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HutchwasClutch

Quote from: Zog from Margo on December 05, 2024, 11:40:57 PMI'm sure he doesn't. That doesn't make what he did smart. Twice he made bad decisions on 4th and one. One time he gave GB seven points. Had he not converted the second time with Goff falling, GB has 43 seconds to get the win. I have no problem saying Detroit is better than GB, but Campbell's eagerness to show machismo may end up biting him against a team better than GB. Just like McCarthy was not great at clock management, Campbell's decision making is questionable.

His decision making is reckless and arrogant and it will cost them, just a matter of when. 

BM1090

Quote from: Jockey on December 05, 2024, 10:54:16 PMGoff will be a near unanimous MVP if they beat the Bills.

I'm not sure why you're dying on this hill. But he won't. He's +1000. Allen is -210. It's Allen or Barkley.

Not to take anything away from Goff. He's had an amazing season and has a great chance to win a Super Bowl. And he'll finish top 5 in voting.

BM1090

Quote from: HutchwasClutch on December 05, 2024, 11:44:54 PMHis decision making is reckless and arrogant and it will cost them, just a matter of when. 

Or it wont. Some of the decisions are questionable, but his team loves it and it's worked WAY more often than not for the last two years.

tower912

Goff had 32 completions last night.  6 receivers had 5 or more catches.

The GB defense was very good at shutting down the run and taking away the deep stuff.

There is every possibility these teams meet again.

#dangamble
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: Jockey on December 05, 2024, 10:54:16 PMGoff will be a near unanimous MVP if they beat the Bills.

LOL NO.  Like not even close.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: tower912 on December 06, 2024, 06:07:55 AMGoff had 32 completions last night.  6 receivers had 5 or more catches.

The GB defense was very good at shutting down the run and taking away the deep stuff.

There is every possibility these teams meet again.

#dangamble

Sure, they'll meet again, at the NFC North off-season potluck
Guster is for Lovers

tower912

Green Bay is very good.  Their 4 losses are to Minnesota, Philadelphia, and twice to Detroit, by a combined 20 points.  They can go to toe with anybody.   They are a frightening get healthy,  get in, get hot type of playoff opponent.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

HutchwasClutch

Quote from: tower912 on December 06, 2024, 07:49:08 AMGreen Bay is very good.  Their 4 losses are to Minnesota, Philadelphia, and twice to Detroit, by a combined 20 points.  They can go to toe with anybody.   They are a frightening get healthy,  get in, get hot type of playoff opponent.

When Love is on his game, they're dangerous. Jacobs is a great and underrated RB. I never trust their defense to get a stop during crunch time though.  And Alexander is perpetually injured, exacerbating the problem. 

4everwarriors

"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

tower912

Quote from: HutchwasClutch on December 06, 2024, 07:53:12 AMWhen Love is on his game, they're dangerous. Jacobs is a great and underrated RB. I never trust their defense to get a stop during crunch time though.  And Alexander is perpetually injured, exacerbating the problem. 
GB defense got 5 huge 3rd down stops last night.

And Campbell didn't trust his defense to get stops, either, particularly at the end.   Hence, the aggressive play calling.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

The Sultan

Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 06, 2024, 07:55:37 AMPack's secondary sucks ass, hey?

They lost Bullard and Williams during the game and Jaire is always injured. When you are relying too much on Eric Stokes, that's a problem.

Anyway I would say that the Packers defense is not soft - against the run. They held up really well. The problem in the passing game is not only the above injuries, but NONE of their LBs can do anything in the passing game. They can't blitz, they can't guard a TE or RB...nothing.  And they aren't getting pressure from their front four.  So they play these soft zones to guard against the big play, but good quarterbacks can eat that up.

Offensively they made huge adjustments. That pass to Watson over the top came at the perfect time and got Detroit off the line of scrimmage. Yeah the OL was crap at the beginning, but teams don't usually blitz GB that extensively. And once they made them pay, the offense was humming along just fine.

And of course MLF can win a Super Bowl. But he needs more play makers on the defensive side of the ball. That's been the case since he's been here and why I never thought moving on from Barry was going to solve all of their problems.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Billy Hoyle

Quote from: tower912 on December 06, 2024, 08:02:02 AMGB defense got 5 huge 3rd down stops last night.

And Campbell didn't trust his defense to get stops, either, particularly at the end.   Hence, the aggressive play calling.

16 defensive players for the Lions were out injured, which included McNeil being ruled out for the second half. All of the players said Campbell said they were going to be aggressive on offense going into the game and he didn't deviate. That's why his players would run through a brick wall for him.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 06, 2024, 08:13:13 AM16 defensive players for the Lions were out injured, which included McNeil being ruled out for the second half. All of the players said Campbell said they were going to be aggressive on offense going into the game and he didn't deviate. That's why his players would run through a brick wall for him.

Bingo.  Fans of other teams don't like his decision making because he coaches to win while LaFleur punts and kicks fgs and stupidly relies on his defense.

