, we most likely won’t fill it.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on January 16, 2022, 07:51:16 PM
Another problem with Georgetown is attendance. It was a ghost town at the MU game, with more cheering for MU than for the home team.

I think you are referring to this:
(http://www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/images/attendance_405.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 16, 2022, 08:51:46 PM
Sample thought process at The Georgetown Message Board

https://hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/32261/current-state-hoya-basketball-program
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mug644 on January 16, 2022, 09:12:41 PM
Sample thought process at The Georgetown Message Board

https://hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/32261/current-state-hoya-basketball-program

So similar to perceptions of MU fans, both recently (with Wojo) and when honoring their past (like Al).

I hope that the G'town admin realizes the value of serious investment, even if it requires change. The BEast needs Georgetown to be a solid team, consistently.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 16, 2022, 09:20:07 PM
And it looks like that is from 13 months ago.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mileskishnish72 on January 16, 2022, 09:36:25 PM
I’m reading Dana O’Neill’s book on The Big East and Georgetown was like that before Big John there.

Read it. She concluded that Ewing's signing with GT was the biggest contributor to the BE getting big.
Maybe it's time for Patrick to help the league again by exiting stage left. He was a great player, but does not seem able to coach particularly well or run a program.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 16, 2022, 11:29:05 PM
So similar to perceptions of MU fans, both recently (with Wojo) and when honoring their past (like Al).

I hope that the G'town admin realizes the value of serious investment, even if it requires change. The BEast needs Georgetown to be a solid team, consistently.

Why? They don’t carry any more cache than anyone else. This isn’t the 80’s, they’re just another team.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 17, 2022, 12:37:29 AM
Why? They don’t carry any more cache than anyone else. This isn’t the 80’s, they’re just another team.

Because like it or not national perception will always be better for the big east as a top conference if the historical powers do well. I'd wager Us and GTown doing better would be much better for BE Publicity than Creighton and Butler with the same success
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on January 17, 2022, 08:18:43 AM
Because like it or not national perception will always be better for the big east as a top conference if the historical powers do well. I'd wager Us and GTown doing better would be much better for BE Publicity than Creighton and Butler with the same success

Agree about the historical powers but let's go a step further. The Big 12 continues to be the conference that everyone looks to as an example of top to bottom strength. Every conference seems to have a DePaul but when you have too many DePauls, it really hurts the conference. Case in point (mid majors): the A10 has SBU, VCU, Davidson, and St. Louis but look at the bottom teams of their conference. They weaken the A10 overall. The best thing for the BE is to have strong teams top to bottom.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 17, 2022, 08:26:18 AM
Agree about the historical powers but let's go a step further. The Big 12 continues to be the conference that everyone looks to as an example of top to bottom strength. Every conference seems to have a DePaul but when you have too many DePauls, it really hurts the conference. Case in point (mid majors): the A10 has SBU, VCU, Davidson, and St. Louis but look at the bottom teams of their conference. They weaken the A10 overall. The best thing for the BE is to have strong teams top to bottom.

Georgetown is 154th in KenPom.  In the top 6 leagues, only Nebraska, Georgia, Mizzou and Pitt are worse.  That’s embarrassing for a basketball school.  If that was Marquette, the fury here would be something.

The worse team in the Big XII is KState at 63.  That’s the kind of top-to-bottom the league wants to have.

The other problem is Depaul and Butler being sub-100 teams.  Georgetown being that bad exasperates the DePaul problem the league has had since it’s reinvention.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: cheebs09 on January 17, 2022, 08:56:51 AM
I have to think Ewing is going to be back in the NBA next year one way or another.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 18, 2022, 09:01:56 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 17,2022
New Old
3   3   Villanova   
15   15   UConn   
16     16    Xavier
29   30   Seton Hall   
33   33   Providence   
40   41   Marquette   
56   55   Creighton   
97   97   St. John's
99   98   DePaul   
141   146   Butler   
212   211   Georgetown   
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 18, 2022, 09:08:57 AM
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 17,2022
New Old
3   3   Villanova   
15   15   UConn   
16     16    Xavier
29   30   Seton Hall   
33   33   Providence   
40   41   Marquette   
56   55   Creighton   
97   97   St. John's
99   98   DePaul   
141   146   Butler   
212   211   Georgetown

Damn if only Illinois had gotten their heads out of their a$$es earlier in the game yesterday we'd have a bigger bump I'm sure.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on January 18, 2022, 06:50:43 PM
Steve Lavin just called Shaka his early favorite for BECoY during the UConn v Butler telecast (UConn up 14 before half)

A lot of nice praise by the announcers but methinks he should save that speak for another few weeks…
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 18, 2022, 06:52:05 PM
Steve Lavin just called Shaka his early favorite for BECoY during the UConn v Butler telecast (UConn up 14 before half)

A lot of nice praise by the announcers but methinks he should save that speak for another few weeks…

Well thats why its his early favorite and hes not really wrong.

If standings hold to form, Shaka would clearly get it based off preseason standings
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 18, 2022, 07:20:44 PM
UConn waxing Butler.  Butler is bad and their recruiting is poor heading into 2022.  Might be time for a reboot
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 18, 2022, 08:17:13 PM
U-Conn picking up momentum with a couple of wins in a row. They next play Butler at Butler on Thursday.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on January 18, 2022, 10:50:15 PM
UConn waxing Butler.  Butler is bad and their recruiting is poor heading into 2022.  Might be time for a reboot

I watched some of this game.  Steve Lavin said that he thought Shaka was the leading candidate for coach of the year and that MU was the most intriguing team in the BE because of their upside.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 18, 2022, 11:09:36 PM
U-Conn picking up momentum with a couple of wins in a row. They next play Butler at Butler on Thursday.

2 straight games against Butler? That's one way to find your groove.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on January 19, 2022, 09:50:41 AM
UConn waxing Butler.  Butler is bad and their recruiting is poor heading into 2022.  Might be time for a reboot

From the holyland site. Back and forth conversations from posters.

kayako wrote:
butlerguy03 wrote:
GoldenWarrior11 wrote:
How hot is the seat, if at all, for Jordan? The program is looking at three losing seasons in four years, after an incredible 10-year stretch by Stevens and Holtmann.


Getting warmer by the loss. At some point in 29 of the last 41 games, Butler has been down by double digits. Recruitment is almost nil for next year. I am a LJ supporter, and love how he represents the University, but the time may have come. The Butler message board has lit up with calls for LJ to be fired; even local sports podcasts are starting to talk about it, and they rarely talk college hoops outside of IU. I bet this week will be the final undoing for this staff.

In fact, the local ESPN affiliate is talking about it right now...which, again, outside of IU is not normal.


If Butler is serious about making a quick turnaround, I mean really serious, I'd call and see if Pitino's interested.
.

He's on the list for fans...along with Turgeon. Ron Nored is an AC with the Pacers. There is a decent list that Butler could afford right now. Things are getting warmer around Hinkle.
Butler University '03
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on January 19, 2022, 09:56:44 AM
Yep, seems like he gawne.

I know it would be a massive step down, but isn’t he a Milwaukee guy? Or was he just at UWM?

Seems like the type of guy that would be great on Shakas staff
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 19, 2022, 10:04:16 AM
Yep, seems like he gawne.

I know it would be a massive step down, but isn’t he a Milwaukee guy? Or was he just at UWM?

As far as I'm aware he just coached UWM for a year. He's from Michigan and went to school at Butler. He's been an AC at Butler, Iowa, and Michigan. So a midwest guy, but not a Milwaukee one.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhiteTrash on January 19, 2022, 11:51:28 AM
Yep, seems like he gawne.

I know it would be a massive step down, but isn’t he a Milwaukee guy? Or was he just at UWM?

Seems like the type of guy that would be great on Shakas staff
But wait..they can't fire Jordan. Who are they going to hire? Butler will feel terrible when Jordan wins a National Championship somewhere else. Wins don't matter.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on January 19, 2022, 01:04:55 PM
But wait..they can't fire Jordan. Who are they going to hire? Butler will feel terrible when Jordan wins a National Championship somewhere else. Wins don't matter.

Teve Wojochowski
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 19, 2022, 01:07:46 PM
But wait..they can't fire Jordan. Who are they going to hire? Butler will feel terrible when Jordan wins a National Championship somewhere else. Wins don't matter.

the big question is if Butler will go outside of the family for the next hire.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 19, 2022, 01:08:51 PM
the big question is if Butler will go outside of the family for the next hire.

Bring back Matta!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 19, 2022, 01:12:11 PM
I know Butler will probably try to make a run at DeVries or Medvet. But I hope they don't sleep on Ryan Pedon. I think he'd be interesting as a coach there.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on January 19, 2022, 01:16:38 PM
If they can afford him, he might be outside their family, but Chris Mack could be really interesting. Would certainly amp up the rivalry with Xavier.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 19, 2022, 01:17:22 PM
If Barry Collier is still their athletic director when Jordan is replaced, my guess is they will hire a guy with Butler connections.

And that's even if Jordan is replaced this year.  Jordan played for Collier so the personal connection runs deep.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 19, 2022, 01:19:36 PM
If Barry Collier is still their athletic director when Jordan is replaced, my guess is they will hire a guy with Butler connections.

And that's even if Jordan is replaced this year.  Jordan played for Collier so the personal connection runs deep.

That would be shortsighted on Collier’s part.  Basketball is the sport that put Butler on the map.  I’m not dismissing what you’re saying and it would be a difficult decision but they’re getting lapped right now
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 19, 2022, 01:29:24 PM
If they can afford him, he might be outside their family, but Chris Mack could be really interesting. Would certainly amp up the rivalry with Xavier.
Mack would be interested in leaving Louisville for Butler?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 19, 2022, 01:30:15 PM
Mack would be interested in leaving Louisville for Butler?

Mack may not have a Louisville to go back to
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 19, 2022, 01:32:25 PM
Mack would be interested in leaving Louisville for Butler?

there are currently $4 million reasons Mack would stay at Louisville and $4.5 million more Butler would not make a run at home.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on January 19, 2022, 01:36:05 PM
there are currently $4 million reasons Mack would stay at Louisville and $4.5 million more Butler would not make a run at home.

Similar reasons to why people thought Marquette wouldn't make a run at Shaka. If Louisville is happy to be rid of him and Mack is happy to get a fresh start, I could see him making this type of move in the offseason. Still not convinced Butler would go away from someone schooled in The Butler Way, but things like this have a tendency to work themselves out when all the parties have a motivation to make it so.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 19, 2022, 01:39:49 PM
Similar reasons to why people thought Marquette wouldn't make a run at Shaka. If Louisville is happy to be rid of him and Mack is happy to get a fresh start, I could see him making this type of move in the offseason. Still not convinced Butler would go away from someone schooled in The Butler Way, but things like this have a tendency to work themselves out when all the parties have a motivation to make it so.

Part of why I still think they likely talk to Nored or Ryan Pedon first. Butler connections.

If I were them, I'd still probably try for Medved.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 19, 2022, 04:44:03 PM
Flying into Omaha . Staying in The Hilton across the street from the Creighton game . If I get in on time, I may try to watch the  second half of the game live.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 19, 2022, 06:41:43 PM
Creighton up 14 on the Johnnies at the under-4 in the first half
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 19, 2022, 07:22:48 PM
As far as I'm aware he just coached UWM for a year. He's from Michigan and went to school at Butler. He's been an AC at Butler, Iowa, and Michigan. So a midwest guy, but not a Milwaukee one.
His mother lives in Milwaukee.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 19, 2022, 07:27:16 PM
Creighton is walloping St. John’s.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 19, 2022, 08:03:12 PM
Creighton wins by 23.  St. John’s just can’t get out of their own way. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on January 19, 2022, 09:09:00 PM
That would be shortsighted on Collier’s part.  Basketball is the sport that put Butler on the map.  I’m not dismissing what you’re saying and it would be a difficult decision but they’re getting lapped right now
A little early to suggest the hot seat in Indianapolis.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: 1SE on January 19, 2022, 09:14:15 PM
Creighton wins by 23.  St. John’s just can’t get out of their own way.

There is a clear separation going on between the top and bottom of the league- feels great to be in the top half
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 19, 2022, 09:18:29 PM
Flying into Omaha . Staying in The Hilton across the street from the Creighton game . If I get in on time, I may try to watch the  second half of the game live.
Got to the Hotel last three minutes of the game. Another incredible crowd at Creighton. These games are a big social event in Omaha.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on January 19, 2022, 09:19:08 PM
DePaul up 7 on X.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on January 19, 2022, 09:24:55 PM
Marquette 57
Villanova 54
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 19, 2022, 09:25:37 PM
X down 10 to DePaul with 14 minutes left. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 19, 2022, 09:29:55 PM
X narrows the deficit to 3 with 12 minutes left.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 19, 2022, 10:04:30 PM
Heartbreak hotel for DePaul.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 19, 2022, 10:05:16 PM
Nice comeback for X. Glad they won. When we beat them it will be even sweeter.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on January 19, 2022, 10:05:37 PM
Heartbreak hotel for DePaul.

Nice camera angle to finish the game. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 19, 2022, 10:08:14 PM
Nice camera angle to finish the game.

That was some High school streaming bull
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 19, 2022, 10:09:37 PM
Second time this year we play somebody after they are in a dogfight with DePaul
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on January 19, 2022, 10:14:40 PM
Tremendous opportunity for MU on Sunday.  It's better that X won.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: CrowdOf5 on January 19, 2022, 10:24:53 PM
Got to the Hotel last three minutes of the game. Another incredible crowd at Creighton. These games are a big social event in Omaha.

Having grown up in Omaha I can tell you it’s a BIG sports town. They sell out everything and anything. HS wrestling, Olympic qualifiers, college World Series, college soccer etc. you name it, it’ll draw a big crowd.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 19, 2022, 10:28:31 PM
Having grown up in Omaha I can tell you it’s a BIG sports town. They sell out everything and anything. HS wrestling, Olympic qualifiers, college World Series, college soccer etc. you name it, it’ll draw a big crowd.

Good. I can't wait for Marquette to kick Creighton's ass in front of that crowd. We owe them a butt-whuppin'!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 20, 2022, 08:26:19 AM
Nice camera angle to finish the game.
It was the same angle as always, some guy had it's arms in the way. Not sure how that hasn't  happened before. Odd.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 20, 2022, 08:28:25 AM
It was the same angle as always, some guy had it's arms in the way. Not sure how that hasn't  happened before. Odd.

Before? There were no fans in the seats.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on January 20, 2022, 10:19:28 AM
It was the same angle as always, some guy had it's arms in the way. Not sure how that hasn't  happened before. Odd.

It happened during the MU game at Depaul two years ago. Not in any big moments, but it was noticable.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 20, 2022, 10:29:34 AM
It happened during the MU game at Depaul two years ago. Not in any big moments, but it was noticable.

All those damn Marquette fans  that filled the stadium kept getting in the way. DePaul fans at least have the awareness and class to leave the 8 sections near the camera at the Wintrust completely empty.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 20, 2022, 04:39:59 PM
a major loss for UConn, just not ON the court.

https://www.ctinsider.com/uconn/article/Former-UConn-coach-Kevin-Ollie-wins-arbitration-16791341.php

Their athletics budget situation is already a complete cluster, now add $11 million to the deficit.

https://www.theuconnblog.com/2021/1/21/22241498/uconn-huskies-athletics-posts-43-5-million-deficit-for-2020
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 20, 2022, 05:35:11 PM
How is UConn only a 7.5-point favorite at Butler?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: source? on January 20, 2022, 05:41:53 PM
How is UConn only a 7.5-point favorite at Butler?

Loss in arbitration really hurt their efficiency numbers.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 20, 2022, 05:49:39 PM
Loss in arbitration really hurt their efficiency numbers.

This is the gold I come here for
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Its DJOver on January 20, 2022, 06:13:26 PM
How is UConn only a 7.5-point favorite at Butler?

Because every game in the Beast has the potential to be a slug-fest.  I would have thought PC at home against GTown would have been more than 9.5, and while I'm not sure PC was ever worried, it was a 2 possession game with 6 minutes to go.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on January 20, 2022, 06:35:00 PM
Re: Georgetown, not a good sign to hit 13 threes in a game and still lose by eight.

Next four games:
Villanova
at UConn
at Butler
Seton Hall
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 20, 2022, 07:05:02 PM
Cooley & Company building a nice win loss record .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 20, 2022, 07:06:10 PM
Re: Georgetown, not a good sign to hit 13 threes in a game and still lose by eight.

Next four games:
Villanova
at UConn
at Butler
Seton Hall

Hang in there, Hoya. It just takes the right coach!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on January 20, 2022, 08:14:59 PM
Will the Butler job be open for 22-23?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 20, 2022, 08:25:37 PM
Will the Butler job be open for 22-23?

Yup
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: fjm on January 20, 2022, 08:34:15 PM
Yup

I would like to apply. I led my made up college to multiple tournament victories and final 4’s in NCAA college basketball 2009 for play station.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on January 20, 2022, 08:35:15 PM
I would like to apply. I led my made up college to multiple tournament victories and final 4’s in NCAA college basketball 2009 for play station.

Who are the actual candidates?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 20, 2022, 08:38:06 PM
Who are the actual candidates?

Any butler alum who has a sub .500 career based on their last hire. I never understood hiring Jordan
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on January 20, 2022, 08:40:54 PM
Any butler alum who has a sub .500 career based on their last hire. I never understood hiring Jordan

You mean hiring a guy with only one years head coaching experience where his team stunk but they made a miraculous run in the conference tournament doesn’t make sense ?!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 20, 2022, 08:41:33 PM
I would like to apply. I led my made up college to multiple tournament victories and final 4’s in NCAA college basketball 2009 for play station.

Did you ever dunk at The Helfaer?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 20, 2022, 08:44:52 PM
You mean hiring a guy with only one years head coaching experience where his team stunk but they made a miraculous run in the conference tournament doesn’t make sense ?!

I was shocked too
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on January 20, 2022, 08:46:34 PM
I was shocked too

I don’t understand the obsession with the “keep it in the family” process of Georgetown and Butler.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Skatastrophy on January 20, 2022, 08:48:57 PM
I don’t understand the obsession with the “keep it in the family” process of Georgetown and Butler.

If DWade wants to coach after Shaka, who at the University has the balls to say no?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 20, 2022, 08:54:15 PM
If DWade wants to coach after Shaka, who at the University has the balls to say no?

Jordan's a bit different. I understand that argument with Ewing but not for Jordan it's not like Shelvin Mac or Gordon Hayward are their coach. (Do they have other legends pre big east?)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on January 20, 2022, 08:55:52 PM
Clean? Wojo?  Chris Mack?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 20, 2022, 08:57:23 PM
Who are the actual candidates?

Nored
ryan pedon

any coach du jour
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: warriorchick on January 20, 2022, 09:05:38 PM
How is UConn only a 7.5-point favorite at Butler?

Well, Butler is beating them by four at the half.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on January 20, 2022, 09:06:16 PM
UCONN looks awful.  I've decided I don't like the Hurley's. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on January 20, 2022, 09:07:47 PM
If DWade wants to coach after Shaka, who at the University has the balls to say no?

The program never gave Zaire anymore than a token look. Wardle didn’t even get an interview.

It’s not that hard. Self-restricting your candidate pool is foolish.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 20, 2022, 09:34:07 PM
The program never gave Zaire anymore than a token look. Wardle didn’t even get an interview.

It’s not that hard. Self-restricting your candidate pool is foolish.

I wouldn't assume Wardle didn't get an interview. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of "in the family" candidates at least got a courtesy interview.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 20, 2022, 09:35:16 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of "in the family" candidates at least got a courtesy interview.

Archie Bunker and Meathead got interviews?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on January 20, 2022, 09:50:46 PM
I wouldn't assume Wardle didn't get an interview. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of "in the family" candidates at least got a courtesy interview.

i understand your point, but a courtesy interview isn’t the same as exclusively hiring from within the family while ignoring potentially more qualified applicants.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 20, 2022, 10:20:29 PM
Well, Butler is beating them by four at the half.

You were saying?

UConn ended up covering easily. Butler is a joke.

Maybe I need to start betting, because I'd have won a lotta scratch on these two UConn-Butler games and MU-Nova.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 20, 2022, 11:32:08 PM
I don’t understand the obsession with the “keep it in the family” process of Georgetown and Butler.

Big John Thompson ran Gtown basketball. It was similar at Michigan with Bo Schembechler. Bo died and they went outside the family. Gtown will be able to do that too now that Big John has passed.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on January 21, 2022, 12:37:56 AM
I don’t understand the obsession with the “keep it in the family” process of Georgetown and Butler.

Well until Jordan, it worked great.  Collier to Matta to Lickliter to Stevens to Holtmann was  great and got them from the MCC to the Big East.  And Jordan was hired on the strength of his Michigan assistant work.  He was a hot name before he ever went to UWM, that year did nothing to make his candidacy any more or less appealing. He’s been a dud, but it wasn’t a broken formula solely because of that.

GTown is a different story.  The fact that Ewing spent 15 years on an NBA bench, after a HOF career, without getting a HC gig should have been a red flag as it was
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 21, 2022, 12:51:47 AM
Well until Jordan, it worked great.  Collier to Matta to Lickliter to Stevens to Holtmann was  great and got them from the MCC to the Big East.  And Jordan was hired on the strength of his Michigan assistant work.  He was a hot name before he ever went to UWM, that year did nothing to make his candidacy any more or less appealing. He’s been a dud, but it wasn’t a broken formula solely because of that.

GTown is a different story.  The fact that Ewing spent 15 years on an NBA bench, after a HOF career, without getting a HC gig should have been a red flag as it was

I wouldn’t say he’s been “a dud.” One second round tourney run, at one point they were #5 nationally and headed to the tourney in 2019-20. His 2021 te recruiting class had 2 4 star recruits per ESPN.

But like we did with Deane, BU needs to determine what the trajectory of the program is.

I’m curious to know Butler’s budget compared to the rest of the BE.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 21, 2022, 02:05:21 AM
Well until Jordan, it worked great.  Collier to Matta to Lickliter to Stevens to Holtmann was  great and got them from the MCC to the Big East.  And Jordan was hired on the strength of his Michigan assistant work.  He was a hot name before he ever went to UWM, that year did nothing to make his candidacy any more or less appealing. He’s been a dud, but it wasn’t a broken formula solely because of that.

GTown is a different story.  The fact that Ewing spent 15 years on an NBA bench, after a HOF career, without getting a HC gig should have been a red flag as it was

Grown has a much steeper hill to climb
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 21, 2022, 06:35:28 AM
i understand your point, but a courtesy interview isn’t the same as exclusively hiring from within the family while ignoring potentially more qualified applicants.

Totally agree,  was just picking the nit about Wardle not getting an interview
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 21, 2022, 07:38:23 AM
You mean hiring a guy with only one years head coaching experience where his team stunk but they made a miraculous run in the conference tournament doesn’t make sense ?!

I don’t understand the obsession with the “keep it in the family” process of Georgetown and Butler.


Jordan was in the mix when they hired Brandon Miller.  He was a longtime assistant at Iowa and under Belein at Michigan.  He played for their current AD.

People complain that Marquette doesn't have consistent success through coaching changes.  Well part of that is because we haven't built that type of program.  Keeping it in "the family" makes sense it until it doesn't.  Before Jordan, they have had continued success this way, so why change the model?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 21, 2022, 07:49:22 AM

Jordan was in the mix when they hired Brandon Miller.  He was a longtime assistant at Iowa and under Belein at Michigan.  He played for their current AD.

People complain that Marquette doesn't have consistent success through coaching changes.  Well part of that is because we haven't built that type of program.  Keeping it in "the family" makes sense it until it doesn't.  Before Jordan, they have had continued success this way, so why change the model?

When Ohio State hired Holtmann, they were also kicking the tires on Gregg McDermott and I thought McDermott leaving Creighton would be more impactful than Holtmann leaving Butler because of the “Butler Model”.  Anonymous Eagle wrote about it, too.

The hiring of Jordan made a lot of sense and he was seen as an up-and-coming coach by many.  It hasn’t worked out.  It’s possible he’s allowed to reset after this season with assistant changes and so forth before making a move.  He’ll have to be active in the portal if that’s the case.  They simply need a talent infusion

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on January 21, 2022, 07:50:58 AM

Jordan was in the mix when they hired Brandon Miller.  He was a longtime assistant at Iowa and under Belein at Michigan.  He played for their current AD.

People complain that Marquette doesn't have consistent success through coaching changes.  Well part of that is because we haven't built that type of program.  Keeping it in "the family" makes sense it until it doesn't.  Before Jordan, they have had continued success this way, so why change the model?

Yeah, I get that, but when "it doesn't"...the alumnus coach has the upper hand regarding the prospect of a divorce. The Mullin fiasco provided a poster boy for the case for being leery of hiring an alumnus coach. And with at least one, probably two more alumni BE coaches who need to go, it could get messy.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on January 21, 2022, 07:54:11 AM

Jordan was in the mix when they hired Brandon Miller.  He was a longtime assistant at Iowa and under Belein at Michigan.  He played for their current AD.

People complain that Marquette doesn't have consistent success through coaching changes.  Well part of that is because we haven't built that type of program.  Keeping it in "the family" makes sense it until it doesn't.  Before Jordan, they have had continued success this way, so why change the model?

Particularly for Butler - “In the family” was a reasonable decision making process when they were competing in the Horizon and A10.

At this point, it’s just small time thinking. If they want to elevate their program out of BE mediocrity, it would be foolish to only consider a very limited base of applicants.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 21, 2022, 07:55:33 AM
Yeah, I get that, but when "it doesn't"...the alumnus coach has the upper hand regarding the prospect of a divorce. The Mullin fiasco provided a poster boy for the case for being leery of hiring an alumnus coach. And with at least one, probably two more alumni BE coaches who need to go, it could get messy.


I think the Mullin issue was not that he was simply an alum, but an alum who is their greatest player of all time.  Similar to Ewing at Georgetown.

It would be like Marquette trying to fire Dwyane Wade as an unsuccessful coach.  But if the unsuccessful coach was Brian Wardle?  I doubt anyone would care that he's an alum.

I think the biggest issue is if Collier wants to get rid of a guy he obviously has a close relationship with.  That to me is the sticking point more than anything.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 21, 2022, 08:11:18 AM

I think the Mullin issue was not that he was simply an alum, but an alum who is their greatest player of all time.  Similar to Thompson at Georgetown.

It would be like Marquette trying to fire Dwyane Wade as an unsuccessful coach.  But if the unsuccessful coach was Brian Wardle?  I doubt anyone would care that he's an alum.

I think the biggest issue is if Collier wants to get rid of a guy he obviously has a close relationship with.  That to me is the sticking point more than anything.

Thompson played at Providence.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 21, 2022, 08:15:06 AM
Thompson played at Providence.


Sorry, brain fart.  I meant Ewing.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 21, 2022, 08:44:01 AM
Thompson played at Providence.

Or did Thompson play at princeton?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 21, 2022, 09:04:14 AM
Or did Thompson play at princeton?

Big John played at Providence.  JT III played at Princeton
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 21, 2022, 09:10:11 AM
Big John played at Providence.  JT III played at Princeton

I know I was just being a big ole goof
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillWarriors on January 21, 2022, 12:11:05 PM
Particularly for Butler - “In the family” was a reasonable decision making process when they were competing in the Horizon and A10.

At this point, it’s just small time thinking. If they want to elevate their program out of BE mediocrity, it would be foolish to only consider a very limited base of applicants.

What constitutes "in the family?" Brad Stevens did not attend Butler. He went to DePauw. His first connection with Butler, I believe, was as a volunteer assistant. He left a job in the corporate world to take that position. He was made a paid assistant the next year and the head coach several years later. Pretty amazing arc to where he is now.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on January 21, 2022, 12:20:13 PM
What constitutes "in the family?" Brad Stevens did not attend Butler. He went to DePauw. His first connection with Butler, I believe, was as a volunteer assistant. He left a job in the corporate world to take that position. He was made a paid assistant the next year and the head coach several years later. Pretty amazing arc to where he is now.

He was an assistant there for years before he was promoted to HC.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 21, 2022, 12:21:08 PM
What constitutes "in the family?" Brad Stevens did not attend Butler. He went to DePauw. His first connection with Butler, I believe, was as a volunteer assistant. He left a job in the corporate world to take that position. He was made a paid assistant the next year and the head coach several years later. Pretty amazing arc to where he is now.


Barry Collier became coach in 1989.  Every coached hired since that time served as an assistant under Collier or one of his successors. 

Holtmann isn't an alum either BTW.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on January 21, 2022, 12:37:02 PM
What constitutes "in the family?" Brad Stevens did not attend Butler. He went to DePauw. His first connection with Butler, I believe, was as a volunteer assistant. He left a job in the corporate world to take that position. He was made a paid assistant the next year and the head coach several years later. Pretty amazing arc to where he is now.

Yea, I think just an affiliation with the Butler program.  Before what Matta/Lickliter/Stevens created, Butler was a nice little mid major with distant history.  So bringing in alums from the program to coach made sense.  Stevens and Holtmann were attracted to the program otherwise.

I would be shocked if the next coach doesn't have a Butler connection.  Especially as long as Collier is AD.  And I don't necessarily think thats a bad thing.  Its not a rotten tree despite a few down years.

I think Ryan Pedon gets a LONG look.  I know Miami wanted him for their vacancy a few years back but he followed Holtmann to OSU thinking he could shoot higher and I think he'd be very interested
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 21, 2022, 12:47:55 PM
Big John played at Providence.  JT III played at Princeton

Big John was also a somewhat legend (depending on definition) as a player: All American, NBA, two time world champion. Which I thought Fluff was referring.

Lil' John was neither although I think GU screwed him as a coach (and themselves).
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillWarriors on January 21, 2022, 12:54:04 PM
Yea, I think just an affiliation with the Butler program.  Before what Matta/Lickliter/Stevens created, Butler was a nice little mid major with distant history.  So bringing in alums from the program to coach made sense.  Stevens and Holtmann were attracted to the program otherwise.

I would be shocked if the next coach doesn't have a Butler connection.  Especially as long as Collier is AD.  And I don't necessarily think thats a bad thing.  Its not a rotten tree despite a few down years.

I think Ryan Pedon gets a LONG look.  I know Miami wanted him for their vacancy a few years back but he followed Holtmann to OSU thinking he could shoot higher and I think he'd be very interested

Makes sense.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 21, 2022, 12:57:38 PM
Big John was also a somewhat legend (depending on definition) as a player: All American, NBA, two time world champion. Which I thought Fluff was referring.

Lil' John was neither although I think GU screwed him as a coach (and themselves).
JT III had a solid coaching record at Princeton. Moved up to Georgetown and did well. Georgetown fan base could not tolerate two bad years and he got the boot. Be careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on January 22, 2022, 10:24:05 AM
Looks like Aiken is out with a concussion today. Reports are saying he got it from Elliot’s elbow.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2022, 10:44:41 AM
The Hall viewing The Garden to play The Johnnies . Should be a good battle.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 22, 2022, 11:01:40 AM
It's been all down hill for Georgetown since Will Smith spurned them on The Fresh Prince of Bel Air.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 22, 2022, 11:15:29 AM
I have no idea what St. John’s does on offense.  What a sloppy team
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 22, 2022, 11:16:09 AM
I have no idea what Seton Hall does on offense.  They are so sloppy
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 22, 2022, 11:26:03 AM
I have no idea what Seton Hall does on offense.  They are so sloppy

Drive and flop
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 22, 2022, 11:36:08 AM
Looks like Aiken is out with a concussion today. Reports are saying he got it from Elliot’s elbow.

Willard said he might be out for Wednesday too. Might be gamesmanship, but something to monitor.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 22, 2022, 11:38:37 AM
St. John’s is the same team year-in, year-out.  It's incredible
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: lostpassword on January 22, 2022, 12:06:32 PM
Nova struggling with Georgetown in DC.  Down 3 at the half
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2022, 12:08:44 PM
Nova struggling with Georgetown in DC.  Down 3 at the half
Can’t have our win over Nova get debased
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Oldgym on January 22, 2022, 12:11:00 PM
Can’t have our win over Nova get debased

100%.  V needs to get it together.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on January 22, 2022, 12:18:49 PM
Can’t have our win over Nova get debased

What in the world is going on with Nova Herman?  Did we destroy their will?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: fjm on January 22, 2022, 12:20:57 PM
What in the world is going on with Nova Herman?  Did we destroy their will?

Our win demotivated jay wright
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on January 22, 2022, 12:22:31 PM
Our win demotivated jay wright

LOL.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: CrowdOf5 on January 22, 2022, 12:24:04 PM
A Nova loss gets us closer to the top spot.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Fred Garvin on January 22, 2022, 12:24:16 PM
St John's vs Seton Hall is so out of control, it's not even funny! Terrible basketball
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on January 22, 2022, 12:27:21 PM
MU's future is bright.  And we may have the highest March/April ceiling than any team in the BEast.  This is just my totally unbiased opinion right now.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: GB Warrior on January 22, 2022, 12:28:46 PM
Wojo to Nova
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 22, 2022, 12:30:32 PM
St John's vs Seton Hall is so out of control, it's not even funny! Terrible basketball
St. Johns is always so. I've hated their disorganized playground ball style.

After MU's first few games of sloppily flying around I was worried we would be another StJ, but fortunately Shaka has them playing a whole lot better.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 22, 2022, 12:33:18 PM
St. Johns is always so. I've hated their disorganized playground ball style.

After MU's first few games of sloppily flying around I was worried we would be another StJ, but fortunately Shaka has them playing a whole lot better.

Seton Hall dominating the offensive glass 🤔
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 22, 2022, 12:41:43 PM
Not Big East related but didn't think it warranted another thread:

Walker Kessler is the style of big that would be a double threat for Shaka. Body control, blocks, doesnt really foul, can get it in the post. I get those guys don't grow on trees, but there's been the "Shaka doesn't want 5*" discussion, but Kessler is definitely one he would
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: wadesworld on January 22, 2022, 12:48:52 PM
Why wouldn’t we want Georgetown? At this point we might as well just win the Big East. Nova losing helps that.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: CrowdOf5 on January 22, 2022, 12:50:11 PM
Why wouldn’t we want Georgetown? At this point we might as well just win the Big East. Nova losing helps that.

Agree, might as well win the whole damn thing.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Milkshakes on January 22, 2022, 12:53:33 PM
In the at Johns game Seton Hall got called for a backcourt - which it was.  Kevin Willard doing his usual fake outraged acting job. Walker from St Johns clearly says something to him. Willard actually shut up for once but shoots lasers from his eyes at the back of Walkers head. Hilarious. Wish I knew what walker said to him. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 22, 2022, 12:57:51 PM
St. John’s since the under-4 has been more brutal than usual
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 22, 2022, 01:02:14 PM
Seton Hall trying to give it away
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BCHoopster on January 22, 2022, 01:45:21 PM
MU's future is bright.  And we may have the highest March/April ceiling than any team in the BEast.  This is just my totally unbiased opinion right now.

I agree the future is bright, but you might have to have 3 new starters next year, which comes to a rebuilding year.  The 5 real freshman will have to take a big jump.  If Lewis leaves, will need to find a scoring big to come in. Not that easy.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2022, 01:45:56 PM
Good road win for The Hall
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 22, 2022, 01:49:01 PM
I agree the future is bright, but you might have to have 3 new starters next year, which comes to a rebuilding year.  The 5 real freshman will have to take a big jump.  If Lewis leaves, will need to find a scoring big to come in. Not that easy.

(https://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/87/66/1741308384-tumblr_logwtkwjy71qjr3m1o1_500.gif)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on January 22, 2022, 02:04:41 PM
St. John’s is the same team year-in, year-out.  It's incredible

It's been like this for 20 years. (The curse of dropping the Redmen nickname.)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on January 22, 2022, 02:40:21 PM
I agree the future is bright, but you might have to have 3 new starters next year, which comes to a rebuilding year.  The 5 real freshman will have to take a big jump.  If Lewis leaves, will need to find a scoring big to come in. Not that easy.

BC, I think MU picks up an impact transfer.  Additionally I expect JLew to be back although it's probably 65/35.   Most importantly, I fully believe our returning guys will come back significantly improved. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BCHoopster on January 22, 2022, 02:49:50 PM
Lewis comebacks then they would be very good.  They have enough guards for one to step up.  Elliott would be nice to play as well. Still would need one big as both Oso and Itejere seem very skinny.  Oso is very quick, if he can learn to shoot  a 15 footer would help.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on January 22, 2022, 03:01:56 PM
Lewis comebacks then they would be very good.  They have enough guards for one to step up.  Elliott would be nice to play as well. Still would need one big as both Oso and Itejere seem very skinny.  Oso is very quick, if he can learn to shoot  a 15 footer would help.

I fully expect OMP and Kolek to increase their efficiency BC.  We do need an additional big, no doubt about that.  That said don't sleep on our current true Freshmen.  Kam is potentially a prime time option #1 scorer.  Mitchell, DJop, and EE all have great potential imo as well.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on January 22, 2022, 03:03:53 PM
BC, I think MU picks up an impact transfer.  Additionally I expect JLew to be back although it's probably 65/35.   Most importantly, I fully believe our returning guys will come back significantly improved.

Agree on the returning guys. I’m expecting Joplin to make a really big jump next year especially. Our young core is already really solid so I don’t think it will be a rebuilding year. At least anymore than this year was.

I don’t think Lewis will be back. That’s mostly because I’m really optimistic about him in the next 2 months and think he will have an extremely strong finish to the year leaving no doubt.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2022, 03:06:37 PM
DePaul at Creighton should be a good battle. Coach Stubblefield played and coached at University of Nebraska Omaha.

Coach McDermott is out with Covid

There will be another packed house at the CHI Health Center

https://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2022/1/22/22896311/gameday-depaul-at-creighton
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2022, 04:58:17 PM
Creighton up 15-13 12 minutes left first half over DePaul
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 22, 2022, 05:21:25 PM
Lewis comebacks then they would be very good.  They have enough guards for one to step up.  Elliott would be nice to play as well. Still would need one big as both Oso and Itejere seem very skinny.  Oso is very quick, if he can learn to shoot  a 15 footer would help.
Having your 5 take 15-foot jump shots is incredibly inefficient. Any opposing coach would be thrilled for this to be part of your strategy.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BCHoopster on January 22, 2022, 05:41:05 PM
I like how Steven Crowl plays, how about Frank Kaminsky,  I am only asking for a center that can turn and shoot a 15 footer, from the free throw line!  Is that asking to much.  Can not remember the last time MU had a player do that. I know one, Maurice Lucas and Jae Crowder, any others.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2022, 06:09:12 PM
Creighton up against  DePaul 40-38 10:22 left
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 22, 2022, 06:12:18 PM
Creighton up against  DePaul tied 40-38 10:22 left


🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on January 22, 2022, 06:12:26 PM
Creighton up against  DePaul tied 40-38 10:22 left
Herman you ok?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2022, 06:40:59 PM
Herman you ok?
Correction Noted  8-)

Hard Fought win for The Blue Jays over The Blue Demons

 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 22, 2022, 07:13:41 PM
I like how Steven Crowl plays, how about Frank Kaminsky,  I am only asking for a center that can turn and shoot a 15 footer, from the free throw line!  Is that asking to much.  Can not remember the last time MU had a player do that. I know one, Maurice Lucas and Jae Crowder, any others.

Davante and Ellenson could both make 15-footers.

I will say that your undue worries about next season give the board a nice break from your undue worries about this season, so thanks!

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 23, 2022, 11:39:11 AM
What is with Nova and Providence both going with gold letters on white jerseys? It's so meh
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mileskishnish72 on January 23, 2022, 11:52:43 AM
I used to not like Providence. Their success has enabled me to pick that up a notch. Copley’s OK, but their arena and the fake noise generation is bush.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on January 23, 2022, 01:32:22 PM
What is with Nova and Providence both going with gold letters on white jerseys? It's so meh

Not quite sure about Villanova but PC wore black and gold in the early 1980's under Joe Mullaney.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 24, 2022, 01:41:39 PM
 Cooley & Company had a close game versus Butler . Not sure if Butler is improving or The Friars were lethargic .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 24, 2022, 01:45:41 PM
Cooley & Company had a close game versus Butler . Not sure if Butler is improving or The Friars were lethargic .

Butler is terrible
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on January 24, 2022, 01:52:06 PM
Butler is terrible

Agreed. Butler is less talented than Georgetown and DePaul, but slightly better than Georgetown because Jordan isn't quite as inept as Ewing.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 24, 2022, 09:55:21 PM
Cooley & Company had a close game versus Butler . Not sure if Butler is improving or The Friars were lethargic .

I'm sure. Butler is really, really bad. The Provi finally woke up midway through the second half.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 25, 2022, 08:00:08 AM
That was a much needed win for The Johnnies over The Hall last night.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on January 25, 2022, 08:27:44 AM
Agreed. Butler is less talented than Georgetown and DePaul, but slightly better than Georgetown because Jordan isn't quite as inept as Ewing.

Ewing can coach but it's a matter of program management - too much turnover and not enough consistency. It's what has bedeviled St. John's for most of the past two decades. When was the last four year player you can name that played for the Redmen?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: nyg on January 25, 2022, 08:39:32 AM
Ewing can coach but it's a matter of program management - too much turnover and not enough consistency. It's what has bedeviled St. John's for most of the past two decades. When was the last four year player you can name that played for the Redmen?

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33138817/why-georgetown-return-glory-failed-launch-patrick-ewing

Here you go Hoya......
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on January 25, 2022, 09:30:08 AM
Yes, I've seen that. Does anyone have a non-paywall copy of the article that dropped today at the Indianapolis Star about LaVall Jordan?

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Equalizer on January 25, 2022, 04:06:22 PM
Davante and Ellenson could both make 15-footers.

I will say that your undue worries about next season give the board a nice break from your undue worries about this season, so thanks!

Mike Kinsella was 7'0" and shot 80% on threes in 2007.

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 25, 2022, 04:09:51 PM
Theo John is 6'9" and shot 75% on threes last year!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Equalizer on January 25, 2022, 06:21:56 PM
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33138817/why-georgetown-return-glory-failed-launch-patrick-ewing

Here you go Hoya......

Reading this sounds like he really wasn't passionate about the job, took it out of some sense of obligation to the legacy of John Thompson.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 25, 2022, 06:39:05 PM
DePaul battling hard at Nova.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 25, 2022, 08:11:05 PM
DePaul battling hard at Nova.

Villanova 67 DePaul 43
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: warriorchick on January 25, 2022, 08:16:19 PM
MSU loses by 1 to Illinois. 

All good for us.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 25, 2022, 08:25:24 PM
Villanova 67 DePaul 43

The Germans battled hard in two world wars.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: fjm on January 25, 2022, 09:46:15 PM
¿Chris Mack to butler?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 26, 2022, 06:45:14 AM
The Germans battled hard in two world wars.
The original post reference was made at the WWII equivalent of early 1940
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 26, 2022, 06:53:36 AM
Is Chris Mack damaged goods?  May have to work himself back via the pitino route, eyna?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 26, 2022, 07:41:38 AM
I'm not sure he's damaged goods, but I think he is going to have to work his way back up to get to the BE level.  I think the idea that he would be a no-brainer for a place like Butler or Georgetown is inaccurate.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 26, 2022, 08:21:06 AM
I'm not sure he's damaged goods, but I think he is going to have to work his way back up to get to the BE level.  I think the idea that he would be a no-brainer for a place like Butler or Georgetown is inaccurate.

