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Title: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: muwarrior69 on June 11, 2021, 05:00:27 AM
https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-heart-inflammation-cases-ages-140826238.html
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: Hards Alumni on June 11, 2021, 05:55:07 AM
https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-heart-inflammation-cases-ages-140826238.html

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The agency said it is still assessing the risk from the condition and has not yet concluded that there was a causal relationship between the vaccines and cases of myocarditis or pericarditis.

Basically, while it is possible that the vaccines cause this, there is no proof that they do.  I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the inflammation is more likely caused by something environmental.  We put a lot of crap in our bodies that we seem to be on board with despite known data suggesting it's safety.

I never reheat any food in plastic for this reason.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 11, 2021, 08:20:55 AM
You know what else gives people myocarditis?  A Covid infection.

https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/articles/2021/02/05/19/37/covid-19-as-a-possible-cause-of-myocarditis-and-pericarditis

Get the vaccine.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: JWags85 on June 11, 2021, 11:21:14 AM
You know what else gives people myocarditis?  A Covid infection.

https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/articles/2021/02/05/19/37/covid-19-as-a-possible-cause-of-myocarditis-and-pericarditis

Get the vaccine.

And myriad other things.  I'm pretty sure there was evidence of myocarditis after the flu vaccine as well...but the flu also can cause myocarditis.  Just more noise.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: jficke13 on June 11, 2021, 11:32:18 AM
I swear this is like a Rorschach test of confirmation bias/websites going click hunting.

Data: Includes Event
Webmaster/Editor/Publisher/Blogger: <bets people would love to click on a story regarding Event>
Person Predisposed to Reach Conclusion X: <sees Event>, <reaches preferred conclusion>
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: Hards Alumni on June 11, 2021, 11:52:12 AM
I swear this is like a Rorschach test of confirmation bias/websites going click hunting.

Data: Includes Event
Webmaster/Editor/Publisher/Blogger: <bets people would love to click on a story regarding Event>
Person Predisposed to Reach Conclusion X: <sees Event>, <reaches preferred conclusion>

Ah, so you've figured out the internet now, have you.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: MU82 on June 12, 2021, 01:06:37 PM
You know what else gives people myocarditis?  A Covid infection.

https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/articles/2021/02/05/19/37/covid-19-as-a-possible-cause-of-myocarditis-and-pericarditis

Get the vaccine.

Yep yep yep.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: statnik on November 05, 2021, 10:23:28 PM
And myriad other things.  I'm pretty sure there was evidence of myocarditis after the flu vaccine as well...but the flu also can cause myocarditis.  Just more noise.

Well there would be this same uproar if many businesses required the flu vaccine, but that hasn’t happened yet.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: JWags85 on November 06, 2021, 01:14:31 AM
Well there would be this same uproar if many businesses required the flu vaccine, but that hasn’t happened yet.

But the flu vaccine is proven for years and years.  So is it that the vaccine is “unsafe” or “unproven” or you’re just anti-vaxx?
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: statnik on November 06, 2021, 01:32:19 AM
But the flu vaccine is proven for years and years.  So is it that the vaccine is “unsafe” or “unproven” or you’re just anti-vaxx?

It’s unproven but it’s also not enough of a deal in the risk/reward analysis as a 31 year old, not even close to overweight or obese guy to feel like I ‘need’ to get.  I’m more careful than most of the unvaccinated I’d say.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: forgetful on November 06, 2021, 07:50:55 AM
Well there would be this same uproar if many businesses required the flu vaccine, but that hasn’t happened yet.

The flu vaccine is required by many companies (healthcare). No uproar.

Many vaccines are required by the military. They just tell them to line up, and most don't even know what they are getting vaccinated for. No uproar.

Suddenly, a safe vaccine for a deadly illness that has killed 750k Americans...uproar.

Difference. Politics.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: statnik on November 06, 2021, 08:36:41 AM
The flu vaccine is required by many companies (healthcare). No uproar.

Many vaccines are required by the military. They just tell them to line up, and most don't even know what they are getting vaccinated for. No uproar.

Suddenly, a safe vaccine for a deadly illness that has killed 750k Americans...uproar.

Difference. Politics.

