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DoctorV

I feel like SH fans would be happy in Willard left, seems like they are cooling in him again?

Texas fans were probably happy Shaka left though... so maybe it wouldn't be so bad for Louisville.

mug644

Seriously? Cooley or Willard? Someone in some other thread also said that Louisville might go after Shaka.

The implication is that the BEast is a stepping stone. F**k that.

Louisville shouldn't be an appealing job to any coach that has already cut their teeth. No BEast should be willing to go there at this point.

JakeBarnes

Louisville is a dumpster fire right now. Wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole. Aren't they still under and ongoing NCAA investigation
Assume what I say should be in teal if it doesn't pass the smell test for you.

"We all carry within us our places of exile, our crimes and our ravages. But our task is not to unleash them on the world; it is to fight them in ourselves and in others." -Camus, The Rebel

Ellenson Guerrero

Quote from: JakeBarnes on January 26, 2022, 11:50:01 PM
Louisville is a dumpster fire right now. Wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole. Aren't they still under and ongoing NCAA investigation

No one in the Big East besides Jay has it going like Mack did at X before he left. His tale should be a cautionary one to all the other coaches around the league...
"What we take for-granted, others pray for..." - Brent Williams 3/30/14

Shark

Cooley feels like the most likely Big East coach to leave for greener pastures after this year. Riding a very old team with some good luck. He also seems like a really nice dude who would kill it in an interview.

TSmith34, Inc.

Cooley just doesn't fit that culture IMO, and I doubt he'd want the headache that goes with the Louisville job. Of course, money talks, and if he gets $25M like Mack whether he succeeds or not...

I also doubt Louisville reaches into the BE again for a coach after the failure of Mack, and certainly not for a coach far less successful like Willard.
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The Sultan

I don't think Louisville would have any interest in Cooley. 
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: JakeBarnes on January 26, 2022, 11:50:01 PM
Louisville is a dumpster fire right now. Wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole. Aren't they still under and ongoing NCAA investigation

Agree and yes. In addition, they don't have a permanent AD or university president in place. Sound familiar?

It will never happen, but CTC would be a good choice to rebuild that train wreck.

The Sultan

Hmmm...  I think CTC's days an an in-demand coach are going to go away after his UGa gig. 
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 27, 2022, 08:04:24 AM
Hmmm...  I think CTC's days an an in-demand coach are going to go away after his UGa gig.

Ummm...that's why I said it would never happen, Fluff.

The Sultan

Right.  But I don't think he would be a good choice either.  His years as an energetic program builder like he was at MU were over 20 years ago.  And its clearly not really working at Georgia.

I just don't think he would be good there at all even if it did happen.
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Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 27, 2022, 08:07:34 AM
Right.  But I don't think he would be a good choice either.  His years as an energetic program builder like he was at MU were over 20 years ago.  And its clearly not really working at Georgia.

I just don't think he would be good there at all even if it did happen.

I think COVID has impacted his recruiting ability. The guy needs a live audience. I can't imagine him on Zoom. You may be right that his ship has sailed, but UGA was always a bad fit for him. I thought the DePaul job when they went DL2 was a good fit for his abilities.

That said, no successful coach is leaving for that dumpster fire with that uncertainty. UL will have to settle for damaged goods. Mack has a lot of friends and they will be wary. The next coach will be a short timer anyway, and Crean has been successful in these types of roles as we discussed. Who else that's Crean-like but is a bit damaged would fit that profile? Buzz?

The Sultan

I say this without knowing any of the personalities involved, but I would seriously look at Bellarmine's Scott Davenport as head coach and then throw a ton of money at Kenny Payne to be associate head coach.  Bellarmine plays a fun, up-tempo offense and Payne can recruit.  Both are alums. 
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Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 27, 2022, 08:52:36 AM
I say this without knowing any of the personalities involved, but I would seriously look at Bellarmine's Scott Davenport as head coach and then throw a ton of money at Kenny Payne to be associate head coach.  Bellarmine plays a fun, up-tempo offense and Payne can recruit.  Both are alums.

Davenport is an interesting one, with UL roots. I just was watching video of his offensive concepts ("A Team Who Doesn't Dribble), but he is 64 and I'd think the UL faithful would be disappointed.

Payne seems to be on everyone's list. DePaul made an unsuccessful run at him. Not a lot of success stories of NBA assistants/greats lately making the jump to the NCAA. I'd think with no AD or President, being a newcomer there would not end well for him.

JWags85

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 27, 2022, 09:07:00 AM
Davenport is an interesting one, with UL roots. I just was watching video of his offensive concepts ("A Team Who Doesn't Dribble), but he is 64 and I'd think the UL faithful would be disappointed.

