2021-22 Big East Conference Results

[panda]

I was shocked too

I don't understand the obsession with the "keep it in the family" process of Georgetown and Butler.

[Skatastrophy]

I don't understand the obsession with the "keep it in the family" process of Georgetown and Butler.

If DWade wants to coach after Shaka, who at the University has the balls to say no?

[Galway Eagle]

If DWade wants to coach after Shaka, who at the University has the balls to say no?

Jordan's a bit different. I understand that argument with Ewing but not for Jordan it's not like Shelvin Mac or Gordon Hayward are their coach. (Do they have other legends pre big east?)

[MuggsyB]

Clean? Wojo?  Chris Mack?

[JakeBarnes]

Who are the actual candidates?

Nored
ryan pedon

any coach du jour

[warriorchick]

How is UConn only a 7.5-point favorite at Butler?

Well, Butler is beating them by four at the half.

[MuggsyB]

UCONN looks awful.  I've decided I don't like the Hurley's. 

[panda]

If DWade wants to coach after Shaka, who at the University has the balls to say no?

The program never gave Zaire anymore than a token look. Wardle didn't even get an interview.

It's not that hard. Self-restricting your candidate pool is foolish.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

The program never gave Zaire anymore than a token look. Wardle didn't even get an interview.

It's not that hard. Self-restricting your candidate pool is foolish.

I wouldn't assume Wardle didn't get an interview. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of "in the family" candidates at least got a courtesy interview.

[MU82]

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of "in the family" candidates at least got a courtesy interview.

Archie Bunker and Meathead got interviews?

[panda]

I wouldn't assume Wardle didn't get an interview. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of "in the family" candidates at least got a courtesy interview.

i understand your point, but a courtesy interview isn't the same as exclusively hiring from within the family while ignoring potentially more qualified applicants.

[MU82]

Well, Butler is beating them by four at the half.

You were saying?

UConn ended up covering easily. Butler is a joke.

Maybe I need to start betting, because I'd have won a lotta scratch on these two UConn-Butler games and MU-Nova.

[Billy Hoyle]

I don't understand the obsession with the "keep it in the family" process of Georgetown and Butler.

Big John Thompson ran Gtown basketball. It was similar at Michigan with Bo Schembechler. Bo died and they went outside the family. Gtown will be able to do that too now that Big John has passed.

[JWags85]

I don't understand the obsession with the "keep it in the family" process of Georgetown and Butler.

Well until Jordan, it worked great.  Collier to Matta to Lickliter to Stevens to Holtmann was  great and got them from the MCC to the Big East.  And Jordan was hired on the strength of his Michigan assistant work.  He was a hot name before he ever went to UWM, that year did nothing to make his candidacy any more or less appealing. He's been a dud, but it wasn't a broken formula solely because of that.

GTown is a different story.  The fact that Ewing spent 15 years on an NBA bench, after a HOF career, without getting a HC gig should have been a red flag as it was

[Billy Hoyle]

Well until Jordan, it worked great.  Collier to Matta to Lickliter to Stevens to Holtmann was  great and got them from the MCC to the Big East.  And Jordan was hired on the strength of his Michigan assistant work.  He was a hot name before he ever went to UWM, that year did nothing to make his candidacy any more or less appealing. He's been a dud, but it wasn't a broken formula solely because of that.

GTown is a different story.  The fact that Ewing spent 15 years on an NBA bench, after a HOF career, without getting a HC gig should have been a red flag as it was

I wouldn't say he's been "a dud." One second round tourney run, at one point they were #5 nationally and headed to the tourney in 2019-20. His 2021 te recruiting class had 2 4 star recruits per ESPN.

But like we did with Deane, BU needs to determine what the trajectory of the program is.

I'm curious to know Butler's budget compared to the rest of the BE.

[JakeBarnes]

Well until Jordan, it worked great.  Collier to Matta to Lickliter to Stevens to Holtmann was  great and got them from the MCC to the Big East.  And Jordan was hired on the strength of his Michigan assistant work.  He was a hot name before he ever went to UWM, that year did nothing to make his candidacy any more or less appealing. He's been a dud, but it wasn't a broken formula solely because of that.

GTown is a different story.  The fact that Ewing spent 15 years on an NBA bench, after a HOF career, without getting a HC gig should have been a red flag as it was

Grown has a much steeper hill to climb

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

i understand your point, but a courtesy interview isn't the same as exclusively hiring from within the family while ignoring potentially more qualified applicants.

