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Author Topic: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.  (Read 16775 times)


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Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2021, 05:55:07 AM »
https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-heart-inflammation-cases-ages-140826238.html

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The agency said it is still assessing the risk from the condition and has not yet concluded that there was a causal relationship between the vaccines and cases of myocarditis or pericarditis.

Basically, while it is possible that the vaccines cause this, there is no proof that they do.  I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the inflammation is more likely caused by something environmental.  We put a lot of crap in our bodies that we seem to be on board with despite known data suggesting it's safety.

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Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2021, 08:20:55 AM »
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Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2021, 11:21:14 AM »
You know what else gives people myocarditis?  A Covid infection.

https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/articles/2021/02/05/19/37/covid-19-as-a-possible-cause-of-myocarditis-and-pericarditis

Get the vaccine.

And myriad other things.  I'm pretty sure there was evidence of myocarditis after the flu vaccine as well...but the flu also can cause myocarditis.  Just more noise.

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Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2021, 11:32:18 AM »
I swear this is like a Rorschach test of confirmation bias/websites going click hunting.

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Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2021, 11:52:12 AM »
I swear this is like a Rorschach test of confirmation bias/websites going click hunting.

Data: Includes Event
Webmaster/Editor/Publisher/Blogger: <bets people would love to click on a story regarding Event>
Person Predisposed to Reach Conclusion X: <sees Event>, <reaches preferred conclusion>

Ah, so you've figured out the internet now, have you.

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Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2021, 10:23:28 PM »
And myriad other things.  I'm pretty sure there was evidence of myocarditis after the flu vaccine as well...but the flu also can cause myocarditis.  Just more noise.

Well there would be this same uproar if many businesses required the flu vaccine, but that hasn’t happened yet.

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Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2021, 01:14:31 AM »
Well there would be this same uproar if many businesses required the flu vaccine, but that hasn’t happened yet.

But the flu vaccine is proven for years and years.  So is it that the vaccine is “unsafe” or “unproven” or you’re just anti-vaxx?

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Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2021, 01:32:19 AM »
But the flu vaccine is proven for years and years.  So is it that the vaccine is “unsafe” or “unproven” or you’re just anti-vaxx?

It’s unproven but it’s also not enough of a deal in the risk/reward analysis as a 31 year old, not even close to overweight or obese guy to feel like I ‘need’ to get.  I’m more careful than most of the unvaccinated I’d say.

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Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2021, 07:50:55 AM »
Well there would be this same uproar if many businesses required the flu vaccine, but that hasn’t happened yet.

The flu vaccine is required by many companies (healthcare). No uproar.

Many vaccines are required by the military. They just tell them to line up, and most don't even know what they are getting vaccinated for. No uproar.

Suddenly, a safe vaccine for a deadly illness that has killed 750k Americans...uproar.

Difference. Politics.

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Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2021, 08:36:41 AM »
The flu vaccine is required by many companies (healthcare). No uproar.

Many vaccines are required by the military. They just tell them to line up, and most don't even know what they are getting vaccinated for. No uproar.

Suddenly, a safe vaccine for a deadly illness that has killed 750k Americans...uproar.

Difference. Politics.

Many more years of studying the effects of flu vaccine...a pretty significant difference in research time wouldn’t you say?  Or are you a time denier?  Is it a social construct?

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Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2021, 08:42:00 AM »
Many more years of studying the effects of flu vaccine...a pretty significant difference in research time wouldn’t you say?  Or are you a time denier?  Is it a social construct?

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Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2021, 08:42:07 AM »
Many more years of studying the effects of flu vaccine...a pretty significant difference in research time wouldn’t you say?  Or are you a time denier?  Is it a social construct?


Why do you need more time?  The Covid vaccine has been around long enough for you to know that it is both safe and effective.
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Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2021, 08:42:35 AM »
Many more years of studying the effects of flu vaccine...a pretty significant difference in research time wouldn’t you say?  Or are you a time denier?  Is it a social construct?

Can you define the difference of “many years of studying” the effects of the flu vaccine versus a mRNA vaccine?

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Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2021, 08:56:08 AM »
Going back to the myocarditis thing.  As likely mentioned elsewhere, you are way more likely to get myocarditis from a covid infection than as a side effect from the vaccination.  For those thinking about this issue with kids, the incidence as a side effect of vaccination is 67 cases per one million doses or a 0.000067 chance.  Kids are 5 times more likely to get myocarditis as a complication of an actual covid infection.