Many more years of studying the effects of flu vaccine...a pretty significant difference in research time wouldn’t you say?  Or are you a time denier?  Is it a social construct?
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 06, 2021, 08:42:00 AM
Many more years of studying the effects of flu vaccine...a pretty significant difference in research time wouldn’t you say?  Or are you a time denier?  Is it a social construct?

Just asking questions, doing my own research
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 06, 2021, 08:42:07 AM
Many more years of studying the effects of flu vaccine...a pretty significant difference in research time wouldn’t you say?  Or are you a time denier?  Is it a social construct?


Why do you need more time?  The Covid vaccine has been around long enough for you to know that it is both safe and effective.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: 🏀 on November 06, 2021, 08:42:35 AM
Many more years of studying the effects of flu vaccine...a pretty significant difference in research time wouldn’t you say?  Or are you a time denier?  Is it a social construct?

Can you define the difference of “many years of studying” the effects of the flu vaccine versus a mRNA vaccine?
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: Bo Ryan's Massage Therapist on November 06, 2021, 08:56:08 AM
Going back to the myocarditis thing.  As likely mentioned elsewhere, you are way more likely to get myocarditis from a covid infection than as a side effect from the vaccination.  For those thinking about this issue with kids, the incidence as a side effect of vaccination is 67 cases per one million doses or a 0.000067 chance.  Kids are 5 times more likely to get myocarditis as a complication of an actual covid infection.

Covid is known to cause clotting issues as a complication and the vaccine stimulating an immune response can do this.   The flu vaccine will likely become a mRNA vaccine due to how effective the covid vaccine efficacy is and flu doesn't typically cause clotting issues.  Future flu vaccines will be drastically better due to development of covid vaccine
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 06, 2021, 09:00:06 AM
And aren’t mRNA vaccines easier to manufacture? Or did I hear that wrong.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: Skatastrophy on November 06, 2021, 09:49:57 AM
And aren’t mRNA vaccines easier to manufacture? Or did I hear that wrong.

Yes, manufacturing is safer and quicker than traditional vaccines. The challenge is that there are still bottlenecks in the manufacturing process as we build towards continuous manufacturing at scale. Last time I read about this stuff was in Spring of this year, so I'm sure we've made some progress especially with the HIV and Cancer mRNA vaccines in the pipeline.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: forgetful on November 06, 2021, 11:52:00 AM
Many more years of studying the effects of flu vaccine...a pretty significant difference in research time wouldn’t you say?  Or are you a time denier?  Is it a social construct?

The SARS-related vaccines have been in development since 2003.

Vaccine-induced side effects occur in short duration after vaccination. The components of an mRNA vaccine are not in your system very long. So side effects related to these vaccines are already known through both clinical trials and now widespread usage.

The side effects are minimal and comparable to your typical flu vaccines (in many regards lower as they do not contain eggs which limit their use in many people).

So your retort of "research time" is largely moot and meaningless, and reeks of someone simply trying to argue for the sake of arguing.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: statnik on November 06, 2021, 11:53:40 AM

Why do you need more time?  The Covid vaccine has been around long enough for you to know that it is both safe and effective.

Effective for 3-6 months, but not safe enough for certain age groups to be a clear yes.  Teen girls and young women have a heckuva decision on their hands given for those who aren’t immunocompromised the chance of death or even serious hospitalization is well under 1%.

Also why do you think PHDs are among the most hesitant groups to get vaxxed?
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: Bo Ryan's Massage Therapist on November 06, 2021, 11:58:52 AM
Effective for 3-6 months, but not safe enough for certain age groups to be a clear yes.  Teen girls and young women have a heckuva decision on their hands given for those who aren’t immunocompromised the chance of death or even serious hospitalization is well under 1%.

Also why do you think PHDs are among the most hesitant groups to get vaxxed?
I’m sorry but why do teen girls have a difficult decision?  And don’t say fertility issues because that is false. 
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: statnik on November 06, 2021, 12:09:19 PM
I’m sorry but why do teen girls have a difficult decision?  And don’t say fertility issues because that is false.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.11.21264863v1.full

Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: rocky_warrior on November 06, 2021, 12:22:35 PM
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.11.21264863v1.full

According to that (non-peer reviewed) study, it seems teens don't have much to worry about:

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20211015/Study-finds-menstrual-bleeding-changes-after-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination.aspx
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The findings revealed that women with regular menstrual cycles were equally likely to have no bleeding changes after vaccination or heavier periods post-vaccination.