He has a lot of friends in the media that will help with the rehab
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on January 26, 2022, 08:37:11 AM
I'm not sure he's damaged goods, but I think he is going to have to work his way back up to get to the BE level.  I think the idea that he would be a no-brainer for a place like Butler or Georgetown is inaccurate.

It went south in a hurry, but less than 2 years ago he had them ranked and they would've been a protected seed in the 2020 tourney. And last year, honestly it was probably COVID that kept them out of the tournament. Two lopsided losses after lengthy pauses (37 points at Wisconsin after 18 days off, 45 points at UNC after 19 days off) killed their metrics and knocked them out of Dayton at worst.

This year has been awful, but I think it was a case of the coach not fitting the job, similar to Shaka at Texas. I think if he got a Butler or Georgetown job, you'd see a relatively quick turnaround as long as he was allowed to run the program his way.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on January 26, 2022, 08:39:31 AM
If Butler parts way ways with Jordan, Mack is a logical choice.   If he doesn't take a year off.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on January 26, 2022, 09:11:22 AM
If Butler parts way ways with Jordan, Mack is a logical choice.   If he doesn't take a year off.

Mack certainly would make sense, and he got his start with Thad Matta, albeit at Xavier, so he does have ties to the Butler coaching tree. John Groce, Jeff Boals, or maybe even Archie Miller would also make some sense. Could even call Micah Shrewsberry, who might be in the Big 10, but probably at the league's worst job.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 26, 2022, 09:15:56 AM
Mack certainly would make sense, and he got his start with Thad Matta, albeit at Xavier, so he does have ties to the Butler coaching tree. John Groce, Jeff Boals, or maybe even Archie Miller would also make some sense. Could even call Micah Shrewsberry, who might be in the Big 10, but probably at the league's worst job.

Nebraska might give PSU a run for that title
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on January 26, 2022, 10:22:19 AM
Nebraska might give PSU a run for that title

I don't disagree. I think Penn State is tough because it's a difficult place to get to and you have lots of in-state competition for players with 'Nova, Pitt, and the other Big Five schools all being close. Neither of them is an easy task, that's for sure.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: LAZER on January 26, 2022, 10:24:47 AM
If Butler parts way ways with Jordan, Mack is a logical choice.   If he doesn't take a year off.
I thought Mack looked like sht in his recent press conferences. A year off might be the right call.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 26, 2022, 10:33:30 AM
Mack certainly would make sense, and he got his start with Thad Matta, albeit at Xavier, so he does have ties to the Butler coaching tree. John Groce, Jeff Boals, or maybe even Archie Miller would also make some sense. Could even call Micah Shrewsberry, who might be in the Big 10, but probably at the league's worst job.

Not sure Butler is going to go for a retread. Still think they try to poach up-and-comers--ideally those that have Butler connections as long as their AD is there. There are good options that check both boxes like Nored or Ryan Pedon.

Otherwise I expect they'll go after Medved, Gates, DeVries or someone else that is the coach du jour.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on January 26, 2022, 10:52:15 AM
Not sure Butler is going to go for a retread. Still think they try to poach up-and-comers--ideally those that have Butler connections as long as their AD is there. There are good options that check both boxes like Nored or Ryan Pedon.

Otherwise I expect they'll go after Medved, Gates, DeVries or someone else that is the coach du jour.

I don't think it will be Medved, Gates, or DeVries. Butler hasn't gone outside the family since they hired alum Barry Collier in 1989. Nored or Pedon, maybe, but otherwise they'll gets someone from the Collier/Matta/Stevens coaching tree.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 26, 2022, 11:12:09 AM
Cooley & Company at X tonight . Should be a good battle .

Creighton needs to stay focused on the road against Butler. Butler looking to break their losing streak.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 26, 2022, 12:09:36 PM
Reeves is questionable tonight vs X, makes it very likely he will be ready to go Saturday for us.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 26, 2022, 05:50:25 PM
Dence over X early
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 26, 2022, 06:00:19 PM
The Ler is up on The Ton 20-18 early
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 26, 2022, 06:10:08 PM
Do we have a preference who wins between X and PC?

PC so we aren’t getting them after a loss?

X to knock PC down the standings?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 26, 2022, 06:34:02 PM
Do we have a preference who wins between X and PC?

PC so we aren’t getting them after a loss?

X to knock PC down the standings?

X to win
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 26, 2022, 06:35:13 PM
X battles back and is down 6 at half to the Dence

Butler is up 3 at Creighton at half.  BlueJays fans committing seppuku
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 26, 2022, 07:09:12 PM
Butler poleaxing Creighton in Omaha. 

The Dence up 4 over X with 7:07 left
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 26, 2022, 07:25:13 PM
Butler poleaxing Creighton in Omaha. 

The Dence up 4 over X with 7:07 left

Still embarrassing but not in Omaha
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 26, 2022, 07:29:00 PM
Still embarrassing but not in Omaha

Whoopsey daisy
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 26, 2022, 07:35:23 PM
Providence dagger
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on January 26, 2022, 07:37:16 PM
Providence is having a month to remember. Everything is going Ed Cooley's way.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 26, 2022, 07:37:28 PM
Providence dagger
Smooth shot.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillWarriors on January 26, 2022, 07:50:56 PM
If Butler parts way ways with Jordan, Mack is a logical choice.   If he doesn't take a year off.

That would be interesting. Butler and X have a pretty nasty rivalry, so that might take a minute for Butler fans to wrap their arms around.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 26, 2022, 09:41:00 PM
Cooley & Company racking up the wins.

Butler digs deep and gets the win
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 26, 2022, 10:28:12 PM
Providence is having a month to remember. Everything is going Ed Cooley's way.

Well, not quite everything ...

MARQUETTE 88, Providence 56
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 26, 2022, 11:27:01 PM
Seth Davis has two familiar names on his list of interesting candidates for Louisville job ...

Ed Cooley, head coach, Providence. Cooley wouldn’t be a home-run hire, but he could represent a stand-up double for a program that badly needs a hit. His charismatic, high-wattage personality would play well in this city, as would the blue-collar toughness his teams are known for. Cooley is also having one of his best seasons — the Friars are alone in first place in the Big East and ranked No. 17 in the AP poll. Cooley grew up in Providence and has spent his entire career in the Northeast, so in that sense this would be a bit of a reach. He is popular in his hometown, but he is also in his 11th season there. He might be up for a change in scenery, especially if the price is right.

Kevin Willard, head coach, Seton Hall. Willard’s name was a little hotter six weeks ago when the Pirates were a top 15 team, but they have encountered all kinds of injuries and disruptions, and they just lost by 21 points at home to St. John’s to fall to 3-5 in the Big East. If the team doesn’t turn around it will be hard to win this press conference, but Seton Hall is not an easy place to win, and Willard has done a good job there. He has also has ties to the area after working as an assistant for Pitino; his father, Ralph, worked as an assistant under Pitino at both Kentucky and Louisville and was head coach at Western Kentucky for four years.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on January 26, 2022, 11:36:06 PM
I feel like SH fans would be happy in Willard left, seems like they are cooling in him again?

Texas fans were probably happy Shaka left though… so maybe it wouldn’t be so bad for Louisville.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mug644 on January 26, 2022, 11:39:01 PM
Seriously? Cooley or Willard? Someone in some other thread also said that Louisville might go after Shaka.

The implication is that the BEast is a stepping stone. F**k that.

Louisville shouldn't be an appealing job to any coach that has already cut their teeth. No BEast should be willing to go there at this point.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 26, 2022, 11:50:01 PM
Louisville is a dumpster fire right now. Wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole. Aren't they still under and ongoing NCAA investigation
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on January 27, 2022, 12:37:59 AM
Louisville is a dumpster fire right now. Wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole. Aren't they still under and ongoing NCAA investigation

No one in the Big East besides Jay has it going like Mack did at X before he left. His tale should be a cautionary one to all the other coaches around the league…
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Shark on January 27, 2022, 12:41:37 AM
Cooley feels like the most likely Big East coach to leave for greener pastures after this year. Riding a very old team with some good luck. He also seems like a really nice dude who would kill it in an interview.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 27, 2022, 07:48:47 AM
Cooley just doesn't fit that culture IMO, and I doubt he'd want the headache that goes with the Louisville job. Of course, money talks, and if he gets $25M like Mack whether he succeeds or not...

I also doubt Louisville reaches into the BE again for a coach after the failure of Mack, and certainly not for a coach far less successful like Willard.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 27, 2022, 07:52:06 AM
I don't think Louisville would have any interest in Cooley. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 27, 2022, 07:57:14 AM
Louisville is a dumpster fire right now. Wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole. Aren't they still under and ongoing NCAA investigation

Agree and yes. In addition, they don’t have a permanent AD or university president in place. Sound familiar?

It will never happen, but CTC would be a good choice to rebuild that train wreck.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 27, 2022, 08:04:24 AM
Hmmm...  I think CTC's days an an in-demand coach are going to go away after his UGa gig. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 27, 2022, 08:05:33 AM
Hmmm...  I think CTC's days an an in-demand coach are going to go away after his UGa gig.

Ummm…that’s why I said it would never happen, Fluff.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 27, 2022, 08:07:34 AM
Right.  But I don't think he would be a good choice either.  His years as an energetic program builder like he was at MU were over 20 years ago.  And its clearly not really working at Georgia.

I just don't think he would be good there at all even if it did happen.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 27, 2022, 08:22:46 AM
Right.  But I don't think he would be a good choice either.  His years as an energetic program builder like he was at MU were over 20 years ago.  And its clearly not really working at Georgia.

I just don't think he would be good there at all even if it did happen.

I think COVID has impacted his recruiting ability. The guy needs a live audience. I can’t imagine him on Zoom. You may be right that his ship has sailed, but UGA was always a bad fit for him. I thought the DePaul job when they went DL2 was a good fit for his abilities.

That said, no successful coach is leaving for that dumpster fire with that uncertainty. UL will have to settle for damaged goods. Mack has a lot of friends and they will be wary. The next coach will be a short timer anyway, and Crean has been successful in these types of roles as we discussed. Who else that’s Crean-like but is a bit damaged would fit that profile? Buzz?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on January 27, 2022, 08:52:36 AM
I say this without knowing any of the personalities involved, but I would seriously look at Bellarmine's Scott Davenport as head coach and then throw a ton of money at Kenny Payne to be associate head coach.  Bellarmine plays a fun, up-tempo offense and Payne can recruit.  Both are alums. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 27, 2022, 09:07:00 AM
I say this without knowing any of the personalities involved, but I would seriously look at Bellarmine's Scott Davenport as head coach and then throw a ton of money at Kenny Payne to be associate head coach.  Bellarmine plays a fun, up-tempo offense and Payne can recruit.  Both are alums.

Davenport is an interesting one, with UL roots. I just was watching video of his offensive concepts (“A Team Who Doesn’t Dribble), but he is 64 and I’d think the UL faithful would be disappointed.

Payne seems to be on everyone’s list. DePaul made an unsuccessful run at him. Not a lot of success stories of NBA assistants/greats lately making the jump to the NCAA. I’d think with no AD or President, being a newcomer there would not end well for him.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on January 27, 2022, 09:48:10 AM
Davenport is an interesting one, with UL roots. I just was watching video of his offensive concepts (“A Team Who Doesn’t Dribble), but he is 64 and I’d think the UL faithful would be disappointed.

I know Ville has a bit of a black eye right now, but I think they would still riot if they got essentially a D2 coach in his mid 60s.

Honestly, only kind of joking, what about Sean Miller?

Otherwise maybe they throw a bag at Matt McMahon down the road at Murray St?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on January 27, 2022, 10:06:19 AM
I know Ville has a bit of a black eye right now, but I think they would still riot if they got essentially a D2 coach in his mid 60s.

Honestly, only kind of joking, what about Sean Miller?

Otherwise maybe they throw a bag at Matt McMahon down the road at Murray St?

I can see Miller making sense in a vacuum, though I wonder if it would matter that he was basically Mack's mentor and the two are close friends.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: jfp61 on January 27, 2022, 10:24:26 AM
Cooley feels like the most likely Big East coach to leave for greener pastures after this year. Riding a very old team with some good luck. He also seems like a really nice dude who would kill it in an interview.

Cooley turned down a Michigan interview. He is not leaving Providence.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 27, 2022, 10:37:06 AM
Cooley turned down a Michigan interview. He is not leaving Providence.

Agree. When you hear Ed Cooley talk about the Big East and Providence basketball, he sounds like a man that is living a dream right now and knows it.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on January 27, 2022, 10:47:27 AM
Cooley feels like the most likely Big East coach to leave for greener pastures after this year. Riding a very old team with some good luck. He also seems like a really nice dude who would kill it in an interview.

He's a Rhode Islander through and through. It's a good time to be at PC.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: drewm88 on January 27, 2022, 12:02:41 PM
Cooley or Willard to Maryland makes a lot more sense to me than Louisville.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on January 27, 2022, 12:10:46 PM
Cooley or Willard to Maryland makes a lot more sense to me than Louisville.

Is Willard really that big of a draw to other schools? I mean he’s been at Seton Hall 12 years, made 4 tournaments (would have been 5 if not for Covid), and won a single tournament game in those 12 years. That’s pretty wojoesque if you ask me. They’ve had some decent teams in recent years I guess, but I’m just not sure. 

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 27, 2022, 12:14:32 PM
Is Willard really that big of a draw to other schools? I mean he’s been at Seton Hall 12 years, made 4 tournaments (would have been 5 if not for Covid), and won a single tournament game in those 12 years. That’s pretty wojoesque if you ask me. They’ve had some decent teams in recent years I guess, but I’m just not sure.

Willard was given an exceptionally long leash because of where Hall was before he got there and to let the Whitehead class develop that he sold his soul for. He's really been rolling since that class was juniors (sophomores?)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on January 27, 2022, 12:17:54 PM
Is Willard really that big of a draw to other schools? I mean he’s been at Seton Hall 12 years, made 4 tournaments (would have been 5 if not for Covid), and won a single tournament game in those 12 years. That’s pretty wojoesque if you ask me. They’ve had some decent teams in recent years I guess, but I’m just not sure.

Before that, no one had any consistent success there since PJ Carlesimo. It's a tough job and I think people acknowledge that. Honestly, I've come to have a grudging respect for Willard. He's recruited guys that play tough and generally compete every night. I can see why him and Cooley would be attractive candidates under the "if they did THAT with those resources, what would they do with ours?"
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 27, 2022, 12:18:45 PM
Before that, no one had any consistent success there since PJ Carlesimo. It's a tough job and I think people acknowledge that. Honestly, I've come to have a grudging respect for Willard. He's recruited guys that play tough and generally compete every night. I can see why him and Cooley would be attractive candidates under the "if they did THAT with those resources, what would they do with ours?"

Nah, eff Willard
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhiteTrash on January 27, 2022, 12:30:26 PM
Before that, no one had any consistent success there since PJ Carlesimo. It's a tough job and I think people acknowledge that. Honestly, I've come to have a grudging respect for Willard. He's recruited guys that play tough and generally compete every night. I can see why him and Cooley would be attractive candidates under the "if they did THAT with those resources, what would they do with ours?"
I agree with this. Look at Beilein as an example. Upper level BE coach who did well at an upper level B10 school. He wasn't Calhoun or Boeheim good and UofM is not a blue blood but neither is Maryland or UofL.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rgoode57 on January 27, 2022, 12:48:33 PM
Yes, there is a big cloud hanging over Louisville and some coaches would shy away from the job because of that. But, I am from that part of the country and know it well. Keep in mind that Louisville is in Kentucky. They may have had a few good football teams but it is a basketball school. Make no mistake about that. And, they have exceptional facilities. They fill a 20,000 seat arena, and they have an extremely passionate fan base. And, they have really enthusiastic donors. They will attract a well proven coach despite their issues.  Don't worry about that. They can pay a ton (Mack was one of the highest paid coaches in the country), and once the cloud lifts (which it will), it is one of the best coaching jobs around. They may not be able to get their number 1 target, but they will get a very good coach. Not having a school President and AD is the real problem for them right now.  But, that will probably get worked out before the season is over. And, they guy they will hire is coaching at another program right now anyway and has a season to finish there.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 27, 2022, 01:09:15 PM
I'd think Haynes would be a more likely candidate for the Maryland job than Willard.

And again, I don't think Cooley is going anywhere. He is living his dream.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: drewm88 on January 27, 2022, 01:11:23 PM
Not saying either is going to Maryland, just that it's more likely than Louisville.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rgoode57 on January 27, 2022, 01:40:42 PM
Louisville will not hire another BE coach to replace Mack. And, I agree that Cooley would not take the job is
f they begged him. He is smarter than that and has his priorities in the right order judging from comments I have seen him make. U of L will hire someone that has been in a big-time program and knows what it is like to be at a program like theirs. Purely a guess on my part, but I believe the next Louisville coach is currently a head coach in the SEC or BIG.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PBRme on January 27, 2022, 01:44:43 PM
Bruce Pearl
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 27, 2022, 01:57:20 PM
Bruce Pearl

Is getting a fat extension and raise at Auburn
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Golden Avalanche on January 27, 2022, 02:39:22 PM
Nah, eff Willard

This is the only correct answer.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on January 27, 2022, 06:51:25 PM
I agree that Cooley would not take the job if they begged him. He is smarter than that and has his priorities in the right order judging from comments I have seen him make.

He knows he'd be nothing without the & Company.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on January 27, 2022, 08:18:55 PM
What about Rick Pitino?

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on January 27, 2022, 10:15:39 PM
Mark Turgeon is available.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 28, 2022, 02:04:22 PM
https://twitter.com/RobDauster/status/1487112259532955654?s=20&t=0pB3nym7bBobnzDvISdVIQ

Rob Dauster
@RobDauster
As @John_Fanta mentioned last night on AFTER DARK, Providence's luckbox season continues as they seem unlikely to play at Creighton, at Seton Hall or get UConn at home.


I wonder if it would be better to do the conference standings by wins then percentages instead of just percentages. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 29, 2022, 07:43:42 AM
X at Creighton should be a good game today.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: 1SE on January 29, 2022, 11:29:30 AM
Butler is really bad. Georgetown is atrocious.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 29, 2022, 11:57:30 AM
I'd think Haynes would be a more likely candidate for the Maryland job than Willard.

And again, I don't think Cooley is going anywhere. He is living his dream.

Cooley is a very good coach and he’s having an outstanding (and very lucky) season. I’m sure he’s happy. But I wouldn’t be shocked if coaching at Providence College falls a smidge short of living his dream.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 29, 2022, 12:06:54 PM
Cooley is a very good coach and he’s having an outstanding (and very lucky) season. I’m sure he’s happy. But I wouldn’t be shocked if coaching at Providence College falls a smidge short of living his dream.

Given that he turned down Michigan and loves the BEast, I dunno.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 29, 2022, 01:44:57 PM
Given that he turned down Michigan and loves the BEast, I dunno.

Do we know if he turned then down after getting an offer or before?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on January 29, 2022, 01:53:46 PM
Do we know if he turned then down after getting an offer or before?

https://247sports.com/college/michigan/Article/Michigan-basketball-Ed-Cooley-very-hard-to-turn-down-Michigan-132380569/
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on January 29, 2022, 02:06:59 PM
Creighton is thumping X 36-19.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 29, 2022, 02:22:32 PM
Butler on a two game winning streak 🤓
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillWarriors on January 29, 2022, 02:27:56 PM
Creighton is thumping X 36-19.

Unreal 19-0 run by X in the first 7 mins of second half. Amazing.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 29, 2022, 02:28:14 PM
Creighton is thumping X 36-19.

Creighton hasn't scored in the first 8 mins of second half
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Oldgym on January 29, 2022, 02:30:18 PM
First pts at the 12:30 mark - free throws.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Newsdreams on January 29, 2022, 02:32:16 PM
First pts at the 12:30 mark - free throws.
No matta
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Newsdreams on January 29, 2022, 02:36:49 PM
8 pt Xavier lead
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on January 29, 2022, 02:37:16 PM
Xavier on a 29-2 run.  Yikes. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Oldgym on January 29, 2022, 02:37:32 PM
This is nuts
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 29, 2022, 02:37:51 PM
29-2 for Xavier to start the half.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on January 29, 2022, 02:39:49 PM
29-2 for Xavier to start the half.

Wow....just wow!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on January 29, 2022, 02:40:01 PM
Creighton scoop is probably melting down.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 29, 2022, 02:48:05 PM
Xavier on a 29-2 run.  Yikes.

Steele threatened team of a Mack return during his halftime talk.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Oldgym on January 29, 2022, 02:52:54 PM
Creighton scoop is probably melting down.

Their comments about Freemantle look oddly familiar.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Newsdreams on January 29, 2022, 02:54:21 PM
Their comments about Freemantle look oddly familiar.
LOL
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 29, 2022, 03:00:41 PM
Creighton scoop is probably melting down.

In their defense, they should be.  It’s in Omaha
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: source? on January 29, 2022, 03:00:44 PM
I know everyone is focused on this huge X comeback right now, but Patrick Ewing was just asked why they stopped pressing Butler when it was working. His response was "We pressed and we got back into the game...I didn't think it was necessary to continue to press at that point." What?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 29, 2022, 03:02:43 PM
I know everyone is focused on this huge X comeback right now, but Patrick Ewing was just asked why they stopped pressing Butler when it was working. His response was "We pressed and we got back into the game...I didn't think it was necessary to continue to press at that point." What?

Dead man walking
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Newsdreams on January 29, 2022, 03:21:03 PM
Creighton scoop is probably melting down.
#FireGreg
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on January 29, 2022, 03:24:25 PM
I know everyone is focused on this huge X comeback right now, but Patrick Ewing was just asked why they stopped pressing Butler when it was working. His response was "We pressed and we got back into the game...I didn't think it was necessary to continue to press at that point." What?

WTF?? 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on January 29, 2022, 03:26:38 PM
Last 8 minutes of the Butler-Georgetown game:

Butler 3-11 (1-5 from three), 3 turnovers
Georgetown: 2-8 (0-5 from three), 3 turnovers
Total number of points: Butler 9, Georgetown 7.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 29, 2022, 03:27:02 PM
Last 8 minutes of the Butler-Georgetown game:

Butler 3-11 (1-5 from three), 3 turnovers
Georgetown: 2-8 (0-5 from three), 3 turnovers
Total number of points: Butler 9, Georgetown 6.

We call that the Bennett special
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 29, 2022, 03:30:18 PM
Tremendous rally by X . Stopped their losing streak on the road at Creighton , which is never easy.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 29, 2022, 03:46:32 PM
Tremendous rally by X . Stopped their losing streak on the road at Creighton , which is never easy.

Looked easy
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Newsdreams on January 29, 2022, 03:49:52 PM
Looked easy
Very
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 29, 2022, 05:03:29 PM
SJU down 15 to Nova. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 29, 2022, 05:38:42 PM
St. John’s is poorly coached
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on January 29, 2022, 06:08:17 PM
UConn broke in the first half at the Wintrust.

I’d like to see DePaul win this unless someone tells me that it’s better for Marquette otherwise
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on January 29, 2022, 06:18:33 PM
UConn broke in the first half at the Wintrust.

I’d like to see DePaul win this unless someone tells me that it’s better for Marquette otherwise

For the league, the top-7 winning and the bottom-4 losing is best to maximize bids. But for Marquette, Nova, UConn, and Providence taking losses is best to give us a shot at the league title and a top-3 NCAA seed.

It's kind of wild to seriously type that.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 29, 2022, 07:00:34 PM
UConn up 7 with 12:00 left at DePaul. 

St. John’s in danger of missing the NIT
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: warriorstrack on January 29, 2022, 07:10:36 PM
UConn no matta
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on January 29, 2022, 08:10:38 PM
U Conn got the job done at DePaul. 

DePaul still without Freeman Liberty .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 30, 2022, 12:41:41 AM
For the league, the top-7 winning and the bottom-4 losing is best to maximize bids. But for Marquette, Nova, UConn, and Providence taking losses is best to give us a shot at the league title and a top-3 NCAA seed.

It's kind of wild to seriously type that.

This was my feeling for UT vs UT. Seeding is a real thing
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 01, 2022, 06:24:26 PM
UCONN with 22pts at the half?  At home?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on February 01, 2022, 07:44:17 PM
Final - Creighton 59 - UCONN 55
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 01, 2022, 07:46:40 PM
UCONN with 22pts at the half?  At home?
The results of any particular Creighton game are an enigma wrapped in a riddle.

Big win for Creighton's tournament resume tonight.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on February 01, 2022, 08:15:16 PM
Plenty of seats at the Seton Hall-Georgetown game.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillWarriors on February 01, 2022, 08:21:45 PM
UCONN with 22pts at the half?  At home?

At one point, everyone but Whaley for UConn was a combined 1-19 shooting.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: nyg on February 01, 2022, 08:42:39 PM
Plenty of seats at the Seton Hall-Georgetown game.

8:30 tip off with no Metro from campus.

Plus students who want to drive/park 💰💰 and the lack of Kevlar vests. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 01, 2022, 08:56:09 PM
Cooley & Company in a battle against The Johnnies.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 01, 2022, 09:11:28 PM
Cooley & Company in a battle against The Johnnies.

Who should I root for Herman?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on February 01, 2022, 09:20:05 PM
at what point does g town move to a smaller venue? just laughable to play in front of a 80% empty us celluar areana. even big games on the weekend this year they get 65% full maybe. waste of money.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: warriorstrack on February 01, 2022, 09:30:13 PM
Willard seems to be able to keep it together when coaching against Ewing, fear factor???
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 01, 2022, 09:37:16 PM
Who should I root for Herman?
Root for Cooley & Company
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 01, 2022, 09:43:38 PM
Root for Cooley & Company

I've always kind of liked Cooley, but I will not root for & Company, so I guess I've got divided allegiances here.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on February 01, 2022, 10:36:50 PM
at what point does g town move to a smaller venue? just laughable to play in front of a 80% empty us celluar areana. even big games on the weekend this year they get 65% full maybe. waste of money.

Can't--no place to go. On-campus is obsolete (built 1951, never renovated), no available arenas bigger than 5K in the area outside of George Mason and Univ. of Maryland.

Announced attendance tonight: 3,462. If you saw it on TV, you know better.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 01, 2022, 10:42:58 PM
It's sad. Georgetown was supposed to help carry the reconstituted Big East. But they've sucked for a few years now and can't give tickets away.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 01, 2022, 10:55:38 PM
It's sad. Georgetown was supposed to help carry the reconstituted Big East. But they've sucked for a few years now and can't give tickets away.

The Gtown team that had just lost to FGCU was supposed to carry the conference? The one that had only won three regular season titles since 1997?  Just goes to show we don’t need them to be good for the conference to be elite. It’s not 1984 anymore.

But they’re elite in Mens Soccer, so there’s that.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on February 02, 2022, 12:33:11 AM
A scene from the second half:

(http://www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/images/shfans_400.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on February 02, 2022, 01:13:09 AM
The Gtown team that had just lost to FGCU was supposed to carry the conference? The one that had only won three regular season titles since 1997?  Just goes to show we don’t need them to be good for the conference to be elite. It’s not 1984 anymore.

But they’re elite in Mens Soccer, so there’s that.

Revisionist history my man.  They had made 4 straight tourneys up until that FGCU year, and 3 of those 4 years they were a 3 seed or better in the NCAA tourney.  They were a top 15-20 team annually for almost 5 years leading into the BE fracturing and restructuring.  They may not have been the class of the league but they were a really solid program at the time.  Unfortunately their unraveling coincided with the start of the NBE
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: 1SE on February 02, 2022, 02:39:48 AM
A scene from the second half:

(http://www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/images/shfans_400.jpg)

That's really sad. PE has to be dead man walking right? Who do they get next?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: 1SE on February 02, 2022, 02:48:57 AM
Can't--no place to go. On-campus is obsolete (built 1951, never renovated), no available arenas bigger than 5K in the area outside of George Mason and Univ. of Maryland.

Announced attendance tonight: 3,462. If you saw it on TV, you know better.

Looks like they are playing SJU there? Can't hurt. https://www.casualhoya.com/2022/1/30/22909934/home-court-georgetown-to-host-st-johns-at-mcdonough-with-students-only-ewing-big-east-aminu-dante
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 02, 2022, 06:09:52 AM
Dence holds off St. John’s who are watching their NIT hopes go down the drain
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 02, 2022, 06:34:52 AM
Good road win for Cooley & Company

Seton Hall stops losing streak courtesy of Georgetown
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 02, 2022, 07:19:47 AM
Hurley says he is embarrassed by loss to Creighton

https://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/hc-sp-uconn-men-creighton-recap-20220201-20220202-5wcwcom4krbvnmo6hnghk7eoqu-story.html

McDermott says his team fought U Conn tooth and nail

https://omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/creighton-rebounds-with-big-win-over-no-17-uconn/article_cd93d492-839d-11ec-90c8-2f0af0a7a206.html
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 02, 2022, 08:18:56 AM
“I was stunned at being down 10 at halftime,” Hurley said. “It should have been down four at the half. We did bizarre [things] with the ball. We didn’t look like a well-coached team. I am embarrassed by that. I am embarrassed by how we played. UConn should never look like this.”

Big props to Hurley for holding his team and himself accountable. We need more of that kind of honesty in coaching.

It makes me feel a little bad for saying that I'm still not overly impressed with the job Hurley has done at UConn. I'm NOT saying he's been bad or anything; I just thought he'd have the program a little further along. We'll see how the rest of his 4th season goes, and then beyond.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: lawdog77 on February 02, 2022, 08:26:27 AM
It makes me feel a little bad for saying that I'm still not overly impressed with the job Hurley has done at UConn. I'm NOT saying he's been bad or anything; I just thought he'd have the program a little further along. We'll see how the rest of his 4th season goes, and then beyond.
I think he's been doing pretty well. The two years before he arrived, they were under 500 in the AAC. Since Hurley arrived:
16-17 AAC
19-12 AAC
15-8 Big East Lost 1st rd NCAA
15-5 With a highest ranking of 15

I think with Hurley there,they will be in the Top 3 or 4 in the league every year.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 02, 2022, 08:29:53 AM
I think he's been doing pretty well. The two years before he arrived, they were under 500 in the AAC. Since Hurley arrived:
16-17 AAC
19-12 AAC
15-8 Big East Lost 1st rd NCAA
15-5 With a highest ranking of 15

I think with Hurley there,they will be in the Top 3 or 4 in the league every year.

He's doing OK. He's doing fine. We'll see!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 02, 2022, 11:01:19 AM
I think he's been doing pretty well. The two years before he arrived, they were under 500 in the AAC. Since Hurley arrived:
16-17 AAC
19-12 AAC
15-8 Big East Lost 1st rd NCAA
15-5 With a highest ranking of 15

I think with Hurley there,they will be in the Top 3 or 4 in the league every year.

This year his team is underachieving.  I think they have the most overall talent in the BEast and looked like a F4 team early in the season. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 02, 2022, 11:25:07 AM
This year his team is underachieving.  I think they have the most overall talent in the BEast and looked like a F4 team early in the season.

I mean, what do you base that on? They were ranked 21st to start the season by KenPom and are currently ranked 19th. They were picked to finish second in conference and are currently 3rd. They had a monster double OT win against Auburn, but that was immediately followed by a loss to Michigan State, an OT victory against VCU, and a single digit victory against mighty Maryland Eastern Shore. Prior to the Auburn game they had beaten up on 4 cupcakes. Outside that Auburn game, when did they look final four worthy?

Hurley certainly isn't overperforming this season but I think he's got UConn right where they were projected to be. Overall, I think he's done a good job of building UConn from the crater that Ollie left it in.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 02, 2022, 12:36:25 PM
I mean, what do you base that on? They were ranked 21st to start the season by KenPom and are currently ranked 19th. They were picked to finish second in conference and are currently 3rd. They had a monster double OT win against Auburn, but that was immediately followed by a loss to Michigan State, an OT victory against VCU, and a single digit victory against mighty Maryland Eastern Shore. Prior to the Auburn game they had beaten up on 4 cupcakes. Outside that Auburn game, when did they look final four worthy?

Hurley certainly isn't overperforming this season but I think he's got UConn right where they were projected to be. Overall, I think he's done a good job of building UConn from the crater that Ollie left it in.

Having watched them vs Auburn and Mich St.  They blew the Mich St. game but you could see their talent level in Nov.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: lawdog77 on February 02, 2022, 12:42:08 PM
Having watched them vs Auburn and Mich St.  They blew the Mich St. game but you could see their talent level in Nov.
It's still there. Until the Creighton game, UCONN was on a 5 game win streak,4 by double digits.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 02, 2022, 01:06:44 PM
Hurley certainly isn't overperforming this season but I think he's got UConn right where they were projected to be.

This sounds quite a bit like a popular criticism of everybody's favorite former Marquette coach.

Hurley does seem to have UConn on a decent trajectory. And against us, he was smart enough to take the ball out of Lewis' hands in crunch time; I'm looking forward to seeing the strategic rematch between Hurley and Shaka.

I guess I won't be impressed until he either outperforms expectations or meets super-high expectations. For a coach who's never reached the second weekend, he sure does get a ton of national praise.

But again, I was impressed by him just calling himself out. It WAS an embarrassing loss for him and UConn.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on February 02, 2022, 01:26:56 PM
“I was stunned at being down 10 at halftime,” Hurley said. “It should have been down four at the half. We did bizarre [things] with the ball. We didn’t look like a well-coached team. I am embarrassed by that. I am embarrassed by how we played. UConn should never look like this.”

Big props to Hurley for holding his team and himself accountable. We need more of that kind of honesty in coaching.

It makes me feel a little bad for saying that I'm still not overly impressed with the job Hurley has done at UConn. I'm NOT saying he's been bad or anything; I just thought he'd have the program a little further along. We'll see how the rest of his 4th season goes, and then beyond.

I’m not quite sure why, but I kind of dislike Hurley.
I agree with you that it’s good he held himself and his team accountable, but it also came off as not giving coach McDermott at CU much credit.

That was a big win for Creighton on the road as they try to get and stay on the right side of the bubble.

As the Shaka led Golden Eagles continue to battle for top 3 finishes and BE titles for years ahead, I can see Hurley being one of those guys that will continuously irk me the wrong way.
To his credit he seems like he will have UConn in the top4 yearly so there could be a lot of epic battles in the near future
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 02, 2022, 01:32:16 PM
Having watched them vs Auburn and Mich St.  They blew the Mich St. game but you could see their talent level in Nov.

If you say so. It could also be that Auburn was the best game they will play all season and their actual talent level is a little below final four caliber.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 02, 2022, 01:35:58 PM
This sounds quite a bit like a popular criticism of everybody's favorite former Marquette coach.

Hurley does seem to have UConn on a decent trajectory. And against us, he was smart enough to take the ball out of Lewis' hands in crunch time; I'm looking forward to seeing the strategic rematch between Hurley and Shaka.

I guess I won't be impressed until he either outperforms expectations or meets super-high expectations. For a coach who's never reached the second weekend, he sure does get a ton of national praise.

But again, I was impressed by him just calling himself out. It WAS an embarrassing loss for him and UConn.

Meeting expectations is fine...when the expectations are a top 25 team or better. I would also argue that Hurley has overperformed in each of his first three years.  The year before he took over, KP ranked UConn at 179. Hurley has raised that each year he's been there. We'll see where he peaks and whether or not he can maintain his peak once he gets there.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 02, 2022, 08:40:50 PM
X ekes our a win over Butler

Butler seems to still have some fight in them and won’t be a guaranteed easy win for anyone . That said they are going to have to scratch and claw their way to any wins .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: 1SE on February 03, 2022, 01:35:12 AM
Even when it won't help our NET, I'll be rooting against Nova, X (and UCONN, X and PC) the rest of the way - I want the regular season title!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 03, 2022, 01:44:53 AM
I want the regular season title!

Not going to happen with Providence not making up three tough games that were canceled.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: 1SE on February 03, 2022, 01:48:39 AM
Not going to happen with Providence not making up three tough games that were canceled.

Haven't done all the permutations but they still have Nova x2, X and Creighton.

Neither likely but they could lose all those and we could win out.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 03, 2022, 01:57:30 AM
If Providence goes 5-2 or better, we cannot finish ahead of them

If Providence goes 4-3, we would have to win out to finish ahead of them

If Providence goes 3-4, we would have to finish 6-1 to finish ahead of them
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: SaveOD238 on February 03, 2022, 06:16:28 AM
If Providence goes 5-2 or better, we cannot finish ahead of them

If Providence goes 4-3, we would have to win out to finish ahead of them

If Providence goes 3-4, we would have to finish 6-1 to finish ahead of them

We don't have to finish ahead of Providence.  Just tied with them.  This is where beating Nova was huge for seeding, because they will likely be a high seed.  Record against the top seeds is the next tie-breaker after head-to-head.

Say we both finish 15-5.  First-tiebreaker is head to head, which is tied.  Second tiebreaker is record vs the next highest seed (potentially Nova), which we win.   

A three way tie with PC and XU is a win for MU too, because that tiebreaker is mini-conference record.  We're 3-1.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: 1SE on February 03, 2022, 06:36:29 AM
We don't have to finish ahead of Providence.  Just tied with them.  This is where beating Nova was huge for seeding, because they will likely be a high seed.  Record against the top seeds is the next tie-breaker after head-to-head.

Say we both finish 15-5.  First-tiebreaker is head to head, which is tied.  Second tiebreaker is record vs the next highest seed (potentially Nova), which we win.   

A three way tie with PC and XU is a win for MU too, because that tiebreaker is mini-conference record.  We're 3-1.

But I think the point is teams are going to finish with unbalanced records because of cancelled games? That math gets fuzzy this year.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 03, 2022, 07:30:02 AM
We don't have to finish ahead of Providence.  Just tied with them.  This is where beating Nova was huge for seeding, because they will likely be a high seed.  Record against the top seeds is the next tie-breaker after head-to-head.

Say we both finish 15-5.  First-tiebreaker is head to head, which is tied.  Second tiebreaker is record vs the next highest seed (potentially Nova), which we win.   

A three way tie with PC and XU is a win for MU too, because that tiebreaker is mini-conference record.  We're 3-1.

We can't tie with them unless we have 2 more games canceled
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Shooter McGavin on February 03, 2022, 05:21:13 PM
How many students can attend the GT vs St Johns game?   They can’t even fill up a little gym.

There are more people at a grade school game.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on February 03, 2022, 06:10:46 PM
Is this game in a high school gym?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on February 03, 2022, 06:36:15 PM
Is this game in a high school gym?
at least they can fill up the stands for once
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 03, 2022, 06:38:09 PM
Big night for St. John’s NIT chances
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 03, 2022, 06:47:43 PM
It honestly might be best for the leauge if Gtown has a made up Covid outbreak that carries for the next month.

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 03, 2022, 06:52:28 PM
Gtown cannot continue with Ewing. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 03, 2022, 06:59:20 PM
This is a good win for The Johnnies. Road win and good margin of victory. The Johnnies wont make the tournament, but it modestly helps the league when they win.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 03, 2022, 07:08:50 PM
Gtown cannot continue with Ewing.

Absolute dumpster fire.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on February 03, 2022, 07:25:10 PM
https://twitter.com/Footahh/status/1489387176362131464/photo/1
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 03, 2022, 07:33:36 PM
https://twitter.com/Footahh/status/1489387176362131464/photo/1

Wow....just wow.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 03, 2022, 07:37:41 PM
https://twitter.com/Footahh/status/1489387176362131464/photo/1
Georgetown has some wealthy and influential alumni. This may be the straw that breaks the camels back.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillAWarrior on February 03, 2022, 08:04:05 PM
Is this game in a high school gym?

https://twitter.com/Footahh/status/1489387176362131464/photo/1

That’s McDonough…GU’s on campus gym. That’s where my daughter played her volleyball. They had bigger crowds than that. 😂
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Tha Hound on February 03, 2022, 08:16:57 PM
https://twitter.com/Footahh/status/1489387176362131464/photo/1

Holy smokes this is a bad look
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on February 03, 2022, 08:27:37 PM
Announced attendance: 1,100
Average football attendance per game: 2,127 for a bad 2-8 team
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: EasyDuzIt on February 04, 2022, 03:11:10 AM
Georgetown needs to find there version of Dan Hurley....UCONN was pretty bare when he got there and now there gonna be a consistent contender in the league and he's recruiting really well.
For the sake of the league i want Georgetown to be good...I think if they find the right coach they can get into that consistent tournament team like program, but it needs to be after this season before they fall off the cliff...this attendance issue is just embarrassing
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: 1SE on February 04, 2022, 03:35:21 AM
TBF it looks like the students tried - good on them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpfzvinC6gw

But man is that sad.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on February 04, 2022, 05:18:16 AM
https://twitter.com/Footahh/status/1489387176362131464/photo/1

DFWHoya - What's your prediction on Georgetown's future?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 04, 2022, 09:16:09 AM
Announced attendance: 1,100
Average football attendance per game: 2,127 for a bad 2-8 team

I think that the photo of the small group of students in the 1951 gym may, ironically, be the best thing to happen to Georgetown this season. It is such a strong photo, perfectly illustrating the collapse of Georgetown basketball in a manner that spoken or written words cannot.

Let the conversation about Ewings departure begin in public.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: warriorchick on February 04, 2022, 09:23:36 AM
Georgetown has some wealthy and influential alumni. This may be the straw that breaks the camels back.

John Mullaney should spearhead the effort. He could use the good publicity these days.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 04, 2022, 05:59:09 PM
Do we want Creighton or the Hall today?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on February 04, 2022, 06:04:14 PM
Do we want Creighton or the Hall today?

Creighton. At this point, SHU's NET in the 40s is solidly a Q1 road & Q2 home win. Creighton is close enough to 75 that they could become a Q3 loss if they fall much further. Want them to win so they stay top-75, keeping that a Q2 loss and giving us another Q1 opportunity.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Oldgym on February 04, 2022, 06:23:49 PM
Was thinking earlier today that Creighton passes Hall in BE pecking order.  On that note, Hall is up 18 and Creighton has 3 points in 8 1/2 minutes. 

Well then.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 04, 2022, 06:38:42 PM
Creighton may reach double digits by halftime.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 04, 2022, 06:41:40 PM
I still can't believe MU frittered away the Creighton game at home.  It might have been the spark that galvanized the squad and proved to be the seminal moment for this team, but that loss still stings.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: YoungMUFan4 on February 04, 2022, 07:29:27 PM
I still can't believe MU frittered away the Creighton game at home.  It might have been the spark that galvanized the squad and proved to be the seminal moment for this team, but that loss still stings.

Yup and it might fall to a Q3 loss after this game tonight.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 05, 2022, 07:06:33 AM
The Hall got back on track with a big home win over Creighton
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: muwarrior69 on February 05, 2022, 08:51:41 AM
UConn at Nova Noon ET Today: I'm going to go with Nova since they're at home.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Big Papi on February 05, 2022, 09:44:10 AM
TBF it looks like the students tried - good on them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpfzvinC6gw

But man is that sad.

