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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2020, 03:11:51 PM »
Key word is usually.  I'd imagine if you had a dozen+ teams lumped together they'd extend the process further than prior years.  Or they could have several brackets setup already as templates - I imagine this is done by computer so they literally could prepare for this right off the bat.

It would basically mean completely undoing what they currently do and reinventing the wheel. They don't seed by computer templates, they seed manually. They talk about that every year and how that's the hardest part to do. Considering the upheaval on the Selection Committee last year led to exactly zero changes in how they managed selection and seeding, and there isn't nearly such upheaval this year, I would put the odds of it happening somewhere between slim and none. If any change were in the offing, we would have seen it in 2019 when the power balance shifted from high-majors to non-power conferences.

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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2020, 03:15:49 PM »
It would basically mean completely undoing what they currently do and reinventing the wheel. They don't seed by computer templates, they seed manually. They talk about that every year and how that's the hardest part to do. Considering the upheaval on the Selection Committee last year led to exactly zero changes in how they managed selection and seeding, and there isn't nearly such upheaval this year, I would put the odds of it happening somewhere between slim and none. If any change were in the offing, we would have seen it in 2019 when the power balance shifted from high-majors to non-power conferences.

And if they keep it manual, with a large pool of equal teams, there's going to be a lot of issues - especially if some of those teams separate themselves in a conf. tourney.

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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2020, 03:18:30 PM »
And if they keep it manual, with a large pool of equal teams, there's going to be a lot of issues - especially if some of those teams separate themselves in a conf. tourney.

Nah, they'll just ignore the conference tournaments unless a team wins the autobid.

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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2020, 03:20:42 PM »
Nah, they'll just ignore the conference tournaments unless a team wins the autobid.

I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if the NCAA was stuck in their ways on this.......

but it could be easily rectified by just having computer software programmed to account for any significant changes in a teams fortune come conf tourney time. 


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« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2020, 03:56:35 PM »
I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if the NCAA was stuck in their ways on this.......

but it could be easily rectified by just having computer software programmed to account for any significant changes in a teams fortune come conf tourney time.

Honestly, I think it's harder than that. So many of the seeding rules end up conflicting with each other and so much comes down to judgment calls that it would tie programmers in knots. Last year, Michigan State played Minnesota in the second round, which technically violated one of the rules that would have been written into any program. Except I had that same matchup scripted in my last bracket because there was no way to put Minnesota anywhere else, even moving them up or down a line, without running into at least one and usually more than one seeding rule violation. In addition to the NCAA's moving at a glacial pace when it comes to change, the seeding rules would be really hard to just write into a program because so many of them conflict with each other.

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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2020, 04:09:27 PM »
Was messing around with T Rank's teamcast and it has Marquette in the NCAA tournament if they finish 17-13 (7-11)

Now, I doubt that's the case. But seems that MU would have a legit shot at 8-10 in conference.

They'll definitely have a shot at 8-10.  I'd prefer not to test the theory, but there are not very many good teams. 
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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2020, 04:19:44 PM »
Honestly, I think it's harder than that. So many of the seeding rules end up conflicting with each other and so much comes down to judgment calls that it would tie programmers in knots. Last year, Michigan State played Minnesota in the second round, which technically violated one of the rules that would have been written into any program. Except I had that same matchup scripted in my last bracket because there was no way to put Minnesota anywhere else, even moving them up or down a line, without running into at least one and usually more than one seeding rule violation. In addition to the NCAA's moving at a glacial pace when it comes to change, the seeding rules would be really hard to just write into a program because so many of them conflict with each other.

Well, if the NCAA doesn't prolong their seeding process this year, it's going to be very interesting especially if a projected 7th or 8th seed wins a conf tourney - which is very possible this year. 

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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2020, 04:23:40 PM »
Gimme some of that. Would love to see Markus and squad light up Virginia right in front of Sam while he's helpless to do anything
Of course there is always the possibility that Virginia lights up MU 50-35 in front of Wojo while he as usual, is helpless to do anything even though he is the head coach. Be care ful what you wish for.

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« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2020, 04:41:21 PM »
Of course there is always the possibility that Virginia lights up MU 50-35 in front of Wojo while he as usual, is helpless to do anything even though he is the head coach. Be care ful what you wish for.

If MU scores 35 vs. Virginia that's only because Virginia took their foot off the gas pedal.  MU doesn't have a prayer of shooting 40%+ against them.