Meanwhile, among women with menstrual cycles, those who had heavier bleeding post-vaccination were more likely to be older, experienced fever or fatigue, have been pregnant or have given birth, and be Hispanic/Latinx. In addition, women with endometriosis, menorrhagia and/or fibroids had a slightly higher propensity to experience heavier bleeding.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: statnik on November 06, 2021, 12:26:43 PM
According to that (non-peer reviewed) study, it seems teens don't have much to worry about:

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20211015/Study-finds-menstrual-bleeding-changes-after-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination.aspx

And they have to worry about severe illness or death from the actual virus?  Very few do so like I said the decision is not clear cut as you want to think.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 06, 2021, 12:27:48 PM
Effective for 3-6 months, but not safe enough for certain age groups to be a clear yes.  Teen girls and young women have a heckuva decision on their hands given for those who aren’t immunocompromised the chance of death or even serious hospitalization is well under 1%.

Also why do you think PHDs are among the most hesitant groups to get vaxxed?


Again, you keep saying 3-6 months.  That is inaccurate.

And your information about PhDs is old and was misleading.

You are a typical example of what's wrong with people who think they are smarter than they really are.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: statnik on November 06, 2021, 12:36:18 PM

Again, you keep saying 3-6 months.  That is inaccurate.

And your information about PhDs is old and was misleading.

You are a typical example of what's wrong with people who think they are smarter than they really are.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness-drops-after-6-months-study-2021-10-04/

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/09/28/1041133830/for-people-who-got-the-j-j-vaccine-some-doctors-are-advising-boosters-asap

Significant drop off within the timeframe mentioned, when you’re getting under 50% would you call that effective?
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 06, 2021, 12:40:18 PM
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness-drops-after-6-months-study-2021-10-04/

“After six months” is not “3-6 months”
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: rocky_warrior on November 06, 2021, 12:41:04 PM
And they have to worry about severe illness or death from the actual virus?  Very few do so like I said the decision is not clear cut as you want to think.

Current studies indicate that their (17 or younger) chance of death from Covid does not change much with the vaccine f(certainly the vaccine doesn't increase the chances).  However, their ability to pass the virus onto older loved ones in their lives does increase without the vaccine.  Also, those studies were mostly completed before variants started emerging.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: statnik on November 06, 2021, 12:42:50 PM
“After six months” is not “3-6 months”

I literally said good for three to six months which is correct when considering all the vaccines.  Maybe Novavax since it is a more traditional one may be longer, let’s hope so because right now all these rules ring hollow when those who chose not to get boosters or are not recommended to have worse protection than those who have natural immunity from a recent infection.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: 🏀 on November 06, 2021, 02:22:49 PM

Also why do you think PHDs are among the most hesitant groups to get vaxxed?

Source?

Just like everything else I’ve called you out on, you won’t answer. Just throw Facebook crap on the wall and ignore.

Idiot.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: statnik on November 06, 2021, 02:35:00 PM
Source?

Just like everything else I’ve called you out on, you won’t answer. Just throw Facebook crap on the wall and ignore.

Idiot.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/americans-with-phds-are-most-reluctant-to-get-vaccinated-against-covid/ar-AANjRHh

Here you go, sport.  I provide links and then get nitpicked so I guess it’s not fair investment.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 06, 2021, 02:50:52 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/americans-with-phds-are-most-reluctant-to-get-vaccinated-against-covid/ar-AANjRHh

Here you go, sport.  I provide links and then get nitpicked so I guess it’s not fair investment.

Already pretty much debunked.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wnct.com/news/north-carolina/fact-check-setting-the-record-straight-on-claims-about-vaccine-hesitancy-among-ph-d-s/amp/

But that’s just “the media” pushing their “agenda” right?
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: 🏀 on November 06, 2021, 02:54:41 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/americans-with-phds-are-most-reluctant-to-get-vaccinated-against-covid/ar-AANjRHh

Here you go, sport.  I provide links and then get nitpicked so I guess it’s not fair investment.