Kacey Musgraves concert forced the rescheduled game on campus.

"Big country fans in DC"   

Hilarious commentary.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 05, 2022, 11:12:24 AM
UConn at Nova Noon ET Today: I'm going to go with Nova since they're at home.

But what's better for us?  BREW needs to lay this out.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 05, 2022, 11:14:09 AM
But what's better for us?  BREW needs to lay this out.

Justin Moore is out for Nova.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 05, 2022, 11:18:00 AM
Justin Moore is out for Nova.
put.

Huge loss.  I've decided I can't stand Hurley
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 05, 2022, 11:20:54 AM
put.

Huge loss.  I've decided I can't stand Hurley

What did Hurley do to Justin Moore?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 05, 2022, 11:24:03 AM
Clearly Hurkey isn't thrilled with their 5 fouls in 7 mins. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Fred Garvin on February 05, 2022, 11:26:17 AM
I think it would be better for UCONN to win this one,and for Villanova to beat Providence  twice.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 05, 2022, 11:27:34 AM
I think it would be better for UCONN to win this one,and for Villanova to beat Providence  twice.

I honestly have no idea.  Where's Brew at?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: We R Final Four on February 05, 2022, 11:33:30 AM
This should keep you occupied on Saturday. Start your day cheering for UConn at Villanova. This one is tough because 'Nova represents two of Marquette's best wins, but it's not impossible for MU to pass them on the S-Curve and a 'Nova loss gets them to 4 losses, improving our Big East title hopes while MU can hand UConn a fourth Big East loss themselves on Tuesday.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 05, 2022, 11:41:21 AM
The ‘ler up late on the Johnnies in the 1st half in Indy.  This would be a devastating loss for SJU NIT hopes

Nova on a 7-0 run at home over the ‘onn to go up 26-19 with 7:11 left in the first half
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 05, 2022, 11:44:22 AM
This should keep you occupied on Saturday. Start your day cheering for UConn at Villanova. This one is tough because 'Nova represents two of Marquette's best wins, but it's not impossible for MU to pass them on the S-Curve and a 'Nova loss gets them to 4 losses, improving our Big East title hopes while MU can hand UConn a fourth Big East loss themselves on Tuesday.

Sounds reasonable.  UCONN might want to shoot better than 20%.  They look atrocious and that team definitely has talent.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 05, 2022, 11:57:07 AM
The ‘ler and SJU tied at half.  SJU looking for their first back-to-back wins in conference this season.

Nova up on the ‘onn by 12 with :30 left in the first half.  Huskies flustered, Nova patiently whittling them down
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 05, 2022, 12:00:15 PM
 Nova up 40-29 on the ‘onn but RJ Cole with a buzzer beater from half court heading into half
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: We R Final Four on February 05, 2022, 12:16:02 PM
Jim Jackson thinks the BE has 10 teams.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Skatastrophy on February 05, 2022, 12:29:40 PM
#14 on Nova is Markus Howard wearing a beard as a disguise
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 05, 2022, 12:32:10 PM
We need to take out UCONN.  What a bizarre team.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 05, 2022, 12:34:51 PM
Jim Jackson thinks the BE has 10 teams.

Give him a break. His kid could only get into Wisconsin.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 05, 2022, 12:42:29 PM
Butler and The Johnnies in a tight battle
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on February 05, 2022, 12:42:57 PM
Nova is punishing UConn...my goodness.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 05, 2022, 12:44:37 PM
Who knew that 2 losses to Marquette would motivate Nova so!

Dan Hurley still has a lot to prove as a P6 coach. Here's hoping he doesn't prove it Tuesday.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: shoothoops on February 05, 2022, 12:57:50 PM
Nice game from Eric Dixon from Villanova. 22 and 10 so far.

Collin Gillespie rolled his ankle late landing on the foot of a 3 point shooter. Appears to thankfully be minor.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on February 05, 2022, 01:04:21 PM
Nova is punishing UConn...my goodness.
Bodes well for Tuesday
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on February 05, 2022, 01:14:47 PM
Bodes well for Tuesday

I used to think if a team we play loses right before we play them they'll be extra motivated to get a win, but Shaka has ALMOST completely made me forget about that mindset.

Such a breath of fresh air to have a team that forgets the past and focuses on the task at hand. Marquette plays their game every night and adjusts as necessary. That's how you build a winner.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 05, 2022, 01:17:59 PM
The Jonnies win a close win at Butler


Nova win over U Conn is helpful to MU. We want NOva with as high of a rating and best record possible . Makes are two wins over Nova more valuable
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on February 05, 2022, 01:21:17 PM
Mother of UConn PG R.J. Cole is on Twitter complaining that Nova gave UConn parents seats in the nosebleeds instead of by their team bench like you typically see. Ultimate troll job by Nova.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 05, 2022, 01:27:21 PM
Mike Anderson didn’t foul up 3. StJ did a nice job defending and making Butler’s 3 attempt very difficult, and it ended up being an airball.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Oldgym on February 05, 2022, 01:51:01 PM
Not Big East, but interesting.  Hot Seat Crean's Georgia Bulldogs up 2 on #1 Auburn at the last media timeout.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 05, 2022, 01:51:58 PM
DP up 7 at half in Cincinnati against the ‘er
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Tha Hound on February 05, 2022, 01:55:46 PM
Not Big East, but interesting.  Hot Seat Crean's Georgia Bulldogs up 2 on #1 Auburn at the last media timeout.

Auburn's record speaks for itself but I have to say they look like absolute garbage. My first time seeing them and not remotely impressed
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 05, 2022, 01:56:50 PM
Auburn's record speaks for itself but I have to say they look like absolute garbage. My first time seeing them and not remotely impressed

Probably disjointed over the Bryan Harsin stories
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 05, 2022, 02:00:04 PM
Was that really a no call?  I didn't see it clearly.  What will Crean dial up?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 05, 2022, 02:01:19 PM
Auburn survived
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on February 05, 2022, 02:15:01 PM
But what's better for us?  BREW needs to lay this out.

Thread on the front page with a Cracked Sidewalks link that includes what was best for us. ;)

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=62957.0
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Shark on February 05, 2022, 02:27:03 PM
Xavier has their Wojo hopefully he doesn't get fired
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on February 05, 2022, 02:51:53 PM
Xavier in trouble at home versus DePaul.

BLUE BLUE!!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: fjm on February 05, 2022, 03:00:34 PM
Xav loses to ‘aul. Rough loss.

Hopefully the ‘dence doesn’t lose to the ‘own
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on February 05, 2022, 03:00:35 PM
xavier craps the bed at home vs depaul. lol
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 05, 2022, 03:01:31 PM
Zero nights off in the Big East, signed DePaul winning at Xavier.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 05, 2022, 03:01:59 PM
Xav loses to ‘aul. Rough loss.

Hopefully the ‘dence doesn’t lose to the ‘own

?

Would love them to take an L
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on February 05, 2022, 03:03:15 PM
Stubblefield realized everyone knew what "blue! blue!" meant, so he craftily changed it to "azul! azul!". Steele could never figure it out.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Jockey on February 05, 2022, 03:09:10 PM
Zero nights off in the Big East, signed DePaul winning at Xavier.

This is what is so great about Conference play. One guy off the bench who gets hot can decide a game like this. It’s why every conference win is a big win.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 05, 2022, 03:18:21 PM
This is what is so great about Conference play. One guy off the bench who gets hot can decide a game like this. It’s why every conference win is a big win.

I just checked the box score and saw Courvoisier McCauley gave them the Jean Felix treatment.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 05, 2022, 03:19:53 PM
X fans begging for Sean Miller to be brought back next year
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mileskishnish72 on February 05, 2022, 03:40:12 PM
Great jobby DePaul playing without Freeman-Liberty.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 05, 2022, 03:41:33 PM
Can not let up one game in this league. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Equalizer on February 05, 2022, 03:56:43 PM
Who knew that 2 losses to Marquette would motivate Nova so!

Dan Hurley still has a lot to prove as a P6 coach. Here's hoping he doesn't prove it Tuesday.

He seems like the biggest whiner since Joey Meyer.  I can' think of another current coach who seems so perpetually outraged at every call (and non-call). 

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 05, 2022, 04:26:11 PM
He seems like the biggest whiner since Joey Meyer.  I can' think of another current coach who seems so perpetually outraged at every call (and non-call).

Tom Izzo
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 05, 2022, 04:32:25 PM
Cooley & Company can not let their guard down tomorrow at Georgetown
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 05, 2022, 04:33:40 PM
Cooley & Company can not let their guard down tomorrow at Georgetown

Yes, yes they can.

Would love to see it.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: 1SE on February 05, 2022, 04:41:50 PM
I just checked the box score and saw Courvoisier McCauley gave them the Jean Felix treatment.

The wildest thing about that box score is that B. Favre logged a minute for the blue devils. Doubt A. Rodgers will still.be hooping at 55.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: muwarrior69 on February 05, 2022, 05:05:49 PM
Tom Izzo

He is whinning quite a bit as he is getting blown out of the water by Rutgers which is up by 21 the last time I looked.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: We R Final Four on February 05, 2022, 05:18:04 PM
Yes, yes they can.

Would love to see it.
Exactly….I don’t understand where some scoopers are coming from.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 05, 2022, 05:22:50 PM
Exactly….I don’t understand where some scoopers are coming from.

Yeah a Prov loss would definitely lose us a Q1. But right now Ill take the trade off to still have life in the conference. Them losing to Gtown would really open the door.

Lets be honest, it aint happening though.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: fjm on February 05, 2022, 05:54:17 PM
?

Would love them to take an L

Sh!t. My bad cap. Good point.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 05, 2022, 07:14:41 PM
The Provi ain't losing to Big Geo ... but I'd love it if that's wrong.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on February 05, 2022, 10:10:46 PM
With the exception of UConn, Georgetown can beat anyone in the conference. But a defense which is allowing opponents to shoot 57 percent from two point range isn't a measure of success.

I'm just hoping for a better home turnout downtown than on Thursday. Projection for Sunday's game: 4,300.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on February 06, 2022, 03:16:10 AM
With the exception of UConn, Georgetown can beat anyone in the conference. But a defense which is allowing opponents to shoot 57 percent from two point range isn't a measure of success.

I'm just hoping for a better home turnout downtown than on Thursday. Projection for Sunday's game: 4,300.

Can they though ?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Shark on February 06, 2022, 09:27:49 AM
With the exception of UConn, Georgetown can beat anyone in the conference. But a defense which is allowing opponents to shoot 57 percent from two point range isn't a measure of success.

I'm just hoping for a better home turnout downtown than on Thursday. Projection for Sunday's game: 4,300.

If/when GTown upsets someone in conference I think it’ll have much more to do with the nature of the sport vs how good they are. Possibly the worst big east team I can remember being fielded
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 06, 2022, 10:05:46 AM
With the exception of UConn, Georgetown can beat anyone in the conference. But a defense which is allowing opponents to shoot 57 percent from two point range isn't a measure of success.

I'm just hoping for a better home turnout downtown than on Thursday. Projection for Sunday's game: 4,300.

Please explain. Are you saying that if Ewing and Georgetown parted ways today, the team under almost any competent coach could win in the BE? Or do you mean "even with Ewing"? I am trying to be respectful but I see no evidence supporting your claim that they can beat any team, although DePaul proved yesterday that a team with poor results year to date can pull off an upset, even on the road vs, Xavier. And why exclude UCONN? GT has a few 7 footers to handle Sanogo.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 06, 2022, 10:12:50 AM
With the exception of UConn, Georgetown can beat anyone in the conference. But a defense which is allowing opponents to shoot 57 percent from two point range isn't a measure of success.

I'm just hoping for a better home turnout downtown than on Thursday. Projection for Sunday's game: 4,300.

Yes. If Georgetown could get better at basketball they could win more basketball games.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Boston Warrior on February 06, 2022, 11:52:14 AM
Georgetown 1/2 way there… up 3 at half vs Providence!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 06, 2022, 11:58:12 AM
Nor exactly an impressive half for Providence.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mileskishnish72 on February 06, 2022, 12:00:48 PM
Hang on, Hoyas.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 06, 2022, 12:00:56 PM
Nor exactly an impressive half for Providence.

The Town playing harder than the Dence is the difference.  Neither team playing very well
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Ardmore Mug on February 06, 2022, 12:13:53 PM
8 fouls (4 on ea team)  called in the first 3:30 of 2nd half...  Jeffery Anderson crew  ::)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Oldgym on February 06, 2022, 12:15:53 PM
Just turned it on, and whoever is doing play-by-play on FS1 sounds like Bon Scott circa 1979 when Georgetown does something good. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 06, 2022, 12:25:20 PM
The Town playing harder than the Dence is the difference.  Neither team playing very well

It could wind up a FT contest.  Tons of fouls in the 2nd half.  Providence is a good defensive team but very mediocre offensively.   Durham played out his ass vs us in Providence.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 06, 2022, 12:25:39 PM
It’s Eric Collins.  He does Charlotte Hornets games and College hoops for Fox sports.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 06, 2022, 12:26:06 PM
It’s Eric Collins.  He does Charlotte Hornets games and College hoops for Fox sports.

He's excellent. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 06, 2022, 12:38:19 PM
It literally looks like Gtown is point shaving.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 06, 2022, 12:44:53 PM
It literally looks like Gtown is point shaving.

At least they are doing something right.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 06, 2022, 12:52:55 PM
Gtown should honestly get rid of Ewing immediately.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on February 06, 2022, 01:22:45 PM
Gtown should honestly get rid of Ewing immediately.

I thought the same while watching. They are a complete embarrassment at this point. The program is completely at rock bottom. It’s time to blow it up and start over.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on February 06, 2022, 01:24:57 PM
It literally looks like Gtown is point shaving.

The end of the game was incredible.  Down 15, under 2 min, decided to just jack 3s and honestly 4 out of 5 didn’t even hit rim.  They are horrifically bad
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on February 06, 2022, 01:25:53 PM
Just turned it on, and whoever is doing play-by-play on FS1 sounds like Bon Scott circa 1979 when Georgetown does something good.

A posted on the HoyaTalk board likened it to Joey Styles on the old ECW broadcasts.

As for the game, Georgetown finished 1 for 12 in the final 7:34. They're just out of gas.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Thing on February 06, 2022, 01:42:00 PM
A posted on the HoyaTalk board likened it to Joey Styles on the old ECW broadcasts.

As for the game, Georgetown finished 1 for 12 in the final 7:34. They're just out of gas.

When have they actually had gas this season? At least the good kind?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 06, 2022, 01:47:27 PM
Comfortable win for Cooley  &  Company
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Lens on February 06, 2022, 01:47:39 PM
Georgetown should make a run at Ed Cooley or Kevin Willard. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 06, 2022, 01:48:28 PM
Georgetown should make a run at Ed Cooley or Kevin Willard.

Have to think Shaka will be high on their short list
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 06, 2022, 01:52:37 PM
OK- seriously. Who might Georgetown go after and have a good chance of landing? And how will the job be viewed in terms of desirability?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on February 06, 2022, 01:54:20 PM
When have they actually had gas this season? At least the good kind?

They beat Syracuse on December 11. It's not much but you take what you can get when your last win was December 15.

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Lens on February 06, 2022, 01:54:51 PM
Have to think Shaka will be high on their short list

Sadly I don’t think Georgetown has the commitment to winning that Shaka (or Cooley or Willard) would need to even look at it.  This isn’t all on Ewing, they don’t have the right structure in place.  They need a department make over like DePaul just did with the admin from Kentucky.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 06, 2022, 02:13:48 PM
It’s Eric Collins.  He does Charlotte Hornets games and College hoops for Fox sports.

He worked in Chicago for years. As the Hornets' guy now, he has developed a homer/screamer style, with a bunch of little catchphrases. He actually tones himself down for these national games because he doesn't have a rooting interest. His style really isn't my cup of tea, but at least he isn't boring. He's fine.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 06, 2022, 02:20:00 PM
Would Chris Mack go there?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: LAZER on February 06, 2022, 02:32:59 PM
Would Chris Mack go there?
I think he should take the job if offered. Not sure what to make of Mack after this Louisville disaster.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhiteTrash on February 06, 2022, 02:38:32 PM
Would Chris Mack go there?
I think he would but would GU want him. Kinda toxic right now.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 06, 2022, 03:30:52 PM
I think he would but would GU want him. Kinda toxic right now.

True, but GU is kinda desperate right now.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bilsu on February 06, 2022, 03:41:47 PM
True, but GU is kinda desperate right now.
It really depends on what the administration wants. A coach that wins or a coach the runs a clean program.
A school that wants a clean program might hire Wojo. A school that wants to win probably will not hire Wojo. A school that wants a clean program probably would not hire Mack, but a team that wants to win might.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 06, 2022, 03:48:23 PM
It really depends on what the administration wants. A coach that wins or a coach the runs a clean program.
A school that wants a clean program might hire Wojo. A school that wants to win probably will not hire Wojo. A school that wants a clean program probably would not hire Mack, but a team that wants to win might.

So what’s Shaka?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: YoungMUFan4 on February 06, 2022, 03:55:23 PM
Why does Providence have just one game between Feb 2 and Feb 11th when they have 3 to make up?  Hard to believe they couldn't have fit one or two games in there.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: jfp61 on February 06, 2022, 04:06:46 PM
It really depends on what the administration wants. A coach that wins or a coach the runs a clean program.
A school that wants a clean program might hire Wojo. A school that wants to win probably will not hire Wojo. A school that wants a clean program probably would not hire Mack, but a team that wants to win might.

Chris Mack's "unclean program" was because he fired a person he was forced to hire by the university without HR there.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Equalizer on February 06, 2022, 04:26:01 PM
Chris Mack's "unclean program" was because he fired a person he was forced to hire by the university without HR there.

What do you mean by "forced to hire?"

Gaudio was an assistant at Xavier when Mack played there and they were on the same staff under Skip Prosser at both Xavier and later Wake Forest.  They certainly had to know each other pretty well.

And saying that the only issue with Mack was firing an assistant doesn't seem to fit with the story
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2021/10/01/ncaa-adds-chris-mack-violations-following-dino-gaudio-incident/5949698001/ (https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2021/10/01/ncaa-adds-chris-mack-violations-following-dino-gaudio-incident/5949698001/)


Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 06, 2022, 04:54:34 PM
So what’s Shaka?

Ours.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BrewCity83 on February 06, 2022, 05:48:13 PM
So what’s Shaka?

A Unicorn.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 06, 2022, 07:02:37 PM
https://www.providencejournal.com/story/sports/college/2022/02/06/providence-college-takes-georgetown-big-east-mens-basketball-game/6684124001/

Attendance at todays game was 5575
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 06, 2022, 07:19:12 PM
The Hall enjoying their new uniforms.

(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/02/1238192083.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1488)
 New uniforms discussed in this article:
https://www.nj.com/setonhall/2022/02/seton-hall-puts-on-a-clinic-in-74-55-destruction-of-creighton-for-2nd-straight-win.html
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on February 06, 2022, 08:40:20 PM
It really depends on what the administration wants. A coach that wins or a coach the runs a clean program.
A school that wants a clean program might hire Wojo. A school that wants to win probably will not hire Wojo. A school that wants a clean program probably would not hire Mack, but a team that wants to win might.

I’m prepared to be attacked by the board on this one but I think Wojo would be a home run hire for GTown.

East coast guy from Baltimore with east coast ties at Duke. Clean and easy to respect. Good recruiter. Knows the BE well and now has experience. Had enough success, but most importantly failure and knows what it’s like to not be wanted (much like our very own Shaka at Texas).

He would step in and want to badly bring GTown back to its glory days. He would want the admiration and respect of the alums and GTown nation.
He would clearly need to hire a defensive minded assistant and hand over the keys of that side of the ball, maybe someone inside the GTown family circle to energize the fanbase.

I think it would be a successful hire for Georgetown, and would be a lot of fun for Marquette fans.
I sign off on the move.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: We R Final Four on February 06, 2022, 08:44:01 PM
I hope Georgetown grabs him soon, because I want to hear the student section when Wojo walks into Fiserv before this class is gone.
That would be fun.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on February 06, 2022, 09:00:14 PM
https://www.providencejournal.com/story/sports/college/2022/02/06/providence-college-takes-georgetown-big-east-mens-basketball-game/6684124001/

Attendance at todays game was 5575

The season average was 5,498, so it was to form. The trend is not good, however.

2011-12: 11,283
2012-13: 10,911
2013-14: 8,670
2014-15: 9,630
2015-16: 8,879
2016-17: 8,062
2017-18: 7,531
2018-19: 7,212
2019-20: 7,931
2021-22: 5,498
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 06, 2022, 09:01:53 PM
Hurley not pleased with U Conn defense

https://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/hc-sp-uconn-men-villanova-follow-20220206-20220206-yakssijucjgoxnrnmsu7wu6a6y-story.html
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mug644 on February 06, 2022, 10:05:31 PM
I’m prepared to be attacked by the board on this one but I think Wojo would be a home run hire for GTown.

East coast guy from Baltimore with east coast ties at Duke. Clean and easy to respect. Good recruiter. Knows the BE well and now has experience. Had enough success, but most importantly failure and knows what it’s like to not be wanted (much like our very own Shaka at Texas).

He would step in and want to badly bring GTown back to its glory days. He would want the admiration and respect of the alums and GTown nation.
He would clearly need to hire a defensive minded assistant and hand over the keys of that side of the ball, maybe someone inside the GTown family circle to energize the fanbase.

I think it would be a successful hire for Georgetown, and would be a lot of fun for Marquette fans.
I sign off on the move.

Hmm. I’ve been wondering if Crean to G’town might be explored.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 06, 2022, 10:20:05 PM
Hmm. I’ve been wondering if Crean to G’town might be explored.

TC to DC confirmed.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 06, 2022, 10:24:10 PM
Hmm. I’ve been wondering if Crean to G’town might be explored.

Honestly probably wouldn't be a bad hire. Him at Georgia never made any sense to me.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BrewCity83 on February 07, 2022, 09:40:24 AM
It's Georgetown...it's GEORGETOWN!!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Elonsmusk on February 07, 2022, 09:53:02 AM
I’m prepared to be attacked by the board on this one but I think Wojo would be a home run hire for GTown.

East coast guy from Baltimore with east coast ties at Duke. Clean and easy to respect. Good recruiter. Knows the BE well and now has experience. Had enough success, but most importantly failure and knows what it’s like to not be wanted (much like our very own Shaka at Texas).

He would step in and want to badly bring GTown back to its glory days. He would want the admiration and respect of the alums and GTown nation.
He would clearly need to hire a defensive minded assistant and hand over the keys of that side of the ball, maybe someone inside the GTown family circle to energize the fanbase.

I think it would be a successful hire for Georgetown, and would be a lot of fun for Marquette fans.
I sign off on the move.

Considering Wojo "led" Marquette to 9th place finish in his 7th year on the job, had zero NCAA wins, and was let go by Marquette?  Pretty sure GTown fans would NOT sign off on that hire.  At all.  I get the East Coast native angle, yet many of Wojo's ace recruits were from the relationships of Stan and Dwayne Killings.

It was mentioned in a different thread that Shaka's results weren't all that different from Wojos.  Well, Shaka won the Big 12 title last year and the Big 12 was and has been a much tougher conference than the Big East the last 7 years.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: wadesworld on February 07, 2022, 10:03:24 AM
Considering Wojo "led" Marquette to 9th place finish in his 7th year on the job, had zero NCAA wins, and was let go by Marquette?  Pretty sure GTown fans would NOT sign off on that hire.  At all.  I get the East Coast native angle, yet many of Wojo's ace recruits were from the relationships of Stan and Dwayne Killings.

It was mentioned in a different thread that Shaka's results weren't all that different from Wojos.  Well, Shaka won the Big 12 title last year and the Big 12 was and has been a much tougher conference than the Big East the last 7 years.

Texas won the Big Twelve Tournament, not the regular season title.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 07, 2022, 10:06:34 AM
https://twitter.com/HolyLandofHoops/status/1490402158864478212?s=20&t=WN_1E8n12ZqfEx6JsXBOgg

@HolyLandofHoops
Ok, I understand the @BIGEASTMBB has rules on rescheduling of games, but the fact that Providence doesn’t play a single game all upcoming week and yet has three games that apparently won’t be rescheduled is not great.


I agree.  The Big East rescheduling rules are dumb. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Equalizer on February 07, 2022, 10:10:18 AM
Considering Wojo "led" Marquette to 9th place finish in his 7th year on the job, had zero NCAA wins, and was let go by Marquette?  Pretty sure GTown fans would NOT sign off on that hire.  At all.  I get the East Coast native angle, yet many of Wojo's ace recruits were from the relationships of Stan and Dwayne Killings.

And yet, Wojo would be an upgrade for Georgetown.

In a terrible season, he still won 8 games in conference, which is 8 more than Georgetown has right now.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: wadesworld on February 07, 2022, 10:10:28 AM
https://twitter.com/HolyLandofHoops/status/1490402158864478212?s=20&t=WN_1E8n12ZqfEx6JsXBOgg

@HolyLandofHoops
Ok, I understand the @BIGEASTMBB has rules on rescheduling of games, but the fact that Providence doesn’t play a single game all upcoming week and yet has three games that apparently won’t be rescheduled is not great.


I agree.  The Big East rescheduling rules are dumb.

Teams they had games cancelled with and didn't make up:

Seton Hall - play Xavier on Wednesday, Villanova on Saturday
UCONN - play Marquette on Tuesday, Xavier on Friday
Creighton - play Butler on Tuesday, Georgetown on Saturday

So if you try to reschedule the only real option is maybe at Creighton on Thursday, in which you're making both teams play 3 games in 5 days.

Just not real options to reschedule those this week.  And then they're playing twice a week through March 1.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 07, 2022, 10:14:16 AM
So if you try to reschedule the only real option is maybe at Creighton on Thursday, in which you're making both teams play 3 games in 5 days.

Seton Hall played 3 games in 5 days in order to make up games.  I'd be pissed if I were them.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: wadesworld on February 07, 2022, 10:18:01 AM
Seton Hall played 3 games in 5 days in order to make up games.  I'd be pissed if I were them.

Yes, the team making up the games played a bunch in a row.  But in this case, you're punishing a team that didn't have to shut down.  Providence would be more rested than the team you are having them play against.

Creighton would play Butler at 8:00 PM Tuesday, then a (presumably) evening game on Thursday, then fly out that night? for their 11:00 AM game at Georgetown on Saturday.  It just doesn't really fit.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Ardmore Mug on February 07, 2022, 10:23:19 AM
NM
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 07, 2022, 10:23:35 AM
Yes, the team making up the games played a bunch in a row.  But in this case, you're punishing a team that didn't have to shut down.

I think that game was postponed because of St. John's not Seton Hall.  St. John's postponed their Dec. 20, Dec. 23, Dec. 29, and Jan. 1 games which included Seton Hall and Marquette.

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 07, 2022, 10:29:00 AM
Seton Hall played 3 games in 5 days in order to make up games.  I'd be pissed if I were them.


I am assuming Seton Hall agreed to this arrangement though right?  Also, the made up game was a short bus ride in the same metropolitan area and would not involve a flight from Providence to Omaha.

Also, it's Seton Hall.  If they're pissed, that's OK.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 07, 2022, 10:29:11 AM
But in this case, you're punishing a team that didn't have to shut down.

And by not rescheduling you are rewarding the team that did have to shut down.

I have a bigger problem with percentage determining standings.  They should sort by win total then percentage.  Neither system is fair but why reward the teams that didn't play their games. If you had to shut down and can't have the game rescheduled, you lose a chance at a win.

Villanova shouldn't have won the Big East last year at 11-4 over 13-6 Creighton.  That's crap, especially when Villanova canceled a game for mental health. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 07, 2022, 10:30:46 AM
Also, the made up game was a short bus ride in the same metropolitan area and would not involve a flight from Providence to Omaha.

That's true.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: wadesworld on February 07, 2022, 10:31:55 AM
And by not rescheduling you are rewarding the team that did have to shut down.

I have a bigger problem with percentage determining standings.  They should sort by win total then percentage.  Neither system is fair but why reward the teams that didn't play their games.

Villanova shouldn't have won the Big East last year at 11-4 over 13-6 Creighton.  That's crap, especially when Villanova canceled a game for mental health.

Every level of sports goes off of win percentage.  That's just common sense.  A team that sits at 6-4 is off to a better start to the season than a team that sits at 6-6, not an equally good start.

Of course it sucks that Providence missed 3 games that all could be possible losses.  But that's the reality we live in during the pandemic.  There's no right way to do these things.  I don't think Providence is intentionally dodging those games, I think it's just hard to schedule them.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 07, 2022, 10:33:08 AM
Every level of sports goes off of win percentage. 

That's fine when everyone plays near the same amount of games.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 07, 2022, 10:34:12 AM
There's no right way to do these things.  I don't think Providence is intentionally dodging those games, I think it's just hard to schedule them.

That's why you should sort by win total.

If you had to shut down and can't have the game rescheduled, you lose a chance at a win.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 07, 2022, 10:36:37 AM
I don't think Providence is intentionally dodging those games, I think it's just hard to schedule them.

I agree.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 07, 2022, 10:44:42 AM
I'm much more invested in our chances in the BET than finishing at the top in the regular season. Win the BET and get better seeding and possibly be placed in the MW region as well. A spiffy banner is a bonus but more important than that, we would get publicity that recruits and transfers will see.

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 07, 2022, 10:45:18 AM
Yes, the team making up the games played a bunch in a row.  But in this case, you're punishing a team that didn't have to shut down.  Providence would be more rested than the team you are having them play against.

Creighton would play Butler at 8:00 PM Tuesday, then a (presumably) evening game on Thursday, then fly out that night? for their 11:00 AM game at Georgetown on Saturday.  It just doesn't really fit.

You're definitely right.

Although, may be in Creightons best interest to try and get that Q1 win.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Oldgym on February 07, 2022, 10:49:04 AM
I'm much more invested in our chances in the BET than finishing at the top in the regular season. Win the BET and get better seeding and possibly be placed in the MW region as well. A spiffy banner is a bonus but more important than that, we would get publicity that recruits and transfers will see.

100%.  A good showing in the BET = momentum going into the dance.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 07, 2022, 11:19:25 AM
I'm much more invested in our chances in the BET than finishing at the top in the regular season. Win the BET and get better seeding and possibly be placed in the MW region as well. A spiffy banner is a bonus but more important than that, we would get publicity that recruits and transfers will see.

I may be the outlier here, but I always like a "duck out in the semis" for the BET to give the team some rest. Feel like the rest helps more than any seeding jump (which I will defer to Brew here, but on a conjecture basis feel like the jump isn't that high if there is one at all).
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Pepe Sylvia on February 07, 2022, 11:28:01 AM
I want Marquette to go somewhere and leave with a win at the end. Win the Big East tournament. Do it. It will be fun for me to watch.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillAWarrior on February 07, 2022, 12:05:18 PM
I may be the outlier here, but I always like a "duck out in the semis" for the BET to give the team some rest. Feel like the rest helps more than any seeding jump (which I will defer to Brew here, but on a conjecture basis feel like the jump isn't that high if there is one at all).

I'd be curious to see if there is any data on this point. I have a hard time believing that one additional game on Saturday would have any lasting effect by the following Thursday (or Friday).
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Equalizer on February 07, 2022, 12:51:03 PM
I may be the outlier here, but I always like a "duck out in the semis" for the BET to give the team some rest. Feel like the rest helps more than any seeding jump (which I will defer to Brew here, but on a conjecture basis feel like the jump isn't that high if there is one at all).

Winning the BET led to a pretty high jump in seed for Georgetown last year. 

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 07, 2022, 12:59:28 PM
Winning the BET led to a pretty high jump in seed for Georgetown last year.

Yes, they went from "not even close to making the tournament" to "autobid." I'm talking whether it helps at large seeding.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Elonsmusk on February 07, 2022, 01:15:51 PM
Texas won the Big Twelve Tournament, not the regular season title.

Correct.  The 4th place regular season finish at 11-6 in the second toughest leage (it had been the toughest the 5 previous years) and final KenPom ranking of 26 is substantially better than our 83rd ranked finish in KenPom.

This all aside, the optics from the GTown fanbase of hiring Wojo, whom was fired by MU would be a tough sell.  No doubt GTown fans/alum likely see their program as better (not necessarily accurate), and to hire a coach whom Marquette felt wasn't good enough?  Would be shocked if they could sell that hire.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 07, 2022, 03:14:53 PM
Correct.  The 4th place regular season finish at 11-6 in the second toughest leage (it had been the toughest the 5 previous years) and final KenPom ranking of 26 is substantially better than our 83rd ranked finish in KenPom.

This all aside, the optics from the GTown fanbase of hiring Wojo, whom was fired by MU would be a tough sell.  No doubt GTown fans/alum likely see their program as better (not necessarily accurate), and to hire a coach whom Marquette felt wasn't good enough?  Would be shocked if they could sell that hire.

I don’t think you have to worry about that

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BrewCity83 on February 07, 2022, 03:26:50 PM
I may be the outlier here, but I always like a "duck out in the semis" for the BET to give the team some rest. Feel like the rest helps more than any seeding jump (which I will defer to Brew here, but on a conjecture basis feel like the jump isn't that high if there is one at all).

The 2011 UCONN team is on Line 1...
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 07, 2022, 03:27:41 PM
Wonder if Dennis Gates would be a good fit at Georgetown.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 07, 2022, 03:35:20 PM
Wonder if Dennis Gates would be a good fit at Georgetown.

Good question.  Is he the heir apparent Ad FSU when Leonard Hamilton finally retires, though?

Ryan Odom and Jeff Boals would seem like guys worth exploring as well. 

I’m not sure if Matt McMahon is a fit but he’s had a lot of success at Murray State.  John Becker of Vermont?

I wouldn’t be shocked if Jamie Dixon got a look, either
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 07, 2022, 03:54:10 PM
The 2011 UCONN team is on Line 1...

Fair. That team was really odd. Lost 7 of their last 11 games in the conference. Dropped from being ranked 6 to 21. Then just went on a heater against 4 top 25 teams (and also, DePaul). Definitely helped them to play who they played and win the BET in terms of seeding.

I just recall Brew having an article talking about the conference tourneys don't really do much from a seeding perspective. Maybe I am recalling incorrectly.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MUfan12 on February 07, 2022, 04:06:50 PM
I wouldn’t be shocked if Jamie Dixon got a look, either

If he's up for a project I think Dixon would be a great hire there.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 07, 2022, 04:07:16 PM
I don't think Providence is intentionally dodging those games, I think it's just hard to schedule them.

It’s also in their best interest not to reschedule them. I wonder if they would “try harder” to play the games if they were on the bubble or just on the other side of it.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 07, 2022, 04:11:27 PM
If he's up for a project I think Dixon would be a great hire there.

With the b12 changes, I could see him thinking about a move.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Pepe Sylvia on February 07, 2022, 04:37:55 PM
It’s also in their best interest not to reschedule them. I wonder if they would “try harder” to play the games if they were on the bubble or just on the other side of it.

The Big East is responsible for rescheduling conference games. I guess providence can like fudge arena availability or whatever but they didn't make the no 3 game weeks back to back, no back to back games rules that have made making up their games untenable.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 07, 2022, 04:52:36 PM
With the b12 changes, I could see him thinking about a move.

He’s been sniffing around other jobs the last few cycles.  TCU is what it is as far as a basketball job.  He’s still only 56, so he’s not too old.  He has experience in the league, sort of.  I’m just not sure what Georgetown’s vision is.

I’d throw out Sean Miller or Chris Mack but I’m not sure those are the type of reclamation projects they’d want
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on February 07, 2022, 05:09:07 PM
Is Matta rested and ready?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bilsu on February 07, 2022, 05:20:08 PM
Considering Wojo "led" Marquette to 9th place finish in his 7th year on the job, had zero NCAA wins, and was let go by Marquette?  Pretty sure GTown fans would NOT sign off on that hire.  At all.  I get the East Coast native angle, yet many of Wojo's ace recruits were from the relationships of Stan and Dwayne Killings.

It was mentioned in a different thread that Shaka's results weren't all that different from Wojos.  Well, Shaka won the Big 12 title last year and the Big 12 was and has been a much tougher conference than the Big East the last 7 years.
The zero NCAA wins and lack of success in the Big East tourney were a big problem for me. However, we should not forget how much Covid hurt last year's team. We came close to beating UCLA and Oklahoma St. I have to believe we might have won those games, if we did not have to shut down practice for 14 days. That shut down really hurt the team and put Wojo directly behind the 8 ball.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 07, 2022, 05:58:56 PM
Is Matta rested and ready?

Too busy recruiting for IU.

I think Archie Miller does make a ton of sense for Gtown. So does Dixon.

Depends on if they want retreads or not. Wouldn't be surprised to see some coaches come out of the woodwork for the Gtown job given the history there.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 08, 2022, 10:16:30 PM
Creighton barely beat Butler

Our game with Butler is not a lay up.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on February 08, 2022, 10:20:16 PM
Creighton barely beat Butler

Our game with Butler is not a lay up.

Or both games are layups.

Interested in seeing how we respond on Saturday. If they respond how I expect them to and put together a good performance, I predict a six game win streak to close the regular season.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 08, 2022, 10:46:08 PM
A truly bizarre box score line for Gillespie vs. St. John's tonight:

0 points on 0-5 shooting (0-3 from 3), 0 assists, 4 fouls ... and 10 rebounds (all defensive) in 25 minutes.

First time he's gone scoreless since 3/25/18, when as a freshman mostly garbage-time player he had 0 points in 2 minutes vs Texas Tech in the Elite Eight.

We coulda used him on the boards tonight!!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: romey on February 09, 2022, 08:48:42 AM
A truly bizarre box score line for Gillespie vs. St. John's tonight:

0 points on 0-5 shooting (0-3 from 3), 0 assists, 4 fouls ... and 10 rebounds (all defensive) in 25 minutes.

First time he's gone scoreless since 3/25/18, when as a freshman mostly garbage-time player he had 0 points in 2 minutes vs Texas Tech in the Elite Eight.

We coulda used him on the boards tonight!!
I know they said he was injured (leg, I believe) and was questionable to play.  Yet, he played 25 minutes.  Obviously not 100%
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 09, 2022, 08:57:15 AM
Or both games are layups.

Interested in seeing how we respond on Saturday. If they respond how I expect them to and put together a good performance, I predict a six game win streak to close the regular season.

But are they Kolek layups that run out or get blocked or a cam Jones layups with a beautiful underhand scoop that works out?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhiteTrash on February 09, 2022, 12:25:36 PM
He’s been sniffing around other jobs the last few cycles.  TCU is what it is as far as a basketball job.  He’s still only 56, so he’s not too old.  He has experience in the league, sort of.  I’m just not sure what Georgetown’s vision is.

I’d throw out Sean Miller or Chris Mack but I’m not sure those are the type of reclamation projects they’d want
Dixon is a TCU alum which is why he left a top 25 Pitt job(at the time) for Fort Worth. I believe TCU is paying him top 20 salary and TCU has a great campus with a lot of money. Plus the 'new' Big XII will have a top 5 Houston team joining and Cincy and BYI are decent adds to a league with Baylor and Kansas.

But I would agree that Georgetown is a better job with a great history and more upside.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 09, 2022, 01:33:19 PM
Dixon is a TCU alum which is why he left a top 25 Pitt job(at the time) for Fort Worth. I believe TCU is paying him top 20 salary and TCU has a great campus with a lot of money. Plus the 'new' Big XII will have a top 5 Houston team joining and Cincy and BYI are decent adds to a league with Baylor and Kansas.

But I would agree that Georgetown is a better job with a great history and more upside.

There were stories floating around he isn’t thrilled to be there, even as an alum
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on February 09, 2022, 02:24:16 PM
Dixon is a TCU alum which is why he left a top 25 Pitt job(at the time) for Fort Worth.

I think TCU was a bit of a soft landing spot, kind of like Shaka leaving Texas for Marquette. Dixon had gone seven straight years without making it to the second weekend and results looked decidedly worse the first few years of the ACC. Pitt fans wanted more, but I don't think they realized that Dixon, like Howland before him, probably took that program as far as it could go.

Since he left, they haven't had a winning season and have had double-digit ACC losses every year. Definitely a be careful what you wish for situation. There were some rumors he didn't like the ACC situation from the start and supposedly Marquette kicked the tires in 2014 to see if he wanted to replace Buzz. Obviously didn't go anywhere, but I could see him doing really well at a job like Georgetown. TCU is a really tough job in the toughest league in the country and he's at least been respectable. Georgetown might be a chance for Dixon to get back to the big time, something that will never happen at TCU.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 09, 2022, 02:28:35 PM
Remember that Dixon all but had a deal at UCLA back in 2019 but UCLA pulled out when they couldn't negotiate down the $8 million buy out from TCU.

TCU won't be his final stop.  He's still only 56.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on February 09, 2022, 02:34:29 PM
I can see Georgetown making a run at Anthony Grant.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: muwarrior69 on February 09, 2022, 03:15:13 PM
I can see Georgetown making a run at Anthony Grant.

 I agree; with their past history I doubt they would hire a non-minority coach and Grant has a good resume.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on February 09, 2022, 04:09:59 PM
I agree; with their past history I doubt they would hire a non-minority coach and Grant has a good resume.

His resume is...fine.  Still hasn't proven he can compete in a major conference.  He was great at VCU, failed at Bama, and he's been alright at Dayton.  He caught lightning in a bottle with Obi Toppin but has done really nothing without him.

Mike Sweetney is an assistant at Yeshiva U in NYC.  Maybe they make a run at him
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 09, 2022, 05:00:31 PM
X at The Hall should be a decent battle. 

Opportunity for DePaul to pick up another Big East Win if they can keep Georgetown winless.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 09, 2022, 06:43:00 PM
X at The Hall should be a decent battle. 

Opportunity for DePaul to pick up another Big East Win if they can keep Georgetown winless.

Do we want the Hall here?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on February 09, 2022, 06:53:43 PM
Do we want the Hall here?

Be nice for Hall to get back to top-30. From a maximizing bids perspective, Hall is also the pick. But they're still SHU, so I understand the argument for cheering against them.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 09, 2022, 06:57:33 PM
Do we want the Hall here?

Hall is on the cusp of being another Q1 win for us. And it would bring X down more for seeding.

But, if we take care of business in the final 6 like we are supposed to it really doesnt matter much
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 09, 2022, 07:02:25 PM
Hall is on the cusp of being another Q1 win for us. And it would bring X down more for seeding.

But, if we take care of business in the final 6 like we are supposed to it really doesnt matter much

Fair point. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 09, 2022, 07:16:35 PM
Seton Hall blows.  On the other hand, Xavier blows, too.

Go chaos
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: wadesworld on February 09, 2022, 07:42:52 PM
Anybody but SHU.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 09, 2022, 07:45:49 PM
Anybody but SHU.

