Bracketology 2019-2020

[Pakuni]

Six seed here as well.

Seven Big East teams in, with Xavier in the first four out.

https://sports.yahoo.com/bracketology-michigan-state-headlines-opening-130244208.html

[Cheeks]

Chris Beard made the Elite 8 in his 2nd season at Texas Tech. He made it to the NCAA Title game last season in just his 3rd season. Texas Tech had never gone past the Sweet 16 in school history prior to that, a difficult place to win historically.

If Wojo did these things in his first three or even six seasons he would get a well deserved enormous pass this season as well. (TT is recruiting well too)

Mike White made it to the Elite 8 at Florida in just his 2nd season. He is coming off of three straight NCAA appearances where his team has not lost in the first round.

These would not be the best examples and comparisons. Apples to oranges.

The overall point is that they had big success in short order at their schools, and seem to be positioned to do so moving forward. Never winning an NCAA game isn't really comparable to that.

Texas Tech is 36 in The Net and Florida 53.

There are Florida fans wanting White's head for not doing enough and "trending" the wrong way.  8th place last year.   

Some fans are miserable all the time

[Cheeks]

Up to a 6 seed on Bracketville. 24 on the S-Curve

https://bracketville.wordpress.com/bracketology/

That draw would suck

[WhoaJoe2020]

Let's secure a bid first.

[GoldenDieners32]

That draw would suck

UNI is dangerous

[Cheeks]

UNI is dangerous

Yup, and Louisville as the 3.


I would literally trade spots with any of the other 6 seeds in that mock bracket and several of the 7's. 

[MU82]

Didn't UCLA do that to Ben howland? I know there were other issues but I don't remember ncaa violations.

UCLA did fire Howland coming off an NCAA tournament appearance. There were allegations of improprieties floating around but I don't know if there were actually accusations of NCAA rules violations. Also, I don't know if he had a top-10 class coming in.

Again, it would be pretty unusual to fire a coach coming off an NCAA tournament appearance, having a top-10 recruiting class signed and having not a sniff of NCAA improprieties.

[GoldenDieners32]

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

[GoldenDieners32]

https://bracketeer.org/bracket/2020/1/20/bracketology-012020-louisville-leap

yes please

[Galway Eagle]

https://bracketeer.org/bracket/2020/1/20/bracketology-012020-louisville-leap

yes please

I don't like the concept of playing BOI toppin. Bailey Sacar and Cain give up way too much height.

[GoldenDieners32]

MU up to the number one 8 seed on bracket matrix

[GooooMarquette]

That draw would suck

I know the committee has put lousy seeds close to home before (like Utah State in Boise), but it would be inexcusable if 11 seed NCSU gets to play in Greensboro....

[Its DJOver]

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

Lunardi has us up to a 6.  Think that's about where we end up with a 10-8 or 11-7 record, depending on how other teams perform.

[SaveOD238]

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

Lunardi has us up to a 6.  Think that's about where we end up with a 10-8 or 11-7 record, depending on how other teams perform.

And 10-8 or 11-7 should be about where we end up

Probable wins (5): @X, DePaul, @Providence, Georgetown, @St Johns
Probable losses (3): @Butler, @Nova, Seton Hall
Toss-ups (3): Butler, Creighton, @DePaul

That gets us to between 9-9 and 12-6

[MU82]

And 10-8 or 11-7 should be about where we end up

Probable wins (5): @X, DePaul, @Providence, Georgetown, @St Johns
Probable losses (3): @Butler, @Nova, Seton Hall
Toss-ups (3): Butler, Creighton, @DePaul

That gets us to between 9-9 and 12-6

Seems reasonable, though I could see us winning or losing any of those games. And I'd say the same about any BEast team playing any game. I mean, DePaul took Nova into OT in Philly just a week ago, and St. John's had Seton Hall on the run.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

And 10-8 or 11-7 should be about where we end up

Probable wins (5): @X, DePaul, @Providence, Georgetown, @St Johns
Probable losses (3): @Butler, @Nova, Seton Hall
Toss-ups (3): Butler, Creighton, @DePaul

That gets us to between 9-9 and 12-6

I think at 11-7 MU could be as high as 4 seed when the dust settles. 

[WarriorInNYC]

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

Lunardi has us up to a 6.  Think that's about where we end up with a 10-8 or 11-7 record, depending on how other teams perform.