Loooooooolz. Fluffy beat me to it, but knew the exact link that was coming.

Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: rocky_warrior on November 06, 2021, 03:07:45 PM
I provide links and then get nitpicked so I guess it’s not fair investment.

If you're being "fair", you would come out and say that you believe that covid-19 and the vaccine are some sort of political power-play.  Anybody that believes it's a horrible pandemic (it is), or that the vaccine is our best way out of it (it is), is a sheep to you.

You've let your mind get twisted into all this bad info, because you let politics define you.  Be better, be your own person.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: statnik on November 06, 2021, 03:12:11 PM
If you're being "fair", you would come out and say that you believe that covid-19 and the vaccine are some sort of political power-play.  Anybody that believes it's a horrible pandemic (it is), or that the vaccine is our best way out of it (it is), is a sheep to you.

You've let your mind get twisted into all this bad info, because you let politics define you.  Be better, be your own person.

So ironic that you want me to be my own person but submit to the vaccine.  Doesn’t seem very consistent.  The vaccine is one of several methods that will probably collectively slowly lead us out but it’s not the cure-all that some believe it is.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 06, 2021, 03:19:13 PM
So ironic that you want me to be my own person but submit to the vaccine.  Doesn’t seem very consistent.  The vaccine is one of several methods that will probably collectively slowly lead us out but it’s not the cure-all that some believe it is.


I want you to get the vaccine because it's safe and effective.  I don't want you to "submit" to anything you don't want to.  But freedom has consequences and life is full of choices.

But I do want you to stop spreading disinformation.  You are part of the problem in that regard.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: reinko on November 06, 2021, 03:25:26 PM
First time caller, long time listener.

Still waiting to hear the first story of any American forced to get the vaccine.

I’ll hang up and listen, thanks for taking my call.

Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: rocky_warrior on November 06, 2021, 04:26:02 PM
So ironic that you want me to be my own person but submit to the vaccine.  Doesn’t seem very consistent.  The vaccine is one of several methods that will probably collectively slowly lead us out but it’s not the cure-all that some believe it is.

I don't give a rats ass whether you get the vaccine, thought I do believe it would be in the best interest of your long term health.   But maybe you should stop preaching that others should not get it?  That's what's not consistent.  You're parroting fringe talking points, instead of believing the incredible scientists that developed the vaccines, or the scholars we employ as a country to vet the medicines that are approved. 
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: statnik on November 06, 2021, 04:28:58 PM
I don't give a rats ass whether you get the vaccine, thought I do believe it would be in the best interest of your long term health.   But maybe you should stop preaching that others should not get it?  That's what's not consistent.  You're parroting fringe talking points, instead of believing the incredible scientists that developed the vaccines, or the scholars we employ as a country to vet the medicines that are approved.

I never said people shouldn’t get it, I did say it isn’t an easy decision for the young and healthy and there shouldn’t be mandates.  I stand by those thoughts, it’s useful for the immunocompromised, old and anyone obese or with clear comorbidities.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: rocky_warrior on November 06, 2021, 05:16:54 PM
I never said people shouldn’t get it

Um, short memory...

I’m sorry about your breakthrough case.  You should be glad you can’t get a booster soon, you’re willingly exposing yourself again if you do, good chance you’d get flu like symptoms from the booster itself so soon after natural infection.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: statnik on November 06, 2021, 05:51:50 PM
Um, short memory...

I stand by that statement too, nice try.  It is well documented that you should not get a vaccine or a booster to the original within 90 days of infection and I know if I got a breakthrough case within 6 months or so of a vax I wouldn’t be clamoring to get a booster.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wcnc.com/amp/article/news/health/coronavirus/vaccine/covid-19-breakthroughs-boosters/275-97ca674b-cba7-4041-a2b3-b0f515aacf06
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: rocky_warrior on November 06, 2021, 07:09:00 PM
I stand by that statement too, nice try.  It is well documented that you should not get a vaccine or a booster to the original within 90 days of infection and I know if I got a breakthrough case within 6 months or so of a vax I wouldn’t be clamoring to get a booster.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wcnc.com/amp/article/news/health/coronavirus/vaccine/covid-19-breakthroughs-boosters/275-97ca674b-cba7-4041-a2b3-b0f515aacf06

Sigh.  Well, thought I could help you.  Turns out you don't want help.  No worries, but be prepared for your bad info to be called bad info all the time. 
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: 🏀 on November 06, 2021, 07:49:50 PM
Sigh.  Well, thought I could help you.  Turns out you don't want help.  No worries, but be prepared for your bad info to be called bad info all the time. 