There's that.  Boy does Willard bother me.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on February 09, 2022, 08:11:01 PM
Seton Hall goes into complete prevent mode up 6, runs zero offense and was a bail out foul away from giving up 6 straight to let Xavier tie.  Just horrific game management.  Playing not to lose and caring more about clock than scoring is my big pet peeve
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 09, 2022, 08:16:08 PM
I completely disagree with Rafferty there.  The guy got a wide open corner three.  How could he not take that one?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 09, 2022, 08:49:43 PM
Win for The Hall helps build their resume .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: jfp61 on February 09, 2022, 09:26:17 PM
Depaul is up early second half over Georgetown with 7 scholarship players playing
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 09, 2022, 09:46:22 PM
I'm wondering why Ewing is still coaching this Gtown team? 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Oldgym on February 09, 2022, 09:52:38 PM
'paul is on a 20-0 scoring run.  I expect the last time that happened was the late 70s.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 09, 2022, 09:53:20 PM
DePaul is on a 26-0 run.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on February 09, 2022, 09:55:17 PM
DePaul is on a 26-0 run.

34-2 run. Absolutely astounding
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 09, 2022, 09:58:19 PM
Happy for the Blue Demon coach. That guy has a lot of energy and good to see him romping over Georgetown .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Oldgym on February 09, 2022, 09:59:07 PM
Feeling an interim coach in the FF one week from tonight.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 09, 2022, 10:03:56 PM
34-2 run. Absolutely astounding

What exactly is the Gtown brass waiting for?  34-2?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: muwarrior69 on February 10, 2022, 09:09:34 AM
Seton Hall goes into complete prevent mode up 6, runs zero offense and was a bail out foul away from giving up 6 straight to let Xavier tie.  Just horrific game management.  Playing not to lose and caring more about clock than scoring is my big pet peeve

Agree completely. I thought X just might pullout a win. Who the heck was that kid on X who just couldn't miss. Every time he went to the basket it just went in, but then again SH wasn't playing much offense/defense the last 6 minutes of that game.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: nyg on February 10, 2022, 09:18:39 AM
Georgetown has won six total games and has lost 12 in a row.

Here are who they beat:

American
Siena
Longwood
UMBC
Syracuse
Howard

Plus they lost to Dartmouth.  Now that is really, really bad.  Maybe Mohamed wants to leave, and if so, have Shaka tell him he can replace Morsell. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillWarriors on February 10, 2022, 09:26:52 AM
Agree completely. I thought X just might pullout a win. Who the heck was that kid on X who just couldn't miss. Every time he went to the basket it just went in, but then again SH wasn't playing much offense/defense the last 6 minutes of that game.

Cesare Edwards, a frosh. Ironically he was only in because Freemantle picked up a foul and then a technical (another foul) for stupidly stepping over a SH player on the ground. The tough guy routine fouled him out with nearly 14 minutes to go. Turned out to be a blessing for X because Freemantle has been playing awful and Edwards was on a heater. It will be interesting to see what changes Steele makes, if any. Their shooters (Kunkel and Jones) are ice cold and they repeatedly dig big deficits only to scramble back into games and have them go down to the wire. X fans are definitely getting frustrated.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: 1SE on February 10, 2022, 09:44:27 AM
Georgetown has won six total games and has lost 12 in a row.

Here are who they beat:

American
Siena
Longwood
UMBC
Syracuse
Howard

Plus they lost to Dartmouth.  Now that is really, really bad.  Maybe Mohamed wants to leave, and if so, have Shaka tell him he can replace Morsell.

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Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 10, 2022, 10:03:02 AM
Freemantle was trying to earn the coveted J.P. Macura Award last night. If we are seeded #3 in the BET, I would rather see us play Xavier than Seton Hall, especially with Aiken. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 10, 2022, 11:29:45 AM
What exactly is the Gtown brass waiting for?  34-2?

My guess is that they are hoping, praying, and betting that Ewing will come to them and say "we need to talk". Despite his record, firing Ewing would be a huge PR disaster so I think GT is desperately trying to avoid pulling the trigger. By resigning, Ewing can save face. If he does, GT can make a big production about thanking Ewing for his accomplishments as a player and his efforts to bring GT back to its glory days.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on February 10, 2022, 11:31:13 AM
My guess is that they are hoping, praying, and betting that Ewing will come to them and say "we need to talk". Despite his record, firing Ewing would be a huge PR disaster so I think GT is desperately trying to avoid pulling the trigger. By resigning, Ewing can save face. If he does, GT can make a big production about thanking Ewing for his accomplishments as a player and his efforts to bring GT back to its glory days.

Firing him isn't any less a PR disaster than going winless in conference.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 10, 2022, 11:41:24 AM
Firing him isn't any less a PR disaster than going winless in conference.

Or playing in front of a few hundred fans in a high school gym.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on February 10, 2022, 11:47:13 AM
Or playing in front of a few hundred fans in a high school gym.

Exactly - The "PR disaster" narrative is just a non sensical echo chamber. The program is a dumpster fire and really has shown no signs of life for the last few years, save a fluke BE tourney run.

A change needs to be made and last night should be the nail in the coffin.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 10, 2022, 11:53:27 AM
My guess is that they are hoping, praying, and betting that Ewing will come to them and say "we need to talk". Despite his record, firing Ewing would be a huge PR disaster so I think GT is desperately trying to avoid pulling the trigger. By resigning, Ewing can save face. If he does, GT can make a big production about thanking Ewing for his accomplishments as a player and his efforts to bring GT back to its glory days.

Hard to save face when your pants are already around your ankles
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 10, 2022, 12:09:51 PM
Yeah I don't get the "PR disaster" that firing him would be.  Cause he starred for them 40 years ago?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 10, 2022, 12:15:23 PM
Yeah I don't get the "PR disaster" that firing him would be.  Cause he starred for them 40 years ago?

 yeah sort of. You don't think firing him wouldn't alienate Alonzo Mourning? Dikembe Mutombo? Maybe even AI? I mean if MU fired Wade I'd imagine that itd be a PR disaster and I'd imagine it'd alienate Deiner and Novak perhaps even the next group of greats that looked up to him. All of whom are important for coming back and taking pictures so wealthy alumni can swoon, get drunk and make donations.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 10, 2022, 12:20:31 PM
yeah sort of. You don't think firing him wouldn't alienate Alonzo Mourning? Dikembe Mutombo? Maybe even AI?


It might.  But I think you are way overstating the importance of these relationships.  Because you know what would matter more to the fanbase and those former players?  Winning.  And they aint doing that with Ewing.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on February 10, 2022, 12:28:03 PM
yeah sort of. You don't think firing him wouldn't alienate Alonzo Mourning? Dikembe Mutombo? Maybe even AI? I mean if MU fired Wade I'd imagine that itd be a PR disaster and I'd imagine it'd alienate Deiner and Novak perhaps even the next group of greats that looked up to him. All of whom are important for coming back and taking pictures so wealthy alumni can swoon, get drunk and make donations.

Winning heals all. This is similar thinking to holding on to a coach because you don't want to lose a couple players/recruits.

If Georgetown cares about their basketball program, they'll move on from Ewing without much consideration.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillAWarrior on February 10, 2022, 12:33:25 PM
I think the PR disaster angle presupposes all of the other PR disasters (e.g., winless BE season, playing in front of a couple hundred fans at McDonough, DePaul going on a 34-2 run) and hopes to not add to those by firing Ewing. Those things have already happened (or may happen). There's no way to un-ring those bells. I agree with Scoop Snoop that Georgetown is probably praying that Ewing will just step away so they won't have to fire him. I don't think Ewing is an idiot and I'd have to think he will step down. I'm sure he's well aware of the situation that Georgetown is in and if he still has affection for this alma mater he'll do the right thing.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on February 10, 2022, 12:40:46 PM
Georgetown stayed committed to the JT tree.  Time to move on.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 10, 2022, 12:44:41 PM
He's still their hero, even 40 years later, and the face of their glory years. There is clearly every reason to fire him immediately, but at a school that allowed Big John to have so much influence over the program, there may well be resistance to firing the last link. I'm not questioning for one second that he needs to go, and the sooner the better. I'm simply saying I think that his leaving will end up being carefully choreographed to convey the impression that he decided that, for the good of his beloved Georgetown, he is graciously resigning to pave the way for their next coach. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: nyg on February 10, 2022, 01:34:28 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/its-time-patrick-ewing-needs-to-step-down-to-save-georgetown-basketball/ar-AATHRlx?li=BBnbfcL

Good article telling Ewing its time....
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 10, 2022, 02:07:34 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/its-time-patrick-ewing-needs-to-step-down-to-save-georgetown-basketball/ar-AATHRlx?li=BBnbfcL

Good article telling Ewing its time....

While I took heat here for writing "PR disaster", I suspect many of my critics would accept the tamer line near the end of the article "a dismissal could get ugly". The title says it all and challenges Ewing to do the right thing.

This is an exceptionally well written and very thorough piece. Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on February 10, 2022, 02:10:55 PM
While I took heat here for writing "PR disaster", I suspect many of my critics would accept the tamer line near the end of the article "a dismissal could get ugly". The title says it all and challenges Ewing to do the right thing.

This is an exceptionally well written piece. Thanks for posting.

I'm not quite sure why it would get ugly? Are you saying all of the prominent supporters of Patrick Ewing don't care he's firmly entrenched the program in the BE basement?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on February 10, 2022, 02:20:35 PM
They got into it on the Field of 68 After Dark as to why it would be really difficult to fire Ewing. He's basically the guy that built that program. Yes, it was Big John, but Ewing has been the face of Georgetown for the past 40 years. It would also potentially alienate all of Big John's players, from Mourning to Mutombo to Iverson. A lot of donors are tied up in the history as well. The impression I get is that it's not one of those situations where we can really relate from the outside as to how difficult that firing would be. Probably the closest would be if we had to fire Doc Rivers, but I'm not sure that's even on par because Doc wasn't here as long and didn't reach the heights Ewing did as a player and face of the program.

I think their best case scenario is to have a talk with Ewing and convince him to resign because it's just not working. If he doesn't go for it, try changing up the staff and give it one more year, but it does look doomed.

I've been wondering who they would go for if Ewing left. It has to be a black coach, and unfortunately for Georgetown I don't think they get Cooley (he might leave, but not to an in-league opponent) or Smart (would've been perfect with DMV roots). If it came open, I do think they would have a number of candidates, but they certainly can't afford another Craig Esherick type hire.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Nukem2 on February 10, 2022, 02:24:49 PM
Rather think that they will craft an amicable departure for Ewing. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on February 10, 2022, 02:29:54 PM
They got into it on the Field of 68 After Dark as to why it would be really difficult to fire Ewing. He's basically the guy that built that program. Yes, it was Big John, but Ewing has been the face of Georgetown for the past 40 years. It would also potentially alienate all of Big John's players, from Mourning to Mutombo to Iverson. A lot of donors are tied up in the history as well. The impression I get is that it's not one of those situations where we can really relate from the outside as to how difficult that firing would be. Probably the closest would be if we had to fire Doc Rivers, but I'm not sure that's even on par because Doc wasn't here as long and didn't reach the heights Ewing did as a player and face of the program.

I think their best case scenario is to have a talk with Ewing and convince him to resign because it's just not working. If he doesn't go for it, try changing up the staff and give it one more year, but it does look doomed.

I've been wondering who they would go for if Ewing left. It has to be a black coach, and unfortunately for Georgetown I don't think they get Cooley (he might leave, but not to an in-league opponent) or Smart (would've been perfect with DMV roots). If it came open, I do think they would have a number of candidates, but they certainly can't afford another Craig Esherick type hire.

Getting caught up in the history of the program is what has run Georgetown into the ground. For Georgetown's sake, one would hope they administration can see through the weeds on this one.

Kim English is a name that makes sense - Risky, but checks several boxes.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: LAZER on February 10, 2022, 02:59:24 PM
They got into it on the Field of 68 After Dark as to why it would be really difficult to fire Ewing. He's basically the guy that built that program. Yes, it was Big John, but Ewing has been the face of Georgetown for the past 40 years. It would also potentially alienate all of Big John's players, from Mourning to Mutombo to Iverson. A lot of donors are tied up in the history as well. The impression I get is that it's not one of those situations where we can really relate from the outside as to how difficult that firing would be. Probably the closest would be if we had to fire Doc Rivers, but I'm not sure that's even on par because Doc wasn't here as long and didn't reach the heights Ewing did as a player and face of the program.

I think their best case scenario is to have a talk with Ewing and convince him to resign because it's just not working. If he doesn't go for it, try changing up the staff and give it one more year, but it does look doomed.

I've been wondering who they would go for if Ewing left. It has to be a black coach, and unfortunately for Georgetown I don't think they get Cooley (he might leave, but not to an in-league opponent) or Smart (would've been perfect with DMV roots). If it came open, I do think they would have a number of candidates, but they certainly can't afford another Craig Esherick type hire.
Why does it have to be a black coach?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 10, 2022, 03:03:40 PM
They got into it on the Field of 68 After Dark as to why it would be really difficult to fire Ewing. He's basically the guy that built that program. Yes, it was Big John, but Ewing has been the face of Georgetown for the past 40 years. It would also potentially alienate all of Big John's players, from Mourning to Mutombo to Iverson. A lot of donors are tied up in the history as well. The impression I get is that it's not one of those situations where we can really relate from the outside as to how difficult that firing would be. Probably the closest would be if we had to fire Doc Rivers, but I'm not sure that's even on par because Doc wasn't here as long and didn't reach the heights Ewing did as a player and face of the program.

I think their best case scenario is to have a talk with Ewing and convince him to resign because it's just not working. If he doesn't go for it, try changing up the staff and give it one more year, but it does look doomed.

I've been wondering who they would go for if Ewing left. It has to be a black coach, and unfortunately for Georgetown I don't think they get Cooley (he might leave, but not to an in-league opponent) or Smart (would've been perfect with DMV roots). If it came open, I do think they would have a number of candidates, but they certainly can't afford another Craig Esherick type hire.

Bo Ellis probably a better comp. Nowhere near the pro pedigree only player we have on that level is Wade but in terms of program contribution it'd be like firing Bo Ellis.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillAWarrior on February 10, 2022, 03:08:47 PM
I've been wondering who they would go for if Ewing left. It has to be a black coach, and unfortunately for Georgetown I don't think they get Cooley (he might leave, but not to an in-league opponent) or Smart (would've been perfect with DMV roots). If it came open, I do think they would have a number of candidates, but they certainly can't afford another Craig Esherick type hire.

I laughed a few days ago when someone posted a list of coaches Georgetown might consider. I don't recall who all was on there (Dixon and some others), but it seemed that only Dennis Gates would have met what I'm sure will be one of Georgetown's key criteria. This is not a criticism of Georgetown, but I'd be absolutely stunned if they did not hire a black coach.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: LAZER on February 10, 2022, 03:10:16 PM
Getting caught up in the history of the program is what has run Georgetown into the ground. For Georgetown's sake, one would hope they administration can see through the weeds on this one.

Kim English is a name that makes sense - Risky, but checks several boxes.
Interesting name and might be the type of guy that can bring some energy to the program, but I think that's too risky for Georgetown.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 10, 2022, 03:14:49 PM
I'm not quite sure why it would get ugly? Are you saying all of the prominent supporters of Patrick Ewing don't care he's firmly entrenched the program in the BE basement?

Oh, they care- a lot!. I think they want Ewing to have time to decide how to exit-especially how he phrases it. If he waits too long, he will be fired. The ugliness part is that the guy is part of GT's identity. We have a statue of Al and GT has a statue of Big John. GT needs to move beyond the Thompson(s)-Ewing era, but a firing-no matter how crystal clear the need to get rid of him is-will be twisted by some dyed-in-the-wool GT fans as something that somehow coulda/shoulda/woulda been avoided if if if. 

Edit- I really think this entire discussion will be moot before long. If Ewing has not read the article (and others like it) by now, he will very soon. He knows, and a well written article may be just enough to nudge him to act. 





Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on February 10, 2022, 03:14:59 PM
Even Bob Dukiet didn't go winless in conference. When your coach is underperforming Piano Bob...
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on February 10, 2022, 03:29:07 PM
Oh, they care- a lot!. I think they want Ewing to have time to decide how to exit-especially how he phrases it. If he waits too long, he will be fired. The ugliness part is that the guy is part of GT's identity. We have a statue of Al and GT has a statue of Big John. GT needs to move beyond the Thompson(s)-Ewing era, but a firing-no matter how crystal clear the need to get rid of him is-will be twisted by some dyed-in-the-wool GT fans as something that somehow coulda/shoulda/woulda been avoided if if if. 

Edit- I really think this entire discussion will be moot before long. If Ewing has not read the article (and others like it) by now, he will very soon. He knows, and a well written article may be just enough to nudge him to act.

IDK - Purely my opinion, but that narrative seems more editorial jargon than reality. I don’t see any scenario where he is the head coach next year.

Then again, if they’re worried about offending alumni by firing a complete failure of a head coach who is driving their program into the ground, it’s better for us !
 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Equalizer on February 10, 2022, 03:45:34 PM
yeah sort of. You don't think firing him wouldn't alienate Alonzo Mourning? Dikembe Mutombo? Maybe even AI? I mean if MU fired Wade I'd imagine that itd be a PR disaster and I'd imagine it'd alienate Deiner and Novak perhaps even the next group of greats that looked up to him. All of whom are important for coming back and taking pictures so wealthy alumni can swoon, get drunk and make donations.

The difference here is that Diener and Novak were teammates of Wade on MU"s 2003 Final Four team. 

If you asked me whether it would alienate Wes Matthews, Jimmy Butler, or Jae Crowder if MU fired Wade in your above scenario, I would say no, they could care less.



Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on February 10, 2022, 03:52:46 PM
Pull the plug, start over, and stop living so far in the past.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Equalizer on February 10, 2022, 04:11:30 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/its-time-patrick-ewing-needs-to-step-down-to-save-georgetown-basketball/ar-AATHRlx?li=BBnbfcL

Good article telling Ewing its time....

There's a perspective that's missing from the article, and that's the question of whether anyone currently at Georgetown cares about Georgetown basketball. 

I don't think the issue behind the current lack of interest in Georgetown is simply too few wins.

My perception is that over the last 40 years, the student body has slowly transitioned from students happy for a traditional college experience (and excited over a top-level basketball program) into a pre-professional development program for those looking to change the world through government, associations, and NGOs.  And for that type of student, there is far too much relevant experience to be gained in DC and doesn't leave time to get all that into the basketball program.

I think it's that the type of student that represents Georgetown today simply doesn't care about athletics.  For too many students, when it comes down to whether you want to head to watch the Hoyas take on Providence or Creighton, or go listen to a speech from some climate activist on how to mobilize global action, the speech is going to win out every single time.

Can Georgetown (the basketball program) succeed in an environment where their primary audience is no longer primarily Georgetown University students? It's a challenging problem when your audience consists of the GU equivalent of sweater vests, reliving 30 and 40-year-old successes and casual basketball fans with no connection to the academic side of the organization.

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 10, 2022, 04:32:22 PM
Rather think that they will craft an amicable departure for Ewing.

You mean like when Coach K misses half a season when they're bad?  8-)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 10, 2022, 04:37:03 PM
There's a perspective that's missing from the article, and that's the question of whether anyone currently at Georgetown cares about Georgetown basketball. 

I don't think the issue behind the current lack of interest in Georgetown is simply too few wins.

My perception is that over the last 40 years, the student body has slowly transitioned from students happy for a traditional college experience (and excited over a top-level basketball program) into a pre-professional development program for those looking to change the world through government, associations, and NGOs.  And for that type of student, there is far too much relevant experience to be gained in DC and doesn't leave time to get all that into the basketball program.

I think it's that the type of student that represents Georgetown today simply doesn't care about athletics.  For too many students, when it comes down to whether you want to head to watch the Hoyas take on Providence or Creighton, or go listen to a speech from some climate activist on how to mobilize global action, the speech is going to win out every single time.

Can Georgetown (the basketball program) succeed in an environment where their primary audience is no longer primarily Georgetown University students? It's a challenging problem when your audience consists of the GU equivalent of sweater vests, reliving 30 and 40-year-old successes and casual basketball fans with no connection to the academic side of the organization.

Uh, what?  Georgetown is probably the biggest sleeping giant on the East Coast. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on February 10, 2022, 07:33:30 PM
So...promote Ewing to "Athletic Director of Men's Basketball" at GTown?  Give him the rest of his contract there and let him help pick the new coach.  "Retire" after a few years.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on February 10, 2022, 08:10:37 PM

Can Georgetown (the basketball program) succeed in an environment where their primary audience is no longer primarily Georgetown University students? It's a challenging problem when your audience consists of the GU equivalent of sweater vests, reliving 30 and 40-year-old successes and casual basketball fans with no connection to the academic side of the organization.

(https://fanatics.frgimages.com/FFImage/thumb.aspx?i=/productimages/_3144000/ff_3144742_full.jpg&w=900)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on February 10, 2022, 08:20:48 PM
There's a perspective that's missing from the article, and that's the question of whether anyone currently at Georgetown cares about Georgetown basketball. 

I don't think the issue behind the current lack of interest in Georgetown is simply too few wins.

My perception is that over the last 40 years, the student body has slowly transitioned from students happy for a traditional college experience (and excited over a top-level basketball program) into a pre-professional development program for those looking to change the world through government, associations, and NGOs.  And for that type of student, there is far too much relevant experience to be gained in DC and doesn't leave time to get all that into the basketball program.

I think it's that the type of student that represents Georgetown today simply doesn't care about athletics.  For too many students, when it comes down to whether you want to head to watch the Hoyas take on Providence or Creighton, or go listen to a speech from some climate activist on how to mobilize global action, the speech is going to win out every single time.

Can Georgetown (the basketball program) succeed in an environment where their primary audience is no longer primarily Georgetown University students? It's a challenging problem when your audience consists of the GU equivalent of sweater vests, reliving 30 and 40-year-old successes and casual basketball fans with no connection to the academic side of the organization.

With all due respect, this is lunacy.  I know a handful of 22-35 year old alums and most of them care greatly.  One is a buddy of mine who specifically transferred to Georgetown as a Junior to be closer to DC politics and worked basically full time as an aide for Congressman while going to school.  He’s a hotshot lobbyist and jetsets but still goes to 7-8 games a year.  Another works for an NGO in Europe and still would tweet/post angrily about Ewing up until this year.

Has Georgetown as a college changed? Yea probably.  But it’s still one of the biggest brands in college basketball with tons of prestige and still a major part of Georgetown’s identity. Especially for undergrads
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 10, 2022, 08:26:18 PM
There's a perspective that's missing from the article, and that's the question of whether anyone currently at Georgetown cares about Georgetown basketball. 

I don't think the issue behind the current lack of interest in Georgetown is simply too few wins.

My perception is that over the last 40 years, the student body has slowly transitioned from students happy for a traditional college experience (and excited over a top-level basketball program) into a pre-professional development program for those looking to change the world through government, associations, and NGOs.  And for that type of student, there is far too much relevant experience to be gained in DC and doesn't leave time to get all that into the basketball program.

I think it's that the type of student that represents Georgetown today simply doesn't care about athletics.  For too many students, when it comes down to whether you want to head to watch the Hoyas take on Providence or Creighton, or go listen to a speech from some climate activist on how to mobilize global action, the speech is going to win out every single time.

Can Georgetown (the basketball program) succeed in an environment where their primary audience is no longer primarily Georgetown University students? It's a challenging problem when your audience consists of the GU equivalent of sweater vests, reliving 30 and 40-year-old successes and casual basketball fans with no connection to the academic side of the organization.


The basketball program doesn’t stink because the students don’t care.

The students don’t care because the basketball program stinks.

Don’t make this more complicated than it is.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Pakuni on February 10, 2022, 08:41:44 PM
There's a perspective that's missing from the article, and that's the question of whether anyone currently at Georgetown cares about Georgetown basketball. 

I don't think the issue behind the current lack of interest in Georgetown is simply too few wins.

My perception is that over the last 40 years, the student body has slowly transitioned from students happy for a traditional college experience (and excited over a top-level basketball program) into a pre-professional development program for those looking to change the world through government, associations, and NGOs.  And for that type of student, there is far too much relevant experience to be gained in DC and doesn't leave time to get all that into the basketball program.

I think it's that the type of student that represents Georgetown today simply doesn't care about athletics.  For too many students, when it comes down to whether you want to head to watch the Hoyas take on Providence or Creighton, or go listen to a speech from some climate activist on how to mobilize global action, the speech is going to win out every single time.

From where do you derive any of this?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 10, 2022, 08:44:00 PM
Let's hear from Casual Hoya...

https://www.casualhoya.com/2022/2/10/22927182/patrick-ewing-head-coach-georgetown-hoyas-step-down
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillAWarrior on February 10, 2022, 08:44:58 PM

The basketball program doesn’t stink because the students don’t care.

The students don’t care because the basketball program stinks.

This. When my daughter started in ‘17 she was really into it and went to a bunch of games that year. By her senior year (and now) she had lost all interest.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on February 10, 2022, 08:52:00 PM
My perception is that over the last 40 years, the student body has slowly transitioned from students happy for a traditional college experience (and excited over a top-level basketball program) into a pre-professional development program for those looking to change the world through government, associations, and NGOs.  And for that type of student, there is far too much relevant experience to be gained in DC and doesn't leave time to get all that into the basketball program.

Not buying it. It's closest admissions peer is Duke--how's that pre-professional student body doing with athletics?

Give people a good product and students will respond. Georgetown students ringed the soccer field three deep for NCAA playoff games this fall and helped charter buses to Cary, NC for the semifinals. Could they do better? Sure. Football is under-supported and women's basketball is only a rumor to most students. Baseball? Forget it.

(https://www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/images/soccer_400.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 10, 2022, 08:52:56 PM
I thought I read somewhere that attendance at Georgetown football and soccer games has been going up while basketball attendance has been declining. If true, that would go against the idea that Georgetown students don't care about athletics anymore.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: LloydsLegs on February 10, 2022, 09:41:36 PM

The basketball program doesn’t stink because the students don’t care.

The students don’t care because the basketball program stinks.

Don’t make this more complicated than it is.

Nailed it.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 11, 2022, 08:23:38 PM
I pounded X tonight.


Similar to Uconn against us. This was one they really needed to stop the bleeding.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 11, 2022, 08:47:19 PM
I thought I read somewhere that attendance at Georgetown football and soccer games has been going up while basketball attendance has been declining. If true, that would go against the idea that Georgetown students don't care about athletics anymore.

Football and soccer are played outdoors, providing students with an ideal backdrop to discuss climate change.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: zcg2013 on February 11, 2022, 08:56:33 PM
Uconn had two technical fouls with under 5 minutes in the game. One on Hurley (what a shocker) and one on Jackson for hitting the ball too high in the air after he didn't agree with a call.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Ardmore Mug on February 11, 2022, 11:01:26 PM
From ESPN:

HURLEY HOT

The Huskies' head coach wasn't pleased with a few calls in the first half that led to early foul trouble for his team. Late in the second half, Hurley and Huskies guard Andre Jackson received technical fouls less than a minute apart.

"I see a lot of coaches in the ear of the officials, and I didn't think there was anything there that warranted a technical," Hurley said. "So I will be calling up our head of officials, because I want an explanation on that."
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on February 11, 2022, 11:03:28 PM
Doosh
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 11, 2022, 11:17:00 PM
Solid win for X over U Conn.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on February 11, 2022, 11:52:01 PM
I pounded X tonight.

This here is a PG site.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 12, 2022, 07:05:01 AM
Kudos to Xavier for providing a blueprint on how to handle UCONN. If we meet them in the BET, I hope we can draw fouls like X did. The 2 technicals made me laugh. So stupid! We need to run the table+ UCONN needs to lose one more game for us to secure the three seed for the BET. They have 3 upcoming home games vs. teams that can handle them- Nova, X and SH. I know that there are other possibilities (2 UCONN losses + 1 MU loss e.g.) but I think the one I show here is the most likely path to our being the 3 seed.

 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on February 12, 2022, 07:34:53 AM
Well if the blueprint is getting their best two players in foul trouble all night, it's a tough one to duplicate.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 12, 2022, 07:35:48 AM
Well if the blueprint is getting their best two players in foul trouble all night, it's a tough one to duplicate.

Especially when you don't have a lot of slashers to draw fouls.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 12, 2022, 07:44:04 AM
Well if the blueprint is getting their best two players in foul trouble all night, it's a tough one to duplicate.

True, but it helps. Xavier found the cracks in UCONN's defense, leading to success in the paint. They also outrebounded them.  And yeah, some of that was due to Cole and Sanogo sitting on the bench. No question.

Let's hope that at least one of UCONN's upcoming opponents can achieve similar results so we can perhaps secure the 3 seed. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 12, 2022, 08:37:03 AM
Big game today for Creighton today against Georgetown. They can not afford to let their guard down.

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2022, 09:25:52 AM
Big game today for Creighton today against Georgetown. They can not afford to let their guard down.

Georgetown is 291st in effective fg%.  Creighton can probably guard poorly and still win
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 12, 2022, 12:04:36 PM
Both Lavin and Casey Jacobson picked The Hall over Nova today. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 12, 2022, 12:42:26 PM
Georgetown is seriously a dumpster fire.  I'm not sure they're better than more than 25 teams in the country. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhiteTrash on February 12, 2022, 12:55:08 PM
Georgetown is seriously a dumpster fire.  I'm not sure they're better than more than 25 teams in the country.
The players have checked out this year. I suppose I can't blame them, they did not go to Georgetown for this.

It's too bad because I find Ewing to be a smart and nice guy. They have had flashes but as a whole it's not working. It happens. Wojo was total class and had great kids but coaching was not BE level.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on February 12, 2022, 01:11:54 PM
Every game goes to script. Down one late in the first half, Georgetown shot 30 percent after halftime, 2-15 from three.

When you get dominated inside from Ryan Kalkbrenner, that says something.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 12, 2022, 01:19:19 PM
Good ending to come for Hall-Nova - aka the We Both Lost Twice To Marquette Bowl.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on February 12, 2022, 01:31:30 PM
Announced attendance for the Creighton game: 5,813 (28 percent capacity). Second largest home attendance for Georgetown in Big East play this season.

Hoyas have three road games in five days next week before a mid-week home game with DePaul.  Take the under on that crowd.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 12, 2022, 01:32:02 PM
Good ending to come for Hall-Nova - aka the We Both Lost Twice To Marquette Bowl.

A nice lead in before Joey Hauser time.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 12, 2022, 01:54:38 PM
Heck of a game in Philly.  Remember, MU beat Nova twice when they were at full strength.  Gillespie isn't right.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on February 12, 2022, 02:10:28 PM
Nova has missed 3 FTs ALL YEAR at Wells Fargo.  That’s insane.  But…#FTsNoMatta
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 12, 2022, 02:15:53 PM
Nova has missed 3 FTs ALL YEAR at Wells Fargo.  That’s insane.  But…#FTsNoMatta

That's incredible. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 12, 2022, 02:18:35 PM
I’m prepared to be attacked by the board on this one but I think Wojo would be a home run hire for GTown.

East coast guy from Baltimore with east coast ties at Duke. Clean and easy to respect. Good recruiter. Knows the BE well and now has experience. Had enough success, but most importantly failure and knows what it’s like to not be wanted (much like our very own Shaka at Texas).

He would step in and want to badly bring GTown back to its glory days. He would want the admiration and respect of the alums and GTown nation.
He would clearly need to hire a defensive minded assistant and hand over the keys of that side of the ball, maybe someone inside the GTown family circle to energize the fanbase.

I think it would be a successful hire for Georgetown, and would be a lot of fun for Marquette fans.
I sign off on the move.





Let me guess. You're a Marquette Dental School grad, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on February 12, 2022, 02:56:23 PM




Let me guess. You're a Marquette Dental School grad, aina?

Decent guess, I must wear it on my sleeve
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Badgerhater on February 12, 2022, 03:00:50 PM
I’m prepared to be attacked by the board on this one but I think Wojo would be a home run hire for GTown.

East coast guy from Baltimore with east coast ties at Duke. Clean and easy to respect. Good recruiter. Knows the BE well and now has experience. Had enough success, but most importantly failure and knows what it’s like to not be wanted (much like our very own Shaka at Texas).

He would step in and want to badly bring GTown back to its glory days. He would want the admiration and respect of the alums and GTown nation.
He would clearly need to hire a defensive minded assistant and hand over the keys of that side of the ball, maybe someone inside the GTown family circle to energize the fanbase.

I think it would be a successful hire for Georgetown, and would be a lot of fun for Marquette fans.
I sign off on the move.

Hope they don’t have drug tests where you work! 😂

If they are truly serious they will go out and get an established someone that really makes a splash, like MU did last summer.  They have the attributes to draw someone like that

A loser coach who can’t manage players like Wojo…never.

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Its DJOver on February 12, 2022, 03:06:37 PM
Lets not let our emotions run too wild. Gtown can do both better and worse than Wojo. Can he return them to their glory days? No. Is he an upgrade over Ewing? Absolutely. TBH, if both MU and Gtown had been open at the same time, Wojo probably would have been more interested in Gtown.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2022, 03:20:02 PM
Lets not let our emotions run too wild. Gtown can do both better and worse than Wojo. Can he return them to their glory days? No. Is he an upgrade over Ewing? Absolutely. TBH, if both MU and Gtown had been open at the same time, Wojo probably would have been more interested in Gtown.

Won’t matter.  He won’t be considered unless they get turned down by 150 others
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 12, 2022, 03:57:45 PM
Solid win for Creighton. Dodged a bullet by beating Georgetown. Now they have to play hard against the Hoyas again in Omaha on Monday.

Nice to see Nova keep up their winning ways. We want those two wins over  The Wildcats to look good come selection Sunday. The Hall was respectable in the loss so doesn’t hurt them much.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2022, 03:58:24 PM
Solid win for Creighton. Dodged a bullet by beating Georgetown. Now they have to play hard against the Hoyas again in Omaha on Monday.

Nice to see Nova keep up their winning ways. We want those two wins over  The Wildcats to look good come selection Sunday. The Hall was respectable in the loss so doesn’t hurt them much.

How did Creighton dodge a bullet? 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 12, 2022, 03:59:47 PM
How did Creighton dodge a bullet?
They avoided a loss to a bad team .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2022, 04:04:00 PM
They avoided a loss to a bad team .

You make it sound like it was in doubt
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 12, 2022, 05:38:56 PM
You make it sound like it was in doubt
MU got hit by a bullet
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2022, 05:39:49 PM
MU got hit by a bullet

Creighton won easily. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 12, 2022, 05:56:53 PM
Creighton won easily.
Exactly they dodged the bullet
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2022, 05:59:29 PM
Exactly they dodged the bullet

Sure, if Georgetown was leading ever in the second half.  They weren’t
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on February 12, 2022, 06:05:44 PM
Kinda want to see the carnage of opinions if DePaul beats Providence on the road tonight. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Shark on February 12, 2022, 06:08:22 PM
Kinda want to see the carnage of opinions if DePaul beats Providence on the road tonight.

Providence isn’t very good
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2022, 06:08:46 PM
Providence isn’t very good

Chef’s kisses
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on February 12, 2022, 06:10:08 PM
Providence isn’t very good

Is Providence a top 10-15 team?  Probably not.  To say they're not "very good" is dumb. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Shark on February 12, 2022, 06:10:44 PM
Chef’s kisses

What? They could be 2 point favorites as a 3 seed. They are what they are.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2022, 06:17:23 PM
What? They could be 2 point favorites as a 3 seed. They are what they are.

Doesn’t mean they aren’t good.  Doesn’t mean DePaul is better than them.  Providence is a 9-pt favorite via KenPom tonight.  If Marquette losing on the road to Butler means doom and gloom, Providence fans should probably send Cooley to the moon, right?  Or maybe things happen in sports
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on February 12, 2022, 06:20:10 PM
Doesn’t mean they aren’t good.  Doesn’t mean DePaul is better than them.  Providence is a 9-pt favorite via KenPom tonight.  If Marquette losing on the road to Butler means doom and gloom, Providence fans should probably send Cooley to the moon, right?  Or maybe things happen in sports

Stop it.  The insanity only applies to Marquette. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Shark on February 12, 2022, 06:21:14 PM
I think MU is much better and I expect better. Providence is a fraud and if they lose I wouldn’t be surprised
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 12, 2022, 06:43:55 PM
Has the sleeping giant awakened in Chicago? Lots of game left but DePaul is playing with confidence.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2022, 06:44:25 PM
Has the sleeping giant awakened in Chicago? Lots of game left but DePaul is playing with confidence.

Nah, Providence isn’t good
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 12, 2022, 06:49:33 PM
Nah, Providence isn’t good

They're not as good as their ranking.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2022, 06:52:08 PM
They're not as good as their ranking.

Yeah, they’re terrible. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 12, 2022, 06:52:32 PM
Cooley & Company on the ropes versus DePaul
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 12, 2022, 06:54:51 PM
Yeah, they’re terrible.

They're 20-2 but "terrible"?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2022, 06:56:24 PM
They're 20-2 but "terrible"?

Yeah.  Anyone that loses at home to DePaul is terrible.  You shouldn’t have any expectations for Providence
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 12, 2022, 07:01:20 PM
This game is far from over but DePaul will be a much better team in the Marquette rematch. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 12, 2022, 07:07:31 PM
Apparently they don't call moving screens on Providence.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 12, 2022, 07:51:15 PM
Dont get me wrong its impressive as hell that Providence wins every single close game(and they play in a lot).

But if they dont lose one soon, im going on record that they will be so overdue for one that whether its BET or NCaa tourney. They lose the first nailbiter they play.

Law of averages going to come.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on February 12, 2022, 07:54:36 PM
David Jones is a daydream believer today.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on February 12, 2022, 07:54:55 PM
fraud team. worst regular season big east champs ever
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 12, 2022, 07:55:36 PM
Jones on DePaul has a huge upside.  I wouldn't be surprised if he makes an NBA roster. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2022, 07:57:27 PM
Dont get me wrong its impressive as hell that Providence wins every single close game(and they play in a lot).

But if they dont lose one soon, im going on record that they will be so overdue for one that whether its BET or NCaa tourney. They lose the first nailbiter they play.

Law of averages going to come.

I agree with this analysis but if I’m a Friars fan, I’m enjoying the hell out of this season
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on February 12, 2022, 08:00:32 PM
DePaul gonna be tough. Jalen Terry has been playing great. They may be stronger without the BE leading scorer.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: dad's couch on February 12, 2022, 08:17:53 PM
Help me out. I can't find the margin of victory in the standings. I can find wins, losses and winning pct. But nothing about win margin. Why is that?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 12, 2022, 08:21:31 PM
That’s dodging a bullet
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on February 12, 2022, 08:21:39 PM
Help me out. I can't find the margin of victory in the standings. I can find wins, losses and winning pct. But nothing about win margin. Why is that?

Because you aren't looking at the standings that matter.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 12, 2022, 08:29:00 PM
That’s dodging a bullet
Cooley & Company dig deep to dodge that bullet. Well done .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 13, 2022, 12:28:43 PM
There has been a lot of talk, including on Scoop, of LaVall Jordan's shortcomings and of him perhaps coaching his final season at Butler.

I don't follow their program very closely, so all of that might be true. However, if you didn't know any of that and watched yesterday's game, you might have thought:

"Butler was the more aggressive, more prepared-looking team. They had absolutely no problem with Marquette's pressure defense. They had an answer every time Marquette rallied. They didn't let Marquette do what Marquette wanted to do on either end of the court. If a guy who was shooting 25% from 3-point range didn't surprisingly hit four straight desperation 3s for Marquette, Butler would have won going away. Butler looked like a pretty well-coached team."
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on February 13, 2022, 01:14:24 PM
Hurley chooses to not foul up 3.  Stayed home, walled up.  SJU bricked.  UConn wins 63-60.   Beating up SJU on the offensive boards.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 13, 2022, 01:21:17 PM
St John's is a terrible free throw shooting team and the strategy to foul would have been just as effective.  They played it out and the defense was suffocating that last 12 seconds.  I did not think a foul should have been called late in the game against St John's on what appeared to be a Cole travelling violation.  The Johnnies should have had the ball down one with 12 seconds left.  It's a shame Big East officiating couldn't get out of its own way once again. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on February 13, 2022, 01:46:53 PM
I did not think a foul should have been called late in the game against St John's on what appeared to be a Cole travelling violation.  The Johnnies should have had the ball down one with 12 seconds left.  It's a shame Big East officiating couldn't get out of its own way once again.

It was a pretty clear reach-in on the replay prior to Cole falling down/travelling.  Now, perhaps you saw that and thought the foul still shouldn't have been called, but it was a foul.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 13, 2022, 01:48:05 PM
St John's is a terrible free throw shooting team and the strategy to foul would have been just as effective.  They played it out and the defense was suffocating that last 12 seconds.  I did not think a foul should have been called late in the game against St John's on what appeared to be a Cole travelling violation.  The Johnnies should have had the ball down one with 12 seconds left.  It's a shame Big East officiating couldn't get out of its own way once again.

Either would have worked just fine. Obviously, UConn played tremendous defense there. It helped to have a veteran team; also helped that St. John's didn't have any time-outs left to discuss strategy.

One thing for sure ... if St. John's had hit a miracle 3, Hurley would have been ripped. Fouling up 3 is the "safe" decision as far as scrutiny goes, so from that alone I'm a little surprised by the number of coaches who don't do it.

I did think Cole was fouled, as the defender had both hands on him. So we'll agree to disagree there.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 13, 2022, 01:57:37 PM
We definitely saw the end of the St John's/UConn game differently.  I did not agree with the foul call at the end and neither did any of the guys in studio after the game.  Purdue just fouled up three with 8.1 seconds left and Maryland hit a pair of free throws to close back within one.  It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the waning seconds. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 13, 2022, 02:00:40 PM
Wow - Purdue fouls up three with 8.1 seconds on the clock, Maryland hits both free throws and then Purdue turns the ball over on the inbounds play.  Maryland has a shot to pull of an upset and gets blocked at the rim.  What a finish.  The strategy to foul up three nearly proves disastrous for the Boilermakers. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 13, 2022, 02:01:46 PM
St. John’s kicking away their NIT hopes
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 13, 2022, 03:12:03 PM
Solid win for U Conn

Big East Conference needs its leadership teams to win these kind of games
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Newsdreams on February 13, 2022, 06:49:44 PM
Solid win for U Conn

Big East Conference needs its leadership teams to win these kind of games
No, bad for our BET seeding.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 13, 2022, 07:03:05 PM
There’s no way a UConn win was good for MU, but it shouldn’t matter if this team takes care of its own business the rest of the way!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on February 13, 2022, 07:03:15 PM
No, bad for our BET seeding.

Agree with this. I don't care what our regular season record ends up being. I just want us a top 5 seed in the BET.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Ardmore Mug on February 13, 2022, 07:46:51 PM
Just take care of our business, WIN ! ! !  8-)  Can't depend on other teams to take care of our business ! ! !
GO WARRIORS !!! 8-)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on February 13, 2022, 09:41:32 PM
Won’t matter.  He won’t be considered unless they get turned down by 150 others
So you're saying I have a chance?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: drewm88 on February 14, 2022, 09:33:08 AM
Hurley chooses to not foul up 3.  Stayed home, walled up.  SJU bricked.  UConn wins 63-60.   Beating up SJU on the offensive boards.