Totally agree,  was just picking the nit about Wardle not getting an interview

[The Sultan]

You mean hiring a guy with only one years head coaching experience where his team stunk but they made a miraculous run in the conference tournament doesn't make sense ?!

I don't understand the obsession with the "keep it in the family" process of Georgetown and Butler.

Jordan was in the mix when they hired Brandon Miller.  He was a longtime assistant at Iowa and under Belein at Michigan.  He played for their current AD.

People complain that Marquette doesn't have consistent success through coaching changes.  Well part of that is because we haven't built that type of program.  Keeping it in "the family" makes sense it until it doesn't.  Before Jordan, they have had continued success this way, so why change the model?

[Uncle Rico]

Jordan was in the mix when they hired Brandon Miller.  He was a longtime assistant at Iowa and under Belein at Michigan.  He played for their current AD.

People complain that Marquette doesn't have consistent success through coaching changes.  Well part of that is because we haven't built that type of program.  Keeping it in "the family" makes sense it until it doesn't.  Before Jordan, they have had continued success this way, so why change the model?

When Ohio State hired Holtmann, they were also kicking the tires on Gregg McDermott and I thought McDermott leaving Creighton would be more impactful than Holtmann leaving Butler because of the "Butler Model".  Anonymous Eagle wrote about it, too.

The hiring of Jordan made a lot of sense and he was seen as an up-and-coming coach by many.  It hasn't worked out.  It's possible he's allowed to reset after this season with assistant changes and so forth before making a move.  He'll have to be active in the portal if that's the case.  They simply need a talent infusion

[Scoop Snoop]

Jordan was in the mix when they hired Brandon Miller.  He was a longtime assistant at Iowa and under Belein at Michigan.  He played for their current AD.

People complain that Marquette doesn't have consistent success through coaching changes.  Well part of that is because we haven't built that type of program.  Keeping it in "the family" makes sense it until it doesn't.  Before Jordan, they have had continued success this way, so why change the model?

Yeah, I get that, but when "it doesn't"...the alumnus coach has the upper hand regarding the prospect of a divorce. The Mullin fiasco provided a poster boy for the case for being leery of hiring an alumnus coach. And with at least one, probably two more alumni BE coaches who need to go, it could get messy.

[panda]

Jordan was in the mix when they hired Brandon Miller.  He was a longtime assistant at Iowa and under Belein at Michigan.  He played for their current AD.

People complain that Marquette doesn't have consistent success through coaching changes.  Well part of that is because we haven't built that type of program.  Keeping it in "the family" makes sense it until it doesn't.  Before Jordan, they have had continued success this way, so why change the model?

Particularly for Butler - "In the family" was a reasonable decision making process when they were competing in the Horizon and A10.

At this point, it's just small time thinking. If they want to elevate their program out of BE mediocrity, it would be foolish to only consider a very limited base of applicants.

[The Sultan]

Yeah, I get that, but when "it doesn't"...the alumnus coach has the upper hand regarding the prospect of a divorce. The Mullin fiasco provided a poster boy for the case for being leery of hiring an alumnus coach. And with at least one, probably two more alumni BE coaches who need to go, it could get messy.

I think the Mullin issue was not that he was simply an alum, but an alum who is their greatest player of all time.  Similar to Ewing at Georgetown.

It would be like Marquette trying to fire Dwyane Wade as an unsuccessful coach.  But if the unsuccessful coach was Brian Wardle?  I doubt anyone would care that he's an alum.

I think the biggest issue is if Collier wants to get rid of a guy he obviously has a close relationship with.  That to me is the sticking point more than anything.

[Dr. Blackheart]

I think the Mullin issue was not that he was simply an alum, but an alum who is their greatest player of all time.  Similar to Thompson at Georgetown.

It would be like Marquette trying to fire Dwyane Wade as an unsuccessful coach.  But if the unsuccessful coach was Brian Wardle?  I doubt anyone would care that he's an alum.

I think the biggest issue is if Collier wants to get rid of a guy he obviously has a close relationship with.  That to me is the sticking point more than anything.

Thompson played at Providence.

[The Sultan]

Thompson played at Providence.

Sorry, brain fart.  I meant Ewing.

[Galway Eagle]

Thompson played at Providence.

Or did Thompson play at princeton?