SoCal IP again?
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: jfmu on November 06, 2021, 10:03:46 PM
Current studies indicate that their (17 or younger) chance of death from Covid does not change much with the vaccine f(certainly the vaccine doesn't increase the chances).  However, their ability to pass the virus onto older loved ones in their lives does increase without the vaccine.  Also, those studies were mostly completed before variants started emerging.

I thought vaccination made no difference in transmission?

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/vaccinated-people-can-transmit-the-coronavirus-but-its-still-more-likely-if-youre-unvaccinated

“ Although fully vaccinated people were less likely to contract an infection, when they did — what’s known as a breakthrough infection — they can transmit the Delta variant at a similar level as unvaccinated people.

Researchers found that 25 percent of household contacts exposed to a fully vaccinated person in the household contracted an infection themselves.

Of those exposed to an unvaccinated household member, 23 percent contracted an infection.”

Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: MU82 on November 06, 2021, 10:55:08 PM
Super-sad article about an 8-year-old girl who had no pre-existing conditions suffering for months and months with long-haul COVID-19.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article255382901.html
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: statnik on November 06, 2021, 10:59:00 PM
I thought vaccination made no difference in transmission?

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/vaccinated-people-can-transmit-the-coronavirus-but-its-still-more-likely-if-youre-unvaccinated

“ Although fully vaccinated people were less likely to contract an infection, when they did — what’s known as a breakthrough infection — they can transmit the Delta variant at a similar level as unvaccinated people.

Researchers found that 25 percent of household contacts exposed to a fully vaccinated person in the household contracted an infection themselves.

Of those exposed to an unvaccinated household member, 23 percent contracted an infection.”

Yeah I saw that as well.  Another thing that a lot of the vaccinated (especially liberals) misconstrue is that the vaccinated are all rebellious MAGA types in terms of masking and other precautions.  It’s simply not true, there are a lot of careful, freedom loving people that are ok with continuing masking in high risk areas to make up for the fact they may be a bit more likely to catch COVID.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: rocky_warrior on November 07, 2021, 01:39:10 AM
I thought vaccination made no difference in transmission?

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/vaccinated-people-can-transmit-the-coronavirus-but-its-still-more-likely-if-youre-unvaccinated

???  That's not what the article says, nor what I'm saying.  In fact the headline is basically exactly what I was saying "Vaccinated People Can Transmit the Coronavirus, but It’s Still More Likely If You’re Unvaccinated"
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: jfmu on November 07, 2021, 02:05:39 AM
???  That's not what the article says, nor what I'm saying.  In fact the headline is basically exactly what I was saying "Vaccinated People Can Transmit the Coronavirus, but It’s Still More Likely If You’re Unvaccinated"

Did you miss the quote at the bottom of my post? It’s exactly the opposite of what you said.

I guess you committed the cardinal sin of just reading article headlines…
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 07, 2021, 06:56:38 AM
I thought vaccination made no difference in transmission?

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/vaccinated-people-can-transmit-the-coronavirus-but-its-still-more-likely-if-youre-unvaccinated

“ Although fully vaccinated people were less likely to contract an infection, when they did — what’s known as a breakthrough infection — they can transmit the Delta variant at a similar level as unvaccinated people.

Researchers found that 25 percent of household contacts exposed to a fully vaccinated person in the household contracted an infection themselves.

Of those exposed to an unvaccinated household member, 23 percent contracted an infection.”


 ::) ::) ::)

From the same article.  Perhaps you should read the whole thing next time because the fully vaccinated are infectious for a shorter period of time, which means they ARE less likely to transmit it.