They had a lot of safe chances to foul with only a few seconds left. Almost cost them. I don't like fouling with 8 left like Purdue did, but 2 or 3 should be an easy choice.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 14, 2022, 09:51:31 AM
They had a lot of safe chances to foul with only a few seconds left. Almost cost them.

I don't see how it "almost cost" UConn. St. John's never came close to getting off what anybody could describe as a "good" shot, and the shot they did take missed badly.

And FWIW, I'd have been fine with just about any coach choosing to foul or to not foul in that situation.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: drewm88 on February 14, 2022, 12:02:47 PM
Wheeler is a 39% shooter from 3. Even with a guy in his face, I think a shot from him has a decent chance to go in. He dribbled with 3.0 seconds left. Perfect time to foul him and send him and his 68% FT shooting to the line.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 14, 2022, 01:00:34 PM
Wheeler is a 39% shooter from 3. Even with a guy in his face, I think a shot from him has a decent chance to go in. He dribbled with 3.0 seconds left. Perfect time to foul him and send him and his 68% FT shooting to the line.

We'll agree to disagree. It was a heavily contested shot that wasn't close to going in. The strategy didn't "almost cost" UConn anything.

Meanwhile, in the Maryland-Purdue game, fouling up 3 did "almost cost" Purdue. I understand Purdue fouling, but they did it with too much time remaining.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 15, 2022, 09:02:09 AM
Who we rooting for tonight, Wright & Company or The Provi?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 15, 2022, 09:08:32 AM
Who we rooting for tonight, Wright & Company or The Provi?
As much as I like Cooley & Company, I am going to be rooting for Nova. Our two wins over Nova are important to our NCAA resume and thus I want them to continue to be highly rated in NET and overall.  A close game with a Nova win would be good for MU.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 15, 2022, 10:29:32 AM
Who we rooting for tonight, Wright & Company or The Provi?

I'm going Providence on this one. We can theoretically catch Nova in the BEast standings. I don't see us catching Providence. Further, NOVA is firmly entrenched as a Q1(H)/Q1(R) game for the entire Big East. Providence is right on the line for a Q1/Q1 and Q1/Q2 game. Nova will be a Q1/Q1 no matter what happens the rest of the season. Providence winning would go along way towards solidifying them as a Q1/Q1.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 15, 2022, 10:34:41 AM
Solid win for the Bluejays over The Hoyas yesterday.

https://omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/alex-oconnells-27-points-helps-creighton-hold-off-georgetown/article_de3c316e-8dc9-11ec-b1db-0b6443206fcc.html
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 15, 2022, 11:41:38 AM
Solid win for the Bluejays over The Hoyas yesterday.

https://omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/alex-oconnells-27-points-helps-creighton-hold-off-georgetown/article_de3c316e-8dc9-11ec-b1db-0b6443206fcc.html

Saturday, they dodged a bullet.  Last night, it was a solid win.

Huh
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on February 15, 2022, 05:25:45 PM
Solid win for the Bluejays over The Hoyas yesterday.

Hmmm...Creighton didn't make a basket for the final 8:10 of the game and held on in the final 2:00 at the foul line. Georgetown had two opportunities to cut the score to three but Kaiden Rice decided in both cases that a 35 foot shot was preferable to an guard cutting to the hoop.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 15, 2022, 05:46:05 PM
Hmmm...Creighton didn't make a basket for the final 8:10 of the game and held on in the final 2:00 at the foul line. Georgetown had two opportunities to cut the score to three but Kaiden Rice decided in both cases that a 35 foot shot was preferable to an guard cutting to the hoop.

Weird game. I thought GT just might pull it off after falling behind by 23 early in the 2nd half and somehow getting back into the game. Wow!. After tomorrow night's game, I hope they finally win some games. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 15, 2022, 08:01:10 PM
V up on the Dence nearing the half
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 15, 2022, 08:05:29 PM
Villanova 7/14 from three.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 15, 2022, 08:13:55 PM
Marquette's best and ceiling is higher than both of these teams. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 15, 2022, 08:24:29 PM
Who we rooting for tonight, Wright & Company or The Provi?

I like Providence and Cooley but dislike their fans.

Humble them Nova!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 15, 2022, 09:08:50 PM
Nova scrapping their way to a lead over Cooley & Company.

Butler and DePaul in a Dog fight.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 15, 2022, 09:09:06 PM
Marquette's best and ceiling is higher than both of these teams.

Providence yes.  Villanova no
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 15, 2022, 09:26:06 PM
Poor breakdown on defense twice on Providence. Colin Gillespie with a career high 33 points.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 15, 2022, 09:50:10 PM
Good outcome for MU with Nova winning on the road . Cooley & Company won’t go down much as they battled hard .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 15, 2022, 09:58:06 PM
A miraculous Butler three from the freshman.  Oh my goodness.  The lucky Lithuanian off the glass with the shot clock winding down.  Butler wins on the road in a thriller played in front of no one.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 15, 2022, 10:04:14 PM
Good outcome for MU with Nova winning on the road . Cooley & Company won’t go down much as they battled hard .

MU is fine Herman.  We had a colossal double-dud performance on Saturday, no doubt about it.  That said this team will bounce back and has already proven that we can kick it up a few gears.  It's unfortunate we lost our focus, but this may in fact re-energize us and make us hungrier.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 15, 2022, 10:09:51 PM
MU is fine Herman.  We had a colossal double-dud performance on Saturday, no doubt about it.  That said this team will bounce back and has already proven that we can kick it up a few gears.  It's unfortunate we lost our focus, but this may in fact re-energize us and make us hungrier.

More than lost focus. Tonight, Butler shot 26.3 from the three. Wish they had on Saturday.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU24 on February 15, 2022, 10:12:15 PM
A shame Providence wont have to make up those games, they caught a huge break.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 15, 2022, 10:14:16 PM
More than lost focus. Tonight, Butler shot 26.3 from the three. Wish they had on Saturday.

They hit a few threes out of their ass, especially those two late.  Nevertheless, we overpressured defensively and completely lost focus in general imo.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 15, 2022, 10:20:39 PM
They hit a few threes out of their ass, especially those two late.  Nevertheless, we overpressured defensively and completely lost focus in general imo.

I'm simply looking at total points scored via 3's vs. their average. I'm not debating our defensive performance, but of course more opportunities for open 3's and defensive lapses are certainly related. If they shot anywhere near their average, I think we win in an ugly game.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 15, 2022, 10:23:08 PM
I'm simply looking at total points scored via 3's vs. their average. I'm not debating our defensive performance, but of course more opportunities for open 3's and defensive lapses are certainly related. If they shot anywhere near their average, I think we win in an ugly game.

True.  But Golden and Eze dropping 36 points simply cannot happen.  We were not fully there from minute one which is quite upsetting but all of our mishaps are correctable.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 15, 2022, 10:25:31 PM
Very classy Providence fans were throwing stuff onto the court after the game tonight.  Cooley had to jump on the PA and tell them to stop.  That’s what you do after a protracted winning streak comes to an end?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 15, 2022, 10:27:45 PM
Very classy Providence fans were throwing stuff onto the court after the game tonight.  Cooley had to jump on the PA and tell them to stop.  That’s what you do after a protracted winning streak comes to an end?

I missed that.  Uhh.....wtf??  Providence might want to remind themselves that they're.....well....Providence.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on February 15, 2022, 10:30:01 PM
I missed that.  Uhh.....wtf??  Providence might want to remind themselves that they're.....well....Providence.

I think this is them fully remembering they are, indeed, Providence.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 15, 2022, 10:31:58 PM
It was actually during the game at a point late in the contest.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 15, 2022, 10:33:43 PM
I think this is them fully remembering they are, indeed, Providence.

Good Italian eats there but their team is a bit smoke and mirrors. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Shark on February 15, 2022, 10:59:35 PM
Very excited to watch The 'Dence lose in the first round this year
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 16, 2022, 07:13:17 AM
If Lavall Jordan can keep Butler playing crisp through the end of the season , he may be able to come off the hot seat .

It is unfortunate that Butler had two DII games on their schedule ( which don’t count for purposes of NET). Otherwise if they would have just scheduled two cupcakes their NET ranking would have been a bit higher.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 16, 2022, 08:24:42 AM
If Lavall Jordan can keep Butler playing crisp through the end of the season , he may be able to come off the hot seat .

It is unfortunate that Butler had two DII games on their schedule ( which don’t count for purposes of NET). Otherwise if they would have just scheduled two cupcakes their NET ranking would have been a bit higher.

.... unless they didn't play well against those cupcakes then their NET would be even lower
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on February 16, 2022, 08:28:41 AM
It is unfortunate that Butler had two DII games on their schedule ( which don’t count for purposes of NET). Otherwise if they would have just scheduled two cupcakes their NET ranking would have been a bit higher.

This is simply not true. Butler played 4 "cupcakes" and failed to cover 3 times, so they were at a 75% likelihood to hurt their NET, not help it. And the only game in Maui/Vegas where they didn't hurt their metrics was against Chaminade, do you really think playing a Notre Dame team that's proving to be better than anyone expected would've helped them?

Before Bo Hodges joined the starting lineup, Butler played 19 games that impacted their quality metrics. In 16 of those, their quality metrics got worse, regardless of the level of opponent. Add two more D1 opponents and the odds are Butler is even worse than they are now, not better.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 16, 2022, 08:35:29 AM
This is simply not true. Butler played 4 "cupcakes" and failed to cover 3 times, so they were at a 75% likelihood to hurt their NET, not help it. And the only game in Maui/Vegas where they didn't hurt their metrics was against Chaminade, do you really think playing a Notre Dame team that's proving to be better than anyone expected would've helped them?

Before Bo Hodges joined the starting lineup, Butler played 19 games that impacted their quality metrics. In 16 of those, their quality metrics got worse, regardless of the level of opponent. Add two more D1 opponents and the odds are Butler is even worse than they are now, not better.

Well, that escalated
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 16, 2022, 08:52:22 AM
This is simply not true. Butler played 4 "cupcakes" and failed to cover 3 times, so they were at a 75% likelihood to hurt their NET, not help it. And the only game in Maui/Vegas where they didn't hurt their metrics was against Chaminade, do you really think playing a Notre Dame team that's proving to be better than anyone expected would've helped them?

Before Bo Hodges joined the starting lineup, Butler played 19 games that impacted their quality metrics. In 16 of those, their quality metrics got worse, regardless of the level of opponent. Add two more D1 opponents and the odds are Butler is even worse than they are now, not better.
One of the metrics in NET is win loss percentage .

Schedule a couple of easy wins and your good to go. You Get the win percentage up and the efficiency up. All that gets added into the total .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 16, 2022, 08:53:52 AM
One of the metrics in NET is win loss percentage .

Schedule a couple of easy wins and your good to go. You Get the win percentage up and the efficiency up. All that gets added into the total .

.... so you only look at one factor and ignore the others?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 16, 2022, 08:58:40 AM
.... so you only look at one factor and ignore the others?
Very simple DII don’t count in formula

Add two big wins and the gross Total goes up.

That is why non conference matters . Build up the NET then, because the in conference it is hard to gain unless you go on a massive winning streak like MU did .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 16, 2022, 09:04:44 AM
Very simple DII don’t count in formula

Add two big wins and the gross Total goes up.

That is why non conference matters . Build up the NET then, because the in conference it is hard to gain unless you go on a massive winning streak like MU did .

They didn’t cover in 3 of 4 cupcake games, what makes you believe they’d have won those cupcake games?  Butler sucked through mid-January
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on February 16, 2022, 09:23:11 AM
One of the metrics in NET is win loss percentage .

Schedule a couple of easy wins and your good to go. You Get the win percentage up and the efficiency up. All that gets added into the total .

Efficiency margins matter above all else. Everything else you are saying is worthless nonsense. Let's use your own post to prove this:

Big East NET rankings as of games of December 11,2021
New Old
5   5   Villanova   
14   14   UConn   
15   18   Xavier   
22   23   Seton Hall   
39   36   Providence   
51   50   DePaul
58   82   Creighton   
76   60   Marquette   
95   96   St. John's
137   123   Butler   
174   205   Georgetown

So on December 10th, Butler was 123 in the NET, and because of the results of December 11th, Butler fell 14 spots to 137. That's a pretty sharp drop, so they must've taken a loss, right? Wrong. They played and won.

Butler beat Eastern Illinois 66-54. (https://thebutlercollegian.com/2021/12/butler-vs-eastern-illinois-beyond-the-box-score/)

So they get a double-digit win over a cupcake and...drop 14 spots? But how could that be if their NET improves due to improving their W/L record? Because in the grand scheme, W/L record is meaningless. Butler was supposed to win by 23 and because they failed to cover that number, they dropped. Margins are the same reason Alabama (23) and Marquette (29) have 16-9 records yet are ahead of Providence (31) at 21-3 in the NET. It's why Oklahoma State is 51st in the NET with a 12-13 record while the 34 teams behind them are all .500 or better (Penn State, 86th and 10-12 is the next team with a losing record). Because W/L record is virtually meaningless.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 16, 2022, 09:28:34 AM
Very simple DII don’t count in formula

Add two big wins and the gross Total goes up.

That is why non conference matters . Build up the NET then, because the in conference it is hard to gain unless you go on a massive winning streak like MU did .

Yes D2 doesn't count in NET's formula...good or bad. You can't replace the two D2 games with two D1 games and assume that Butler would have gotten "two big wins". They could have also gotten two "not big wins" or two "losses" or any combination of the three.

There are 358 teams in D1. Butler has played both #355 in NET and #358, literally two of the four worst NET teams in D1. Two teams with a combined record of 3-43 this season. Butler beat #355 by only 12 and #358, the worst team in D1, by only 9. Both of these games hurt their NET and by extension hurt the rest of the conference.

In addition, one of those two D2 games, they only won by 11. So if it had counted, it would have hurt their NET even more.

So yes, if Butler had played two D1 teams instead of two D2s and had "big wins", you are correct that would have helped their NET. But given that Butler struggled against most of their cupcakes, it's also possible that they wouldn't have had "big wins" and would have ended up doing even more damage to the rest of the Big East, so it's also possible that the Big East is fortunate that Butler scheduled D2 opponents instead of D1 opponents.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on February 16, 2022, 09:37:14 AM
Just a PSA that tonight's MU game is on FS2 - I know that's not a problem for most here, but we inevitably get last minute bellyaching every time a FS2 or CBSSN game comes up.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: fjm on February 16, 2022, 12:29:59 PM
Just a PSA that tonight's MU game is on FS2 - I know that's not a problem for most here, but we inevitably get last minute bellyaching every time a FS2 or CBSSN game comes up.

Come on man! CBSSN! Ugh
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: We R Final Four on February 16, 2022, 01:20:59 PM
Just a PSA that tonight's MU game is on FS2 - I know that's not a problem for most here, but we inevitably get last minute bellyaching every time a FS2 or CBSSN game comes up.
So true—-cant wait for the 7:05 post asking  where to find the game…..followed shortly by “MU should play all of their games on FS1.”
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 16, 2022, 06:36:51 PM
Over on CBSSN The Johnnies are up 45-42 at the half at X
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 16, 2022, 07:26:05 PM
The X flat out stinks.  Nice win for the Johnnies NIT bid
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: wildbillsb on February 16, 2022, 08:00:50 PM
Just a PSA that tonight's MU game is on FS2 - I know that's not a problem for most here, but we inevitably get last minute bellyaching every time a FS2 or CBSSN game comes up.

Can't get FS1 out here in San Diego.  Anybody have a suggestion?  Thanks.
wildbill
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: 1SE on February 16, 2022, 08:02:51 PM
Livestream fox.com if you have a TV provider.

Otherwise reddit CBB streams
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 16, 2022, 08:07:41 PM
Excellent win for The Johnnies over X.

Chris Mack is available to come back……..
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 16, 2022, 08:13:19 PM
Excellent win for The Johnnies over X.

Chris Mack is available to come back……..

They’d take Sean Miller or Thad Matta first
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 16, 2022, 08:56:45 PM
The X flat out stinks.  Nice win for the Johnnies NIT bid

I didn’t watch because KenPom said X would win. What happened in Cincy tonight?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 16, 2022, 09:01:14 PM
I didn’t watch because KenPom said X would win. What happened in Cincy tonight?

That’s pretty stupid of you, but hardly surprising.  Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of predictive models know how they work.

I’m sorry KenPom hurt you or pops.  Good win for the Johnnies.  Very helpful in getting them to the NIT
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on February 16, 2022, 09:08:52 PM
Helps keep MU top 5.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on February 16, 2022, 10:05:27 PM
That’s pretty stupid of you, but hardly surprising.  Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of predictive models know how they work.

I’m sorry KenPom hurt you or pops.  Good win for the Johnnies.  Very helpful in getting them to the NIT

Math is hard.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 16, 2022, 10:21:40 PM
Math is hard.

But stats are. Pomeroy great looking backwards. Not so good looking forward.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on February 16, 2022, 10:33:00 PM
But stats are. Pomeroy great looking backwards. Not so good looking forward.

It's the closest thing to Vegas in terms of accuracy. No system is perfect, but it's the best of the predictive metrics.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 16, 2022, 10:45:54 PM
It's the closest thing to Vegas in terms of accuracy. No system is perfect, but it's the best of the predictive metrics.

He changed his methodology a few years back to be more explainable. He is the best looking backwards as a result, not predictive. He was better before when he was multiplicative versus additive.

Case in point, the shyt he took for rating the Badgers too high under Bo...yet they finished in the F2 twice which he predicted and was where they finished.

When you build models you have two choices: Build them backwards looking or forward looking. Pomeroy is now great explaining the past as was his choice.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 17, 2022, 05:37:07 AM
He changed his methodology a few years back to be more explainable. He is the best looking backwards as a result, not predictive. He was better before when he was multiplicative versus additive.

Case in point, the shyt he took for rating the Badgers too high under Bo...yet they finished in the F2 twice which he predicted and was where they finished.

When you build models you have two choices: Build them backwards looking or forward looking. Pomeroy is now great explaining the past as was his choice.

Either way, no one has ever said it’s infallible when it comes to the results of games yet to be played.  It’s one tool to use in discussing teams.  Dismissing it is silly, especially when we consider how many coaches in college basketball use it
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 17, 2022, 07:11:35 AM
Solid win for U Conn over The Hall. U Conn  did an excellent job rebounding.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 17, 2022, 07:58:06 AM
Either way, no one has ever said it’s infallible when it comes to the results of games yet to be played.  It’s one tool to use in discussing teams.  Dismissing it is silly, especially when we consider how many coaches in college basketball use it

I know that I've been a little snarky about kenpom. It's not that I don't "like" it or "trust" it, it's that I feel sometimes it's used as a crutch a little too much. We've got a game in 24 hours, and all some folks (not you Unk) talk about is what kenpom says, as if we might as well not even bother playing. And then there's the whole thing of the first two months of kenpom ratings being fairly close to worthless because they're based on the previous season, even though teams increasingly have 50% roster turnover or more.

But I know there's nothing perfect out there, and an awful lot of knowledgeable Scoopers like you, brew, TAMU, etc, really think highly of kenpom, so I'll try to "respect the kenpom process" going forward.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 17, 2022, 08:15:20 AM
I know that I've been a little snarky about kenpom. It's not that I don't "like" it or "trust" it, it's that I feel sometimes it's used as a crutch a little too much. We've got a game in 24 hours, and all some folks (not you Unk) talk about is what kenpom says, as if we might as well not even bother playing. And then there's the whole thing of the first two months of kenpom ratings being fairly close to worthless because they're based on the previous season, even though teams increasingly have 50% roster turnover or more.

But I know there's nothing perfect out there, and an awful lot of knowledgeable Scoopers like you, brew, TAMU, etc, really think highly of kenpom, so I'll try to "respect the kenpom process" going forward.

I guess I see those doomsayers differently in that there is a certain level of preparation for a tough challenge.  For me, the wins over Villanova are that much sweeter.

I don’t take KenPom as gospel, nor do Brew or TAMU.  It’s one tool in the belt to use.

The human element is real in sports.  There are a variety of reasons a team may under perform or over perform on a given day.  We all realize that and that’s why we watch. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 17, 2022, 08:51:26 AM
I know that I've been a little snarky about kenpom. It's not that I don't "like" it or "trust" it, it's that I feel sometimes it's used as a crutch a little too much. We've got a game in 24 hours, and all some folks (not you Unk) talk about is what kenpom says, as if we might as well not even bother playing. And then there's the whole thing of the first two months of kenpom ratings being fairly close to worthless because they're based on the previous season, even though teams increasingly have 50% roster turnover or more.

But I know there's nothing perfect out there, and an awful lot of knowledgeable Scoopers like you, brew, TAMU, etc, really think highly of kenpom, so I'll try to "respect the kenpom process" going forward.

You've got a couple of misconceptions about KenPom in here. First, not once has anyone suggested anything close to the "might as well not play the game" trope that you and Billy like to break out (if nothing else, KenPom can bring opposites together!). The reason people use it is because it is an objective, data informed model that takes the homerism and emotion out of predictions and rankings. It gives us a baseline of what the data "expects" to happen, knowing that 98 times out of 100, it isn't going to be exactly right. No one treats it like gospel, as Rico said, it's one tool in the toolbelt.

The first two months of KenPom are not "close to worthless", they get steadily more accurate as the season goes on. You bring up roster turnover as if that dismisses KenPom's value. KenPom accounts for roster turnover. The results of the previous season that are used aren't based on last year's Marquette team. They are based on the data from how the players performed the previous season wherever they were. So wrapped up in KenPom's initial rankings for Marquette was Lewis' freshman year stats, Tyler's stats at George Mason, O-Max's stats at Clemson, as well as projections for the freshmen based on their rankings. What was not included in his initial rankings for Marquette was anything related to Carton, McEwen, John, etc. While not as accurate as quantifying player value from the current season, there are still ways to project how a player is likely to perform this season given their performance in past seasons. And again, no one treats this like gospel. It's just a neutral and objective way to provide a baseline for what the team is expected to do going into the season. One tool in the tool belt.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: shoothoops on February 17, 2022, 04:59:20 PM
In the past 25 years, 12 coaches were winless in conference. Of the 12, 3 kept their job the following season. (CBS Sports)

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: GooooMarquette on February 17, 2022, 05:11:30 PM
In the past 25 years, 12 coaches were winless in conference. Of the 12, 3 kept their job the following season. (CBS Sports)


If Ewing wasn’t a Georgetown icon, he would likely be gone. One winning season in five (including this season), and the BET was a fluke. Even Wojo had a (considerably) better record after five seasons, and only missed the NCAA in season five because of COVID.

Wojo: 97-68
Ewing: 68-78

Wojo was carried by his Duke pedigree and recruiting. It will be interesting to see how far Ewing’s Georgetown playing days carry him….
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: shoothoops on February 17, 2022, 05:40:50 PM

If Ewing wasn’t a Georgetown icon, he would likely be gone. One winning season in five (including this season), and the BET was a fluke. Even Wojo had a (considerably) better record after five seasons, and only missed the NCAA in season five because of COVID.

Wojo: 97-68
Ewing: 68-78

Wojo was carried by his Duke pedigree and recruiting. It will be interesting to see how far Ewing’s Georgetown playing days carry him….

Matt Norlander did the research, and in his opinion, Ewing will not get fired. If he steps down it will be his choice.

The 3 who survived were Jerry Wainwright, Trent Johnson, Jim Christian.

Wainwright, DePaul 2009, in his 4th season, and he lasted 1 more season.

Trent Johnson, TCU 2014, in his 2nd season, and he lasted 2 more seasons.

Jim Christian BC 2016, in his 2nd season, and he lasted 5 more seasons.

The 9 who did not survive:

Baylor, 1999 (0-16) / Harry Miller after fifth season
Northwestern, 2000 (0-16) / Kevin O'Neill after third season
Texas A&M, 2004 (0-16) / Melvin Watkins after sixth season
Oregon State, 2008 (0-18) / Jay John fired sixth season
Fordham, 2010 (0-16) / Derrick Whittenburg after seventh season
Pitt, 2018 (0-18) / Kevin Stallings fired second second
Tulane, 2019 (0-18) / Mike Dunleavy fired third season
Vanderbilt, 2019 (0-18) / Bryce Drew fired third season
Iowa State, 2021 (0-18) / Steve Prohm fired sixth season

I know Bryce Drew was shocked that he was fired as several top players Darius Garland etc missed the season due to injury. It was a new AD (that makes a difference too) that came in and fired him without discussion. Drew underestimated the importance of at least winning a few games in conference. (He has since bounced back at Grand Canyon.)

We’ll see about Ewing. I hope he wins a few league games.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 17, 2022, 06:41:42 PM
Creighton Aims To Stay Hot Versus DePaul

https://wgnradio.com/sports/creighton-aims-to-stay-hot-vs-depaul/
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mugrad_89 on February 17, 2022, 09:20:25 PM
Looks like there might be 500 folks at the Creighton/DePaul game.  👀
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 17, 2022, 09:39:14 PM
You've got a couple of misconceptions about KenPom in here. First, not once has anyone suggested anything close to the "might as well not play the game" trope that you and Billy like to break out (if nothing else, KenPom can bring opposites together!). The reason people use it is because it is an objective, data informed model that takes the homerism and emotion out of predictions and rankings. It gives us a baseline of what the data "expects" to happen, knowing that 98 times out of 100, it isn't going to be exactly right. No one treats it like gospel, as Rico said, it's one tool in the toolbelt.

The first two months of KenPom are not "close to worthless", they get steadily more accurate as the season goes on. You bring up roster turnover as if that dismisses KenPom's value. KenPom accounts for roster turnover. The results of the previous season that are used aren't based on last year's Marquette team. They are based on the data from how the players performed the previous season wherever they were. So wrapped up in KenPom's initial rankings for Marquette was Lewis' freshman year stats, Tyler's stats at George Mason, O-Max's stats at Clemson, as well as projections for the freshmen based on their rankings. What was not included in his initial rankings for Marquette was anything related to Carton, McEwen, John, etc. While not as accurate as quantifying player value from the current season, there are still ways to project how a player is likely to perform this season given their performance in past seasons. And again, no one treats this like gospel. It's just a neutral and objective way to provide a baseline for what the team is expected to do going into the season. One tool in the tool belt.

Thanks for some points of clarification.

I guess I don't know where I got the "kenpom isn't very useful the first couple of months" thing from. I actually thought it was from a kenpom fan.

But I hear ya.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: GooooMarquette on February 17, 2022, 09:42:04 PM

Matt Norlander did the research, and in his opinion, Ewing will not get fired. If he steps down it will be his choice.



I agree with Norlander. I just added another reason.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on February 17, 2022, 10:42:40 PM
my local highschool gets more asses in the seats than this depaul game.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 17, 2022, 10:45:09 PM
I'm not impressed by Creighton or DePaul.  Marquette should pummel both of these teams and it's not debatable.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: jfp61 on February 17, 2022, 11:06:57 PM
Kaluma matters, plus creighton still won by 12. They play great defense. We'll still be slight dogs
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on February 17, 2022, 11:12:37 PM
I'm not impressed by Creighton or DePaul.  Marquette should pummel both of these teams and it's not debatable.

It is debatable, because we’ll be underdogs on Sunday.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 17, 2022, 11:14:04 PM
We should have fouled up three with 3 seconds on the clock!  I sure hope we exact revenge on this young, awful three point shooting team.  It’s imperative Marquette comes out swinging.  The listless starts lately, especially on the road, are a concern.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 17, 2022, 11:19:42 PM
It is debatable, because we’ll be underdogs on Sunday.

I could care less about the bet line.  They are not impressive at all and if we play a solid game we will get the W.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on February 17, 2022, 11:48:00 PM
I could care less about the bet line.  They are not impressive at all and if we play a solid game we will get the W.

People who do this for a living and know more than you and I think otherwise. We’re the better team. But weekend game in a hostile environment. It’s a toss up. Creighton is 5-1 in February including a win against UConn. The other four have been against the bottom of the conference.

The betting spot probably favors MU. Creighton has covered in 3 in a row, MU has failed to cover in 3 in a row. Shaka is historically very good as an underdog.

I think we’ll win but it’s going to be a rock fight. Creighton has been far and away the best defensive team in the Big East this season and they defend the pick and roll well.

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on February 17, 2022, 11:49:46 PM
Marquette is the better team and will have a big chip on its shoulder after the first game at the serve, so I have a good feeling about this one on the road.

That said, if we are being completely honest this one matters a lot more for Creighton.

In the bracketology podcast Brew mentioned that he was very confident in Creightons tourney chances, but they are definitely the bubbliest of the BE teams.
Their computer numbers are doing them no favors- 65 in KenPom and 71 in the NET, yikes.

They need to improve those numbers and finish the season strong if they want to get a bid IMO, and that’s a big opportunity for them on Sunday so they will be hungry (finish off with @StJ, @Prov, v UConn, v SH)

I think they are in the pickle that Marquette was in before their metrics and perception greatly increased after that amazing stretch and Nova sweep.
10-9 in conference likely won’t do it IMO.
11-8 will probably still leave them on the bubble, but still not sure if they would be on the right side tbh (I would guess Dayton with that record at this point).

Since that lucky win over Marquette at the turn of the new year Creightons wins are as follows
At Home over StJ, DePaul, Butler, Georgetown.
On the road over Georgetown, DePaul, UConn.

That’s one good win.
They have the @Uconn, @MU and home clobber of Nova as nice resume pieces and the committee will like that, but unfortunately I don’t think the committee will view the BE as elite as say the B12 or SEC or B10 this year because Nova isn’t as strong and generally speaking the BE will have two top 3/4 seeds (Nova, Providence) and a slew of 5-8 seeds (UConn, MU, X, SH likely lower).

Not sure one good home win versus a 3 seed and a few road wins over 4-6 seeds will be enough to get them in with those computer numbers, and I’m pretty confident it actually wouldn’t.
Now, add a season sweep of MU or UConn (both coming up at home) or a win at Providence and pump that NET into the 55 range and then you’ll likely convince the committee.

Good news is that Coach McDermott recently said in an interview that they are running on fumes. Get after them with high energy and intensity early and often, break their spirit and their lively crowd and bring home a dub
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 18, 2022, 12:00:59 AM
Marquette is the better team and will have a big chip on its shoulder after the first game at the serve, so I have a good feeling about this one on the road.

That said, if we are being completely honest this one matters a lot more for Creighton.

In the bracketology podcast Brew mentioned that he was very confident in Creightons tourney chances, but they are definitely the bubbliest of the BE teams.
Their computer numbers are doing them no favors- 65 in KenPom and 71 in the NET, yikes.

They need to improve those numbers and finish the season strong if they want to get a bid IMO, and that’s a big opportunity for them on Sunday so they will be hungry (finish off with @StJ, @Prov, v UConn, v SH)

I think they are in the pickle that Marquette was in before their metrics and perception greatly increased after that amazing stretch and Nova sweep.
10-9 in conference likely won’t do it IMO.
11-8 will probably still leave them on the bubble, but still not sure if they would be on the right side tbh (I would guess Dayton with that record at this point).

Since that lucky win over Marquette at the turn of the new year Creightons wins are as follows
At Home over StJ, DePaul, Butler, Georgetown.
On the road over Georgetown, DePaul, UConn.

That’s one good win.
They have the @Uconn, @MU and home clobber of Nova as nice resume pieces and the committee will like that, but unfortunately I don’t think the committee will view the BE as elite as say the B12 or SEC or B10 this year because Nova isn’t as strong and generally speaking the BE will have two top 3/4 seeds (Nova, Providence) and a slew of 5-8 seeds (UConn, MU, X, SH likely lower).

Not sure one good home win versus a 3 seed and a few road wins over 4-6 seeds will be enough to get them in with those computer numbers, and I’m pretty confident it actually wouldn’t.
Now, add a season sweep of MU or UConn (both coming up at home) or a win at Providence and pump that NET into the 55 range and then you’ll likely convince the committee.

Good news is that Coach McDermott recently said in an interview that they are running on fumes. Get after them with high energy and intensity early and often, break their spirit and their lively crowd and bring home a dub

The question is are we a better team and should we beat Creighton?  I emphatically believe we should.  It's time to get our act together Dr. V and play high quality hoops.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Equalizer on February 18, 2022, 08:26:45 AM
Matt Norlander did the research, and in his opinion, Ewing will not get fired. If he steps down it will be his choice.

The 3 who survived were Jerry Wainwright, Trent Johnson, Jim Christian.

Wainwright, DePaul 2009, in his 4th season, and he lasted 1 more season.

Trent Johnson, TCU 2014, in his 2nd season, and he lasted 2 more seasons.

Jim Christian BC 2016, in his 2nd season, and he lasted 5 more seasons.

The 9 who did not survive:

Baylor, 1999 (0-16) / Harry Miller after fifth season
Northwestern, 2000 (0-16) / Kevin O'Neill after third season
Texas A&M, 2004 (0-16) / Melvin Watkins after sixth season
Oregon State, 2008 (0-18) / Jay John fired sixth season
Fordham, 2010 (0-16) / Derrick Whittenburg after seventh season
Pitt, 2018 (0-18) / Kevin Stallings fired second second
Tulane, 2019 (0-18) / Mike Dunleavy fired third season
Vanderbilt, 2019 (0-18) / Bryce Drew fired third season
Iowa State, 2021 (0-18) / Steve Prohm fired sixth season

I know Bryce Drew was shocked that he was fired as several top players Darius Garland etc missed the season due to injury. It was a new AD (that makes a difference too) that came in and fired him without discussion. Drew underestimated the importance of at least winning a few games in conference. (He has since bounced back at Grand Canyon.)

We’ll see about Ewing. I hope he wins a few league games.

I was thinking the three that survived were Wainwright Leitao, and Purnell.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on February 18, 2022, 08:49:55 AM
The question is are we a better team and should we beat Creighton?  I emphatically believe we should.  It's time to get our act together Dr. V and play high quality hoops.

Yes Muggsy we must get our act together and play some high quality hoops, you aren’t kiddin
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: nyg on February 18, 2022, 08:53:41 AM
Yes Muggsy we must get our act together and play some high quality hoops, you aren’t kiddin

Creighton beat Depaul without Kaluma and Mitchell who are injured.  I believe they played one reserve off the bench. 
If neither of them are available on Sunday and MU loses, it will be a very bad loss. 


BOX Score check:  They played two.  One backup center played five minutes, the other reserve 25 minutes. 

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on February 18, 2022, 09:22:47 AM
The question is are we a better team and should we beat Creighton?  I emphatically believe we should.  It's time to get our act together Dr. V and play high quality hoops.

Better team? Yes, I believe so. Should we beat them? Not sure about that. Creighton has been really good defensively, particularly against pick and roll, which is what we need to get into our offense. They also are excellent at limiting good shots, so when your combine their ability to take away how we get good looks, and their ability to challenge what good looks we get, it's an uphill climb on offense.

The upside is they aren't a great rebounding team and aren't typically going to win the turnover battle, which should play into our favor, but in Milwaukee they were better protecting the ball and hitting the glass against us than they are on average.

This is just a tough matchup and I've got some definite reservations. One more thing to watch, Creighton is willing to play at the other team's pace. I think we want to speed them up and get them playing faster, particularly because neither Nembhard nor Alexander protect the ball well. I would use the Nova strategy and break out the press again. Probably our best shot at stealing the road win.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BrewCity83 on February 18, 2022, 09:35:00 AM
One more thing to watch, Creighton is willing to play at the other team's pace. I think we want to speed them up and get them playing faster, particularly because neither Nembhard nor Alexander protect the ball well. I would use the Nova strategy and break out the press again. Probably our best shot at stealing the road win.

I agree with this strategy, especially if the Jays are only playing with essentially 6 players.  Wear them down.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PointWarrior on February 18, 2022, 09:48:55 AM
At the beginning of the year, the kenpom zealots come out and you might as well not play the season.  Happens every year.


You've got a couple of misconceptions about KenPom in here. First, not once has anyone suggested anything close to the "might as well not play the game" trope that you and Billy like to break out (if nothing else, KenPom can bring opposites together!). The reason people use it is because it is an objective, data informed model that takes the homerism and emotion out of predictions and rankings. It gives us a baseline of what the data "expects" to happen, knowing that 98 times out of 100, it isn't going to be exactly right. No one treats it like gospel, as Rico said, it's one tool in the toolbelt.

The first two months of KenPom are not "close to worthless", they get steadily more accurate as the season goes on. You bring up roster turnover as if that dismisses KenPom's value. KenPom accounts for roster turnover. The results of the previous season that are used aren't based on last year's Marquette team. They are based on the data from how the players performed the previous season wherever they were. So wrapped up in KenPom's initial rankings for Marquette was Lewis' freshman year stats, Tyler's stats at George Mason, O-Max's stats at Clemson, as well as projections for the freshmen based on their rankings. What was not included in his initial rankings for Marquette was anything related to Carton, McEwen, John, etc. While not as accurate as quantifying player value from the current season, there are still ways to project how a player is likely to perform this season given their performance in past seasons. And again, no one treats this like gospel. It's just a neutral and objective way to provide a baseline for what the team is expected to do going into the season. One tool in the tool belt.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on February 18, 2022, 09:53:16 AM
At the beginning of the year, the kenpom zealots come out and you might as well not play the season.  Happens every year.
Link?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on February 18, 2022, 09:58:58 AM
I agree with this strategy, especially if the Jays are only playing with essentially 6 players.  Wear them down.

They are also playing their 4th game in 9 days. Nembhard & Hawkins both played 37+ in each of those first three. Turn up the pressure because we won't play again until Saturday.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on February 18, 2022, 10:01:12 AM
Better team? Yes, I believe so. Should we beat them? Not sure about that. Creighton has been really good defensively, particularly against pick and roll, which is what we need to get into our offense. They also are excellent at limiting good shots, so when your combine their ability to take away how we get good looks, and their ability to challenge what good looks we get, it's an uphill climb on offense.

The upside is they aren't a great rebounding team and aren't typically going to win the turnover battle, which should play into our favor, but in Milwaukee they were better protecting the ball and hitting the glass against us than they are on average.

This is just a tough matchup and I've got some definite reservations. One more thing to watch, Creighton is willing to play at the other team's pace. I think we want to speed them up and get them playing faster, particularly because neither Nembhard nor Alexander protect the ball well. I would use the Nova strategy and break out the press again. Probably our best shot at stealing the road win.

I think roster-wise this is a great matchup for Marquette.

Creighton has a slow big in Kalkbrenner, they don't shoot out of this world, and they aren't that deep.

Creighton in Nebraska is just a tough game, but I am rolling with the Golden Eagles in this one. I think they get the job done.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on February 18, 2022, 10:14:59 AM
I think roster-wise this is a great matchup for Marquette.

Creighton has a slow big in Kalkbrenner, they don't shoot out of this world, and they aren't that deep.

Creighton in Nebraska is just a tough game, but I am rolling with the Golden Eagles in this one. I think they get the job done.

I hope we wear them out, but a friend pointed out that the basic question we should always ask is "how does our opponent defend pick and roll?" Our offense is near unstoppable when Tyler can get into the lane and spray passes to the wings or hook around to a post player because TKO drew their defender. Creighton has the third best high major PnR defense. Kalkbrenner does great inside cutting off those passing lanes. Defensively, they are built to stop our half court defense.

The timing and wearing them out could play in our favor, but if we get into a half court game at a medium to slow pace (4 of our last 5 and all 3 losses were under 70 possessions) I don't like our chances. I really hope they are on the other side of the bracket once we get to MSG.

It's the same reason I kind of want a 5/12 game with Iona. Everyone will pick against us because Pitino, but their PnR defense sucks. Tyler would savage them.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JayPak on February 18, 2022, 10:20:29 AM
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This is just a tough matchup and I've got some definite reservations. One more thing to watch, Creighton is willing to play at the other team's pace. I think we want to speed them up and get them playing faster, particularly because neither Nembhard nor Alexander protect the ball well. I would use the Nova strategy and break out the press again. Probably our best shot at stealing the road win.
Creighton fan here.  The Jays actually play a cleaner game at a higher pace and are pretty good in transition.  Your better opportunity is to bog us down in a half-court, end-of-shot-clock offensive situation.  That said, if you were to press the entire game and not deviate from it even if we are breaking it, we probably will wear down as we did against Georgetown as the lead plummeted from 23 to 6 points.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2022, 10:26:10 AM
At the beginning of the year, the kenpom zealots come out and you might as well not play the season.  Happens every year.

No, they don’t.  They use it as a tool to help predict what a season may look like.

People that get mad at advanced statistics proclaim things like this, though.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on February 18, 2022, 10:27:33 AM
Creighton fan here.  The Jays actually play a cleaner game at a higher pace and are pretty good in transition.  Your better opportunity is to bog us down in a half-court, end-of-shot-clock offensive situation.  That said, if you were to press the entire game and not deviate from it even if we are breaking it, we probably will wear down as we did against Georgetown as the lead plummeted from 23 to 6 points.

MU has at least two presses that they use. There is one where they frequently trap the ball and try to force turnovers. This has been successful in spots but my eye test says it's been largely ineffective over the past 15 games or so.

The other, which they used against Nova, is to use a light 1-2-2 to take 7-8 seconds off the shot clock and then drop back into the halfcourt. That's the defense I'd prefer to see on Sunday against Creighton.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 18, 2022, 11:27:43 AM
At the beginning of the year, the kenpom zealots come out and you might as well not play the season.  Happens every year.

The only people who say this are not people who read KenPom. Just people who don't like KenPom for some reason.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2022, 05:00:50 PM
The ‘Ohn’s up big at half against the ‘ler.  Chance to get a protected NIT seed still in play
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 18, 2022, 05:01:50 PM
St. John's up 46-30 at the half at Carnesecca against Butler. They're shooting 64% for the half (Butler 55% from three). What a difference Posh Alexander makes for the Johnnies.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 18, 2022, 05:59:25 PM
St. John's up 46-30 at the half at Carnesecca against Butler. They're shooting 64% for the half (Butler 55% from three). What a difference Posh Alexander makes for the Johnnies.

Now 86-53 with 2 1/2 minutes left. St. J: 62% FG, 52% 3pointers.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 18, 2022, 06:02:28 PM
Now 86-53 with 2 1/2 minutes left. St. J: 62% FG, 52% 3pointers.

That Butler loss...
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 18, 2022, 06:03:10 PM
Big win for The Johnnies against Butler .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 18, 2022, 06:07:57 PM
That Butler loss...

91-57. Yeah...that Butler loss. And let's hope this game was an anomaly for St. Johns. Do not want to see this in Milwaukee.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2022, 06:14:09 PM
91-57. Yeah...that Butler loss. And let's hope this game was an anomaly for St. Johns. Do not want to see this in Milwaukee.