I know Ville has a bit of a black eye right now, but I think they would still riot if they got essentially a D2 coach in his mid 60s.

Honestly, only kind of joking, what about Sean Miller?

Otherwise maybe they throw a bag at Matt McMahon down the road at Murray St?

brewcity77

Quote from: JWags85 on January 27, 2022, 09:48:10 AM
I know Ville has a bit of a black eye right now, but I think they would still riot if they got essentially a D2 coach in his mid 60s.

Honestly, only kind of joking, what about Sean Miller?

Otherwise maybe they throw a bag at Matt McMahon down the road at Murray St?

I can see Miller making sense in a vacuum, though I wonder if it would matter that he was basically Mack's mentor and the two are close friends.

jfp61

Quote from: Shark on January 27, 2022, 12:41:37 AM
Cooley feels like the most likely Big East coach to leave for greener pastures after this year. Riding a very old team with some good luck. He also seems like a really nice dude who would kill it in an interview.

Cooley turned down a Michigan interview. He is not leaving Providence.

JakeBarnes

Quote from: jfp61 on January 27, 2022, 10:24:26 AM
Cooley turned down a Michigan interview. He is not leaving Providence.

Agree. When you hear Ed Cooley talk about the Big East and Providence basketball, he sounds like a man that is living a dream right now and knows it.
Assume what I say should be in teal if it doesn't pass the smell test for you.

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DFW HOYA

Quote from: Shark on January 27, 2022, 12:41:37 AM
Cooley feels like the most likely Big East coach to leave for greener pastures after this year. Riding a very old team with some good luck. He also seems like a really nice dude who would kill it in an interview.

He's a Rhode Islander through and through. It's a good time to be at PC.

drewm88

Cooley or Willard to Maryland makes a lot more sense to me than Louisville.

CountryRoads

Quote from: drewm88 on January 27, 2022, 12:02:41 PM
Cooley or Willard to Maryland makes a lot more sense to me than Louisville.

Is Willard really that big of a draw to other schools? I mean he's been at Seton Hall 12 years, made 4 tournaments (would have been 5 if not for Covid), and won a single tournament game in those 12 years. That's pretty wojoesque if you ask me. They've had some decent teams in recent years I guess, but I'm just not sure. 


Galway Eagle

Quote from: CountryRoads on January 27, 2022, 12:10:46 PM
Is Willard really that big of a draw to other schools? I mean he's been at Seton Hall 12 years, made 4 tournaments (would have been 5 if not for Covid), and won a single tournament game in those 12 years. That's pretty wojoesque if you ask me. They've had some decent teams in recent years I guess, but I'm just not sure.

Willard was given an exceptionally long leash because of where Hall was before he got there and to let the Whitehead class develop that he sold his soul for. He's really been rolling since that class was juniors (sophomores?)
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brewcity77

Quote from: CountryRoads on January 27, 2022, 12:10:46 PM
Is Willard really that big of a draw to other schools? I mean he's been at Seton Hall 12 years, made 4 tournaments (would have been 5 if not for Covid), and won a single tournament game in those 12 years. That's pretty wojoesque if you ask me. They've had some decent teams in recent years I guess, but I'm just not sure.

Before that, no one had any consistent success there since PJ Carlesimo. It's a tough job and I think people acknowledge that. Honestly, I've come to have a grudging respect for Willard. He's recruited guys that play tough and generally compete every night. I can see why him and Cooley would be attractive candidates under the "if they did THAT with those resources, what would they do with ours?"

ChitownSpaceForRent

Quote from: brewcity77 on January 27, 2022, 12:17:54 PM
Before that, no one had any consistent success there since PJ Carlesimo. It's a tough job and I think people acknowledge that. Honestly, I've come to have a grudging respect for Willard. He's recruited guys that play tough and generally compete every night. I can see why him and Cooley would be attractive candidates under the "if they did THAT with those resources, what would they do with ours?"

Nah, eff Willard

WhiteTrash

Quote from: brewcity77 on January 27, 2022, 12:17:54 PM
Before that, no one had any consistent success there since PJ Carlesimo. It's a tough job and I think people acknowledge that. Honestly, I've come to have a grudging respect for Willard. He's recruited guys that play tough and generally compete every night. I can see why him and Cooley would be attractive candidates under the "if they did THAT with those resources, what would they do with ours?"
I agree with this. Look at Beilein as an example. Upper level BE coach who did well at an upper level B10 school. He wasn't Calhoun or Boeheim good and UofM is not a blue blood but neither is Maryland or UofL.

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