"Even though the peak viral load was similar for vaccinated and unvaccinated people, the viral load decreased faster for fully vaccinated people with a Delta infection than for unvaccinated people.

“This study confirms that COVID-19 vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection
and also accelerates viral clearance in the context of the delta variant,” Wilders-Smith wrote.

Viral load is directly related to infectiousness. Higher viral loads are more likely to lead to transmission of the virus.

The study results suggest that because the viral load of vaccinated people drops off more quickly, their infection may be infectious for a shorter time than for unvaccinated people."


This is a prime example of risks of people misunderstanding what the science is saying.  "Doing your own research" is cool if you actually ya know....do the research.  But selectively quoting a portion of an article isn't doing research.  All you are engaging in is finding anything to support your ridiculous position. 
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 07, 2021, 06:58:59 AM
Yeah I saw that as well.  Another thing that a lot of the vaccinated (especially liberals) misconstrue is that the vaccinated are all rebellious MAGA types in terms of masking and other precautions.  It’s simply not true, there are a lot of careful, freedom loving people that are ok with continuing masking in high risk areas to make up for the fact they may be a bit more likely to catch COVID.


Yes.  Scientific illiteracy cuts across all political leanings.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: Bo Ryan's Massage Therapist on November 07, 2021, 07:49:38 AM
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.11.21264863v1.full

Did you notice your article linked is not peer reviewed.  meanwhile there have been several million dollars in grants put towards this concern with active studies currently going on.  Most women report one cycle being off and then returning back to normal cycles.  The american academy of OBGYN has been aware of this and based on whats out there hasn't changed their stance.  They strongly encourage all women to get the vaccine especially pregnant women. 
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: tower912 on November 07, 2021, 07:57:13 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46dcQE2mzPI


Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. 
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 07, 2021, 08:28:31 AM
Did you notice your article linked is not peer reviewed.  meanwhile there have been several million dollars in grants put towards this concern with active studies currently going on.  Most women report one cycle being off and then returning back to normal cycles.  The american academy of OBGYN has been aware of this and based on whats out there hasn't changed their stance.  They strongly encourage all women to get the vaccine especially pregnant women. 

That’s not really a substitute for one’s own research.*

*Google search.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: LON on November 08, 2021, 08:37:28 AM
I stand by that statement too, nice try.  It is well documented that you should not get a vaccine or a booster to the original within 90 days of infection and I know if I got a breakthrough case within 6 months or so of a vax I wouldn’t be clamoring to get a booster.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wcnc.com/amp/article/news/health/coronavirus/vaccine/covid-19-breakthroughs-boosters/275-97ca674b-cba7-4041-a2b3-b0f515aacf06

Straight from the doctor - whom I'm going to trust just a tad more than you (shocker) - can't get the booster for 90 days after the monoclonal antibodies treatment.  Never said anything about 90 days from infection.  So keep at it, this is fun.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: Warriors4ever on November 08, 2021, 10:05:48 AM
Yes discussed often in the Vaccine Hunters group. 90 days after monoclonal antibodies.
Most places giving the vaccine ask if you have had Covid in the past couple weeks, and if you currently have symptoms,  but otherwise there is no limitation once you have recovered and finished quarantine.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: pacearrow02 on April 21, 2022, 09:08:50 PM
Going back to the myocarditis thing.  As likely mentioned elsewhere, you are way more likely to get myocarditis from a covid infection than as a side effect from the vaccination.  For those thinking about this issue with kids, the incidence as a side effect of vaccination is 67 cases per one million doses or a 0.000067 chance.  Kids are 5 times more likely to get myocarditis as a complication of an actual covid infection.

Covid is known to cause clotting issues as a complication and the vaccine stimulating an immune response can do this.   The flu vaccine will likely become a mRNA vaccine due to how effective the covid vaccine efficacy is and flu doesn't typically cause clotting issues.  Future flu vaccines will be drastically better due to development of covid vaccine

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2791253
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: 🏀 on April 21, 2022, 09:20:48 PM
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2791253

And yet young males infected with the virus are up 6 times more likely to develop myocarditis as those who have received the vaccine.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: pacearrow02 on April 21, 2022, 11:23:49 PM
And yet young males infected with the virus are up 6 times more likely to develop myocarditis as those who have received the vaccine.