The great thing about St. John’s is, they’re just as likely to come to Milwaukee and lose by 30.  Typically St. John’s team
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 18, 2022, 06:42:48 PM
Now you know why many Scoopers were vehemently upset last Saturday.  That Butler team is abysmal..  It was a putrid/horrendous loss.  The good news is we have the talent to bounce back quickly and regain a top 5 tourney seed.  The tenacity will be on full display Sunday and I think we all expect a THUNDEROUS response.  Don't sleep on this MU team despite the Butler debacle.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2022, 06:45:08 PM
Now you know why many Scoopers were vehemently upset last Saturday.  That Butler team is abysmal..  It was a putrid/horrendous loss.  The good news is we have the talent to bounce back quickly and regain a top 5 tourney seed.  The tenacity will be on full display Sunday and I think we all expect a THUNDEROUS response.  Don't sleep on this MU team despite the Butler debacle.

I’m pretty tired
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 18, 2022, 06:49:14 PM
I’m pretty tired

Well snap out of it Uncle R.  This is no time to be insouciant or fatigued about the opportunities this team will have moving forward.  There will be time for rest eventually.  Have a pleasant evening and perhaps throw down a decent cup of coffee.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 18, 2022, 06:50:48 PM
Well snap out of it Uncle R.  This is no time to be insouciant or fatigued about the opportunities this team will have moving forward.  There will be time for rest eventually.  Have a pleasant evening and perhaps throw down a decent cup of coffee.


If you don't stay up for the next 48 hours, do you really love Marquette basketball?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2022, 06:55:38 PM
Well snap out of it Uncle R.  This is no time to be insouciant or fatigued about the opportunities this team will have moving forward.  There will be time for rest eventually.  Have a pleasant evening and perhaps throw down a decent cup of coffee.

I’m going to smoke a bowl and pass out
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 18, 2022, 06:56:52 PM

If you don't stay up for the next 48 hours, do you really love Marquette basketball?

I envy those that can sleep and  I'm not judging anyone.  As long as Uncle R and others are ready to go about 43 hours from now it's all good.  I'm just concerned with Uncle R's apparent lack of energy.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 18, 2022, 07:09:51 PM
I envy those that can sleep and  I'm not judging anyone.  As long as Uncle R and others are ready to go about 43 hours from now it's all good.  I'm just concerned with Uncle R's apparent lack of energy.

Every game we've lost was because Rico wasn't alert enough. Effen Rico.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2022, 07:16:55 PM
Every game we've lost was because Rico wasn't alert enough. Effen Rico.

It’s the burden I carry
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Newsdreams on February 18, 2022, 07:37:33 PM
I’m going to smoke a bowl and pass out
Can I join you?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2022, 07:47:29 PM
Can I join you?

I don’t bogart
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Newsdreams on February 18, 2022, 07:51:44 PM
I don’t bogart
Hey, I think we're all tired here....
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 19, 2022, 01:30:39 AM
Can I join you?

Puerto Uncle Rico?  I smell a coup.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 19, 2022, 11:54:10 AM
UConn outplaying and outhustling the X.  Every time I see X, they look terrible
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BM1090 on February 19, 2022, 12:00:55 PM
UConn outplaying and outhustling the X.  Every time I see X, they look terrible

Assuming this result holds, the top five teams in conference are beginning to gain some separation.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 19, 2022, 12:29:29 PM
Assuming this result holds, the top five teams in conference are beginning to gain some separation.

Xavier seems like a safe bet for the tournament but their schedule isn’t a piece of cake down the stretch.

@Providence
vs. Seton Hall
@ St. John’s
vs. G’Town

1-3 is entirely possible
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 19, 2022, 12:34:15 PM
And then X comes out on 14-5 run to make it an 8 point game
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 19, 2022, 12:38:37 PM
And then X comes out on 14-5 run to make it an 8 point game


That’ll cost them a seed line. Wonder if Hurley put his bench in too early?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 19, 2022, 12:39:30 PM

That’ll cost them a seed line. Wonder if Hurley put his bench in too early?

Nah, they got sloppy
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: fjm on February 19, 2022, 12:51:27 PM

That’ll cost them a seed line. Wonder if Hurley put his bench in too early?
I laughed at this.

But I don’t think we would be laughing if we end up as a 8 seed and lose first round when we could a been a 7 or 6 seed.

But keep fighting the good? Fight.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on February 19, 2022, 12:53:06 PM
I laughed at this.

But I don’t think we would be laughing if we end up as a 8 seed and lose first round when we could a been a 7 or 6 seed.

But keep fighting the good? Fight.

As someone mentioned - the butler loss will be much more of a dark shadow than not beating gtown by 40.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on February 19, 2022, 01:03:25 PM
I laughed at this.

But I don’t think we would be laughing if we end up as a 8 seed and lose first round when we could a been a 7 or 6 seed.

But keep fighting the good? Fight.

I’m not really fighting a fight. Just being annoying.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: GooooMarquette on February 19, 2022, 01:11:06 PM
Every game we've lost was because Rico wasn't alert enough. Effen Rico.


We’re totally screwed if Rico is still munchin’ Cheetos at game time tomorrow.

Muggsy - can you get to Rico’s first thing in the morning with a triple shot cortado?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 19, 2022, 01:14:51 PM
Better effort from X in the 2nd half but still come up short against the ‘on
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on February 19, 2022, 05:23:00 PM
Georgetown still in the game at Villanova.  6 point game at the second half under 16.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 19, 2022, 05:47:09 PM
Within 3. Under 8 minutes on FOX.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 19, 2022, 05:49:34 PM
Within 3. Under 8 minutes on FOX.

Hoyas are 6-12 from the FT line, Wildcats are 14-15.  Otherwise, pretty evenly matched up statistically today.  Give Hoyas credit for still fighting
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Big Papi on February 19, 2022, 06:14:22 PM
What a catastrophe, Villanova only beat Georgetown by 8.  Nova must have lost at least 2 seed lines.   ::)

A win is a win.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: We R Final Four on February 19, 2022, 06:15:56 PM
Only game I liked in the BE today
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 19, 2022, 06:25:05 PM
Nice to see our flagship team in the conference Nova rack up another win.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 19, 2022, 07:49:19 PM
19-9 Seton Hall leading DePaul with 7 minutes left in the 1st half on FS1. Pretty confident that this game won't end up in a 96-92 final when they last played.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 19, 2022, 08:19:34 PM
19-9 Seton Hall leading DePaul with 7 minutes left in the 1st half on FS1. Pretty confident that this game won't end up in a 96-92 final when they last played.
The Hall up 9 at half
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 19, 2022, 09:28:23 PM
Thrilling finish. Seton Hall wins by 2.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 19, 2022, 10:03:06 PM
Thrilling finish. Seton Hall wins by 2.
It would not surprise me if DePaul goes on a run and wins a couple of games in The Big East Tournament
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on February 20, 2022, 07:25:28 AM
That was some incredibly bad coaching by DePaul. He has 2 timeouts available at the end of the game but let's them play it out instead and gets a runner that barely grazes the rim.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Marquette4life on February 20, 2022, 12:31:11 PM
Cooley &Co. getting killed early at hinkle
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 20, 2022, 12:31:40 PM
Another molten hot start for Butler on the home floor today.  Durham is out for Providence with a sports hernia.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 20, 2022, 12:50:12 PM
Big probs for Providence.  Not having Durham is a huge loss but they're getting their ass whooped.  We'll see what Cooley comes up with in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 20, 2022, 12:59:30 PM
Wow Butler spanking Cooley & Cimpany at half .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on February 20, 2022, 01:08:46 PM
MU catching both Butler and DePaul as they are playing better
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 20, 2022, 01:18:30 PM
MU catching both Butler and DePaul as they are playing better

Butler is dangerous right now.  I sure hope Marquette doesn’t allow this on Saturday.  Let’s get a win today on the road and hold serve at home against the Bulldogs!  Remember, this is the same Butler team that just got run out of the gym by St. John’s.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Oldgym on February 20, 2022, 01:21:28 PM
MU catching both Butler and DePaul as they are playing better

Apart from GU, the bottom tier of the conference is not cooperating down the stretch.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 20, 2022, 01:37:47 PM
Harris is doing the same thing he did against Marquette - hitting big threes with the shot clock winding down.  This Butler team has talent. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 20, 2022, 01:51:09 PM
It’s down to two.  Marquette came back and could never grab the lead.  Let’s see if Providence can do that today. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 20, 2022, 01:56:10 PM
Wow what a terrible foul on Butler.  But three huge misses from Minaya.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 20, 2022, 01:59:03 PM
WOW!  This just got interesting.  But please don't go to overtime.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Oldgym on February 20, 2022, 02:02:56 PM
MU tip at 2:15 Marquette Standard.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 20, 2022, 02:05:00 PM
Looks like OT.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 20, 2022, 02:05:35 PM
What a terrible possesion by Butler.

An Aaron Thompson drive should never be the go to in a D1 basketball game.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 20, 2022, 02:09:19 PM
I believe we start on FS2.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 20, 2022, 02:09:51 PM
I thought the ball went off Bynum's foot when his other foot was out of bounds, which would have given Butler the ball on their offensive baseline with 2.7 or so to go.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: nyg on February 20, 2022, 02:26:07 PM
Butler is dangerous right now.  I sure hope Marquette doesn’t allow this on Saturday.  Let’s get a win today on the road and hold serve at home against the Bulldogs!  Remember, this is the same Butler team that just got run out of the gym by St. John’s.

Up 19 at home and lose to Providence, playing without one of its best players.
The discussion will now return to what it was three weeks ago and the replacement talk of Coach Jordan. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 20, 2022, 02:26:52 PM
Cooley & Company truly dodge a bullet as Butler missed a wide open shot for the win.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 22, 2022, 07:08:58 PM
UConn starting 5/6 shooting. Glad to see it was just not MU.  ::)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on February 22, 2022, 07:34:43 PM
Hurley ejected.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 22, 2022, 07:44:17 PM
Hurley ejected.

That’s was straight BS
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on February 22, 2022, 07:50:16 PM
It was like watching a car sliding down the ice.   The outcome was inevitable.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 22, 2022, 07:51:59 PM
James Breeding. Enough said.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 22, 2022, 07:53:20 PM
That’s was straight BS

That was the worst ejection I’ve seen in some time.  In a shocking development, the officials have made themselves the center of attention in a BE basketball game.  Hurley essentially got tossed for exhorting the crowd after receiving a techinical foul.  The officials didn’t like it and slapped him with a 2nd technical. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 22, 2022, 07:56:20 PM
This is an Old School Big East Basketball game . U Conn up 1 at half over Nova
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on February 22, 2022, 08:08:09 PM
The rematch could be the 2 vs. 3 game at the Big East Tournament.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on February 22, 2022, 08:59:58 PM
Watching Nova isolate Slater on Sanogo makes me think back to them making sure Theo ended up on Gillespie.   
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on February 22, 2022, 09:04:20 PM
Wow.  Grab both of Gillespie's arms, jump ball.   
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 22, 2022, 09:06:10 PM
Nova just got hosed

Worst jump ball call of all time.

Grabbing head, neck and arms is not a tie up.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on February 22, 2022, 09:07:18 PM
Nope.  They can make an even worse call.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on February 22, 2022, 09:08:20 PM
Nova just got hosed

Worst jump ball call of all time.

Grabbing head, neck and arms is not a tie up.

Worst charge call of all
Time ?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Pakuni on February 22, 2022, 09:09:04 PM
Some interesting officiating at the end of that game, huh?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 22, 2022, 09:09:14 PM
Hahah thats just a brutal ending.

Nova shafted
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mu_eyeballs on February 22, 2022, 09:09:27 PM
Yeah makes our foot on the line call seem small...then the charge with a slap down on the hand.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on February 22, 2022, 09:09:37 PM
Wright probably won't punch anyone.   But those two calls were abysmal.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on February 22, 2022, 09:09:45 PM
Worst charge call of all
Time ?
And they confirmed it
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on February 22, 2022, 09:10:17 PM
Cole never even close to had position. That was a total ref show
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 22, 2022, 09:10:39 PM
Wright probably won't punch anyone.   But those two calls were abysmal.

I missed it....how bad are we talking here?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 22, 2022, 09:10:58 PM
Court storm, oh my.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mugrad_89 on February 22, 2022, 09:11:11 PM
Did these refs fly straight from Omaha to Storrs - some horrible calls to close out the game.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on February 22, 2022, 09:11:20 PM
I missed it....how bad are we talking here?
Brutal. Each of them were obviously wrong
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: marquette09 on February 22, 2022, 09:11:30 PM
James breeding had a rough night.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 22, 2022, 09:11:51 PM
Uconn triples down on the bad and storms the court. HAHA
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mugrad_89 on February 22, 2022, 09:11:58 PM
Cole never even close to had position. That was a total ref show

And a major flop by Cole.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on February 22, 2022, 09:12:27 PM
UConn my least favorite team in the conference by quite a wide margin
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mu_eyeballs on February 22, 2022, 09:12:42 PM
I missed it....how bad are we talking here?
The jump ball was 100x worse.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on February 22, 2022, 09:12:46 PM
And they confirmed it

They reviewed the time left on the clock. Can’t review a foul call.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on February 22, 2022, 09:13:12 PM
They reviewed the time left on the clock. Can’t review a foul call.
My bad
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 22, 2022, 09:13:19 PM
6-0 run in the final 20 seconds. I guess those things happen to schools other than Marquette.  ;)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 22, 2022, 09:13:25 PM
Big win for U Conn.

These are the kind of games that make The Big East such a fun conference to watch
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 22, 2022, 09:13:38 PM
UConn my least favorite team in the conference by quite a wide margin

Watched a lot of their games this year, this bitch all the time. Annoying team.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Pakuni on February 22, 2022, 09:14:03 PM
Nova +2 was nearly an epic bad beat.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 22, 2022, 09:14:29 PM
Sounds like Nova got jobbed.  I cannot stand UCONN or D.  Hurley.  Or T. Martin.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on February 22, 2022, 09:15:00 PM
How many threads on scoop if MU lost that way?

And how many times would Clarissa defend the refs?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on February 22, 2022, 09:15:55 PM
How many threads on scoop if MU lost that way?

And how many times would Clarissa defend the refs?
Honestly, your second sentence was the first thought I had when the game was over.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 22, 2022, 09:17:11 PM
Breeding and who else?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Pakuni on February 22, 2022, 09:18:16 PM
How many threads on scoop if MU lost that way?

I'm sure the Nova fans are very nonchalant about it.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mug644 on February 22, 2022, 09:19:59 PM
On the tie up, Gillespie caught the ball and should’ve gone straight into a dribble, before the second defender got there. That woudl’ve ensured a foul. Rather, he immediately held the ball, giving the defense a chance to reach in. I’m not as convinced as others that it was a terrible call. They had been calling the game tight, and this fit the pattern.

The charge call was shyte. Cole was not set. (Though Gillespie was a bit out of control.)

Villanova lost when they could’ve and should’ve won, but it wasn’t that the refs stole it. It wasn’t that they choked. They didn’t execute at the end, and UConn did.

Great game.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 22, 2022, 09:21:37 PM
On the tie up, Gillespie caught the ball and should’ve gone straight into a dribble, before the second defender got there. That woudl’ve ensured a foul. Rather, he immediately held the ball, giving the defense a chance to reach in. I’m not as convinced as others that it was a terrible call. They had been calling the game tight, and this fit the pattern.

The charge call was shyte. Cole was not set. (Though Gillespie was a bit out of control.)

Villanova lost when they could’ve and should’ve won, but it wasn’t that the refs stole it. It wasn’t that they choked. They didn’t execute at the end, and UConn did.

Great game.

Huh?

Calling it tight would had Cole called for 19 fouls
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 22, 2022, 09:31:18 PM
I'm sure the Nova fans are very nonchalant about it.

It helps when you’ve won two National Championships in the last five years and consistently finish first in your conference season after season.  We can only dream of reaching that level of success one day.  Jay Wright is the best coach in the country and I don’t think it’s particularly close.  Shaka’s off to a good start with the Nova sweep! 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 22, 2022, 09:34:13 PM
Yep, those were two bad calls. As someone else said, the jumpball call seemed really bad ... until that horrible charge call. Wow.

Of course, Nova also hurt themselves by missing the front end of a 1-and-1 that would have put them up 6 with very little time remaining.

I didn't see the Hurley ejection. Sounds like that was bogus too. But maybe it helped UConn down the stretch that Hurley was in the locker room - ha!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mug644 on February 22, 2022, 09:38:32 PM
On the tie up, Gillespie caught the ball and should’ve gone straight into a dribble, before the second defender got there. That woudl’ve ensured a foul. Rather, he immediately held the ball, giving the defense a chance to reach in. I’m not as convinced as others that it was a terrible call. They had been calling the game tight, and this fit the pattern.

The charge call was shyte. Cole was not set. (Though Gillespie was a bit out of control.)

Villanova lost when they could’ve and should’ve won, but it wasn’t that the refs stole it. It wasn’t that they choked. They didn’t execute at the end, and UConn did.

Great game.

Huh?

Calling it tight would had Cole called for 19 fouls

I said that poorly. Better to have said that the refs were trying to keep control of the game throughout. Best would’ve been to just leave that sentence/idea out.

So, again, I’m not as convinced as others that it was a terrible call.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 22, 2022, 09:45:44 PM
Yep, those were two bad calls. As someone else said, the jumpball call seemed really bad ... until that horrible charge call. Wow.

Of course, Nova also hurt themselves by missing the front end of a 1-and-1 that would have put them up 6 with very little time remaining.

I didn't see the Hurley ejection. Sounds like that was bogus too. But maybe it helped UConn down the stretch that Hurley was in the locker room - ha!

The Hurley ejection was beyond bogus.  An officious crew tossed him with very little reason to do so.  Some things are inscrutable.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 22, 2022, 09:54:18 PM
I said that poorly. Better to have said that the refs were trying to keep control of the game throughout. Best would’ve been to just leave that sentence/idea out.

So, again, I’m not as convinced as others that it was a terrible call.

I think you were right that Gillespie didn't do himself any favors with the way he played it, but it seemed like UConn players made material contact with him while going for the ball.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mug644 on February 22, 2022, 10:04:39 PM
I think you were right that Gillespie didn't do himself any favors with the way he played it, but it seemed like UConn players made material contact with him while going for the ball.

Fair enough. As the play evolved, with Gillespie not dribbling but hugging the ball, it seemed that the UConn players were reaching for the ball. I suppose, yes, they made material contact, yet they (or one at least) had hands (plural) on the ball. No surprise that it was called as it was. Certainly not terrible (like the charge moments later).
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: GooooMarquette on February 22, 2022, 10:17:40 PM

Yep, those were two bad calls. As someone else said, the jumpball call seemed really bad ... until that horrible charge call. Wow.



Yep. The charge call in particular was ridiculous.

And WTF are fans of a program like UConn doing storming the court after that win? Act like you’ve been there before.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: We R Final Four on February 22, 2022, 10:20:53 PM
I had Nova +1 and refs call a foul on the inbound with 2/10 of a second to make sure UConn shoots a 1 and 1. They inbounded the ball……let the game end…..nope lets make sure uconn gets their FTs.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 22, 2022, 10:21:47 PM
Fair enough. As the play evolved, with Gillespie not dribbling but hugging the ball, it seemed that the UConn players were reaching for the ball. I suppose, yes, they made material contact, yet they (or one at least) had hands (plural) on the ball. No surprise that it was called as it was. Certainly not terrible (like the charge moments later).

Excellent. We'll compromise!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mug644 on February 22, 2022, 10:29:48 PM
Excellent. We'll compromise!

Done deal.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on February 22, 2022, 11:40:17 PM
And WTF are fans of a program like UConn doing storming the court after that win? Act like you’ve been there before.

It was the first time in 8 years (since 2014 (https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/boxscores/2014-03-22-connecticut.html)) that UConn beat Nova.  So the last UConn student to see a win vs. Nova is likely around 26 now.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 23, 2022, 12:04:41 AM
Wow.  Finally saw the replay.  That wasn't even close to a charge.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillWarriors on February 23, 2022, 07:13:14 AM
I think you were right that Gillespie didn't do himself any favors with the way he played it, but it seemed like UConn players made material contact with him while going for the ball.

There is no question in my mind the refs knew they might have been overzealous with the Hurley ejection. Gillespie had 3 fouls called on him last night that you just never see. He, and Nova generally, get away with that push with the off arm all the time. Not last night in the second half. It was stunning to see calls go against Nova for a change. They got hosed multiple times down the stretch of that game.

I find UConn and its fans terribly annoying, so that was a disappointing finish to an outstanding game for sure.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillWarriors on February 23, 2022, 07:29:29 AM
It was the first time in 8 years (since 2014 (https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/boxscores/2014-03-22-connecticut.html)) that UConn beat Nova.  So the last UConn student to see a win vs. Nova is likely around 26 now.

I also don't think most people, myself included, realized the impact on the collective ego of that fan base from going from the Big East and national championships to getting beaten regularly and soundly in the AAC. They are re-born being not only back in the Big East, but near the top. We can relate to some degree given the giddy reaction to MU's winning streak after the frustration then/or apathy that had creeped in the last few years. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MarquetteDano on February 23, 2022, 07:42:39 AM
I find UConn and its fans terribly annoying, so that was a disappointing finish to an outstanding game for sure.

Agreed on UConn fans.  They are the same at the BET.  They think their team can never foul.  I know all fans are going to be biased but only Looeyville fans live in a more bizarro world that seem to think refs are there only to call violations against the other team.

Assessment of fans would normally be a subjective exercise,  but I would love if someone calculates the number of boos/jeers of refs per home game.  UConn would have to be up there.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: swoopem on February 23, 2022, 07:44:39 AM
The ending of the game was bad for Nova but didn’t we want UCONN to win? This way Nova stays in 2nd, UCONN 3rd, and then we should have the 4/5 spot and hopefully play Creighton then Providence

I was happy with the results
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 23, 2022, 07:59:53 AM
The ending of the game was bad for Nova but didn’t we want UCONN to win? This way Nova stays in 2nd, UCONN 3rd, and then we should have the 4/5 spot and hopefully play Creighton then Providence

I was happy with the results

I agree with this take. The other factor is that the win moved UConn to 16 in NET. If they can climb one more spot, that puts them into Q1A/Q1A territory which benefits the entire conference. Nova is already top 10 and very unlikely to fall out of the top 15 at this point.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 23, 2022, 08:07:54 AM
Wow.  Finally saw the replay.  That wasn't even close to a charge.
Really, wasn't even close. It was close!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 23, 2022, 08:43:05 AM
The ending of the game was bad for Nova but didn’t we want UCONN to win? This way Nova stays in 2nd, UCONN 3rd, and then we should have the 4/5 spot and hopefully play Creighton then Providence

I was happy with the results

Yes for us personally with BET potential seeding it definitely helped us. One more crack at Creighton and then Providence is our ideal path 100%

With a first round bye obviously included.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 23, 2022, 03:16:45 PM
I like that the Broadcasts of The Big East games have been incorporating more crowd noise . Good for the League
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Viper on February 23, 2022, 05:08:47 PM
It was the first time in 8 years (since 2014 (https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/boxscores/2014-03-22-connecticut.html)) that UConn beat Nova.  So the last UConn student to see a win vs. Nova is likely around 26 now.
…the last Marquette freshmen class to experience a Marquette ncaa tourney win is what, ‘bout 28 now?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 23, 2022, 05:37:38 PM
Cracks me up that Hurley didn’t end up coaching his best win as a coach.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 23, 2022, 06:17:06 PM
St. John's up on Creighton 46-37 on FS1.

Xavier up early on Providence 8-7 on CBSSN.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 23, 2022, 06:17:33 PM
@brew does SJU get in at 11-8?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 23, 2022, 06:30:35 PM
@brew does SJU get in at 11-8?

Currently, t-rank gives them a 3% chance to get a bid but that’s with an expected 9-10 league record.  Get them to 11-8 with wins over X and Quette, that improves it but probably still has them out.

They’re probably worth a penny or two to take a flier on at MSG in a few weeks, though.  Very maddening team
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 23, 2022, 06:43:15 PM
St. John's up on Creighton 46-37 on FS1.

Xavier up early on Providence 8-7 on CBSSN.
X up 28-24
Johnnies up 4 Over Creighton
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 23, 2022, 06:50:53 PM
A major injury to the heart and soul of Creighton’s team.  This is awful.  I feel badly for Nemhard.  His season is probably over.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on February 23, 2022, 06:53:54 PM
A major injury to the heart and soul of Creighton’s team.  This is awful.  I feel badly for Nemhard.  His season is probably over.

Knee?

That really sucks for them. Wonder if the committee uses it against them if he’s out and they stumble late.

Brew gonna lose a lot of sleep, could decimate his S-Curve success
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 23, 2022, 06:55:26 PM
Wrist.  It does not look promising.  Fox refused to show the replay.  That’s never a good sign. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 23, 2022, 07:00:34 PM
Knee?

That really sucks for them. Wonder if the committee uses it against them if he’s out and they stumble late.

Brew gonna lose a lot of sleep, could decimate his S-Curve success

Wrist.  I guess Nemhard mouthed “it’s broken”
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 23, 2022, 07:05:10 PM
https://twitter.com/BannedFan/status/1496648853902274564

it will be interesting to see how CU plays this game out. Emotion could carry them to a big win. They're hanging tough.

However, with a game @PC, and then home against UConn and The Hall, 0-4 could be a realistic finish going into the BET and knock them out of the tourney. 

Payers up to Nemhard.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 23, 2022, 07:05:13 PM
I’ve hit rewind a few times to read his lips.  He did indeed say he broke his wrist.  He knew it right away.  It happened on a play away from the ball.  That’s sad news for Creighton.  You never want to see that. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: We R Final Four on February 23, 2022, 07:19:52 PM
Refs dont want to see STJ lose this one.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 23, 2022, 07:20:22 PM
Ouch. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 23, 2022, 07:33:22 PM
Creighton is up three with five seconds left.  My guess is the Jays foul here.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 23, 2022, 07:36:17 PM
Well St Johns gave that one away.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 23, 2022, 07:36:27 PM
Oh boy.  The Johnnies threw the inbounds pass away.  Creighton gets it back on an unforced turnover.  O’Connell misses a free throw and St John’s gets a nice look to tie it after the rebound.  The three is just off to the left and Creighton steals one after suffering a devastating injury.  This team is resilient!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on February 23, 2022, 07:37:00 PM
MU isn't alone.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 23, 2022, 07:37:15 PM
Well St Johns gave that one away.

that was one hell of a clinic they conducted on how the meltdown and choke away a must-win game. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 23, 2022, 07:38:04 PM
Looks like Champagnie had a brutal outing.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 23, 2022, 07:39:48 PM
Looks like Champagnie had a brutal outing.

both Champ and Wheeler. 4-26 combined.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 23, 2022, 07:40:27 PM
St. John’s fans must drink heavily. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 23, 2022, 07:41:32 PM
Creighton is quite the phlegmatic bunch!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 23, 2022, 07:43:09 PM
MU isn't alone.

Marquette threw away three games.   It's extremely upsetting.  But we will win put before the BET
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on February 23, 2022, 07:50:35 PM
Creighton is quite the phlegmatic bunch!

That dude seems very Jekyll and Hyde. When he’s on he’s on and when he’s off he’s woof.

Seems to me like he’s due for a 30 pt outing against Marquette.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 23, 2022, 08:00:12 PM
Providence and Xavier are in a down to the wire thriller.  All of these BE games seem to play out this way.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: We R Final Four on February 23, 2022, 08:05:02 PM
Would love to see us in a position where a win vs STJ is not necessary.
Go 2-0 into Senior Day.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on February 23, 2022, 08:06:16 PM
Condensation at the Providence game…..
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 23, 2022, 08:07:32 PM
Another slippery floor episode is unfolding in Providence.  The game has been stopped for some time to mop the floor.  Water is now dripping from the top of the building.  This will be awhile.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: statnik on February 23, 2022, 08:08:34 PM
Condensation at the Providence game…..

Is Providence finding another way to squeak out a win?  ;)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dickthedribbler on February 23, 2022, 08:09:29 PM
Gotta think this game could get suspended.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 23, 2022, 08:10:06 PM
Gotta think this game could get suspended.

The roof is leaking.  I’ve seen it all.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: statnik on February 23, 2022, 08:11:09 PM
The roof is leaking.  I’ve seen it all.

Not raining there I don’t believe.  We need to rethink worst stadium in the Big East.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 23, 2022, 08:14:06 PM
It has already cost the home team two points on a bad slip inside the arc that allowed an easy drive and score.  The game has been halted ever since that moment.  There are under three minutes left to play but the water keeps splashing onto the court near both three point lines at the top of the key.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 23, 2022, 08:15:08 PM
They said it's 65 today. Yet, it's 9:15 at night. Why is the building leaking now.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: statnik on February 23, 2022, 08:17:14 PM
They said it's 65 today. Yet, it's 9:15 at night. Why is the building leaking now.

It’s under 40 now based on my weather app, I doubt it’s the warmth.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 23, 2022, 08:17:44 PM
Giant bat relieving himself.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dickthedribbler on February 23, 2022, 08:18:43 PM
At least a bat will eventually fly away.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 23, 2022, 08:23:00 PM
They are going to get this one finished.  It’s another nail biter. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: AlienWarrior on February 23, 2022, 08:28:20 PM
aka barn burner
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 23, 2022, 08:33:39 PM
Kunkel one of those guys who ony makes against us
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 23, 2022, 08:53:04 PM
Double OT.  These games are not for the faint of heart.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: statnik on February 23, 2022, 09:10:14 PM
Lol might happen again.  Big plays every game, whether they run a fluid offense or not.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on February 23, 2022, 09:16:46 PM
Intentional foul? Seriously? BE ref show again
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: forgetful on February 23, 2022, 09:17:02 PM
Well, that's the kind of home cooking I'd like us to see sometime.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: forgetful on February 23, 2022, 09:18:40 PM
How did they not foul there?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 23, 2022, 09:18:54 PM
OMG.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 23, 2022, 09:19:31 PM
Providence failed to foul up three with just two seconds left.  It burned them.  Lol
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on February 23, 2022, 09:20:35 PM
BALL DONT LIE.  Pretty sure Scruggs played on the Xavier teams with David West
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 23, 2022, 09:20:52 PM
Poor CSU and Wyoming fans. They don't get on TV often and their game is already halfway through the second half
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 23, 2022, 09:21:41 PM
Guess we won't be seeing Wyoming-Colorado State.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 23, 2022, 09:21:54 PM
Poor CSU and Wyoming fans. They don't get on TV often and their game is already halfway through the second half

So true. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: We R Final Four on February 23, 2022, 09:22:03 PM
Foul up 3 with 8 seconds……dont foul with 3 seconds.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mugrad_89 on February 23, 2022, 09:24:00 PM
Poor CSU and Wyoming fans. They don't get on TV often and their game is already halfway through the second half

And CBS Sports doesn’t even have a secondary channel to put the game on.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 23, 2022, 09:24:23 PM
Foul up 3 with 8 seconds……dont foul with 3 seconds.
Makes sense.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 23, 2022, 09:28:07 PM
Incredible game. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 23, 2022, 09:30:06 PM
That was the dagger.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 23, 2022, 09:30:18 PM
This game has outlasted your typical NFL affair.  We have a few hours to get to your average MLB game.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 23, 2022, 09:31:51 PM
 Love these Big East Battles
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 23, 2022, 09:33:34 PM
It's incredible how many close games Providence has won.  I think their luck will run out.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 23, 2022, 09:34:36 PM
Great win for Cooley & Company
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on February 23, 2022, 09:35:19 PM
If Butler wins, MU goes 3 for 3 tonight.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 23, 2022, 09:36:28 PM
This game has outlasted your typical NFL affair.  We have a few hours to get to your average MLB game.

Lol!  ;D
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 23, 2022, 09:37:33 PM
If Butler wins, MU goes 3 for 3 tonight.

How's that?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: SaveOD238 on February 23, 2022, 09:39:53 PM
How's that?

We really do NOT want to play in the 6-11 game in the Big Easy Tournament.  This is creating some separation between us (5) and Hall/X (6)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 23, 2022, 09:40:50 PM
We really do NOT want to play in the 6-11 game in the Big Easy Tournament.  This is creating some separation between us (5) and Hall/X (6)

Fair enough but I fully expect to win out.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 23, 2022, 09:41:06 PM
More strange crap happens at The Provi than anywhere else in the Big East.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: AlienWarrior on February 23, 2022, 09:43:01 PM
Yes, the 5 spot looks better after tonight.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on February 23, 2022, 09:45:19 PM
That was awesome.

Cooley made a pretty costly mistake not fouling Scruggs there- it’s almost as if he expected the 88% ft shooter to make it and was caught sleeping imo.

However, his team pulled it out yet again.

Providence and coach Cooley have earned the BE Title, hope (and think) they lock it up at home on Saturday night v Creighton.
The Dunk will be electric and I’ll be watching.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 23, 2022, 09:47:50 PM
Yes, the 5 spot looks better after tonight.

Well I'd rather play Creighton than UCONN if we wind up 4 or 5.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 23, 2022, 09:48:35 PM
Super fast game in Wyoming/CSU. Bad luck for those viewers.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 23, 2022, 09:49:12 PM
Solid win for The Hall over a scrappy Butler Squad
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 23, 2022, 09:50:30 PM
Frankly, Cooley's coaching sucked tonight, at least after I turned on the game with 4 minutes left in regulation.

So much of the time, Bynum or Durham bounced the ball for 28 seconds and ended up hoisting up a prayer. The idiotic foul/no-foul. His team acting as if it had never seen a zone defense. Just about never getting the ball to Watson - not even looking his way.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 23, 2022, 09:52:56 PM
Frankly, Cooley's coaching sucked tonight, at least after I turned on the game with 4 minutes left in regulation.

So much of the time, Bynum or Durham bounced the ball for 28 seconds and ended up hoisting up a prayer. The idiotic foul/no-foul. His team acting as if it had never seen a zone defense. Just about never getting the ball to Watson - not even looking his way.

Their luck will run out.  Despite their seed I don't expect. much from them in the tournament.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: SaveOD238 on February 23, 2022, 09:53:41 PM
With Seton Hall getting the win they are only 1 game behind MU in the conference race (9-7 vs 8-8).  Of course if Marquette wins out they will hold that #5 seed at least.  But even if we end up tied with Hall I think we would win the tiebreaker.  We split with them, but if the next tiebreaker is "best win" we have a W over Providence and two over Nova so we should be set there.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 23, 2022, 09:56:20 PM
With Seton Hall getting the win they are only 1 game behind MU in the conference race (9-7 vs 8-8).  Of course if Marquette wins out they will hold that #5 seed at least.  But even if we end up tied with Hall I think we would win the tiebreaker.  We split with them, but if the next tiebreaker is "best win" we have a W over Providence and two over Nova so we should be set there.


We beat them twice.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 23, 2022, 09:56:37 PM
With Seton Hall getting the win they are only 1 game behind MU in the conference race (9-7 vs 8-8).  Of course if Marquette wins out they will hold that #5 seed at least.  But even if we end up tied with Hall I think we would win the tiebreaker.  We split with them, but if the next tiebreaker is "best win" we have a W over Providence and two over Nova so we should be set there.

We have tiebreaker.

So if we go 1-2(boy I hope not) they have to 3-0.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: AlienWarrior on February 23, 2022, 09:57:34 PM
We swept SH so we own the tie breaker
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: SaveOD238 on February 23, 2022, 09:58:01 PM
We beat them twice.

Yeah realized that as soon as I posted. 

We're in very good shape for the 5 as long as we win at least one.  X or SJU could catch us too, but everything would have to break right for those teams.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on February 23, 2022, 09:59:40 PM
Their luck will run out.  Despite their seed I don't expect. much from them in the tournament.

You are likely right Muggsy, but put their season into a non-metrics perspective…

They are 23-3, 13-2 in the Big East.

That’s a 1 seed in a non metrics centric season. Instead, they are a projected 4 seed… At first thought you might consider them “lucky” because of all their close wins. On the flip side, you could argue they are “unlucky” because those close games, although still wins, coupled by a blowout loss at Marquette is costing them 3 seed lines and giving them a much harder road.

Welcome to an era where computers decide way too much, for good or bad.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 23, 2022, 10:02:30 PM
You are likely right Muggsy, but put their season into a non-metrics perspective…

They are 23-3, 13-2 in the Big East.

That’s a 1 seed in a non metrics centric season. Instead, they are a projected 4 seed… At first thought you might consider them “lucky” because of all their close wins. On the flip side, you could argue they are “unlucky” because those close games, although still wins, coupled by a blowout loss at Marquette is costing them 3 seed lines and giving them a much harder road.

Welcome to an era where computers decide way too much, for good or bad.

I don't care for the computers or analytics in general from a hoops perspective.  I'd still take Shaq in today's game.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 23, 2022, 10:14:18 PM
Well I'd rather play Creighton than UCONN if we wind up 4 or 5.

Agreed, this is why I was pulling for St. John's tonight. UConn and Creighton are now tied for 3-spot and Creighton owns the tiebreaker at the moment. It could all come down to the UConn/Creighton game in Omaha on March 2nd. Winner most likely gets the the three seed.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 23, 2022, 10:19:57 PM
Agreed, this is why I was pulling for St. John's tonight. UConn and Creighton are now tied for 3-spot and Creighton owns the tiebreaker at the moment. It could all come down to the UConn/Creighton game in Omaha on March 2nd. Winner most likely gets the the three seed.

It certainly looks that way alrhough it's conceivable Creighton coukd beat UCONN and go 1-2. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 23, 2022, 10:26:17 PM
It certainly looks that way alrhough it's conceivable Creighton coukd beat UCONN and go 1-2.

Sure. It's also conceivable that Creighton could be UCONN and go 1-2 and UConn could lose one of their 2 other games.

Bottom line, if Marquette wins at least 2 of their remaining 3 (which should absolutely should be expected) they are guaranteed at least the 5 seed. If they win at least 1, then either Seton Hall, St. John's, or both will need to go 3-0 in order to force MU out of the top 5. So let's just take care of business and no one needs to worry about tiebreakers or who to cheer for.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 23, 2022, 10:27:05 PM
Sure. It's also conceivable that Creighton could be UCONN and go 1-2 and UConn could lose one of their 2 other games.

Bottom line, if Marquette wins at least 2 of their remaining 3 (which should absolutely should be expected) they are guaranteed at least the 5 seed. If they win at least 1, then either Seton Hall, St. John's, or both will need to go 3-0 in order to force MU out of the top 5. So let's just take care of business and no one needs to worry about tiebreakers or who to cheer for.

I don't see UCONN losing to Gtown or DePaul at home.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 23, 2022, 10:27:23 PM
Creighton got a tough schedule basically have to go 2-1 to get that 3 seed.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 23, 2022, 10:29:46 PM
If we wind up 4 or 5 and play Creighton I think we're in the perfect position to make a run in the BET.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 23, 2022, 10:32:31 PM
Creighton got a tough schedule basically have to go 2-1 to get that 3 seed.

Ryan Nembhard likely is done with a broken wrist.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 23, 2022, 10:33:58 PM
Ryan Nembhard likely is done with a broken wrist.

Is that official?  Horrible to hear that.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: statnik on February 23, 2022, 10:59:25 PM
Frankly, Cooley's coaching sucked tonight, at least after I turned on the game with 4 minutes left in regulation.

So much of the time, Bynum or Durham bounced the ball for 28 seconds and ended up hoisting up a prayer. The idiotic foul/no-foul. His team acting as if it had never seen a zone defense. Just about never getting the ball to Watson - not even looking his way.

I haven’t watched a whole lot of them this year, has this happened before a lot in their close wins or did they actually run a cohesive offense?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 23, 2022, 11:46:25 PM
I haven’t watched a whole lot of them this year, has this happened before a lot in their close wins or did they actually run a cohesive offense?

I haven't watched them much either, so I'll defer to those who have. Maybe injuries and foul situations (and Xavier's defense?) dictated some of what they did in this one.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on February 24, 2022, 12:00:58 AM
As expected Nemhard is officially out for the season.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PointWarrior on February 24, 2022, 12:47:35 AM
Agree, providence not that as good as record says, won’t make it out of the first weekend of the dance.


Their luck will run out.  Despite their seed I don't expect. much from them in the tournament.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on February 24, 2022, 02:42:31 AM
…the last Marquette freshmen class to experience a Marquette ncaa tourney win is what, ‘bout 28 now?

[wet blanket alert]
That's also the last Shaka Freshman class to witness a NCAA tourney win
[/wba]

Hope he fixes that soon!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 24, 2022, 05:33:04 AM
I don't see UCONN losing to Gtown or DePaul at home.

Sure but it's possible. My guess is UConn beats Creighto and all this doesn't matter anyway.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: willie warrior on February 24, 2022, 06:36:04 AM
Well I'd rather play Creighton than UCONN if we wind up 4 or 5.
There is no difference. They both own Shaka. McDermott outcomes Shaka each time.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 24, 2022, 06:38:57 AM
There is no difference. They both own Shaka. McDermott outcomes Shaka each time.

Lol
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillWarriors on February 24, 2022, 07:13:31 AM
I haven't watched them much either, so I'll defer to those who have. Maybe injuries and foul situations (and Xavier's defense?) dictated some of what they did in this one.

I would say that was unusual down the stretch. They usually don't rely on one guy carrying them so much, and a few have shown the ability and tendency to make big shots down the stretch. Coming out on top with Reeves out and Durham so limited was somewhat surprising, especially with Watson pretty much invisible all night. Xavier played great D on a lot of possession and Prov ends up making a big late in the shot clock shot. They did the same against Butler after being way behind.

As much crap as they are taking for being "lucky," and they certainly are having a charmed season, 23-3 and 13-2 is damn impressive. I don't know that Prov will have a long tourney run, but they deserve props and to enjoy the hell out of an all-time magical season. It's also good for the conf to have someone other than Nova win it outright in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DoctorV on February 24, 2022, 07:49:30 AM
I would say that was unusual down the stretch. They usually don't rely on one guy carrying them so much, and a few have shown the ability and tendency to make big shots down the stretch. Coming out on top with Reeves out and Durham so limited was somewhat surprising, especially with Watson pretty much invisible all night. Xavier played great D on a lot of possession and Prov ends up making a big late in the shot clock shot. They did the same against Butler after being way behind.

As much crap as they are taking for being "lucky," and they certainly are having a charmed season, 23-3 and 13-2 is damn impressive. I don't know that Prov will have a long tourney run, but they deserve props and to enjoy the hell out of an all-time magical season. It's also good for the conf to have someone other than Nova win it outright in my opinion.

^^ this. Their run is good for the conference, it’s nice for Villanova to have some legit challengers.

The BE is a gauntlet and what they’ve accomplished shouldn’t be undervalued.

As for the future, well the key to their NCAA success probably lands in the hands of Bynum. He was fantastic last night, and has been the entire month
He’s averaging 23 ppg! along with 4apg and getting involved in the rebounding and steals categories. Shooting 59% from 3 during the stretch.

If he cools off or has a bad game they can still survive and advance based on their defense and other parts. They will not have a good tournament run without him having a good tournament, however.

