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Author Topic: Vaccine/Antibody updates  (Read 357454 times)

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Re: Vaccine/Antibody updates
« Reply #2750 on: May 13, 2021, 01:12:06 PM »
14 year old scheduled for tomorrow
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

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Re: Vaccine/Antibody updates
« Reply #2751 on: May 13, 2021, 01:28:31 PM »
14 year old scheduled for tomorrow

Hopefully, million of others will follow.

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Re: Vaccine/Antibody updates
« Reply #2752 on: May 13, 2021, 01:51:03 PM »
14 year old scheduled for tomorrow
you rented him an apartment just over the border in OH to establish residency first right?

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Re: Vaccine/Antibody updates
« Reply #2753 on: May 13, 2021, 02:50:22 PM »
Dammit.   Although, for the under 18, it is free tuition at a state university.   Free tuition, but in Ohio.   Mixed blessing.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

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Re: Vaccine/Antibody updates
« Reply #2754 on: May 14, 2021, 07:44:59 AM »
The "Disinformation Dozen" list of 12 people responsible for 60% of all vaccine falsehoods on the internet:

Link .. Disinfo Dozen .. people start on page 12

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Re: Vaccine/Antibody updates
« Reply #2755 on: May 14, 2021, 05:09:16 PM »
14 year old scheduled for tomorrow
My 15yo got it last night. Sore arm today. That’s it.

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Re: Vaccine/Antibody updates
« Reply #2756 on: May 14, 2021, 06:12:56 PM »
My 15yo got it last night. Sore arm today. That’s it.

Good job. I am guessing that the Scoop community is better than the public at large.

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Re: Vaccine/Antibody updates
« Reply #2757 on: May 15, 2021, 08:11:04 AM »
14 year old scheduled for tomorrow

My 14 year old got hers yesterday too.  She hates shots and really didn't want to get it but we told her why we thought it was important.  The mask requirement was just removed in our District and now she's in the minority wearing a mask to school - that's not the only reason we had her get the vaccine but was one factor in wanting her to get her first dose soon.

Now I have to hope that it's approved for younger kids before September so my 9 year old can get vaccinated before school starts in the fall. 

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« Reply #2758 on: May 15, 2021, 08:14:53 AM »
My 12 and 14 year olds will get it tomorrow, here:

http://www.blackhuskybrewing.com/news-events

A free beer (or soda) for vaxxers and their friend?   Eff Walgreens.   8-)

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Re: Vaccine/Antibody updates
« Reply #2759 on: May 15, 2021, 08:16:57 AM »
14 YOS got it last night.  Arm is not even sore this morning.   Kids suck.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

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Re: Vaccine/Antibody updates
« Reply #2760 on: May 15, 2021, 08:57:00 AM »
What are the morals/ethics on removing IP protections for the covid vaccine so other countries have access? I've heard it called "genocidal" to deny other countries access to manufacture this vaccine.

Thoughts?

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Re: Vaccine/Antibody updates
« Reply #2761 on: May 15, 2021, 09:40:14 AM »
14 YOS got it last night.  Arm is not even sore this morning.   Kids suck.

Punch them in the arm to give them the full experience.

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Re: Vaccine/Antibody updates
« Reply #2762 on: May 15, 2021, 09:59:17 AM »
None of his three arms are sore.  And he is enjoying the faster 5G gaming.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

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Re: Vaccine/Antibody updates
« Reply #2763 on: May 15, 2021, 11:02:55 AM »
What are the morals/ethics on removing IP protections for the covid vaccine so other countries have access? I've heard it called "genocidal" to deny other countries access to manufacture this vaccine.

Thoughts?


The morals/ethics would seem to be morality and decency. $$$ normally overrides human decency, but we can hop that isn't the case this time when 10s of millions of lives are on the line.

The other side is why would anyone want to help sh*thole people in sh*thole countries?

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Re: Vaccine/Antibody updates
« Reply #2764 on: May 15, 2021, 11:25:25 AM »
What are the morals/ethics on removing IP protections for the covid vaccine so other countries have access? I've heard it called "genocidal" to deny other countries access to manufacture this vaccine.

Thoughts?

People vastly overuse the term genocidal. And also have no idea the true cost of researching and developing drugs.  I’m not saying they shouldn’t remove IP protections, but it’s not cut and dry and simple and refusal to do so isn’t necessarily just money grubbing and selfishness

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Re: Vaccine/Antibody updates
« Reply #2765 on: May 15, 2021, 12:21:11 PM »
People vastly overuse the term genocidal. And also have no idea the true cost of researching and developing drugs.  I’m not saying they shouldn’t remove IP protections, but it’s not cut and dry and simple and refusal to do so isn’t necessarily just money grubbing and selfishness

Normally this is the case, but when gov'ts are subsidizing $100s of millions (other than Pfizer) to defray the cost, I think the responsibility is different.

Even the cost isn't what it would be to develop a drug for a specific disease. The structure was in place already due to 2 main things. Genetic sequencing - they had it for Covid within 10 days of knowing about the disease. Second was the work done by the Bush and Obama administrations to quickly develop a SARS or Covid vaccine. It wasn't a years-long trial and error situation like it would have been a generation ago.