Lions might lose because he goes for it while the Packers will lose because they don't.  That's a soft ass mentality.
Guster is for Lovers

tower912

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 06, 2024, 08:13:13 AM16 defensive players for the Lions were out injured, which included McNeil being ruled out for the second half. All of the players said Campbell said they were going to be aggressive on offense going into the game and he didn't deviate. That's why his players would run through a brick wall for him.
Si.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

cheebs09

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 06, 2024, 08:16:29 AMBingo.  Fans of other teams don't like his decision making because he coaches to win while LaFleur punts and kicks fgs and stupidly relies on his defense.

Lions might lose because he goes for it while the Packers will lose because they don't.  That's a soft ass mentality.

I feel him going for it there was more for the culture than strategy. Even watching the Receiver show, I think he's trying to move away from the lowly Lions mindset and show that they will be the ones inflicting their will.

Plus, even if they don't get that, the game most likely goes to OT.

The Sultan

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 06, 2024, 08:16:29 AMBingo.  Fans of other teams don't like his decision making because he coaches to win while LaFleur punts and kicks fgs and stupidly relies on his defense.

Lions might lose because he goes for it while the Packers will lose because they don't.  That's a soft ass mentality.

When should they have gone for it? They punted twice in the first half when the ball was at about midfield and they were facing 4th and 5ish. They pinned Detroit back around the ten both times - Detroit did nothing with either possession. They had a turnover on their third possession and a TD on their fourth. They had five possessions in the second half. Three ended in touchdowns. One punt was on 4th and 3 from their own 37. Their FG was on 4th and goal from the 13.

None of this was "soft ass mentality." Strategy-wise, there wasn't a single thing yesterday that I thought MLF should have done differently.

The problem is their defense continues to stink. They just don't have the horses.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

tower912

The defense stymied the Detroit running game, took away the deep ball, got an interception and made 5 huge 3rd down stops.   Rushing 4, dropping 7 into zone is what Detroit wants.   That is where Goff thrives.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

HutchwasClutch

Quote from: tower912 on December 06, 2024, 08:02:02 AMGB defense got 5 huge 3rd down stops last night.

And Campbell didn't trust his defense to get stops, either, particularly at the end.  Hence, the aggressive play calling.

Yeah, but the Lions were 7/15 on 3rd down and 4/5 on 4th.  They clearly won those downs. Conversely, the Packers were just 1/5 on 3rd down.

Campbell plays that way regardless.

tower912

Detroit ran 76 plays, GB ran 45.  Also part of the mindset and equation.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: tower912 on December 06, 2024, 08:47:09 AMDetroit ran 76 plays, GB ran 45.  Also part of the mindset and equation.

LaFleur's play calling is way too predictable.

Plus, they need to stick to the run more.

MUBurrow

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 06, 2024, 08:13:13 AM16 defensive players for the Lions were out injured, which included McNeil being ruled out for the second half. All of the players said Campbell said they were going to be aggressive on offense going into the game and he didn't deviate. That's why his players would run through a brick wall for him.

The structure of the Lions coaching staff seems like the platonic ideal for a successful NFL staff.  This is their third season as a unit, the offensive and defensive coordinators absolutely kill it on scheme and technique, and the head coach inspires and instills the global team mentality.  These things can't last and the coordinators will get chances at big chairs, but its clicking rn.

tower912

Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 06, 2024, 09:03:25 AMLaFleur's play calling is way too predictable.

Plus, they need to stick to the run more.
GB had one drive where they ran straight at Detroit and could not be stopped. 

LaFleur's play calling put up 31 on the road.

Play of the game was when Ezekiel Turner (who?) fought off Love's stiff arm and brought him down.  There was a lot of empty green behind him.  And the GB receiver was just coming open.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

tower912

Quote from: MUBurrow on December 06, 2024, 09:05:49 AMThe structure of the Lions coaching staff seems like the platonic ideal for a successful NFL staff.  This is their third season as a unit, the offensive and defensive coordinators absolutely kill it on scheme and technique, and the head coach inspires and instills the global team mentality.  These things can't last and the coordinators will get chances at big chairs, but its clicking rn.
A season ago, Lion's fans were calling for Glenn to be fired and then were begging for some dumb team to hire him away.

Yeah....
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: tower912 on December 06, 2024, 09:09:44 AMGB had one drive where they ran straight at Detroit and could not be stopped. 

LaFleur's play calling put up 31 on the road.

Play of the game was when Ezekiel Turner (who?) fought off Love's stiff arm and brought him down.  There was a lot of empty green behind him.  And the GB receiver was just coming open.

While this is true, running the ball wears down the defense, puts the opposing offense out of rhythm, and controls the clock.  When Detroit had the ball with 8 min to go, I had no doubt they'd score and leave GB not enough time to score in return.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 06, 2024, 08:30:31 AMWhen should they have gone for it? They punted twice in the first half when the ball was at about midfield and they were facing 4th and 5ish. They pinned Detroit back around the ten both times - Detroit did nothing with either possession. They had a turnover on their third possession and a TD on their fourth. They had five possessions in the second half. Three ended in touchdowns. One punt was on 4th and 3 from their own 37. Their FG was on 4th and goal from the 13.

None of this was "soft ass mentality." Strategy-wise, there wasn't a single thing yesterday that I thought MLF should have done differently.

The problem is their defense continues to stink. They just don't have the horses.

Soft ass team, period.  When they kicked that FG to tie it at 31, games was over.

Why?  Because they're a soft ass team with a soft ass coach
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