If Marquette had a pg, or any guard for that matter, with a 5 game stretch that’s anywhere close to that we would be in serious business.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 24, 2022, 07:52:06 AM
I would say that was unusual down the stretch. They usually don't rely on one guy carrying them so much, and a few have shown the ability and tendency to make big shots down the stretch. Coming out on top with Reeves out and Durham so limited was somewhat surprising, especially with Watson pretty much invisible all night. Xavier played great D on a lot of possession and Prov ends up making a big late in the shot clock shot. They did the same against Butler after being way behind.

As much crap as they are taking for being "lucky," and they certainly are having a charmed season, 23-3 and 13-2 is damn impressive. I don't know that Prov will have a long tourney run, but they deserve props and to enjoy the hell out of an all-time magical season. It's also good for the conf to have someone other than Nova win it outright in my opinion.

True. Give them credit rather than constantly beating the "they're just lucky" drum. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 24, 2022, 07:53:25 AM
There is no difference. They both own Shaka. McDermott outcomes Shaka each time.

Look guys, Eeyore is back.  If all you feel about Marquette basketball is sadness, maybe find something else to occupy your time.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 24, 2022, 08:06:19 AM
True. Give them credit rather than constantly beating the "they're just lucky" drum.

I’d rather be lucky than on the bubble
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 24, 2022, 11:37:11 AM
Look guys, Eeyore is back.  If all you feel about Marquette basketball is sadness, maybe find something else to occupy your time.

Good ol' Joyless Willie.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 24, 2022, 01:15:00 PM
Good ol' Joyless Willie.

Willie is the guy who questions why the manager brought in a closer who just saved 45 straight games and finally blows one and asks why the manager used him
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Its DJOver on February 24, 2022, 07:53:20 PM
The last 20 seconds of that half was the most Georgetown and DePaul thing ever.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on February 24, 2022, 07:53:52 PM
At the half: 19 combined field goals, 21 turnovers.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on February 24, 2022, 08:02:24 PM
looks like a sun belt game
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 24, 2022, 08:25:40 PM
The last 20 seconds of that half was the most Georgetown and DePaul thing ever.

But those one handed free throws though
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 24, 2022, 08:47:28 PM
Chick Hernandez and Pete Gillen earning their pay by exhibiting enthusiasm for this game
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 24, 2022, 09:14:34 PM
Gtown just can't buy a win
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 24, 2022, 09:14:42 PM
Chick Hernandez and Pete Gillen earning their pay by exhibiting enthusiasm for this game

"They both played like winners tonight"

Tough loss for Georgetown
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on February 24, 2022, 09:27:56 PM
most illrelevent big east game in history? georegtown continues its historicly bad season. absolute rock bottom for the program
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on February 24, 2022, 09:40:20 PM
With a one point lead in the final 2:15, Georgetown misses seven consecutive shots.

Announced attendance: 4,028.

CBS gets Georgetown-UConn on the national game of the week Sunday.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on February 24, 2022, 09:57:31 PM
Tonight was probably Georgetown's last realistic chance for a Big East win. They will likely be double digit underdogs in their remaining games and their first BET game will be against a Xavier or Seton Hall team in need of a win.

At best, Georgetown could win 3 conference games. The last time they won only 3 conference games was 1937 in the short-lived Eastern Intercollegiate Conference. They haven't hit rock bottom yet either, they went 1-7 in the EIC in 1935. Ewing could bring them their first ever oh-fer in conference play.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mileskishnish72 on February 24, 2022, 10:31:44 PM
How can he not resign/be fired?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on February 24, 2022, 10:44:09 PM
Tonight was probably Georgetown's last realistic chance for a Big East win. They will likely be double digit underdogs in their remaining games and their first BET game will be against a Xavier or Seton Hall team in need of a win.

At best, Georgetown could win 3 conference games. The last time they won only 3 conference games was 1937 in the short-lived Eastern Intercollegiate Conference. They haven't hit rock bottom yet either, they went 1-7 in the EIC in 1935. Ewing could bring them their first ever oh-fer in conference play.

So what you're saying is that you don't think they'll sweep through the conference tournament this year? Oh ye of little faith!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on February 24, 2022, 11:00:50 PM
Tonight was probably Georgetown's last realistic chance for a Big East win. They will likely be double digit underdogs in their remaining games and their first BET game will be against a Xavier or Seton Hall team in need of a win.

At best, Georgetown could win 3 conference games. The last time they won only 3 conference games was 1937 in the short-lived Eastern Intercollegiate Conference. They haven't hit rock bottom yet either, they went 1-7 in the EIC in 1935. Ewing could bring them their first ever oh-fer in conference play.

Nice reference to the EIC--not a lot of people know about it.

Some trivia about those years--Georgetown had quietly ended all athletic scholarships after 1931 and the respective teams (football, basketball, baseball) teams sank accordingly. In the fall of 1935, scholarships were returned. By 1938 football began a 23 game win streak that ended with the 1941 Orange Bowl, and by 1939 Georgetown as the basketball co-champion in the last year of the EIC, a rather competitive conference which included Pitt, Penn State, Carnegie Tech, Temple and West Virginia. (This would also have made a nice all-sports conference but that was not the thinking way back when.)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 26, 2022, 03:29:16 PM
I assume we want X today?  Not a good half for them.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 26, 2022, 03:42:08 PM
X is a team in complete disarray
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 26, 2022, 04:22:46 PM
I assume we want X today?  Not a good half for them.

The Hall up 11 5:53

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on February 26, 2022, 04:23:12 PM
Xavier has their wojo.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 26, 2022, 04:25:49 PM
X has severe probs.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 26, 2022, 04:26:07 PM
Xavier has their wojo.

Don't think he survives this year.

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 26, 2022, 04:27:55 PM
I like The Hall Road uniforms.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 26, 2022, 04:28:15 PM
Don't think he survives this year.

Xavier is not going to fire a coach who makes the ncaa tournament.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 26, 2022, 04:30:26 PM
Xavier is not going to fire a coach who makes the ncaa tournament.


Agreed...but depending on how they feel about Chris Mack coming back...I could see an exception being made
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 26, 2022, 04:33:46 PM
Creighton has 3 tough games without Nemhard.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 26, 2022, 04:36:02 PM
Lots of good hair in The Hall X game
Richmond,Rhoden for the Hall

Edwards, Jones for X
 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 26, 2022, 04:42:38 PM
Scruggs has basically been the exact same player for 4 years.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on February 26, 2022, 04:43:46 PM

Agreed...but depending on how they feel about Chris Mack coming back...I could see an exception being made

So much talent and so little to show for it. I’d make the move yesterday if I were them.

Steele has done less with more pretty much every season.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on February 26, 2022, 04:45:47 PM
A couple of posts from their message board sound awfully familiar:

“Students just chanted “fire Steele”. Guessing someone told them to stop. Didn’t last long but was clearly audible. Hard to argue with them. That’s the first time I have ever heard chants to fire our coach before. Sad state of this program.”

“For the first time in my life I’m hoping X loses out , this will force Christopher’s hand. Steele has to go and we need to start the rebuild, hopefully with Sean Miller.”
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on February 26, 2022, 04:53:35 PM
Scruggs has basically been the exact same player for 4 years.
Feels like 10.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 26, 2022, 04:56:01 PM
What are realistic expectations at Xavier?  Serious question.  To become Villanova is the goal but it’s not that simple. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: nyg on February 26, 2022, 05:00:56 PM
Lots of good hair in The Hall X game
Richmond,Rhoden for the Hall

Edwards, Jones for X

Heck with the hair.

How was the crowd noise on TV?  Did it help the BE "Cause"?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 26, 2022, 05:09:45 PM
Heck with the hair.

How was the crowd noise on TV?  Did it help the BE "Cause"?
Yes the crowd noise has definitely been helping The Big East Cause. Today The Hall shut down the crowd noise though and the fans left early.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: nyg on February 26, 2022, 05:10:49 PM
Yes the crowd noise has definitely been helping The Big East Cause. Today The Hall shut down the crowd noise though and the fans left early.

Solid.....
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 26, 2022, 05:32:06 PM
Scruggs has basically been the exact same player for 4 years.

5 years.  Unless your saying his last change was after his freshman year
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on February 26, 2022, 08:31:11 PM
https://twitter.com/robdauster/status/1497701815462375426?s=21
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhiteTrash on February 26, 2022, 09:01:36 PM
A couple of posts from their message board sound awfully familiar:

“Students just chanted “fire Steele”. Guessing someone told them to stop. Didn’t last long but was clearly audible. Hard to argue with them. That’s the first time I have ever heard chants to fire our coach before. Sad state of this program.”

“For the first time in my life I’m hoping X loses out , this will force Christopher’s hand. Steele has to go and we need to start the rebuild, hopefully with Sean Miller.”
I guess I wouldn't blame X for making a change but Sean Miller? He's probably too dirty for even KU or Baylor or Memphis or LSU. I can't stand cheaters and don't want them in the BE.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 26, 2022, 09:02:31 PM
Cooley & Company up 14 over a spirited  Bluejay squad playing without Nembhard

John Fanta on the call , always fun
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Superfan on February 26, 2022, 09:07:21 PM
Looking ahead to the BE tourney and conference standings. Creighton has two difficult games left and we have two easier games. What happens if both teams and up with the same conference record? What is the tiebreaker to determine who finished in fourth place?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 26, 2022, 09:29:15 PM
Fans storming the court

Cooley & Company with their first ever Big East Regular Season title
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 26, 2022, 09:30:30 PM
Pretty cool post-game at the Dunk.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 26, 2022, 09:39:27 PM
Looking ahead to the BE tourney and conference standings. Creighton has two difficult games left and we have two easier games. What happens if both teams and up with the same conference record? What is the tiebreaker to determine who finished in fourth place?

They beat us twice so they have the tiebreaker.  Ideally we want to play them in them in the 4/5.  I'm pretty sure UCONN will secure #3.  It is conceivable Seton Hall will play us in the 4/5.   My guess is we will play Creighton in the BET and be in perfect position to make some noise.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mugrad_89 on February 26, 2022, 09:41:18 PM
Pretty cool post-game at the Dunk.

Congrats to the Friars.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on February 26, 2022, 10:57:27 PM
“Students just chanted “fire Steele”. Guessing someone told them to stop. Didn’t last long but was clearly audible. Hard to argue with them. That’s the first time I have ever heard chants to fire our coach before. Sad state of this program.”

I don't expect that tomorrow at the Georgetown game. UConn fans will make enough noise on their own.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Newsdreams on February 27, 2022, 10:03:21 AM
Congrats to the Friars Cooley & Company.
FIFY
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: tower912 on February 27, 2022, 10:05:16 AM
Could we call them 'Ners? '

ProvideNcE friaRS.

Asking for a friend.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Newsdreams on February 27, 2022, 10:24:37 AM
Could we call them 'Ners? '

ProvideNcE friaRS.

Asking for a friend.
The Dence?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on February 27, 2022, 12:35:50 PM
Another small crowd at Georgetown.

https://twitter.com/ChrisCillizza/status/1498003232781709318
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Viper on February 27, 2022, 02:36:08 PM
Another week from insufferable Badgers as RED goes top 10.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: wadesworld on February 27, 2022, 03:20:17 PM
Another week from insufferable Badgers as RED goes top 10.

Which has…what to do with the Big East?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 27, 2022, 03:27:53 PM
U Conn with a solid road victory over a hungry Georgetown squad
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 27, 2022, 03:35:39 PM
U Conn with a solid road victory over a hungry Georgetown squad

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3gPKkEhk8IYwNV3sJI/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 27, 2022, 03:39:32 PM
Another week from insufferable Badgers as RED goes top 10.





Hate four y'all ta pee down each udder's legs, butt Bucky deserves ta bea wranked wear dayer at, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 27, 2022, 04:13:00 PM




Hate four y'all ta pee down each udder's legs, butt Bucky deserves ta bea wranked wear dayer at, hey?

Agreed. They keep taking care of business are are now first in the Big Ten. Winning at Rutgers is no small feat. I hope Purdue can knock them off Tuesday.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on February 27, 2022, 04:15:24 PM
Marquette's next two opponents playing each other right now on FS1.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 27, 2022, 04:39:02 PM
Marquette's next two opponents playing each other right now on FS1.

It’s all offense all the time in this one.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: We R Final Four on February 27, 2022, 04:42:43 PM




Hate four y'all ta pee down each udder's legs, butt Bucky deserves ta bea wranked wear dayer at, hey?
Who said otherwise?
Most of us don’t like it, but haven’t seen scoopers saying the shouldn’t be ranked where they are. But keep defending ole Bucky.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 27, 2022, 05:42:15 PM
DePaul shooting 60% 32 minutes into this game.

Get it out of your system for Wednesday!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 27, 2022, 05:56:38 PM
DePaul has two very talented offensive players.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 27, 2022, 06:17:56 PM
DePaul wins.

Our magic number for the bye is now a softer 1 between just us and SHU. SJU out of the running.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Jables1604 on February 27, 2022, 06:26:26 PM
Could we call them 'Ners? '

ProvideNcE friaRS.

Asking for a friend.
Depends...could they dunk in high school?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on February 27, 2022, 06:32:39 PM
DePaul wins.

Our magic number for the bye is now a softer 1 between just us and SHU. SJU out of the running.

We couldn't be in better position if we play Creighton in the 4/5.  I think we have time to get our Mojo back.  I really hope we have the opportunity to play Providence again.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on February 27, 2022, 06:54:09 PM
Coach Stubblefield is bringing energy to DePaul. Solid win over The Johnnies today.

We can't let our guard down against the Blue Demons.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 27, 2022, 07:12:21 PM
St John’s mailing it in on D.

Rumors that mega booster Mike Repole (Vitamin Water and BodyArmor) is courting Sean Miller and willing to pay up. He’s had a poor relationship with SJ but with a new President that could be changing. He flew to Gainesville to offer Billy Donovan $3 million when they hired Lavin.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: bradforster on February 27, 2022, 07:27:27 PM
St John’s mailing it in on D.

Rumors that mega booster Mike Repole (Vitamin Water and BodyArmor) is courting Sean Miller and willing to pay up. He’s had a poor relationship with SJ but with a new President that could be changing. He flew to Gainesville to offer Billy Donovan $3 million when they hired Lavin.

This is from 2019.  He's not afraid to state his opinion on the state of the school and its basketball program - that's for sure.

https://nypost.com/2019/04/17/st-johns-booster-mike-repole-goes-scorched-earth-national-embarrassment/


Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Viper on February 27, 2022, 09:36:42 PM
Which has…what to do with the Big East?
absolutely nothing
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on February 28, 2022, 10:18:37 AM
St John’s mailing it in on D.

Rumors that mega booster Mike Repole (Vitamin Water and BodyArmor) is courting Sean Miller and willing to pay up. He’s had a poor relationship with SJ but with a new President that could be changing. He flew to Gainesville to offer Billy Donovan $3 million when they hired Lavin.

The problems at St. John's predate Mike Anderson by two decades. Not only have the Redmen not won a title in 22 years, they haven't made it out of the quarterfinals since 2000, for three consistent reasons:

1. Insufficient recruiting in NYC and a lack of recruiting contacts outside it.
2. The style of play lends to no consistent player development.
3. Player retention. Very few stay even three years at St. John's so it's constant rinse and repeat.

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 28, 2022, 12:40:31 PM
The problems at St. John's predate Mike Anderson by two decades. Not only have the Redmen not won a title in 22 years, they haven't made it out of the quarterfinals since 2000, for three consistent reasons:

1. Insufficient recruiting in NYC and a lack of recruiting contacts outside it.
2. The style of play lends to no consistent player development.
3. Player retention. Very few stay even three years at St. John's so it's constant rinse and repeat.

It all started with Jarvis. His burning bridges with NYC coaches and the sanctions decimated the program. The hiring of Roberts was all about cleaning up the program more than winning and NYC coaches knew they could exert power over him, a game he wasn't willing to play. Lav had it moving in the right direction with recruiting and he did develop players, but his cancer diagnosis, combined with the death of his father, sapped his energy. Then bad leadership at the top of the school forced Mullin upon them and that blew up like Ewing is blowing up on you guys.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 01, 2022, 07:04:31 AM
Another small crowd at Georgetown.

https://twitter.com/ChrisCillizza/status/1498003232781709318

Ewing wants to be back

https://www.audacy.com/wfan/sports/knicks/patrick-ewing-job-in-danger-as-hoyas-skid-reaches-record-18?utm_campaign=www.audacy.com%252Fwfan&utm_content=1646059400&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_term=WFAN-AM&fbclid=IwAR01BID--4KtEvgnj6LCcQDELWLstLlT9t8Fbp3buWsWwYD84mRpb8bSigY
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 01, 2022, 07:15:21 AM
So much for my prediction that Ewing will "do the right thing" for his beloved Hoyas. This is going to get really messy. I wonder how many of his current players will transfer at the end of this total fiasco of a season.

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 01, 2022, 08:34:21 AM
So much for my prediction that Ewing will "do the right thing" for his beloved Hoyas. This is going to get really messy. I wonder how many of his current players will transfer at the end of this total fiasco of a season.

I'm really torn on how I think that this will go. On the one hand, this seems to me like Ewing trying to gain a little leverage to bump his buyout. Hopefully he'll make a couple comments like this, and then Georgetown will step up to the table with some cash and they'll reach an agreement and Ewing will gracefully resign. On the other hand, I wonder if Ewing is willing to let it go or if Georgetown is willing to pay. I know there is some thought that he got an extension last year and the buyout might be expensive. In the long run, though, I think Georgetown would be better off if they just pull off the band-aid.

Ultimately, I think he'll step down.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: wadesworld on March 01, 2022, 09:28:40 AM
So much for my prediction that Ewing will "do the right thing" for his beloved Hoyas. This is going to get really messy. I wonder how many of his current players will transfer at the end of this total fiasco of a season.

Is it a bad thing if their players transfer?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 01, 2022, 10:24:38 AM
Is it a bad thing if their players transfer?

Not at all. Actually, if Ewing is serious about thinking that Georgetown will give him another year, the departure of players may make it easier for GT to say "no way!" to Ewing.

Georgetown under Ewing will almost certainly continue to be a drain on the BE as well as an embarrassment. There is little to gain by beating them unless you blow them out. Marquette's NET got dinged for not beating them by a wider margin. The sooner Ewing is gone, the better for the BE.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: wadesworld on March 01, 2022, 10:35:11 AM
Not at all. Actually, if Ewing is serious about thinking that Georgetown will give him another year, the departure of players may make it easier for GT to say "no way!" to Ewing.

Georgetown under Ewing will almost certainly continue to be a drain on the BE as well as an embarrassment. There is little to gain by beating them unless you blow them out. Marquette's NET got dinged for not beating them by a wider margin. The sooner Ewing is gone, the better for the BE.

I meant is it a bad thing for Ewing if his players transfer?  His players aren't very good anyway.  If they're gone, so what?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on March 01, 2022, 10:50:35 AM
I'd take Aminu Mohammed for sure - he'd thrive in Shaka's system, as would a couple of their other wings. I'd also take my chances on one of GU's 6-10+ guys.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 01, 2022, 10:51:09 AM
Not at all. Actually, if Ewing is serious about thinking that Georgetown will give him another year, the departure of players may make it easier for GT to say "no way!" to Ewing.

Georgetown under Ewing will almost certainly continue to be a drain on the BE as well as an embarrassment. There is little to gain by beating them unless you blow them out. Marquette's NET got dinged for not beating them by a wider margin. The sooner Ewing is gone, the better for the BE.

Georgetown is a really strange place because, in my experience (fwiw), they are extremely frugal (read "cheap") in almost all things -- except MBB.* So, I'm really struggling to decide what I think they will do. They really need to end it...not sure whether they will.


* This was my first thought when Herman referenced a "hungry Georgetown squad" upthread -- some Georgetown squads might well be literally hungry on game day, but probably not the MBB team.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 01, 2022, 11:03:49 AM
I meant is it a bad thing for Ewing if his players transfer?  His players aren't very good anyway.  If they're gone, so what?

OK, now I catch your drift. If I had a second mug of coffee this morning, I would have seen it after the first reading.

It still is a really bad look for Ewing. He's the guy who brought them in. This reminds me of something (business related, but it works here) someone told me years ago. "If you fire someone and say 'he never was any good anyway', what you are really saying is 'I don't know how to hire'.

Ewing's track record for retaining talent is one of his biggest problems. And if he loses Mohammed, I disagree about that player "not being very good". He's not the only one that is capable of being a good player on another team, under a different coach, but I am not interested in getting into evaluating GT's players one at a time beyond Mohammed.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on March 01, 2022, 12:41:40 PM
I meant is it a bad thing for Ewing if his players transfer?  His players aren't very good anyway.  If they're gone, so what?

I think it is. While his players aren't very good, he hasn't been great in the transfer portal and his 2022 recruiting class is pretty mediocre and there aren't really any big difference makers he could bring in at this point.

Transfers have been the biggest constant in the downward spiral of Ewing's tenure. The Hoyas went 19-14 in 2019 and were hoping to be a tourney team in 2020 but there was all the nonsense that led to Akinjo, Leblanc, and Alexander all leaving which led to Ewing's first losing record. Then after the COVID cancelled year, they lose McClung (who ends up in the NBA) and only due to their MSG miracle were they able to salvage what had been a 9-12 season. Now this year, they lose Wahab and Sibley (Wahab clearly the bigger deal) and are one of the worst teams in the history of the Big East.

They are likely to lose Donald Carey and Kaiden Rice. If Aminu Muhammed and anyone else went out the door, their already inept talent would be even more challenged. If Ewing does run it back and transfers hit them as hard as they have the past couple seasons, next year's Georgetown team could be far worse. As bad as they are, I don't think this is rock bottom if they stick with Ewing.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Equalizer on March 01, 2022, 01:56:08 PM
Not at all. Actually, if Ewing is serious about thinking that Georgetown will give him another year, the departure of players may make it easier for GT to say "no way!" to Ewing.

Georgetown under Ewing will almost certainly continue to be a drain on the BE as well as an embarrassment. There is little to gain by beating them unless you blow them out. Marquette's NET got dinged for not beating them by a wider margin. The sooner Ewing is gone, the better for the BE.

Is it really?  In conference, the Big East is a zero-sum game. If they don't lose 17 games, someone else is going to have to pick up those losses. The bid-maximizing formula for the league is for a handful of teams to absorb as many of the league's losses as possible.  The more losses Georgetown takes, the more likely it is that Xaiver or Seton Hall have a shot at making the tourney.

Georgetown's favor of absorbing all the losses is a big part as to why the league is on the verge of seven NCAA bids, equalling the largest number of teams making the tournament since the restructuring.  That's hardly an embarrassment for the league.   Obviously it is for Georgetown, but if they didn't lose someone else would have to.

Nothing could be better for the Big East than for Georgetown to continue to absorb the league's losses. Especially now that it looks like DePaul might actually be getting serious about trying to win.





Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on March 01, 2022, 02:10:28 PM
So much for my prediction that Ewing will "do the right thing" for his beloved Hoyas. This is going to get really messy. I wonder how many of his current players will transfer at the end of this total fiasco of a season.
Mohammed to MU
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on March 01, 2022, 03:17:47 PM
Is it really?  In conference, the Big East is a zero-sum game. If they don't lose 17 games, someone else is going to have to pick up those losses. The bid-maximizing formula for the league is for a handful of teams to absorb as many of the league's losses as possible.  The more losses Georgetown takes, the more likely it is that Xaiver or Seton Hall have a shot at making the tourney.

Agreed. The dream scenario is to have your bottom feeders like that 2020 DePaul team. Go 12-1 in non-con, then lose to everyone in league play (except Marquette...doh). I think in terms of bid maximization, you want 3 teams that are absolutely terrible and everyone else to be good. If your top 8 teams are banking 5-6 wins off the bottom 3, they only need to go 5-9 against the rest of the league to have a legit shot at a bid.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 01, 2022, 03:22:40 PM
Agreed. The dream scenario is to have your bottom feeders like that 2020 DePaul team. Go 12-1 in non-con, then lose to everyone in league play (except Marquette...doh). I think in terms of bid maximization, you want 3 teams that are absolutely terrible and everyone else to be good. If your top 8 teams are banking 5-6 wins off the bottom 3, they only need to go 5-9 against the rest of the league to have a legit shot at a bid.

Yes, but not "absolutely terrible".  NET under 150 (?) so they are eminently beatable by the tourney-worthy teams in the conference and can win some decent non-con games.  If they are absolutely terrible our net suffers when we beat them by only 10 points.

Brew77, you're the NET guy--what would you say would be the ideal NET range for the bottom three in order to maximize bids for the other eight?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 01, 2022, 03:42:48 PM
Is it really?  In conference, the Big East is a zero-sum game. If they don't lose 17 games, someone else is going to have to pick up those losses. The bid-maximizing formula for the league is for a handful of teams to absorb as many of the league's losses as possible.  The more losses Georgetown takes, the more likely it is that Xaiver or Seton Hall have a shot at making the tourney.

Georgetown's favor of absorbing all the losses is a big part as to why the league is on the verge of seven NCAA bids, equalling the largest number of teams making the tournament since the restructuring.  That's hardly an embarrassment for the league.   Obviously it is for Georgetown, but if they didn't lose someone else would have to.

Nothing could be better for the Big East than for Georgetown to continue to absorb the league's losses. Especially now that it looks like DePaul might actually be getting serious about trying to win.

When a team is as bad as GT, of what value is a win? If you do not blow them out, you can get dinged in your NET as we did. I get that a couple of teams being the perennial cellar dwellers helps out the teams above them, but a "200 something" team?

Edit: I think Marquette will be in the top three next year. If the bottom becomes stronger, but not strong enough to beat us (a big if admittedly), we move up in NET rating. Also, we could afford a few somewhat close wins over the bottom teams without needing to blow them out.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 01, 2022, 04:08:26 PM
Is it really?  In conference, the Big East is a zero-sum game. If they don't lose 17 games, someone else is going to have to pick up those losses. The bid-maximizing formula for the league is for a handful of teams to absorb as many of the league's losses as possible.  The more losses Georgetown takes, the more likely it is that Xaiver or Seton Hall have a shot at making the tourney.

Georgetown's favor of absorbing all the losses is a big part as to why the league is on the verge of seven NCAA bids, equalling the largest number of teams making the tournament since the restructuring.  That's hardly an embarrassment for the league.   Obviously it is for Georgetown, but if they didn't lose someone else would have to.

Nothing could be better for the Big East than for Georgetown to continue to absorb the league's losses. Especially now that it looks like DePaul might actually be getting serious about trying to win.

Agreed. The dream scenario is to have your bottom feeders like that 2020 DePaul team. Go 12-1 in non-con, then lose to everyone in league play (except Marquette...doh). I think in terms of bid maximization, you want 3 teams that are absolutely terrible and everyone else to be good. If your top 8 teams are banking 5-6 wins off the bottom 3, they only need to go 5-9 against the rest of the league to have a legit shot at a bid.

I agree with this analysis
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on March 01, 2022, 04:19:41 PM
Yes, but not "absolutely terrible".  NET under 150 (?) so they are eminently beatable by the tourney-worthy teams in the conference and can win some decent non-con games.  If they are absolutely terrible our net suffers when we beat them by only 10 points.

Brew77, you're the NET guy--what would you say would be the ideal NET range for the bottom three in order to maximize bids for the other eight?

When I say absolutely terrible, I just mean in terms of league record. Win non-con, then lose everything once the calendar turns.

Ideally top-135. That makes it a Q2 road game, which helps if you get it but doesn't hurt much if you don't, and no worse than a Q3 on any floor.

While it's easy to hope for teams in the 60-75 range at the bottom, the Big 12 is seeing the drawback there. Oklahoma, K-State, and West Virginia are all probably good enough to be tourney teams, but the league cannibalized them and had TCU not beat Texas Tech this past week, the 8-bid Big 12 dream could've been down to 5. Like you said, "absolutely terrible" is hyperbole, but you also don't want your bad teams good enough to cost seeds or bids.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Equalizer on March 01, 2022, 05:20:41 PM
When a team is as bad as GT, of what value is a win? If you do not blow them out, you can get dinged in your NET as we did. I get that a couple of teams being the perennial cellar dwellers helps out the teams above them, but a "200 something" team?

Edit: I think Marquette will be in the top three next year. If the bottom becomes stronger, but not strong enough to beat us (a big if admittedly), we move up in NET rating. Also, we could afford a few somewhat close wins over the bottom teams without needing to blow them out.

If you want to see what this looks like in reality, look at the ACC this year. The two teams tied for last (Georgia Tech and NC State) each have four wins.  The worst NET team (Pitt) has six wins in conference.  Their cellar is winning enough games to have some semblance of respectability with respect to conference records.

So is the rest of the ACC reaping the NET rewards that come from having more strength at the bottom of their conference? 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on March 01, 2022, 07:22:55 PM
Nothing could be better for the Big East than for Georgetown to continue to absorb the league's losses. Especially now that it looks like DePaul might actually be getting serious about trying to win.

Disagree but It's hard for now to argue otherwise. It won't be good for the Big East if Georgetown is playing at the DC Armory before 1,500 a game next year, either.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: We R Final Four on March 01, 2022, 08:10:02 PM
Someone needs to be in last place.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on March 01, 2022, 08:55:58 PM
Someone needs to be in last place.

Well, it needs to be someone else. Georgetown spends $13.8 million a year and if last place is all they are capable of, dropping their budget to that of the football team ($2.0 million) might get some attention and a little more care and concern.

Anyway, I nominate Butler to take their place.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on March 01, 2022, 08:59:42 PM
Well, it needs to be someone else. Georgetown spends $13.8 million a year and if last place is all they are capable of, dropping their budget to that of the football team ($2.0 million) might get some attention and a little more care and concern.

Anyway, I nominate Butler to take their place.


If Georgetown doesn’t fire Ewing, they deserve the basement.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on March 01, 2022, 09:00:15 PM
Mohammed to MU

If “MU” is a G league or NBA team, then sure.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: We R Final Four on March 01, 2022, 09:14:42 PM
Well, it needs to be someone else. Georgetown spends $13.8 million a year and if last place is all they are capable of, dropping their budget to that of the football team ($2.0 million) might get some attention and a little more care and concern.

Anyway, I nominate Butler to take their place.
Didnt mean to offend. I hear it every year. It is more commentary on the scoopers who pick Team X….and say the Big East needs: St Johns to be better…..we need DePaul to better………It will be great for the BIg East when UConn joins. 
Be careful wht toy ask for, because some team must be last.
Again,
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on March 01, 2022, 09:29:00 PM
Anyway, I nominate Butler to take their place.
Seton Hall. The answer is Seton Hall.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on March 01, 2022, 09:30:02 PM
If “MU” is a G league or NBA team, then sure.
Ah, you and dad share a (lack of) sense of humor, too
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 01, 2022, 10:05:20 PM
Cooley & Company fought their way back but not enough. Nice to see Villanova win, makes MU’s two wins look more impressive
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 02, 2022, 07:22:04 AM
If you want to see what this looks like in reality, look at the ACC this year. The two teams tied for last (Georgia Tech and NC State) each have four wins.  The worst NET team (Pitt) has six wins in conference.  Their cellar is winning enough games to have some semblance of respectability with respect to conference records.

So is the rest of the ACC reaping the NET rewards that come from having more strength at the bottom of their conference?

I very specifically wrote about Georgetown, a 0-17 conference team. Teams above them in NET include Nicholls, Cornell and Mercer. Compare the 4-6 win teams you chose to represent the bottom of their conferences with Georgetown. Maybe we should add UIC and St. Thomas to the BE.

I'm done here.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on March 02, 2022, 07:29:01 AM
Well, it needs to be someone else.

Actually, it doesn't. We probably thought the same thing here when we were picked to win the inaugural reformed Big East in 2014 and we finished sixth and out of the tourney before falling to last in 2015. But the Big East chugged right along and Nova won two titles with Marquette's positioning having no bearing.

Georgetown could go 0-for-the-Big-East for the next decade and as long as we're getting 6-7 bids as a league and getting some deep runs elsewhere, the league will be fine and no one outside your alumni base will care.

Would it be nice for Georgetown to be relevant? Sure, I guess, but it's no more important than the two biggest media markets of St John's or DePaul being relevant. As long as the league as a whole does well, the individual programs aren't that important.

Look around the country. The Big 10 has done fine with an irrelevant Indiana. The SEC has continued with Florida falling to mediocrity. The ACC's struggles aren't because of any one program, but because they are all having down years at the same time.

I accept that Marquette doesn't matter to the national or Big East landscape. I'm also glad Marquette's administration made the move they did because it DOES matter to us. For Georgetown, it's the same. You're the only ones that care, so if you want to be relevant, you need to be the ones to push your administration to do something about it.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: swoopem on March 02, 2022, 07:35:33 AM
For Georgetown, it's the same. You're the only ones that care, so if you want to be relevant, you need to be the ones to push your administration to do something about it.

We have the blueprint! One of those trucks with the digital adds on the sides circling your athletic department and some blog posts oughta do the trick!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: IrwinFletcher on March 02, 2022, 07:40:22 AM
Actually, it doesn't. We probably thought the same thing here when we were picked to win the inaugural reformed Big East in 2014 and we finished sixth and out of the tourney before falling to last in 2015. But the Big East chugged right along and Nova won two titles with Marquette's positioning having no bearing.

Georgetown could go 0-for-the-Big-East for the next decade and as long as we're getting 6-7 bids as a league and getting some deep runs elsewhere, the league will be fine and no one outside your alumni base will care.

Would it be nice for Georgetown to be relevant? Sure, I guess, but it's no more important than the two biggest media markets of St John's or DePaul being relevant. As long as the league as a whole does well, the individual programs aren't that important.

Look around the country. The Big 10 has done fine with an irrelevant Indiana. The SEC has continued with Florida falling to mediocrity. The ACC's struggles aren't because of any one program, but because they are all having down years at the same time.

I accept that Marquette doesn't matter to the national or Big East landscape. I'm also glad Marquette's administration made the move they did because it DOES matter to us. For Georgetown, it's the same. You're the only ones that care, so if you want to be relevant, you need to be the ones to push your administration to do something about it.

I have always hated the argument that "this sport/league/conference is better with this particular team being in the mix"

We don't have to have LA or NY or Indiana or Duke or Georgetown being good to make sports fun and entertaining.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: pbiflyer on March 02, 2022, 07:55:46 AM
This will probably not end well:
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Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Equalizer on March 02, 2022, 08:41:18 AM
Maybe we should add UIC and St. Thomas to the BE.


Why?  We already have Georgetown.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 02, 2022, 08:58:03 AM
Actually, it doesn't. We probably thought the same thing here when we were picked to win the inaugural reformed Big East in 2014 and we finished sixth and out of the tourney before falling to last in 2015. But the Big East chugged right along and Nova won two titles with Marquette's positioning having no bearing.

Georgetown could go 0-for-the-Big-East for the next decade and as long as we're getting 6-7 bids as a league and getting some deep runs elsewhere, the league will be fine and no one outside your alumni base will care.

Would it be nice for Georgetown to be relevant? Sure, I guess, but it's no more important than the two biggest media markets of St John's or DePaul being relevant. As long as the league as a whole does well, the individual programs aren't that important.

Look around the country. The Big 10 has done fine with an irrelevant Indiana. The SEC has continued with Florida falling to mediocrity. The ACC's struggles aren't because of any one program, but because they are all having down years at the same time.

I accept that Marquette doesn't matter to the national or Big East landscape. I'm also glad Marquette's administration made the move they did because it DOES matter to us. For Georgetown, it's the same. You're the only ones that care, so if you want to be relevant, you need to be the ones to push your administration to do something about it.
I agree with this analysis
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Billy Hoyle on March 02, 2022, 11:53:26 AM
it looks as if, unless he leaves on his own accord, Ewing is back on the sidelines for Gtown next season:

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1499068685985660929/photo/1
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 02, 2022, 12:12:10 PM
it looks as if, unless he leaves on his own accord, Ewing is back on the sidelines for Gtown next season:

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1499068685985660929/photo/1

I may be misremembering, but didn't St. John's put out a very similar statement about Mullen and then Mullen resigned within a week or two?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on March 02, 2022, 12:26:20 PM
it looks as if, unless he leaves on his own accord, Ewing is back on the sidelines for Gtown next season:

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1499068685985660929/photo/1

Dreaded vote of confidence. I still doubt he's back next season, but I'll take the two easy wins if he is !
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on March 02, 2022, 01:00:23 PM
it looks as if, unless he leaves on his own accord, Ewing is back on the sidelines for Gtown next season:

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1499068685985660929/photo/1

If you issue a statement like this, you already know what needs to be done.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 02, 2022, 01:31:07 PM
Dreaded vote of confidence.

That's exactly what I thought when I saw that. People getting the axe or resigning shortly after the "dreaded vote of confidence" is common enough that it's become cliche.


My read [with additional subtext]:

"As a university with high standards and expectations for both academic and athletic excellence, we share the disappointment of a difficult season [although we're likely significantly more "disappointed" than Coach Ewing]."

"In this ever evolving landscape of college athletics we are committed to Coach Ewing, and we are working with him to evaluate every aspect of the men's basketball program and to make the necessary changes for him to put us back on the path of success for next year [most likely by ending his tenure as our Head Coach]."

"Coach Ewing's dedication as well as his [still inexplicable] success in last year's BIG EAST Tournament is a testament to his leadership [and good luck]. This gives us confidence that he can strengthen our program going forward [most notably by resigning and returning to his prior role as a living symbol of our former glory]. I wish to thank all of our supporters and season ticket holders for their ongoing commitment [and for not demanding a refund for their unused tickets] and express my appreciation to the members of our team for their hard work. [I wish them all success wherever they happen to be playing next season.]."


Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Jay Bee on March 02, 2022, 02:09:09 PM
April 6, 2019 headline & article excerpt from the NY Post:

St. John’s puts an end to the Chris Mullin rumors

MINNEAPOLIS — The night St. John’s season ended, Chris Mullin told The Post he was “100 percent” planning on coaching his alma mater the following season. The next day, athletic director Mike Cragg voiced his support of Mullin. Despite a wildfire of rumors over the past 48 hours of a possible buyout, nothing has changed, and Cragg released a statement saying as much.

“Let me be clear, and [as] I said from the start, Coach Mullin is our head coach and we are not looking for another head coach,” Cragg said in the statement.

From the moment he took over, Cragg has supported Mullin and has said his job is to give him the needed support to be successful. In the statement, Cragg said he has met with Mullin several times since the end of the season and described those meetings as “productive, engaging and positive.”

“Coach Mullin has been great throughout and I appreciate his passion for St. John’s,” said Cragg, who is in his first year at St. John’s after three decades as a Duke administrator.

April 8.. same NY Post.. lol

Chris Mullin to step down as coach of St. John’s
MINNEAPOLIS — The madness extended into the final night of the college basketball season, but it had nothing to do with the NCAA Tournament. A bombshell report dropped just before the tipoff of the national championship game that Chris Mullin was planning to step down as St. John’s head coach just two days after the school said in a statement it supported him and wasn’t looking for another coach.

There was radio silence from the school after college basketball insider Jon Rothstein broke the news. Mullin didn’t return repeated messages seeking comment, and neither did his agent, Jim Ornstein. Athletic director Mike Cragg declined to confirm or deny the report and the school’s sports information department didn’t return several messages.

“We are not confirming or denying a tweet with unnamed sources,” Cragg told The Post. “They are out there.”

When pressed, Cragg said: “Nothing tonight.”

A source who was in direct contact with Mullin said once the news spread, Mullin stopped responding to text messages. Another source said Mullin and Cragg communicated all weekend.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Equalizer on March 02, 2022, 05:50:32 PM
I see Xavier has so much Marquette envy that they stole our colors for their game tonight. 



Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 02, 2022, 06:50:26 PM
 X is in big trouble
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MuggsyB on March 02, 2022, 07:29:32 PM
X is in big trouble

They're officially a dumpster fire.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 02, 2022, 07:31:06 PM
They're officially a dumpster fire.

Seeing a lot of Travis Steele the next Wojo talk.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on March 02, 2022, 07:50:04 PM
Seeing a lot of Travis Steele the next Wojo talk.

Steele is done
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 02, 2022, 07:53:55 PM
Excellent win for The Johnnies over X

X final game against The Hoyas…..
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 02, 2022, 07:55:54 PM
X isn’t good.  The John’s can beat anyone but that’s 5 straight L’s for X and 7 of 8.  I don’t think they’d be in.  They get GTown at home.  Lose that and have a funeral procession
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: #UnleashSean on March 02, 2022, 08:00:51 PM
Takeaways from Georgetown Seton hall...

Wow Georgetown suuuuucks.

Seton hall is nothing without Aiken. Playing hero ball without the hero.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on March 02, 2022, 08:01:54 PM
Xavier seems like a close parallel to 2019-2020 MU. Just hoping the schedule runs out so you are still on the right side of the bubble. They should start sweating though imo.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on March 02, 2022, 08:02:16 PM
No OT, please.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MUEng92 on March 02, 2022, 08:04:02 PM
That was the quickest release of a 3 point shot I’ve ever seen.  That is the only positive I can come up with for that last Georgetown shot
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 02, 2022, 08:05:15 PM
Never thought I’d live to see GTown go winless in the Big East.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 02, 2022, 08:06:10 PM
Never thought I’d live to see GTown go winless in the Big East.

Wouldn't call X a lock yet.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 02, 2022, 08:07:29 PM
Wouldn't call X a lock yet.

Good point.  What a wild one that would be. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Fred Garvin on March 02, 2022, 09:29:53 PM
Creighton's up 5 on UCONN with 1 minute to go
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: We R Final Four on March 02, 2022, 09:35:19 PM
Cant be they lost their starting PG and will lose last two games and first game in BET.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 02, 2022, 09:38:27 PM
Shaka Wojciechowski?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MUfan12 on March 02, 2022, 09:57:26 PM
Shaka Wojciechowski?

Man, you're clever.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on March 02, 2022, 10:27:10 PM
Outstanding crowd on $1 beer night. Big win for Creighton.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Shark on March 02, 2022, 10:27:59 PM
DuhPaul boatraces MU and scores 59 in the second half!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 03, 2022, 06:15:27 AM
Tremendous win for Creighton over U Conn. Demonstrated The Blue Jays  can win without their key player against a strong opponent .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 06, 2022, 08:45:19 AM
X feasted on The Hoyas. My guess is they will need to soundly trounce Butler to secure their spot in the tournament .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: DFW HOYA on March 06, 2022, 09:06:25 AM
X feasted on The Hoyas. My guess is they will need to soundly trounce Butler to secure their spot in the tournament .

X led by 24 at the half, let off the gas late, won by 22.

It's really difficult to lose 20 in a row, but there you go.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Newsdreams on March 06, 2022, 09:58:22 AM
X led by 24 at the half, let off the gas late, won by 22.

