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Re: More conference realignment talk
« Reply #175 on: September 13, 2021, 09:10:47 PM »
I wouldn't sleep on Kansas football now that Lance Leipold is there.
Agree was lucky to sit next to Lance Leopold at a table for a banquet dinner where he was an awesome speaker and seemed very intelligent about football and in general.

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« Reply #176 on: September 14, 2021, 03:39:51 AM »
Agree was lucky to sit next to Lance Leopold at a table for a banquet dinner where he was an awesome speaker and seemed very intelligent about football and in general.

Lance is a great guy who will take Kansas back to bowl games. But it will take time. He’s a builder - not a quick fix guy. His AD at Buffalo was patient and he will need the same now.
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Re: More conference realignment talk
« Reply #177 on: September 14, 2021, 09:59:50 AM »
Lance is a great guy who will take Kansas back to bowl games. But it will take time. He’s a builder - not a quick fix guy. His AD at Buffalo was patient and he will need the same now.

Agree...I think the upside is 8, maybe 9 wins but that's pretty good for Kansas.
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Re: More conference realignment talk
« Reply #178 on: September 14, 2021, 11:14:14 AM »

Most college football programs lose money - at all levels.  Yet schools still keep them.  They clearly have value of some sort.

For the Power 5, the "profitability" of a football team is a joke. Everything depends on how costs are allocated.

If you look at football, you have to consider a Contribution Margin, which is the net income before allocation of fixed overhead charges. In short, how much revenue and athletic department resources support football. For example, Under Title 9, male and female scholarships have to be equal. That's fine and nobody is arguing it. But, how do you account for it? Do the incremental scholarships that would not be awarded to women were it not for football get allocated to football? Same for sports that would not exist were it not for legally required parity.

There's no real requirement that college programs use GAAP nor is there any real GAAP for colleges that allow us to compare. That's why I think the whole thing is BS.

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Re: More conference realignment talk
« Reply #179 on: September 14, 2021, 11:46:46 AM »
Lance is a great guy who will take Kansas back to bowl games. But it will take time. He’s a builder - not a quick fix guy. His AD at Buffalo was patient and he will need the same now.

Wish him more success than the last Buffalo--->Kansas HC transition.  Hopefully KU is patient.  But he needed to make the move.  Incredible coach, but he's 57, not many good P5 programs were gonna take a 60 year old who had never coached or coordinated at the P5 level, regardless of his success.

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Re: More conference realignment talk
« Reply #180 on: September 14, 2021, 12:32:49 PM »
Schools find value in football regardless if it’s “profitable” or not. It’s a marketing tool.

and that value is TV money. The AAC schools get nearly $3 million more annually from TV than the Big East schools. The Big 12 schools get $34.5 million annually.
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Re: More conference realignment talk
« Reply #181 on: September 14, 2021, 02:28:01 PM »
and that value is TV money. The AAC schools get nearly $3 million more annually from TV than the Big East schools. The Big 12 schools get $34.5 million annually.

Well, Cincinnati pays their head coach $3.4M annually so with just one employee they're losing money.

Not to mention the assistants, the other staff, the stadium and program upkeep, equipment costs, travel costs, I highly doubt any AAC school was in the black based on that $3M.

In addition, they have to field additional women's programs to offset the scholarship numbers. That's what, 80 more scholarships and student athlete costs that exist for the privilege of having football?

Football might generate a lot of revenue, but that doesn't mean it generates any profit.

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« Reply #182 on: September 14, 2021, 05:04:57 PM »
Well, Cincinnati pays their head coach $3.4M annually so with just one employee they're losing money.

Not to mention the assistants, the other staff, the stadium and program upkeep, equipment costs, travel costs, I highly doubt any AAC school was in the black based on that $3M.

In addition, they have to field additional women's programs to offset the scholarship numbers. That's what, 80 more scholarships and student athlete costs that exist for the privilege of having football?

Football might generate a lot of revenue, but that doesn't mean it generates any profit.

and how much of that is coming from the university? Little. That is money that does not get raised without football.

over $7 million is less than $3.4. That must be the new math I've been hearing about.

And no, they do not have to equalize scholarships one a one for one basis.
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Re: More conference realignment talk
« Reply #183 on: September 14, 2021, 08:54:00 PM »
Big East schools don't pay for football. It's not new math, it's just math.

You make a TV argument in favor of the sport, then cite a program where one employee required for said program makes more than the difference in TV dollars, which completely undermines your argument.

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Re: More conference realignment talk
« Reply #184 on: September 14, 2021, 11:01:47 PM »
Big East schools don't pay for football. It's not new math, it's just math.

Football budgets for the four Big East schools ($M)

Butler: $1.2
Georgetown: $2.2
Villanova: $6.9
Connecticut: $16.6

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Re: More conference realignment talk
« Reply #185 on: September 15, 2021, 04:54:27 AM »
Big East schools don't pay for football. It's not new math, it's just math.

You make a TV argument in favor of the sport, then cite a program where one employee required for said program makes more than the difference in TV dollars, which completely undermines your argument.

His point is that the value of football to a school is more than about how profitable it is as a single entity.
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Re: More conference realignment talk
« Reply #186 on: September 15, 2021, 05:33:35 AM »
His point is that the value of football to a school is more than about how profitable it is as a single entity.

Which is undermined by his claim "and that value is TV money."

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Re: More conference realignment talk
« Reply #187 on: September 15, 2021, 11:40:10 AM »
Football budgets for the four Big East schools ($M)

Butler: $1.2
Georgetown: $2.2
Villanova: $6.9
Connecticut: $16.6
Villanova is getting an excellent return on that investment.
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