Well the vaccine is widely known now to not prevent anyone from getting Covid so not sure what your point is.  I’m assuming you’re saying 6x’s more likely from the data in the cdc study awhile back. Link below talking about why that study might have some flaws to consider.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TracyBethHoeg/status/1517309675015876608
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: MUDPT on April 22, 2022, 05:42:28 AM
Well the vaccine is widely known now to not prevent anyone from getting Covid so not sure what your point is.  I’m assuming you’re saying 6x’s more likely from the data in the cdc study awhile back. Link below talking about why that study might have some flaws to consider.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TracyBethHoeg/status/1517309675015876608

So 1 in 14,000-25,000 kids.  1% of those had no recovery at follow up, so we are literally talking about 10-15 kids in the USA.  That is really sad for them, but is better then the 88% of unvaccinated children in the hospital during Omicron.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on April 22, 2022, 08:02:13 AM
Well the vaccine is widely known now to not prevent anyone from getting Covid so not sure what your point is.  I’m assuming you’re saying 6x’s more likely from the data in the cdc study awhile back. Link below talking about why that study might have some flaws to consider.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TracyBethHoeg/status/1517309675015876608


You are so very dumb.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-vaccines-prevented-nearly-quarter-million-deaths-last-spring-rcna11653
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on April 22, 2022, 09:05:11 AM
Gosh, look who's back to spread disinformation.

(https://www.adelaide.edu.au/research/sites/default/files/styles/ua_image/public/media/images/2020-03/file-20191125-74562-ijrn48.jpg?itok=l0axt8oF)
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: pacearrow02 on April 22, 2022, 09:37:48 AM

You are so very dumb.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-vaccines-prevented-nearly-quarter-million-deaths-last-spring-rcna11653

Fluffy, my post was about kids/young adults and you replied with a link that has nothing to do with what was being discussed. 

In no way did the study or my post say don’t get vaccinated.  Just figured we were all on board with #keepsciencing so thought it would be good for scoopers with young kids/young adult dependents to know the latest evidence. 

Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on April 22, 2022, 09:44:40 AM
Fluffy, my post was about kids/young adults and you replied with a link that has nothing to do with what was being discussed. 

In no way did the study or my post say don’t get vaccinated.  Just figured we were all on board with #keepsciencing so thought it would be good for scoopers with young kids/young adult dependents to know the latest evidence. 


No, you aren't trying to do that.  You're just dumb.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 22, 2022, 10:05:38 AM
Fluffy, my post was about kids/young adults and you replied with a link that has nothing to do with what was being discussed. 

In no way did the study or my post say don’t get vaccinated.  Just figured we were all on board with #keepsciencing so thought it would be good for scoopers with young kids/young adult dependents to know the latest evidence.

I’ll add to the consensus, you’re an idiot
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on April 22, 2022, 10:15:45 AM

No, you aren't trying to do that.  You're just dumb.
No, not dumb--just here to specifically and purposefully spread disinformation.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: tower912 on April 22, 2022, 11:13:40 AM
Russia has reopened their bot farms?
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: 🏀 on April 22, 2022, 11:51:26 AM
Jamie was the Russian bot all along.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: pacearrow02 on April 22, 2022, 12:29:10 PM
Well this was fun. 
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: MUDPT on May 14, 2022, 02:12:19 AM
Small study, but more information: 


https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/10.1148/radiol.220802
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: jesmu84 on April 17, 2023, 09:31:00 PM
https://twitter.com/NGrossman81/status/1648126309296472064?t=PK6oD4wt2fcWY3VSBnjIjw&s=19

Update on study from Florida regarding vaccine and cardiac risk
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: tower912 on April 18, 2023, 05:33:28 AM
A pattern emerges.   Knowing the truth and yet pushing the lie.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: forgetful on April 18, 2023, 08:33:17 AM
https://twitter.com/NGrossman81/status/1648126309296472064?t=PK6oD4wt2fcWY3VSBnjIjw&s=19

Update on study from Florida regarding vaccine and cardiac risk

Anyone that avoided getting a vaccine based on those reports and had any adverse affects should sue.

