Thoughts and prayers for Oxford, Mi.

[CountryRoads]

Since one of the victims that died had rushed the shooter, is this now a case of self defense?

No, because the shooter provoked the attack. If the prosecutors were able to prove that Rittenhouse provoked the attack (since I'm assuming that's where this post is coming from), he would have been found guilty also. They failed to do that and/or there was no evidence he did.

[reinko]

Good Christ.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1466819872160165894?s=21

[Pakuni]

Mom's Instagram post two days before the shooting.

https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/c_crop,d_placeholder_euli9k,h_808,w_500,x_0,y_0/dpr_1.5/c_limit,w_690/fl_lossy,q_auto/Screen_Shot_2021-12-02_at_2.52.59_PM_spmhrl

[Jockey]

Good Christ.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1466819872160165894?s=21

Sick. Sick. Sick.

Also, not a bit surprising.

[CountryRoads]

Good Christ.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1466819872160165894?s=21

A lot of the times (like in the Waukesha incident) you shake your head and wonder how it could have been prevented. That's not the case with this one. It should have been prevented multiple times. Charging the parents is the right move, imo. The more people that are held accountable, the better.

[Jockey]

The prosecutor just laid out her case in her press conference.   The parents look really bad, but this is going to be tough to win.

You are right. The parents will have the best lawyers that right-wing money can buy.

[The Sultan]

This will be the evidence in the future for the "they wanna take all our guns" morons. The nuts will be out on Fox.

You are right. The parents will have the best lawyers that right-wing money can buy.

Is there some sort of right wing defense of the parents that I am missing?  Otherwise, why are you doing this?

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Is there some sort of right wing defense of the parents that I am missing?  Otherwise, why are you doing this?

It's what the Daily Koz told him.   

[Skatastrophy]

Since one of the victims that died had rushed the shooter, is this now a case of self defense?

If it was tried in Wisconsin there would be a good chance.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

If it was tried in Wisconsin there would be a good chance.

Good lord.  🤡

[forgetful]

Is there some sort of right wing defense of the parents that I am missing?  Otherwise, why are you doing this?

I haven't seen any efforts yet. But in general the NRA and 2nd amendment folks are adamantly against holding people responsible in any way, if their guns are used by others to commit crimes. So it would make sense, if they are remotely consistent, for the NRA and 2nd amendment folks to defend the parents.

Regardless, charging someone is one thing. Getting a conviction is another. I'd be surprised if they were able to get any conviction here.

To me, the biggest question is how did the school not enforce the student being removed, and/or calling mental health services immediately. Schools have been locked down for less than drawing a picture of people being shot after searching for ammunition.

It is clear the parents failed. But the school epically failed in this case too.

[Galway Eagle]

I think what gets the parents off is that when they heard about the shooting they check for the gun, called 911 & and texted him not to do it. If they didn't, it'd be much easier to get a conviction.


Just think this family was just another law abiding good guy with a gun... until they weren't. But of course because they eventually weren't they don't fit the box of "good law abiding people deserve guns"... until they don't.

[Pakuni]

Oakland County sheriff says the parents are MIA.

[The Sultan]

I haven't seen any efforts yet. But in general the NRA and 2nd amendment folks are adamantly against holding people responsible in any way, if their guns are used by others to commit crimes. So it would make sense, if they are remotely consistent, for the NRA and 2nd amendment folks to defend the parents.

Regardless, charging someone is one thing. Getting a conviction is another. I'd be surprised if they were able to get any conviction here.

To me, the biggest question is how did the school not enforce the student being removed, and/or calling mental health services immediately. Schools have been locked down for less than drawing a picture of people being shot after searching for ammunition.

It is clear the parents failed. But the school epically failed in this case too.

Agreed.  The school screwed this up as well.

[MuggsyB]

Agreed.  The school screwed this up as well.

Absolutely.  This should have never happened.  Very sad and these parents are disgusting.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

You are right. The parents will have the best lawyers that right-wing money can buy.

My opinion only, but I doubt it. There is no social wedge issue in this one. White kid shoots up a school? No upside to defend him, no way to rile up the base.

The strategy will be to ignore it and claim anyone talking about stricter gun laws is "politicizing it". That been the playbook in the past.

[pbiflyer]

Oakland County sheriff says the parents are MIA.

Oakland County fugitive team searching for parents of Oxford High suspect
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/oakland-county/2021/12/03/oakland-county-fugitive-team-searching-parents-jennifer-james-crumbley-oxford-high-suspect/8855814002/

Fine people!

[tower912]

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2021/12/03/oxford-high-school-shooting-timeline/8854011002/



Timeline

[Skatastrophy]

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2021/12/03/oxford-high-school-shooting-timeline/8854011002/



Timeline

Woof, brutal

[tower912]

I wonder if they will be smart enough to mask up.

[The Sultan]

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2021/12/03/oxford-high-school-shooting-timeline/8854011002/

Timeline

They didn't want to be bothered.  When parenting got tough, they chose not to deal with it.

[pacearrow02]

As more and more facts come out I almost/strangely feel bad for this kid.  Seemed to be screaming for help all the way up to the moment everything boiled over. 

Hope the parents and school officials face some sort of accountability.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2021/12/03/oxford-high-school-shooting-timeline/8854011002/



Timeline

Just about everyone that could have f/cked up did so. 

[MU82]

We've had threads here on Scoop -- usually after one of these needless sprees ends up with multiple deaths -- in which numerous common-sense suggestions to help reduce gun violence have been made.

I mean, how about a law stating that if daddy and mommy buy a gun, they have to provide evidence that they will lock it up securely, where the kids can't get to it? And if they fail to do so, and something like this Oakland incident happens, they would be held accountable and face serious prison time.

Wouldn't that be the definition of a common-sense law that would save lives? Whose 2nd Amendment rights would that take away?

[MuggsyB]

Legally they're unfortunately going to have a hard time proving manslaughter for the parents in the state of Michigan.  As far as negligence for the school it's also probably a difficult case as inept as they were.  I would think though that the  parents of the victims will seek civil action.   What an unmitigated disaster and terrible tragedy.