Covid is known to cause clotting issues as a complication and the vaccine stimulating an immune response can do this.   The flu vaccine will likely become a mRNA vaccine due to how effective the covid vaccine efficacy is and flu doesn't typically cause clotting issues.  Future flu vaccines will be drastically better due to development of covid vaccine
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Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2021, 09:00:06 AM »
And aren’t mRNA vaccines easier to manufacture? Or did I hear that wrong.
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Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2021, 09:49:57 AM »
And aren’t mRNA vaccines easier to manufacture? Or did I hear that wrong.

Yes, manufacturing is safer and quicker than traditional vaccines. The challenge is that there are still bottlenecks in the manufacturing process as we build towards continuous manufacturing at scale. Last time I read about this stuff was in Spring of this year, so I'm sure we've made some progress especially with the HIV and Cancer mRNA vaccines in the pipeline.

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Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2021, 11:52:00 AM »
Many more years of studying the effects of flu vaccine...a pretty significant difference in research time wouldn’t you say?  Or are you a time denier?  Is it a social construct?

The SARS-related vaccines have been in development since 2003.

Vaccine-induced side effects occur in short duration after vaccination. The components of an mRNA vaccine are not in your system very long. So side effects related to these vaccines are already known through both clinical trials and now widespread usage.

The side effects are minimal and comparable to your typical flu vaccines (in many regards lower as they do not contain eggs which limit their use in many people).

So your retort of "research time" is largely moot and meaningless, and reeks of someone simply trying to argue for the sake of arguing.

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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2021, 11:53:40 AM »

Why do you need more time?  The Covid vaccine has been around long enough for you to know that it is both safe and effective.

Effective for 3-6 months, but not safe enough for certain age groups to be a clear yes.  Teen girls and young women have a heckuva decision on their hands given for those who aren’t immunocompromised the chance of death or even serious hospitalization is well under 1%.

Also why do you think PHDs are among the most hesitant groups to get vaxxed?
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Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2021, 11:58:52 AM »
Effective for 3-6 months, but not safe enough for certain age groups to be a clear yes.  Teen girls and young women have a heckuva decision on their hands given for those who aren’t immunocompromised the chance of death or even serious hospitalization is well under 1%.

Also why do you think PHDs are among the most hesitant groups to get vaxxed?
I’m sorry but why do teen girls have a difficult decision?  And don’t say fertility issues because that is false. 
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Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2021, 12:09:19 PM »
I’m sorry but why do teen girls have a difficult decision?  And don’t say fertility issues because that is false.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.11.21264863v1.full


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Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2021, 12:22:35 PM »
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.11.21264863v1.full

According to that (non-peer reviewed) study, it seems teens don't have much to worry about:

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20211015/Study-finds-menstrual-bleeding-changes-after-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination.aspx
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The findings revealed that women with regular menstrual cycles were equally likely to have no bleeding changes after vaccination or heavier periods post-vaccination.

Meanwhile, among women with menstrual cycles, those who had heavier bleeding post-vaccination were more likely to be older, experienced fever or fatigue, have been pregnant or have given birth, and be Hispanic/Latinx. In addition, women with endometriosis, menorrhagia and/or fibroids had a slightly higher propensity to experience heavier bleeding.

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Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2021, 12:26:43 PM »
According to that (non-peer reviewed) study, it seems teens don't have much to worry about:

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20211015/Study-finds-menstrual-bleeding-changes-after-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination.aspx

And they have to worry about severe illness or death from the actual virus?  Very few do so like I said the decision is not clear cut as you want to think.

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Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2021, 12:27:48 PM »
Effective for 3-6 months, but not safe enough for certain age groups to be a clear yes.  Teen girls and young women have a heckuva decision on their hands given for those who aren’t immunocompromised the chance of death or even serious hospitalization is well under 1%.

Also why do you think PHDs are among the most hesitant groups to get vaxxed?


Again, you keep saying 3-6 months.  That is inaccurate.

And your information about PhDs is old and was misleading.

You are a typical example of what's wrong with people who think they are smarter than they really are.
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