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Re: Vaccine/Antibody updates
« Reply #2766 on: May 24, 2021, 07:47:25 AM »
Interesting polling by the Kaiser Family Foundation shows that economic class is the main dividing line between those who are getting vaccinated and those who aren't



From the NYT:

It is common to hear about two different demographic groups that are hesitant to receive a Covid-19 vaccination: Republican voters and racial minorities, especially Black and Latino Americans.

The two groups seem to have different motivations. For Republicans, the attitude is connected to a general skepticism of government and science. For Black and Hispanic Americans, it appears to stem from the country’s legacy of providing substandard medical treatment, and sometimes doing outright harm, to minorities.

These ideas all have some truth to them. But they also can obscure the fact that many unvaccinated Republicans and minorities have something in common: They are working class. And there is a huge class gap in vaccination behavior.

As you can see, working-class members of every group are less likely to have received a vaccine and more likely to be skeptical. “No matter which of these groups we looked at, we see an education divide,” Mollyann Brodie, who oversees the Kaiser surveys, told me. In some cases, different racial groups with the same education levels — like Black and white college graduates — look remarkably similar.

This poll did not break out Asian-Americans, but other Kaiser surveys have, and it’s consistent: Asian-Americans have a higher median income than Black, Hispanic or white Americans and also a higher vaccination rate.

All of which points to the fact that the class divide is bigger than the racial divide.
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Re: Vaccine/Antibody updates
« Reply #2767 on: May 26, 2021, 01:14:25 PM »
Great if these findings hold on durability of vaccine efficacy. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/26/health/coronavirus-immunity-vaccines.html

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« Reply #2768 on: May 26, 2021, 02:01:30 PM »
Interesting polling by the Kaiser Family Foundation shows that economic class is the main dividing line between those who are getting vaccinated and those who aren't



From the NYT:

It is common to hear about two different demographic groups that are hesitant to receive a Covid-19 vaccination: Republican voters and racial minorities, especially Black and Latino Americans.

The two groups seem to have different motivations. For Republicans, the attitude is connected to a general skepticism of government and science. For Black and Hispanic Americans, it appears to stem from the country’s legacy of providing substandard medical treatment, and sometimes doing outright harm, to minorities.

These ideas all have some truth to them. But they also can obscure the fact that many unvaccinated Republicans and minorities have something in common: They are working class. And there is a huge class gap in vaccination behavior.

As you can see, working-class members of every group are less likely to have received a vaccine and more likely to be skeptical. “No matter which of these groups we looked at, we see an education divide,” Mollyann Brodie, who oversees the Kaiser surveys, told me. In some cases, different racial groups with the same education levels — like Black and white college graduates — look remarkably similar.

This poll did not break out Asian-Americans, but other Kaiser surveys have, and it’s consistent: Asian-Americans have a higher median income than Black, Hispanic or white Americans and also a higher vaccination rate.

All of which points to the fact that the class divide is bigger than the racial divide.

This may sound pedantic, but economic class is not necessarily college graduate vs non college graduate. Some pollsters and economists define it that way, but that is lazy. Social scientists use 3 common methods to define class—by occupation, income, or education—and there is really no consensus about the “right” way to do it. Michael Zweig, a leading scholar in working-class studies, defines the working class as “people who, when they go to work or when they act as citizens, have comparatively little power or authority. They are the people who do their jobs under more or less close supervision, who have little control over the pace or the content of their work, who aren't the boss of anyone."Michael Zweig, ed., What’s Class Got to Do with It? American Society in the Twenty-First Century (New York: ILR Books, 2004)
That sounds like most people, even those fresh out of college.

This poll should have been defined by formal education. Plus its only 2000 people.
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Re: Vaccine/Antibody updates
« Reply #2769 on: May 26, 2021, 02:51:16 PM »
The single highest discrepancy is still between educated Ds and Rs

12 times as many educated Rs say they will never get the shots.

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« Reply #2770 on: May 26, 2021, 03:48:21 PM »
Interesting polling by the Kaiser Family Foundation shows that economic class is the main dividing line between those who are getting vaccinated and those who aren't




If you look at that chart,  if we can get 90% of the yellow area to get their vaccine we will be sitting pretty and not need the red area. If a small portion of the yellows get their vaccine,  I think next winter will suck again.


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Re: Vaccine/Antibody updates
« Reply #2771 on: May 26, 2021, 09:10:23 PM »

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« Reply #2772 on: May 26, 2021, 10:29:10 PM »
If you look at that chart,  if we can get 90% of the yellow area to get their vaccine we will be sitting pretty and not need the red area. If a small portion of the yellows get their vaccine,  I think next winter will suck again.

I hope you're right about the yellow area, and wrong about the suckage.
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Re: Vaccine/Antibody updates
« Reply #2773 on: May 30, 2021, 06:46:46 PM »
DeSantis orders cruise ships to allow unvaccinated passengers.

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« Reply #2774 on: May 30, 2021, 07:27:11 PM »
DeSantis orders cruise ships to allow unvaccinated passengers.

Why does he hate capitalism?