It's really difficult to lose 20 in a row, but there you go.
COLE (just messing with ya)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Pakuni on March 07, 2022, 06:13:00 PM
Some rich Georgetown alum(s) is going to have to pony up eight figures if they want to be rid of Ewing after this season.

https://hilltophoops.substack.com/p/patrick-ewing-contract-extension-details?s=r
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 09, 2022, 10:36:51 AM
Todays games

 Butler versus X
DePaul versus The Johnnies
Georgetown vs The Hall


X needs to win big

Johnnies and DePaul battling for  NIT spot
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 09, 2022, 07:40:09 PM
Wow X craps the bed against Butler

Kind of screws the Big East monetarily
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 09, 2022, 08:41:48 PM
Johnnies blow out DePaul.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 10, 2022, 12:42:47 PM
The Hall barely won against Georgetown . Should have a good late night battle against UConn

Butler up 4 over Cooley & Company , maybe some Georgetown style magic for the Bulldogs this year ……
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 10, 2022, 09:57:35 PM
Great comeback by Nova Tonight.

Hopefully The Johnnies make The NIT .




Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: EasyDuzIt on March 11, 2022, 02:45:50 AM
i see most still experts still have Xavier getting in on there last 4 in
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 11, 2022, 10:25:38 AM
Mike Anderson The Johnnies coach keeps up his streak of never having a losing season.

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 11, 2022, 10:46:35 AM
Mike Anderson The Johnnies coach keeps up his streak of never having a losing season.

And is 0-3 in NCAA appearances as coach of St. John’s
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 11, 2022, 07:38:25 PM
Cooley & Company getting spanking Creighton . Would like to see Creighton win the whole thing.

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 12, 2022, 07:09:24 AM
Was happy to see Nova win. Makes MU two wins stand out more the better the record Nova has
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: We R Final Four on March 12, 2022, 08:05:01 AM
So you want both Creighton and Nova to win the tourney? No need to watch I guess.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 12, 2022, 08:14:48 AM
So you want both Creighton and Nova to win the tourney? No need to watch I guess.
I want Nova to win the tourney best for MU. If Creighton wins that is good for The Big East overall
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 12, 2022, 08:19:00 AM
Der iz know whey MU iz inn and Creighton iz out, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 12, 2022, 06:51:51 PM
Old school low scoring game today. Not something I would usually expect from a McDermott coached squad
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: LAZER on March 12, 2022, 06:57:18 PM
Der iz know whey MU iz inn and Creighton iz out, aina?
Is anybody arguing this? Both are locks
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Newsdreams on March 12, 2022, 08:26:17 PM
Is anybody arguing this? Both are locks
4ever has been snorting grains lately.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on March 12, 2022, 09:10:45 PM
I think Gillespie can have an NBA career. Tough, extremely high IQ, good shot, willing defender, decent athlete.

Brunson-like.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 17, 2022, 04:46:33 PM
Cooley & Company get a win over South Dakota State.

Helps the Big East cause as each win brings more coin to the Conference
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 17, 2022, 07:13:06 PM
Xavier versus Florida in Round 2 of NIT on Sunday.

Both teams pushed their Head Coaches out.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 17, 2022, 08:34:56 PM
U Conn sullies the Big East honor with a loss to New Mexico State .

Big financial cost to the Conference
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 17, 2022, 08:49:17 PM
Creighton furious rally to get to overtime
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 17, 2022, 09:16:05 PM
Impressive overtime win for Creighton

Kalkbrenner went down with a painful knee injury. Hope for the best for the young man.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 18, 2022, 04:46:29 PM
Solid win for Nova over The Blue Hens of Delaware. Big East now 3-2 in tournament play .

Need The Hall to come through versus TCU
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillWarriors on March 18, 2022, 05:04:23 PM
Impressive overtime win for Creighton

Kalkbrenner went down with a painful knee injury. Hope for the best for the young man.

Was so glad to see the injury was not as bad as they feared. Out for the tourney but able to get back at it in 2-3 months. Hated to see that. What an impressive win and last couple weeks for them. Alexander is a hell of a player. They are going to be really good next year.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 19, 2022, 12:45:02 PM
Seton Hall embarrassed the league with that loss to TCU

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 19, 2022, 10:12:45 PM
Delighted to see Cooley & Company in the Sweet 16. Very helpful for the Big East Cause.
https://nypost.com/2022/03/19/march-madness-2022-providence-tops-richmond-to-reach-sweet-16/
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 20, 2022, 02:54:52 PM
Nova up 11 at half over Ohio State. Big East needs a second team in Sweet 16.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Viper on March 20, 2022, 03:47:22 PM
Seton Hall embarrassed the league with that loss to TCU
the embarrassment is all Shaka’s
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 20, 2022, 05:42:16 PM
Nova defending the Big East honor by getting to the Sweet 16
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on March 20, 2022, 11:03:28 PM
Nate Johnson had 16 points to lead five Xavier players in double figures as the Musketeers defeated Florida 72-56 in the NIT second round on Sunday.

Jack Nunge added 12 points Colby Jones chipped in 11, Dwon Odom scored 10 and Zach Freemantle had 10. Odom also had seven rebounds.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: StillWarriors on March 21, 2022, 07:56:52 AM
Nate Johnson had 16 points to lead five Xavier players in double figures as the Musketeers defeated Florida 72-56 in the NIT second round on Sunday.

Jack Nunge added 12 points Colby Jones chipped in 11, Dwon Odom scored 10 and Zach Freemantle had 10. Odom also had seven rebounds.

Non-contact knee injury for Scruggs in the second half of that game. What a rough end to a really good career for him. It's a shame he won't see the end of it on the court.

The similarities in the X-Steele situation to MU-Wojo are pretty amazing. Don't think they had the "article" making the case against Steele, but the fed up fan base that didn't think the school would pull the trigger were very similar, followed by a ton of excitement with the new coach coming in and a clear message from the school that results do matter and mediocrity can't be the norm.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 21, 2022, 07:38:44 PM
Good article in The Tennessean on X and Vandy

https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/vanderbilt/2022/03/21/scouting-vanderbilt-basketball-vs-xavier-nit-quarterfinals/9454413002/
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: WhiteTrash on March 22, 2022, 10:17:08 AM
Good article in The Tennessean on X and Vandy

https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/vanderbilt/2022/03/21/scouting-vanderbilt-basketball-vs-xavier-nit-quarterfinals/9454413002/

They like X by a touchdown:
"Xavier 65, Vanderbilt 58: The Commodores' overtime win in the last round catches up to them as fatigue sets in and a large Musketeers team is able to embrace the home-field advantage."

Gotta love SEC coverage of basketball.  ;D

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 22, 2022, 08:17:40 PM
Paul Scruggs tore his ACL in the second round NIT game. Hopefully he has a full recovery.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 22, 2022, 08:40:13 PM
Crowd is engaged in the game at X tonight
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: shoothoops on March 22, 2022, 10:05:57 PM
They like X by a touchdown:
"Xavier 65, Vanderbilt 58: The Commodores' overtime win in the last round catches up to them as fatigue sets in and a large Musketeers team is able to embrace the home-field advantage."

Gotta love SEC coverage of basketball.  ;D

She’s a Michigan alum from Detroit.

The Athletic Nashville Sports Columnist is a Michigan State alum and former Michigan State hoops beat writer, also from Detroit.



Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 22, 2022, 10:19:24 PM
X on their way to The Garden to play The Bonnie’s in Semis

Rematch of the 1958 NIT Semis

https://xuathletics.exposure.co/1958-nit-championship
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: shoothoops on March 22, 2022, 10:20:42 PM
Good article in The Tennessean on X and Vandy

https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/vanderbilt/2022/03/21/scouting-vanderbilt-basketball-vs-xavier-nit-quarterfinals/9454413002/

Vandy didn’t have Robbins or Chatman most of the year due to injury. Neither are 100% or close to it. It was the difference for them being an NIT team vs NCAA team this year. Even just having them dress for a few games late made a big difference for their NIT run.

Xavier’s Kunkel had 14, among 5 double figure players in the two point win.

Kunkel is a Belmont transfer. One of Belmont’s best players entered the transfer portal today, Will Richard. He’ll be a nice pick up for someone.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 23, 2022, 08:28:53 AM
X on their way to The Garden to play The Bonnie’s in Semis

Rematch of the 1958 NIT Semis

https://xuathletics.exposure.co/1958-nit-championship

Are St. Bonnie's fans flooding the Xavier boards to proclaim their greatness?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 23, 2022, 08:36:52 AM
Are St. Bonnie's fans flooding the Xavier boards to proclaim their greatness?

It would not surprise me. Last night two players SBU mocked UVA fans by waving goodbye for a while after the game ending block. I remember that St. Bonaventure has one of the oldest squads, but they looked like Middle School kids when they did that.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 23, 2022, 08:38:59 AM
It would not surprise me. Last night two players SBU mocked UVA fans by waving goodbye for a while after the game ending block. I remember that St. Bonaventure has one of the oldest squads, but they acted like Middle School kids when they did that.

Did Badger fans faint?  Tony Bennett is one of there guys
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 23, 2022, 11:24:05 AM
Johhny Davis and Nutpuncher Davison were crowd bye-bye wavers in a few of their road wins this season.  Badger fans love that sh!t.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 23, 2022, 11:28:22 AM
Last night two players SBU mocked UVA fans by waving goodbye for a while after the game ending block. I remember that St. Bonaventure has one of the oldest squads, but they looked like Middle School kids when they did that.

I donno, they're on the road (not a neutral site) in the postseason, and were trailing for most of the game.  I also imagine they were being heckled along the way.  They came back and won at the end, let the kids have their fun!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 23, 2022, 11:30:54 AM
That's NCAA.     No Class At All.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 23, 2022, 11:32:38 AM
(https://c.tenor.com/Z_Eb_gATTkQAAAAM/wont-somebody-please-think-of-the-children-think-of-the-children.gif)
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 23, 2022, 11:44:22 AM
https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2022/3/22/22992255/xavier-wont-die-and-this-season-rolls-on-nit-basketball
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 23, 2022, 11:47:47 AM
I donno, they're on the road (not a neutral site) in the postseason, and were trailing for most of the game.  I also imagine they were being heckled along the way.  They came back and won at the end, let the kids have their fun!


Exactly. It was fine. Good lord people.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 23, 2022, 11:58:12 AM
Nope.  Win with class.  Character revealed.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 23, 2022, 12:19:29 PM
Nope.  Win with class.  Character revealed.

Were you OK with Buzz dancing to Country Roads?  Is that classy?

I'm gonna have to get that Country Roads song on my iTunes...
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 23, 2022, 12:43:00 PM
Great teams taunt
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 23, 2022, 01:36:47 PM
Were you OK with Buzz dancing to Country Roads?  Is that classy?

That was funny.  Not classy.  But I see that as a different situation, he was just letting his joy flow out.  He wasn't gesturing towards anyone.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 23, 2022, 03:01:44 PM
He wasn't gesturing towards anyone.

Right in front of the student section.  "They got mad at me"  "They got mad"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8ILUBm-65I
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 23, 2022, 03:41:03 PM
I can't believe Al would climb on the scorer's table after beating Wisconsin. No class!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 23, 2022, 04:02:16 PM
I can't believe Al would climb on the scorer's table after beating Wisconsin. No class!

Ya got me there, TAMU.  I loved that.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on March 24, 2022, 10:04:28 AM
I donno, they're on the road (not a neutral site) in the postseason, and were trailing for most of the game.  I also imagine they were being heckled along the way.  They came back and won at the end, let the kids have their fun!

I'm also a "let the kids have fun" proponent. But I do have to admit that my very first reaction to it was, "Come on. You guys were supposed to be great this year, and this is what it's come to? Trash-talking after an NIT win?"
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 24, 2022, 10:10:22 AM
I'm also a "let the kids have fun" proponent. But I do have to admit that my very first reaction to it was, "Come on. You guys were supposed to be great this year, and this is what it's come to? Trash-talking after an NIT win?"

I don't get mad or angry at trash talking or dancing.  It is what it is and sometimes funny.

But something about beating a team to a pulp without saying a word gets me so much more amped than anything else.

Like Kawhi Leonard or Villanova.  They just beat you and leave you lifeless with your own thoughts.  That's demoralizing. I love it.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: cheebs09 on March 24, 2022, 11:17:52 AM
I'm also a "let the kids have fun" proponent. But I do have to admit that my very first reaction to it was, "Come on. You guys were supposed to be great this year, and this is what it's come to? Trash-talking after an NIT win?"

Agree with this. I don’t really have a problem with it. The pettiness in me makes me chuckle after all we heard about this being their year after they beat us in Charleston.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 24, 2022, 10:16:46 PM
 Nova in the Elite 8 . Helps the Big East Cause with visibility and more dollars .

Now the league needs Cooley & Company to show up with their A game against Kansas .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 25, 2022, 07:15:42 PM
Cooley & Company have to relax they are shooting brick after brick
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 25, 2022, 09:18:44 PM
Cooley & Company rallied in the second half , but not enough. Respectable performance though.

Nova is all that’s left in The Big East . Will playing what is ostensibly a road game against Houston . Place is going to be loaded with Cougar faithful . So that is going to be tough to overcome.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 26, 2022, 08:29:09 AM
Providence was on a roll, down 4 with the ball and about 2:00 left when Durham made a very poor decision. Went one on three and put up a wild shot that Kansas rebounded. You could tell that he was going to take that shot, team offense and shot quality be damned! That was all it wrote for Providence. Too bad.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 26, 2022, 08:36:34 AM
Providence was on a roll, down 4 with the ball and about 2:00 left when Durham made a very poor decision. Went one on three and put up a wild shot that Kansas rebounded. You could tell that he was going to take that shot, team offense and shot quality be damned! That was all it wrote for Providence. Too bad.
The announcers pointed that out as well. Was unfortunate that they didn’t work the ball around for a better shot
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on March 26, 2022, 12:31:56 PM
Providence was on a roll, down 4 with the ball and about 2:00 left when Durham made a very poor decision. Went one on three and put up a wild shot that Kansas rebounded. You could tell that he was going to take that shot, team offense and shot quality be damned! That was all it wrote for Providence. Too bad.

In general, Providence's shot selection down the stretch sucked. Lots of 1-on-1, resulting in several very difficult, contested shots in traffic. The same happened with UCLA, Wisconsin and a few other teams in the tourney. And of course, it was a pattern with Marquette, too, especially late in the season.

I guess it's natural - tight game late, let's have our go-to guy make believe he's MJ. Except that Al Durham, Jaime Jaquez, Johnny Davis and Darryl Morsell aren't Michael Jordan.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 26, 2022, 08:17:34 PM
Great job by Nova getting into The Final Four . Helps the Big East Cause to have representation .

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 27, 2022, 06:17:06 PM
Good that Big East is represented in this final four .

Will be rooting hard for Nova. First , they have to beat Kansas . Cooley & Company was right there against the Jayhawks, so hopefully there is some worthwhile scouting tape to watch.

Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 28, 2022, 01:37:03 PM
Good article on Bryan Antoine

https://www.nj.com/setonhall/2022/03/nj-native-bryan-antoine-will-have-a-great-opportunity-for-villanova-in-final-four-after-star-gets-injured.html
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 28, 2022, 02:01:24 PM
Good article on Bryan Antoine

https://www.nj.com/setonhall/2022/03/nj-native-bryan-antoine-will-have-a-great-opportunity-for-villanova-in-final-four-after-star-gets-injured.html

Theres probably a ton of nerves on his end, but I hope not.  He's good enough to be on Villanova after all.  Must be a pretty exciting time to know your role is increasing on the biggest stage of all.

Good luck to Antoine and Villanova.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 28, 2022, 04:24:14 PM
Theres probably a ton of nerves on his end, but I hope not.  He's good enough to be on Villanova after all.  Must be a pretty exciting time to know your role is increasing on the biggest stage of all.

Good luck to Antoine and Villanova.

I know injuries have derailed his playing time, and playing style I'm sure.  And I don't think they expect huge production out of him.  But it's crazy that when a star goes down Jay can just grab a 5 star McD AA from his bench to use.   
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Johnny B on March 28, 2022, 05:25:09 PM
I know injuries have derailed his playing time, and playing style I'm sure.  And I don't think they expect huge production out of him.  But it's crazy that when a star goes down Jay can just grab a 5 star McD AA from his bench to use.   
hes a good kid but he genuinly might be the most over rated burger boy in history. he has shown zero on the court.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: JWags85 on March 28, 2022, 06:53:09 PM
hes a good kid but he genuinly might be the most over rated burger boy in history. he has shown zero on the court.

Don’t disrespect Brian Butch like that! The classic MCD AA redshirt who still played less than 10 min a game as a redshirt freshman
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 28, 2022, 07:07:14 PM
hes a good kid but he genuinly might be the most over rated burger boy in history. he has shown zero on the court.
Bryan never played healthy. So we never saw his full potential.

He started his first year with a bad shoulder injury that eventually had to have surgery twice , Shoulder injuries are very difficult to come back from. Ability to use arms in sports is permanently changed .

To top it off he had knee issues .

I hope they can get 10-12 quality minutes from him.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 29, 2022, 12:01:41 PM
X at Bonnie’s tonight in The Garden .

Bonnie’s have been playing strong lately so X needs its best effort .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: statnik on March 29, 2022, 06:11:21 PM
X at Bonnie’s tonight in The Garden .

Bonnie’s have been playing strong lately so X needs its best effort .

Xavier was fun to watch in their game to get to the Garden last week, I had more fun watching their game against Vanderbilt than many of the big NCAA Tourney games of the last week.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on March 29, 2022, 07:47:48 PM
Xavier was fun to watch in their game to get to the Garden last week, I had more fun watching their game against Vanderbilt than many of the big NCAA Tourney games of the last week.

Xavier will be a scary team next year. Granted they’re playing NIT competition, but they look to be a completely different team since the firing.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: jfp61 on March 29, 2022, 07:55:02 PM
Xavier will be a scary team next year. Granted they’re playing NIT competition, but they look to be a completely different team since the firing.

Half their team will enter the portal. And Johnson and Scruggs are for sure gone.

Sean Miller is reaching out to transfers to fill the spots. They might still be good, it will just likely be a different team.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on March 29, 2022, 08:08:37 PM
Half their team will enter the portal. And Johnson and Scruggs are for sure gone.

Sean Miller is reaching out to transfers to fill the spots. They might still be good, it will just likely be a different team.

Everyone may transfer - Everyone may return. My statement assumes the core of Nunge, Jones, Odom and Freemantle return.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 29, 2022, 08:29:39 PM
Sean Miller is reaching out to transfers to fill the spots. They might still be good, it will just likely be a different team.

Miller has had a year off of coaching to exclusively bag-drop without any recruiting restrictions.  He'll retain a few good players, and get a few more good players, IMO.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on March 29, 2022, 09:19:52 PM
On PTI today, Jay Wright said:

“Free-throw shooting has been real important to us.”

Obviously, he doesn’t read Scoop.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 29, 2022, 09:31:30 PM
X in the finals.

Buzz up 6 at half over DJ Rodman and Washington State in the other semi. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Pakuni on March 29, 2022, 09:36:56 PM
At the McDonald's AA game, and Nova-bound Cam Whitmore is easily one of the best players on the court, at least tonight. Seems like he might be a problem for the Big East.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 29, 2022, 09:42:09 PM
At the McDonald's AA game, and Nova-bound Cam Whitmore is easily one of the best players on the court, at least tonight. Seems like he might be a problem for the Big East.
Prototype Big East Switchable. Love how Nova just reloads every year with guys like this. 

https://247sports.com/player/cam-whitmore-46102395/
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: 1SE on March 30, 2022, 03:11:59 AM
X in the finals.

Buzz up 6 at half over DJ Rodman and Washington State in the other semi.

Buzz vs. BE for a banner.

With Nova alive BE can win the double. Accordingly to this, the last (only?) time teams from the same conference one both NIT & NCAA is 2006.

https://www.secrant.com/rant/sec-football/has-a-conference-ever-had-the-ncaa-and-nit-champion-in-the-same-season/101855258/
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Viper on March 30, 2022, 06:48:04 AM
Buzz vs. BE for a banner.

With Nova alive BE can win the double. Accordingly to this, the last (only?) time teams from the same conference one both NIT & NCAA is 2006.

https://www.secrant.com/rant/sec-football/has-a-conference-ever-had-the-ncaa-and-nit-champion-in-the-same-season/101855258/
probably could start a thread with this thought.
Marquette makes the ncaa and gets smoked in historic fashion. However, was it important for MU in Shaka’s 1st season here to make the ncaa despite the a$$ kick? Or, if winning the NIT was a lock, would that have been a better outcome for the season?
Winning the NIT means 4 more games. National tv exposure. Raising a banner. Getting ncaa road-killed means?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on March 30, 2022, 07:12:01 AM
probably could start a thread with this thought.
Marquette makes the ncaa and gets smoked in historic fashion. However, was it important for MU in Shaka’s 1st season here to make the ncaa despite the a$$ kick? Or, if winning the NIT was a lock, would that have been a better outcome for the season?
Winning the NIT means 4 more games. National tv exposure. Raising a banner. Getting ncaa road-killed means?

I was just thinking about this yesterday.

Let's say there had been a few different (but very realistic) results -- for example, we lose once each to Nova and Hall, as well as to K-State, but win at DePaul. And say we just miss the tourney as one of the first 4 out. Then we go on to advance to the NIT semis in MSG (or maybe even win the NIT title).

That would have meant we won 4 of our last 5 regular-season games as well as several in the NIT, so it wouldn't have been a "fade." We also still would have a win against Nova, the beatdown of The Provi, the Illinois win, and a few other nice victories.

Would most Scoopers feel better about how the season went than they do now?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 30, 2022, 07:38:55 AM
Losing in the first round of the NCAAs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Winning the NIT.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on March 30, 2022, 07:50:07 AM
Losing in the first round of the NCAAs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Winning the NIT.

Agree.

But that doesn't mean Scoopers would have had the same visceral gut-punch reaction to the season had we barely missed the NCAAs but made a run in the NIT.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 30, 2022, 07:52:30 AM
Agree.

But that doesn't mean Scoopers would have had the same visceral gut-punch reaction to the season had we barely missed the NCAAs but made a run in the NIT.


Because Scoopers are short-term thinking morons.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Elonsmusk on March 30, 2022, 08:41:12 AM
Buzz vs. BE for a banner.

With Nova alive BE can win the double. Accordingly to this, the last (only?) time teams from the same conference one both NIT & NCAA is 2006.

https://www.secrant.com/rant/sec-football/has-a-conference-ever-had-the-ncaa-and-nit-champion-in-the-same-season/101855258/

Buzz backs up his harsh criticism of the NCAA committee by pummeling Oregon, Wake Forest, and Washington State by 15.

A&M got shafted not getting into the NCAA.  Guys who can coach, can coach.  No surprise to see Buzz once again having March success.  I suspect they'll beat Xavier for the championship.  Their late season surge has A&M up to 33 in Ken Pom.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: cheebs09 on March 30, 2022, 08:45:09 AM
Get the popcorn ready for the press conference if they win.

Also, first round loss was way better than NIT Championship, especially this year. The program needed a shot in the arm and making the tournament, even if it ended in a letdown, I think is big for the excitement around the program.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 30, 2022, 08:48:12 AM
Buzz backs up his harsh criticism of the NCAA committee by pummeling Oregon, Wake Forest, and Washington State by 15.

A&M got shafted not getting into the NCAA.  Guys who can coach, can coach.  No surprise to see Buzz once again having March success.  I suspect they'll beat Xavier for the championship.  Their late season surge has A&M up to 33 in Ken Pom.


Eh, the whole season counts so it doesn't matter if you were hot in the end.  Don't lose 8 in a row and put yourself on the bubble.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: wadesworld on March 30, 2022, 08:50:29 AM
Buzz backs up his harsh criticism of the NCAA committee by pummeling Oregon, Wake Forest, and Washington State by 15.

A&M got shafted not getting into the NCAA.  Guys who can coach, can coach.  No surprise to see Buzz once again having March success.  I suspect they'll beat Xavier for the championship.  Their late season surge has A&M up to 33 in Ken Pom.

Maybe he should play someone in the non conference.  Or maybe the coach who can coach should've coached his team up to not go on an 8 game losing streak (and 9 out of 10) in conference.

The fact of the matter is that if your team isn't good enough to safely make the Tournament, you have nobody to blame but yourself.  A lot of average basketball teams make the NCAA Tournament.  If you can't make it in safely you didn't get shafted, you did it to yourself.

But congrats to him on winning a bunch of exhibition games.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on March 30, 2022, 08:53:20 AM
Losing in the first round of the NCAAs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Winning the NIT.

From a 10 years down the line perspective, when Greg Gumbel is saying "...and seeking back-to-back Final Fours we have the 2-seed in the Midwest, Marquette, who has made the NCAA Tournament in every season under head coach Shaka Smart" I agree. That said, the NIT run in 2018 at the Al was a ton of fun. Far more fun than watching us get hammered by South Carolina, Murray State, or North Carolina. I understand the NIT doesn't have nearly the exposure, but as far as the fan experience goes, partaking in those games deep into March is a lot more fun than getting blasted on day one and having nothing left to cheer for.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 30, 2022, 09:01:01 AM
That said, the NIT run in 2018 at the Al was a ton of fun. Far more fun than watching us get hammered by South Carolina, Murray State, or North Carolina. I understand the NIT doesn't have nearly the exposure, but as far as the fan experience goes, partaking in those games deep into March is a lot more fun than getting blasted on day one and having nothing left to cheer for.

Agreed, in hindsight, a few NIT wins would have been more fun - and I don't think that makes fans dumb, lol.  But of course, in terms of coaching grades, making the NCAA tournament was more important (and financially impactful) than the NIT, or even a possible first round loss in the NIT - yikes!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on March 30, 2022, 09:02:58 AM
From a 10 years down the line perspective, when Greg Gumbel is saying "...and seeking back-to-back Final Fours we have the 2-seed in the Midwest, Marquette, who has made the NCAA Tournament in every season under head coach Shaka Smart" I agree. That said, the NIT run in 2018 at the Al was a ton of fun. Far more fun than watching us get hammered by South Carolina, Murray State, or North Carolina. I understand the NIT doesn't have nearly the exposure, but as far as the fan experience goes, partaking in those games deep into March is a lot more fun than getting blasted on day one and having nothing left to cheer for.

I’ll respectfully disagree that 2018 was exciting. I was really bummed that the team didn’t make the tournament with Howard, Rowsey and Hauser and thought it was a huge step back from the previous season.

It did seem like there was a ton of excitement around that NIT run and I can’t recall why the fan sentiment was so high after missing the dance. Maybe there’s nothing more to it than people were just excited we had some young players on the roster with some good potential.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 30, 2022, 09:10:48 AM
I understand the thinking that a team that fades late in the year is going to be worse next season and a team that rises later is going to be better next season...but I don't actually know if there's any real correlation between the two. Would be interesting to look at past teams who faded or improved down the stretch and see how they did the following season.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 30, 2022, 09:12:17 AM
The NIT is of zero joy for me.


Getting spanked in the NCAA also brings zero joy

But selection sunday and watching the reveal with your team being called? Lot of fun. The week leading up to that first round beatdown. Lot of fun.

If the end result is gonna be zero joy either way. Im gonna choose the path that has fun and joy leading up to the rock bottom momentum
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mug644 on March 30, 2022, 09:14:14 AM
I’ll respectfully disagree that 2018 was exciting. I was really bummed that the team didn’t make the tournament with Howard, Rowsey and Hauser and thought it was a huge step back from the previous season.

It did seem like there was a ton of excitement around that NIT run and I can’t recall why the fan sentiment was so high after missing the dance. Maybe there’s nothing more to it than people were just excited we had some young players on the roster with some good potential.

I think part of the excitement of that 2018 NIT run was that the games were at The Al. There's a steady clamoring for a few home games to be played there, and it turned out that they were meaningful (as compared to buy games) so created a lot of enthusiasm.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on March 30, 2022, 09:14:19 AM
I’ll respectfully disagree that 2018 was exciting. I was really bummed that the team didn’t make the tournament with Howard, Rowsey and Hauser and thought it was a huge step back from the previous season.

It did seem like there was a ton of excitement around that NIT run and I can’t recall why the fan sentiment was so high after missing the dance. Maybe there’s nothing more to it than people were just excited we had some young players on the roster with some good potential.

Were you in the building for the games? It was a tough ticket and they were selling well over face value on the secondary market, but the Al was electric to be in. In terms of gameday energy and experience, I would put it up there with any of the best days at the BC or Fiserv. In the past 20 years, the only clear better atmosphere I've been in for a live game was Minneapolis in 2003. It wasn't as loud as Jake's shot against Syracuse, didn't have quite the euphoric after-effects of Nova in 2017, but from whistle to whistle those games were awesome to be at.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: wadesworld on March 30, 2022, 09:15:41 AM
Were you in the building for the games? It was a tough ticket and they were selling well over face value on the secondary market, but the Al was electric to be in. In terms of gameday energy and experience, I would put it up there with any of the best days at the BC or Fiserv. In the past 20 years, the only clear better atmosphere I've been in for a live game was Minneapolis in 2003. It wasn't as loud as Jake's shot against Syracuse, didn't have quite the euphoric after-effects of Nova in 2017, but from whistle to whistle those games were awesome to be at.

Yeah the arena size is better.  That's the only thing better about it though.  The Fiserv is awesome, but it's also too big for college basketball.  Get an 8,000-10,000 seat on campus arena and every game would have the same atmosphere as the NIT games, but the regular season games would actually mean something.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MUfan12 on March 30, 2022, 09:26:09 AM
Yeah the arena size is better.  That's the only thing better about it though.  The Fiserv is awesome, but it's also too big for college basketball.  Get an 8,000-10,000 seat on campus arena and every game would have the same atmosphere as the NIT games, but the regular season games would actually mean something.

We're back to this huh?
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on March 30, 2022, 09:34:34 AM
Yeah the arena size is better.  That's the only thing better about it though.  The Fiserv is awesome, but it's also too big for college basketball.  Get an 8,000-10,000 seat on campus arena and every game would have the same atmosphere as the NIT games, but the regular season games would actually mean something.

I'm not advocating to playing at the Al, or advocating for a 10,000 seat arena, as there are significant drawbacks to go along with the benefits, but the actual experience was fantastic. Does a NCAA bid even in a blowout loss have more prestige? Sure. But the actual fan experience for a few NIT wins is far better in the moment.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: wadesworld on March 30, 2022, 09:38:21 AM
We're back to this huh?

I'm not saying it will ever happen, or even should (kind of depends on the rent that the NY billionaires are charging).  But for the best college basketball viewing experience, 8,000-10,000 seat arenas are without question better than huge NBA arenas.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Golden Avalanche on March 30, 2022, 09:53:12 AM
The NIT is an irrelevant tournament. There's a reason MSG just booted it from the calendar.

Keeping this on topic is that Xavier proved how worthless the tournament is in the grand scheme with their decision.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MUfan12 on March 30, 2022, 10:02:19 AM
I'm not saying it will ever happen, or even should (kind of depends on the rent that the NY billionaires are charging).  But for the best college basketball viewing experience, 8,000-10,000 seat arenas are without question better than huge NBA arenas.

They could triple the rent and it still wouldn't make fiscal sense for MU to build and operate it's own arena.

I want nothing to do with an on-campus facility. MU has an incredibly unique situation. Pro arena, great amenities, better game production capabilities. Bars/dining right there, all a manageable walk/short shuttle ride from campus.

I couldn't care less if the capacity is a few thousand too many. MU is in a great spot.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MDMU04 on March 30, 2022, 10:04:33 AM
The NIT stinks. I can’t believe this is being seriously discussed.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: IrwinFletcher on March 30, 2022, 10:23:38 AM
Were you in the building for the games? It was a tough ticket and they were selling well over face value on the secondary market, but the Al was electric to be in. In terms of gameday energy and experience, I would put it up there with any of the best days at the BC or Fiserv. In the past 20 years, the only clear better atmosphere I've been in for a live game was Minneapolis in 2003. It wasn't as loud as Jake's shot against Syracuse, didn't have quite the euphoric after-effects of Nova in 2017, but from whistle to whistle those games were awesome to be at.

I was there and recall having plenty of room around me, so not sure it was even a sellout.  And the place holds 5000?  So was there some excitement?  Of course, hell, I went.  But to think we would have drawn 15,000 at the big building isn't realistic.  A core base of fans will follow this team in the NIT, but the majority won't.  And if you think the local media doesn't pay attention to Marquette, making it to the NIT FF won't move the needle much at all.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 30, 2022, 10:25:40 AM
Watching the games on television, they were fine.  It's always good to watch Marquette basketball.  But they didn't move the needle much for me other than thinking "that's nice."  I couldn't tell you right now who they beat...I know they lost to Penn State.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Nukem2 on March 30, 2022, 10:29:20 AM
They could triple the rent and it still wouldn't make fiscal sense for MU to build and operate it's own arena.

I want nothing to do with an on-campus facility. MU has an incredibly unique situation. Pro arena, great amenities, better game production capabilities. Bars/dining right there, all a manageable walk/short shuttle ride from campus.

I couldn't care less if the capacity is a few thousand too many. MU is in a great spot.
Agreed.  I was at those games at The Al for the NIT.  Sure the crowds were great, but the negatives far outweighed that.  Consider that game at the BC against Western Michigan in the NIT.  That was a a desolate feeling.  Sometimes things just work out ok for on campus games in the NIT, but……
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PBRme on March 30, 2022, 10:41:15 AM
Plus no $14 beer at the AL
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on March 30, 2022, 10:45:27 AM
Watching the games on television, they were fine.  It's always good to watch Marquette basketball.  But they didn't move the needle much for me other than thinking "that's nice."  I couldn't tell you right now who they beat...I know they lost to Penn State.

This is pretty much where I was on this. I’d always rather be in the NCAAs - always.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 30, 2022, 10:47:20 AM
But if you win the NIT, you’re the 69th best team in the nation, which is nice
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 30, 2022, 11:17:38 AM
Good article on X win last night over The Bonnies. Commentary on how it felt like a road game with all the Bonnie faithful who showed up at the game.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2022/03/29/nit-championship-xavier-musketeers-beat-st-bonaventure-advance/7210882001/
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: CountryRoads on March 30, 2022, 12:39:36 PM
Were you in the building for the games? It was a tough ticket and they were selling well over face value on the secondary market, but the Al was electric to be in. In terms of gameday energy and experience, I would put it up there with any of the best days at the BC or Fiserv. In the past 20 years, the only clear better atmosphere I've been in for a live game was Minneapolis in 2003. It wasn't as loud as Jake's shot against Syracuse, didn't have quite the euphoric after-effects of Nova in 2017, but from whistle to whistle those games were awesome to be at.

No, and that probably has a lot to do with it. I checked tickets and they were indeed over $100 (3x the face or whatever), so I’m not surprised it was a good atmosphere in the arena. More just wondering why that was the case given the disappointing end. I did a lot of traveling to conference road games that year so maybe I was just worn down by the end.

I wish they could play a few of those buy games at the Al when the students are gone. I’ve stopped going to them at Fiserv, but would definitely consider if it was at the Al.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on March 30, 2022, 01:11:22 PM

I wish they could play a few of those buy games at the Al when the students are gone. I’ve stopped going to them at Fiserv, but would definitely consider if it was at the Al.

I think that went off the board when we played Alabama A&M. The NCAA initially said that game at the Al wouldn't count toward average attendance. But then they changed their mind after the game was played and Marquette lost their streak of top-15 attendance seasons.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PointWarrior on March 30, 2022, 01:19:51 PM
Article called the Bonnies a "dark horse final four team" - did not realize they meant the NIT final four  :o

https://www.midmajormadness.com/2021/10/14/22725736/st-bonaventure-bonnies-kyle-lofton-a-10-preview-mark-schmidt (https://www.midmajormadness.com/2021/10/14/22725736/st-bonaventure-bonnies-kyle-lofton-a-10-preview-mark-schmidt)


Good article on X win last night over The Bonnies. Commentary on how it felt like a road game with all the Bonnie faithful who showed up at the game.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2022/03/29/nit-championship-xavier-musketeers-beat-st-bonaventure-advance/7210882001/
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Viper on March 30, 2022, 02:50:35 PM
For what it’s worth, MU did get some pub last night as it was mentioned Al turning down the ncaa back in the day (when the NIT mattered) and winning the NIT over StJ.
Always good to get a mention.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 30, 2022, 02:59:42 PM
I think that went off the board when we played Alabama A&M. The NCAA initially said that game at the Al wouldn't count toward average attendance. But then they changed their mind after the game was played and Marquette lost their streak of top-15 attendance seasons.

MU actually used that talking point to decide where to play a game?  Why is that so important?  And, if it is important, then now that "the streak" is broken, they shouldn't factor that fact into their future decision process.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 30, 2022, 03:04:05 PM
While the NCAA attendance thing may be an issue, I think the bigger one is that they would rather play at Fiserv regardless of the no-shows because the Al is just too small.  Maybe if it were the size of Nova's on campus arena it would be different. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: brewcity77 on March 30, 2022, 03:40:34 PM
MU actually used that talking point to decide where to play a game?  Why is that so important?  And, if it is important, then now that "the streak" is broken, they shouldn't factor that fact into their future decision process.

It was a marketing tool, but they still use it as top-20 streak.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 31, 2022, 08:20:04 PM
Buzz up 1 over X 26.8 seconds left. X has the ball
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 31, 2022, 08:23:54 PM
Nunge makes a big basket. Buzz has the last shot now 3.5 left
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 31, 2022, 08:25:53 PM
Jonas Hayes and X are the final NIT Champions in The Garden
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 31, 2022, 08:26:18 PM
Yesss! And beating Buzz with a school that does not have D1 FB makes it even sweeter.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: mugrad_89 on March 31, 2022, 08:26:46 PM
Nice scene at the end of the game with the Xavier interim coach and his family.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: jfp61 on March 31, 2022, 08:34:06 PM
Honestly, I don't know if that was a good coaching job, or if Xavier is just better without scruggs.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on March 31, 2022, 08:40:18 PM
Honestly, I don't know if that was a good coaching job, or if Xavier is just better without scruggs.
If Hayes stays he will likely be the Head Coach for a while next season depending on how long a suspension Sean Miller serves. So we will find out if he can keep up the momentum.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: PointWarrior on March 31, 2022, 08:42:25 PM
Maybe Buzz will update his manifesto with his 70th place finish now accomplished. 


Yesss! And beating Buzz with a school that does not have D1 FB makes it even sweeter.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 31, 2022, 08:46:51 PM
My wife was like, "Is that Buzz, he hasn't changed has he?'
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Nukem2 on March 31, 2022, 09:11:25 PM
Honestly, I don't know if that was a good coaching job, or if Xavier is just better without scruggs.
Yeah, never been  a Scruggs fan.  Good guy, but basket-ball wise just addition by subtraction.  It happens.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on March 31, 2022, 10:07:03 PM
Iron-clad proof that Buzz’s team didn’t deserve an NCAA tournament bid.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 31, 2022, 10:11:49 PM
So if Villanova wins the NCAA championship, we’re really the champions because we beat both them and X, right?🤣🤪 What banner do we hang?
( assume this was written in teal please).
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 31, 2022, 11:36:12 PM
I don't know what this NIT run says about Travis Steele...I just know that whatever it is, it ain't positive
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: panda on April 01, 2022, 06:57:36 AM
I don't know what this NIT run says about Travis Steele...I just know that whatever it is, it ain't positive

Yep - Steele held X back big time. X is going to be a problem with Miller.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MarquetteDano on April 01, 2022, 10:17:32 AM
I don't know what this NIT run says about Travis Steele...I just know that whatever it is, it ain't positive

Steele or no Steele,  Xavier had a strange season.  They were 15-1 against non Big East opponents and 8-12 versus the Big East.  And when you add together the non-con and NIT they had a solid non-Big East schedule.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU82 on April 01, 2022, 10:47:11 AM
X is going to be a problem with Miller.

Agree with this. But that's OK. I like being in a great conference surrounded by outstanding teams. We have had times in our not-too-distant past when we competed favorably in such an environment. Heck, one could argue that we competed pretty favorably in such an environment this past season, at least for a month-plus.

Shaka needs to do what he's being paid millions to do -- make other BE team's fans say: "Marquette has become a huge problem with Smart."
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Warriors4ever on April 01, 2022, 12:44:10 PM
+1 MU 82.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Farley36 on April 01, 2022, 08:15:33 PM
Lol, this conversation is hilarious.  Ya’ll are now debating whether it would have been better to be in the NIT or get blown out in the first round of the NCAAs.  And some of you have the audacity to criticize other Scoopers who are “short term” thinkers in your opinion because they don’t sit and smile and accept years of sucking.   Instead you all ponder deep question about what’s the most palatable way to suck. 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Viper on April 02, 2022, 08:23:28 AM
Agree with this. But that's OK. I like being in a great conference surrounded by outstanding teams. We have had times in our not-too-distant past when we competed favorably in such an environment. Heck, one could argue that we competed pretty favorably in such an environment this past season, at least for a month-plus.

Shaka needs to do what he's being paid millions to do -- make other BE team's fans say: "Marquette has become a huge problem with Smart."
it’s a distant past.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: lawdog77 on April 02, 2022, 08:29:42 AM
Not sure if it has been mentioned, and if so, I apologize. Big East looking to complete the Grand Slam. NCAA champs in both men's and women's, NIT champs in both men's and women's.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on April 02, 2022, 10:14:36 AM
Not sure if it has been mentioned, and if so, I apologize. Big East looking to complete the Grand Slam. NCAA champs in both men's and women's, NIT champs in both men's and women's.
If that happened they could market The Big East as Conference of Champions
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Daniel on April 02, 2022, 10:17:11 AM
If that happened they could market The Big East as Conference of Champions

Impressive.  Go Villanova!
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on April 02, 2022, 05:40:39 PM
Hopefully Nova can regroup in the second half
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 02, 2022, 05:45:22 PM
Hopefully Nova can regroup in the second half

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=63285.0
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on April 02, 2022, 06:06:47 PM
Nova just needs to come out strong in the second half and make a game out of it
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 02, 2022, 06:09:55 PM
Nova just needs to come out strong in the second half and make a game out of it

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=63285.0
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 02, 2022, 06:13:11 PM
Nova just needs to come out strong in the second half and make a game out of it

Gee. You think so? 
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on April 02, 2022, 06:28:33 PM
I was hoping Bryan Antoine would seize the opportunity . So far that doesn’t seem to be the case
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on April 02, 2022, 06:40:12 PM
Nova scratching their way to 9 down . Just need to keep battling one possession at a time .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on April 02, 2022, 07:10:15 PM
Big East Mens season finally over .
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on April 02, 2022, 07:18:52 PM
Seton Hall women got smacked at South Dakota State. Very impressive crowd.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on April 02, 2022, 07:21:21 PM
Seton Hall women got smacked at South Dakota State. Very impressive crowd.
U Conn Women still alive
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: The Equalizer on April 02, 2022, 07:39:15 PM
Big East Mens season finally over .

Except for Theo John.

<ducks>
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on April 02, 2022, 08:31:08 PM
Except for Theo John.

<ducks>
Theo John doing Theo John things
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 03, 2022, 08:11:23 AM
The important thing is the Big East is representing everywhere.
Title: Re: 2021-22 Big East Conference Results
Post by: Herman Cain on April 03, 2022, 11:14:37 AM
Ed Cooley named Naismith Coach of The Year

https://mobile.twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1510643866726191106?cxt=HHwWhMCypfql8fYpAAAA