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GoldenEagles03

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 18, 2022, 09:22:47 AM
Better team? Yes, I believe so. Should we beat them? Not sure about that. Creighton has been really good defensively, particularly against pick and roll, which is what we need to get into our offense. They also are excellent at limiting good shots, so when your combine their ability to take away how we get good looks, and their ability to challenge what good looks we get, it's an uphill climb on offense.

The upside is they aren't a great rebounding team and aren't typically going to win the turnover battle, which should play into our favor, but in Milwaukee they were better protecting the ball and hitting the glass against us than they are on average.

This is just a tough matchup and I've got some definite reservations. One more thing to watch, Creighton is willing to play at the other team's pace. I think we want to speed them up and get them playing faster, particularly because neither Nembhard nor Alexander protect the ball well. I would use the Nova strategy and break out the press again. Probably our best shot at stealing the road win.

I think roster-wise this is a great matchup for Marquette.

Creighton has a slow big in Kalkbrenner, they don't shoot out of this world, and they aren't that deep.

Creighton in Nebraska is just a tough game, but I am rolling with the Golden Eagles in this one. I think they get the job done.
VIOLENCE!

brewcity77

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 18, 2022, 10:01:12 AM
I think roster-wise this is a great matchup for Marquette.

Creighton has a slow big in Kalkbrenner, they don't shoot out of this world, and they aren't that deep.

Creighton in Nebraska is just a tough game, but I am rolling with the Golden Eagles in this one. I think they get the job done.

I hope we wear them out, but a friend pointed out that the basic question we should always ask is "how does our opponent defend pick and roll?" Our offense is near unstoppable when Tyler can get into the lane and spray passes to the wings or hook around to a post player because TKO drew their defender. Creighton has the third best high major PnR defense. Kalkbrenner does great inside cutting off those passing lanes. Defensively, they are built to stop our half court defense.

The timing and wearing them out could play in our favor, but if we get into a half court game at a medium to slow pace (4 of our last 5 and all 3 losses were under 70 possessions) I don't like our chances. I really hope they are on the other side of the bracket once we get to MSG.

It's the same reason I kind of want a 5/12 game with Iona. Everyone will pick against us because Pitino, but their PnR defense sucks. Tyler would savage them.

JayPak

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 18, 2022, 09:22:47 AM
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This is just a tough matchup and I've got some definite reservations. One more thing to watch, Creighton is willing to play at the other team's pace. I think we want to speed them up and get them playing faster, particularly because neither Nembhard nor Alexander protect the ball well. I would use the Nova strategy and break out the press again. Probably our best shot at stealing the road win.
Creighton fan here.  The Jays actually play a cleaner game at a higher pace and are pretty good in transition.  Your better opportunity is to bog us down in a half-court, end-of-shot-clock offensive situation.  That said, if you were to press the entire game and not deviate from it even if we are breaking it, we probably will wear down as we did against Georgetown as the lead plummeted from 23 to 6 points.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: PointWarrior on February 18, 2022, 09:48:55 AM
At the beginning of the year, the kenpom zealots come out and you might as well not play the season.  Happens every year.

No, they don't.  They use it as a tool to help predict what a season may look like.

People that get mad at advanced statistics proclaim things like this, though.
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BM1090

Quote from: JayPak on February 18, 2022, 10:20:29 AM
Creighton fan here.  The Jays actually play a cleaner game at a higher pace and are pretty good in transition.  Your better opportunity is to bog us down in a half-court, end-of-shot-clock offensive situation.  That said, if you were to press the entire game and not deviate from it even if we are breaking it, we probably will wear down as we did against Georgetown as the lead plummeted from 23 to 6 points.

MU has at least two presses that they use. There is one where they frequently trap the ball and try to force turnovers. This has been successful in spots but my eye test says it's been largely ineffective over the past 15 games or so.

The other, which they used against Nova, is to use a light 1-2-2 to take 7-8 seconds off the shot clock and then drop back into the halfcourt. That's the defense I'd prefer to see on Sunday against Creighton.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: PointWarrior on February 18, 2022, 09:48:55 AM
At the beginning of the year, the kenpom zealots come out and you might as well not play the season.  Happens every year.

The only people who say this are not people who read KenPom. Just people who don't like KenPom for some reason.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

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Uncle Rico

The 'Ohn's up big at half against the 'ler.  Chance to get a protected NIT seed still in play
Guster is for Lovers

Billy Hoyle

St. John's up 46-30 at the half at Carnesecca against Butler. They're shooting 64% for the half (Butler 55% from three). What a difference Posh Alexander makes for the Johnnies.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

Scoop Snoop

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 18, 2022, 05:01:50 PM
St. John's up 46-30 at the half at Carnesecca against Butler. They're shooting 64% for the half (Butler 55% from three). What a difference Posh Alexander makes for the Johnnies.

