More conference realignment talk

[WhiteTrash]

Clay Travis?? He claims to be college sports legal guru yet he doesn't know if the Big East exists??

I'm so tired of the sports "media".  ESPN and guys like Travis are a joke.

I don't know if his assertions are valid. I do know most thought Maryland would walk away from the ACC free and clear and that did not happen.

[Nukem2]

Clay Travis?? He claims to be college sports legal guru yet he doesn't know if the Big East exists??

I'm so tired of the sports "media".  ESPN and guys like Travis are a joke.

I don't know if his assertions are valid. I do know most thought Maryland would walk away from the ACC free and clear and that did not happen.

Article is from 9 years ago

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Article is from 9 years ago

And it wasn't written by him.  It was written by someone else and posted by Travis.

[WhiteTrash]

Article is from 9 years ago

Oops! My bad.

[Scoop Snoop]

Unless there have been substantial changes in court rulings regarding contract law- specifically in reference to conference issues- the fact that the article is 9 years old is, to me, irrelevant. The man is a contract attorney and has provided the readers of the article with a reality check. Those of us without legal training may look at a summary of a contract, be it grant of rights or some other issue, and honestly and confidently believe we understand it. It should be very clear to us laymen that we do not know as any where near as much as we may have thought we knew about contracts.

 

[Herman Cain]

Unless there have been substantial changes in court rulings regarding contract law- specifically in reference to conference issues- the fact that the article is 9 years old is, to me, irrelevant. The man is a contract attorney and has provided the readers of the article with a reality check. Those of us without legal training may look at a summary of a contract, be it grant of rights or some other issue, and honestly and confidently believe we understand it. It should be very clear to us laymen that we do not know as any where near as much as we may have thought we knew about contracts.

[Herman Cain]

Article on Big 12 Expansion strategy and BYU

https://www.deseret.com/2021/8/25/22641252/the-big-12-reacts-to-big-ten-acc-pac-12-alliance-formation-would-league-expansion-talks-include-byu

[jesmu84]

https://theathletic.com/news/big-12-expansion-talks-focused-on-byu-ucf-cincinnati-houston-sources/5CZvjXPK0mL1

[Herman Cain]

https://theathletic.com/news/big-12-expansion-talks-focused-on-byu-ucf-cincinnati-houston-sources/5CZvjXPK0mL1

BYU has the best long term football pedigrees and would definitely bring value to the Big 12 as it exists post Oklahoma and Texas. Cincinnati has had some success the last 15 years .UCF and Houston ,I guess , would be valuable for the marketing eyeballs they bring . All four would probably be able to up their recruiting as a result of joining .

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

BYU and Cincinnati have the best long term football pedigrees and would definitely bring value to the Big 12 as it exists post Oklahoma and Texas. UCF and Houston ,I guess , would be valuable for the marketing eyeballs they bring . All four would probably be able to up their recruiting as a result of joining .

Slightly better than the current AAC and every member would still leave for the other four conferences if they are invited.

I mean yeah it's the best they can do but it's still not great.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Could strike a TV deal of 20-25 million per school. Basketball is about 20%. Strong hoops league still. If the 12 team playoff happens in football, Big12 will be fine.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Could strike a TV deal of 20-25 million per school. Basketball is about 20%. Strong hoops league still. If the 12 team playoff happens in football, Big12 will be fine.

We will see. That's just about in total what the B12 is making now. Minus UT and OU?

[Mr. Nielsen]

I believe the Big 12 is $37 million per year/school. Some AD have said OU/Texas alone are 50% of that.

[Herman Cain]

Slightly better than the current AAC and every member would still leave for the other four conferences if they are invited.

I mean yeah it's the best they can do but it's still not great.

My guess is the remaining schools realize it's in their mutual best interest to stay together as long as they are in a P5 conference for Football. Since none are getting an invite to leave anytime soon. I think BYU ,for sure, would up the profile of the remaining conference .

Basketball is still very good and should keep bringing home NCAA Units for the Big 12 conference , 7 teams made the tourney last year and Baylor won it all which will pay nice dividends for 6 years. However , football is the sport that is what all the TV dollar decisions are made on.

[WhiteTrash]

What's the alternative? The rest of the Big 12 are not going independent.  That would still be a darn good conference.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

With the P12 deciding not to expand for now,  the B12 is safe....also for now. The second the the P4 decides to expand, they are toast.

[JWags85]

BYU and Cincinnati have the best long term football pedigrees and would definitely bring value to the Big 12 as it exists post Oklahoma and Texas. UCF and Houston ,I guess , would be valuable for the marketing eyeballs they bring . All four would probably be able to up their recruiting as a result of joining .

Say wha?  If you mean long term potential, I could buy that, but UC was a TRASH program for decades.  They had some nice success under Brian Kelly and Fickell has them rolling now, but they had a losing record in bowls until 2 seasons ago.  Hell, they were bad under Tuberville less than 5 seasons ago.  They went 40 years without a bowl appearance.

[GoldenWarrior11]

Basketball wise, the new Big 12 would be a strong league.  Other than UCF and TCU, there's ten very good programs that could keep the Battle moving forward.

For the AAC, Memphis is clearly a loser here. However, they "recruit" regardless of conference affiliation.  AAC drops down several steps in basketball, with the six power conferences separating themselves from the pack.

[Herman Cain]

Say wha?  If you mean long term potential, I could buy that, but UC was a TRASH program for decades.  They had some nice success under Brian Kelly and Fickell has them rolling now, but they had a losing record in bowls until 2 seasons ago.  Hell, they were bad under Tuberville less than 5 seasons ago.  They went 40 years without a bowl appearance.

Agree. Amended previous post.

[Herman Cain]

BYU could be coming soon per this report in their local paper.

https://www.deseret.com/platform/amp/2021/9/3/22655749/byu-could-reportedly-get-invited-to-the-big-12-this-month-big-12-expansion-houston-ucf-cincinnati

[Pakuni]

BYU, Houston, Cincinnati and UCF applying for admission to the Big 12.

[Herman Cain]

BYU, Houston, Cincinnati and UCF applying for admission to the Big 12.

They are even saying it's a "Done Deal"

https://www.ksl.com/article/50234564/could-byu-secure-big-12-invitation-as-early-as-next-week-one-report-says-so

[WhiteTrash]

The Big 12 could never replace TX and OK but they seem to be doing the best they can do. As I said before It's still a very good conference.

[Billy Hoyle]

BYU, Houston, Cincinnati and UCF applying for admission to the Big 12.

UCF? If the Big 12 doesn't take them will they declare themselves members anyway?

Colorado Stare or Boise State make more sense. UCF may get them into Florida but not much else. They're 4th, at best, in that state.

[forgetful]

UCF? If the Big 12 doesn't take them will they declare themselves members anyway?

Colorado Stare or Boise State make more sense. UCF may get them into Florida but not much else. They're 4th, at best, in that state.

UCF has an alumni base of over 320k, and over 72k current students. It is the largest school in Florida, and the largest public university in the US.

They are growing very rapidly, and due to their alumni base will attract a lot of eyeballs for TV contracts.