This is an odd bracket is it does assume several bid stealers.  Of note:

• Tulsa winning the AAC with Wichita State, Memphis, and Houston receiving at-large bids
• North Florida winning the Atlantic Sun (and getting a 16 seed) while Liberty takes one of the last at-large bids
• Loyola Chicago winning the Missouri Valley (and getting a 13 seed) while Northern Iowa takes one of the last at-large bids

And then on the flip-side, he's got East Tennessee State with the auto-bid for the Southern conference, but also receiving an 11-seed, so in the at-large range.

[BM1090]

I think at 11-7 MU could be as high as 4 seed when the dust settles.

I'd guess a 5 or maybe a 6, unless we beat SHU and sweep Nova. Our resume is strong enough that we'll be able to get into the tournament even at 8-10, but I don't believe the ceiling is very high. There just aren't enough great wins.

On T-rank you can simulate the games and it projects the tournament field. At 17-13 (7-11) it has us in the last four in. If we win out and win the BET we'd be 28-5 and would only be projected as a 3 seed.

[Galway Eagle]

I'd guess a 5 or maybe a 6, unless we beat SHU and sweep Nova. Our resume is strong enough that we'll be able to get into the tournament even at 8-10, but I don't believe the ceiling is very high. There just aren't enough great wins.

On T-rank you can simulate the games and it projects the tournament field. At 17-13 (7-11) it has us in the last four in. If we win out and win the BET we'd be 28-5 and would only be projected as a 3 seed.

If 28-5 only got us a 3 seed that'd be ridiculous and I'd be of the belief we'll never get higher than that

[BM1090]

If 28-5 only got us a 3 seed that'd be ridiculous and I'd be of the belief we'll never get higher than that

Depends on the other teams in front of us. The four teams on the top line have a combined 5 losses right now. But looking at the teams on the two line I would agree 28-5 would likely be a 2 seed.

Not gonna happen obviously but it's a fun hypothetical.

[GoldenDieners32]

And 10-8 or 11-7 should be about where we end up

Probable wins (5): @X, DePaul, @Providence, Georgetown, @St Johns
Probable losses (3): @Butler, @Nova, Seton Hall
Toss-ups (3): Butler, Creighton, @DePaul

That gets us to between 9-9 and 12-6

I know you're predicting but this year in the big east, I don't think there are any "probable wins"

[cheebs09]

Depends on the other teams in front of us. The four teams on the top line have a combined 5 losses right now. But looking at the teams on the two line I would agree 28-5 would likely be a 2 seed.

Not gonna happen obviously but it's a fun hypothetical.

Don't let Guru see that type of negativity.

[brewcity77]

This is an odd bracket is it does assume several bid stealers.  Of note:

• Tulsa winning the AAC with Wichita State, Memphis, and Houston receiving at-large bids
• North Florida winning the Atlantic Sun (and getting a 16 seed) while Liberty takes one of the last at-large bids
• Loyola Chicago winning the Missouri Valley (and getting a 13 seed) while Northern Iowa takes one of the last at-large bids

And then on the flip-side, he's got East Tennessee State with the auto-bid for the Southern conference, but also receiving an 11-seed, so in the at-large range.

All based on current standings. Tulsa and Houston are tied atop the AAC and Tulsa has the head-to-head win. North Florida won at Liberty last night to put them in a first place tie with the head-to-head tiebreaker going to UNF. Loyola has the current lead in the MVC, but they play at UNI on Sunday, which could move the Panthers to the top of the standings with a win.

[WarriorInNYC]

All based on current standings. Tulsa and Houston are tied atop the AAC and Tulsa has the head-to-head win. North Florida won at Liberty last night to put them in a first place tie with the head-to-head tiebreaker going to UNF. Loyola has the current lead in the MVC, but they play at UNI on Sunday, which could move the Panthers to the top of the standings with a win.

Gotcha, appreciate the additional context. 

I just thought it was interesting especially that a bid stealer was chosen out of a conference that already had 3 at-larges.  And then you consider East Tennessee State, while likely the favorite to win their conference tourney, still has some stiff competition in UNC Greensboro, Furman, and even Wofford or West Carolina are capable of knocking them off.  I just thought that would be more likely than none of Houston, Memphis, and Wichita State winning the AAC tourney.

But what you laid out makes sense from a logic perspective to just build basic rules behind picking the auto-bids.

[BM1090]

Still a 6 seed at NBC/Bracketville

https://bracketville.wordpress.com/s-curve/

https://bracketville.wordpress.com/bracketology/