Now 86-53 with 2 1/2 minutes left. St. J: 62% FG, 52% 3pointers.
Wild horses couldn't drag me into either political party, but for very different reasons.

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Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 18, 2022, 05:59:25 PM
Now 86-53 with 2 1/2 minutes left. St. J: 62% FG, 52% 3pointers.

That Butler loss...

Herman Cain

Big win for The Johnnies against Butler .
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    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Scoop Snoop

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 18, 2022, 06:02:28 PM
That Butler loss...

91-57. Yeah...that Butler loss. And let's hope this game was an anomaly for St. Johns. Do not want to see this in Milwaukee.
Wild horses couldn't drag me into either political party, but for very different reasons.

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Uncle Rico

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 18, 2022, 06:07:57 PM
91-57. Yeah...that Butler loss. And let's hope this game was an anomaly for St. Johns. Do not want to see this in Milwaukee.

The great thing about St. John's is, they're just as likely to come to Milwaukee and lose by 30.  Typically St. John's team
Guster is for Lovers

MuggsyB

Now you know why many Scoopers were vehemently upset last Saturday.  That Butler team is abysmal..  It was a putrid/horrendous loss.  The good news is we have the talent to bounce back quickly and regain a top 5 tourney seed.  The tenacity will be on full display Sunday and I think we all expect a THUNDEROUS response.  Don't sleep on this MU team despite the Butler debacle.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MuggsyB on February 18, 2022, 06:42:48 PM
Now you know why many Scoopers were vehemently upset last Saturday.  That Butler team is abysmal..  It was a putrid/horrendous loss.  The good news is we have the talent to bounce back quickly and regain a top 5 tourney seed.  The tenacity will be on full display Sunday and I think we all expect a THUNDEROUS response.  Don't sleep on this MU team despite the Butler debacle.

I'm pretty tired
Guster is for Lovers

MuggsyB

Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2022, 06:45:08 PM
I'm pretty tired

Well snap out of it Uncle R.  This is no time to be insouciant or fatigued about the opportunities this team will have moving forward.  There will be time for rest eventually.  Have a pleasant evening and perhaps throw down a decent cup of coffee.

The Sultan

Quote from: MuggsyB on February 18, 2022, 06:49:14 PM
Well snap out of it Uncle R.  This is no time to be insouciant or fatigued about the opportunities this team will have moving forward.  There will be time for rest eventually.  Have a pleasant evening and perhaps throw down a decent cup of coffee.


If you don't stay up for the next 48 hours, do you really love Marquette basketball?
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Uncle Rico

Quote from: MuggsyB on February 18, 2022, 06:49:14 PM
Well snap out of it Uncle R.  This is no time to be insouciant or fatigued about the opportunities this team will have moving forward.  There will be time for rest eventually.  Have a pleasant evening and perhaps throw down a decent cup of coffee.

I'm going to smoke a bowl and pass out
Guster is for Lovers

MuggsyB

Quote from: Clarissa on February 18, 2022, 06:50:48 PM

If you don't stay up for the next 48 hours, do you really love Marquette basketball?

I envy those that can sleep and  I'm not judging anyone.  As long as Uncle R and others are ready to go about 43 hours from now it's all good.  I'm just concerned with Uncle R's apparent lack of energy.

MU82

Quote from: MuggsyB on February 18, 2022, 06:56:52 PM
I envy those that can sleep and  I'm not judging anyone.  As long as Uncle R and others are ready to go about 43 hours from now it's all good.  I'm just concerned with Uncle R's apparent lack of energy.

Every game we've lost was because Rico wasn't alert enough. Effen Rico.
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Uncle Rico

Quote from: MU82 on February 18, 2022, 07:09:51 PM
Every game we've lost was because Rico wasn't alert enough. Effen Rico.

It's the burden I carry
Guster is for Lovers

Newsdreams

Goal is National Championship
CBP profile my people who landed here over 100 yrs before Mayflower. Most I've had to deal with are ignorant & low IQ.
Can't believe we're living in the land of F 452/1984/Animal Farm/Brave New World/Handmaid's Tale. When travel to Mars begins, expect Starship Troopers

Uncle Rico

Guster is for Lovers

Newsdreams

Goal is National Championship
CBP profile my people who landed here over 100 yrs before Mayflower. Most I've had to deal with are ignorant & low IQ.
Can't believe we're living in the land of F 452/1984/Animal Farm/Brave New World/Handmaid's Tale. When travel to Mars begins, expect Starship Troopers

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