Personally, I think deliberately altering the data/report in that way, which would cause adverse health effects should be criminal.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on April 19, 2023, 09:26:25 PM
Anyone that avoided getting a vaccine based on those reports and had any adverse affects should sue.

Personally, I think deliberately altering the data/report in that way, which would cause adverse health effects should be criminal.
Weird. Lying right-wing (but I repeat myself) governor hires lying right-wing "health care professional" who then proceeds to lie about the COVID vaccine. Who could have guessed it?
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on April 24, 2023, 03:33:32 PM
https://twitter.com/NGrossman81/status/1648126309296472064?t=PK6oD4wt2fcWY3VSBnjIjw&s=19

Update on study from Florida regarding vaccine and cardiac risk
An update on the update:

Florida surgeon general altered key findings in study on Covid-19 vaccine safety
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/24/florida-surgeon-general-covid-vaccine-00093510

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo personally altered a state-driven study about Covid-19 vaccines last year to suggest that some doses pose a significantly higher health risk for young men than had been established by the broader medical community, according to a newly obtained document.

The newly released draft of the eight-page study, provided by the Florida Department of Health, indicates that it initially stated that there was no significant risk associated with the Covid-19 vaccines for young men. But “Dr. L’s Edits,” as the document is titled, reveal that Ladapo replaced that language to say that men between 18 and 39 years old are at high risk of heart illness from two Covid vaccines that use mRNA technology.

Ladapo, a Harvard-trained doctor who held professorships at UCLA and NYU, specializes in cardiovascular diseases and gained attention nationally during the pandemic after he authored op-eds in the Wall Street Journal and USA Today questioning the safety of Covid-19 vaccines and the effectiveness of mask-wearing and lockdowns.

He was also a supporter of hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malaria drug that former President Donald Trump often praised as a treatment for Covid. The FDA later withdrew emergency authorization for its use.

Ladapo drew criticism in part because he was affiliated with the conservative America’s Frontline Doctors, a group founded to fight Covid restrictions by anti-vaccine advocate Simone Gold. Ladapo devoted an entire chapter to his friendship with Gold in a memoir he published last year titled “Transcend Fear.”
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: MU_B on February 22, 2024, 10:25:18 AM
Another update.


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/feb/19/study-99-million-covid-vaccinated-people-finds-lin/


Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: tower912 on February 22, 2024, 10:28:42 AM
How about the update on COVID deaths actually being under recorded?  Or increased death due to hydroxychloroquine use?      Ope.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: MUBurrow on February 22, 2024, 01:24:29 PM
How about the update on COVID deaths actually being under recorded?  Or increased death due to hydroxychloroquine use?      Ope.

Why?  The context of presenting this data now is very different than scaremongering with it two years ago. 
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 22, 2024, 01:38:07 PM
Another update.


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/feb/19/study-99-million-covid-vaccinated-people-finds-lin/

Cool.  People who have contracted COVID also have increased myocarditis risk.  The same crap we've all been saying for years now.

Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on March 01, 2024, 08:23:25 PM
Data shows 3,000% increase in myocarditis among young males .  Chinese (and U.S.) now admit many hospitalized with Covid deaths were due to aggressive intubation.  These patients would have done well on nasal cannula
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: MUDPT on March 01, 2024, 10:25:45 PM
Data shows 3,000% increase in myocarditis among young males .  Chinese (and U.S.) now admit many hospitalized with Covid deaths were due to aggressive intubation.  These patients would have done well on nasal cannula

No, no and no.

Let me guess, you didn't work in a hospital during the pandemic?
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on March 02, 2024, 08:38:42 AM
Data shows 3,000% increase in myocarditis among young males .  Chinese (and U.S.) now admit many hospitalized with Covid deaths were due to aggressive intubation.  These patients would have done well on nasal cannula
It's just astonishing what your "independent research" leads you to believe.
Title: Re: CDC sees myocarditis in boys/men ages 16-24 with mRNA vaccines.
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on March 02, 2024, 10:15:21 AM
It's just astonishing what your "independent research" leads you to believe.

As I have said, this guy is a different level of hopeless. Probably a dental school valedictorian.