Thoughts and prayers for Oxford, Mi.

[tower912]

Another sad reminder that tragedies happen all the time.   

[Jockey]

Parents are refusing to cooperate with police. Shocking that their little monster turned out to be a mass murderer.

[tower912]

It is their constitutional right.   Patience.

[Jockey]

It is their constitutional right.   Patience.

Yes, I understand that and I am not saying that they should abandon him. He is their son, after all. But they need to understand that there are several families suffering dearly because of the actions of their kid.

But I think in society, in general, no one wants to take responsibility for their actions (or the actions of their kids).

[tower912]

Jockey, I get the frustration.  I understand the optics.    It has been 6 hours.   Process.

[Billy Hoyle]

It is their constitutional right.   Patience.

if only the killer had driven into the victims, right? Then we could just blame the car.

It is not a "constitutional right" for a 15-year-old to have a gun in MI without parental supervision. The only time I could legally use my gun as a kid was at a range with my dad or hunting with a valid license, again with my dad present.

https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/minimum-age-to-purchase-possess-in-michigan/

[tower912]

It is their constitutional right to lawyer up.

[GB Warrior]

Guess we all need to pray harder so this doesn't happen

[MU82]

Guess we all need to pray harder so this doesn't happen

That, and get everybody guns. If all of the students and teachers at the school had been packin', only good would have come of it.

[Lennys Tap]

But I think in society, in general, no one wants to take responsibility for their actions (or the actions of their kids).

Jockey

Sadly you are spot on.

[forgetful]

It is not a "constitutional right" for a 15-year-old to have a gun in MI without parental supervision. The only time I could legally use my gun as a kid was at a range with my dad or hunting with a valid license, again with my dad present.

https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/minimum-age-to-purchase-possess-in-michigan/

I agree. Kids who illegally possess guns, and then use those weapons to kill others, should be held legally responsible for the deaths of others.

[rocky_warrior]

I agree. Kids who illegally possess guns, and then use those weapons to kill others, should be held legally responsible for the deaths of others.

I see what you did there.

[tower912]

Gun was a black Friday purchase.  Young man spent some time over the weekend shooting with it and posting pictures of himself with it.

[Jockey]

Jockey, I get the frustration.  I understand the optics.    It has been 6 hours.   Process.

Yes. I tell myself exactly that all the time. I just haven't convinced me yet.

[muwarrior69]

Guess we all need to pray harder so this doesn't happen

...but not in school.

[Uncle Rico]

...but not in school.

Good

[The Sultan]

...but not in school.

Kids can pray in school all they want.  They can even do so in groups!

But if you think the answer to fix this is "compel students to engage in prayer," you are really naive. 

[pacearrow02]

Another sad reminder that tragedies happen all the time.

💯🙏

Always tragic and heartbreaking when things like this and any senseless tragedy involving  loss of innocent lives happen but especially difficult to wrap my head around how a family can cope with it during the holiday season.

What should be a time of year spent celebrating will forever be changed for so many. 

[pacearrow02]

Gun was a black Friday purchase.  Young man spent some time over the weekend shooting with it and posting pictures of himself with it.

Have they released who purchased the gun?  Haven't seen it reported.

[MU82]

Have they released who purchased the gun?  Haven't seen it reported.

From the AP:

The boy's father on Friday bought the 9 mm Sig Sauer used in the shooting, Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard said. He didn't know why the man bought the semi-automatic handgun, which his son had been posting pictures of and practicing shooting, Bouchard said.

At least daddy got the gun on sale, so there's that.

[Goose]

Another sad day in America. There really are no words that can be said that explains the sadness of these events.

[pacearrow02]

From the AP:

The boy's father on Friday bought the 9 mm Sig Sauer used in the shooting, Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard said. He didn't know why the man bought the semi-automatic handgun, which his son had been posting pictures of and practicing shooting, Bouchard said.

At least daddy got the gun on sale, so there's that.

Not good 🤦‍♂️

[Billy Hoyle]

From the AP:

The boy's father on Friday bought the 9 mm Sig Sauer used in the shooting, Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard said. He didn't know why the man bought the semi-automatic handgun, which his son had been posting pictures of and practicing shooting, Bouchard said.

At least daddy got the gun on sale, so there's that.

I should check out that sale.

Dad will be held liable, as he should be. Is a safe that hard to get? My dad's safe is freaking impenetrable and only he knows the combo. My buddy's safe has two locks, one a fingerprint lock and another a key lock that has a delay in opening. Reports are the kid was bullied. He likely had mental problems too. If it wasn't a gun he would have done something else.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

If it wasn't a gun he would have done something else.

Yes, there are rampant mass stabbings in high schools.

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1819580358

[Pakuni]

If it wasn't a gun he would have done something else.

It it wasn't a gun, those three four kids would probably still be alive.