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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2020, 04:43:14 PM »
Of course there is always the possibility that Virginia lights up MU 50-35 in front of Wojo while he as usual, is helpless to do anything even though he is the head coach. Be care ful what you wish for.
Has this guy ever said anything remotely positive? Do you even want them to win

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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2020, 04:51:04 PM »
Has this guy ever said anything remotely positive? Do you even want them to win

I've said a few positive things.  I'm a classic red ass like Bill Belichick.  We can always do better.

The Wojo situation is different though.  In terms of MU's history, we're behind the mean here, barely treading water.  The Trumpets of Change and Discord must be sounded repeatedly until the song and dance man is sent back to delint Coach K's suit just before game time.


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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2020, 04:51:54 PM »
They'll definitely have a shot at 8-10.  I'd prefer not to test the theory, but there are not very many good teams.

Yeah, I'm setting 9-9 as my comfort threshold.

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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2020, 11:28:25 PM »
Yeah, I'm setting 9-9 as my comfort threshold.
I hope you are right my MU brother. This would be great.

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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2020, 03:09:30 AM »
Lundari's last update (Jan 7) has MU #6

BE has 6 teams

But in the first four out he has, Georgetown, Depaul and St. Johns

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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2020, 12:20:06 PM »
Lundari's last update (Jan 7) has MU #6

BE has 6 teams

But in the first four out he has, Georgetown, Depaul and St. Johns

Updated today. MU a 7.
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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #41 on: January 10, 2020, 12:50:26 PM »
I've said a few positive things.  I'm a classic red ass like Bill Belichick.  We can always do better.

The Wojo situation is different though.  In terms of MU's history, we're behind the mean here, barely treading water.  The Trumpets of Change and Discord must be sounded repeatedly until the song and dance man is sent back to delint Coach K's suit just before game time.

He was quoting willie so I have to assume you're the slightly less crazy alter ego of willie's
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« Reply #42 on: January 10, 2020, 12:52:32 PM »
Six Big East Teams IN

First Four Out
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Next Four Out
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St. John's
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« Reply #43 on: January 10, 2020, 01:10:21 PM »
Bracketville updated. MU is the top 7 seed
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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #44 on: January 10, 2020, 02:36:20 PM »
I have always wondered, especially in this day and age of technology why someone can't write a sophisticated enough program that selects and seeds the teams based on whatever criteria is inputted. To me, that would be the "cleanest" way of doing it. Then no one can complain about biases etc. That would also let Coaches know in advance, what exactly they need to do to get in. The computer program requires you to have X X and X...do that and you will be in.
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« Reply #45 on: January 10, 2020, 02:40:58 PM »
I have always wondered, especially in this day and age of technology why someone can't write a sophisticated enough program that selects and seeds the teams based on whatever criteria is inputted. To me, that would be the "cleanest" way of doing it. Then no one can complain about biases etc. That would also let Coaches know in advance, what exactly they need to do to get in. The computer program requires you to have X X and X...do that and you will be in.
Its easy, just keep winning as much as possible with a decent schedule.

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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #46 on: January 10, 2020, 02:50:59 PM »
DeCourcy is doing bracketology now for Fox for some reason.  MU a 10 seed and the last of six BE teams in.

Team Bubble Watch

https://mobile.twitter.com/CBBonFOX/status/1215694302912737280/photo/1


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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #47 on: January 10, 2020, 03:15:40 PM »
DeCourcy is doing bracketology now for Fox for some reason.  MU a 10 seed and the last of six BE teams in.

Team Bubble Watch

https://mobile.twitter.com/CBBonFOX/status/1215694302912737280/photo/1

So many good bracketologists to choose from and Fox gives the job to Schwab and then DeCourcy, both of whom have never done it.

There's lists and lists compiled of people who have blogs and are very good at it. Give one of them an opportunity.
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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #48 on: January 10, 2020, 03:21:04 PM »
So many good bracketologists to choose from and Fox gives the job to Schwab and then DeCourcy, both of whom have never done it.

There's lists and lists compiled of people who have blogs and are very good at it. Give one of them an opportunity.

Brew does a better job and his educational background was communications.

Mike is a nice guy if you ever met him.  Will share beers with you.  And, he is a hall of fame writer who I like a lot.  But, you can tell he isn't comfortable doing the stats thing.

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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #49 on: January 10, 2020, 04:01:31 PM »
DeCourcy is doing bracketology now for Fox for some reason.  MU a 10 seed and the last of six BE teams in.

Team Bubble Watch

https://mobile.twitter.com/CBBonFOX/status/1215694302912737280/photo/1

I wouldn't say that's too far off.
Marquette is a decent team with a question mark. Same could be said for a lot of teams right now.

 

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