Bracketology 2019-2020

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

So many good bracketologists to choose from and Fox gives the job to Schwab and then DeCourcy, both of whom have never done it.

There's lists and lists compiled of people who have blogs and are very good at it. Give one of them an opportunity.

DeCourcy knows far more about college hoops than Schwab tho.

[BM1090]

DeCourcy knows far more about college hoops than Schwab tho.

For sure. Definitely has more promise.

[MuMark]

But Bracketology is really the science of knowing what the committee has done in the past and trying to use that information to predict what will happen in the current season. It's Studying resumes and metrics and translating that to bids and seed lines.


He only had Butler as a 3 seed and justified it by saying they hadn't beaten an elite team ....yet by metrics and resume they are. clearly worthy of a top 2 seed at this juncture......oh and that elite team qualifier didn't seem to apply to San Diego State who has  as a 2 seed....

That kind of logic doesn't give me much faith in his ability.

[Elonsmusk]

Was messing around with T Rank's teamcast and it has Marquette in the NCAA tournament if they finish 17-13 (7-11)

Now, I doubt that's the case. But seems that MU would have a legit shot at 8-10 in conference.

http://barttorvik.com/teamcast.php?rank=41&team=Marquette&year=2020&bracket=1&Loyola_MDMarquette11-5=A&PurdueMarquette11-13=A&MarquetteWisconsin11-17=A&Robert_MorrisMarquette11-23=A&DavidsonMarquette11-28=A&USCMarquette11-29=A&MarylandMarquette12-1=A&JacksonvilleMarquette12-4=A&MarquetteKansas_St_12-7=A&Grambling_St_Marquette12-17=A&North_Dakota_St_Marquette12-20=A&Central_ArkansasMarquette12-28=A&MarquetteCreighton1-1=A&VillanovaMarquette1-4=A&ProvidenceMarquette1-7=A&MarquetteSeton_Hall1-11=L&XavierMarquette1-15=W&MarquetteGeorgetown1-18=W&St__John_sMarquette1-21=W&MarquetteButler1-24=L&MarquetteXavier1-29=L&DePaulMarquette2-1=W&ButlerMarquette2-9=L&MarquetteVillanova2-12=L&CreightonMarquette2-18=W&MarquetteProvidence2-22=L&GeorgetownMarquette2-26=W&Seton_HallMarquette2-29=L&MarquetteDePaul3-3=L&MarquetteSt__John_s3-7=L&x1_type=&x1_loc=&x1_team=&x1_res=&x2_type=&x2_loc=&x2_team=&x2_res=&x3_type=&x3_loc=&x3_team=&x3_res=&x4_type=&x4_loc=&x4_team=&x4_res=&x5_type=&x5_loc=&x5_team=&x5_res=

T-Rank has us currently as last 4 in, alongside Purdue, Xavier, and Washington.  He does project us as finishing 17-13 and 7-11 in Big East.


Has us ranked 41st, Pomeroy has us at 35 currently.

[BM1090]

T-Rank has us currently as last 4 in, alongside Purdue, Xavier, and Washington.  He does project us as finishing 17-13 and 7-11 in Big East.


Has us ranked 41st, Pomeroy has us at 35 currently.

I think you're looking at the results I plugged in. He has us as the first 10 seed.

[Elonsmusk]

I think you're looking at the results I plugged in. He has us as the first 10 seed.

Hmm.  I refreshed the page and when I scroll to the bottom of our team page he has us as an 11 seed.  Either way..trending toward a bubble team in a down year in college hoop.  Considering loss of Hausers, I'll be happy with an NCAA bid, but sure would like to see a win too.

[MuMark]

Bracket Matrix has us in better shape then TRank

https://twitter.com/bracketproject/status/1215822330896642050?s=21

[The Thing]

So Lunardi has us with a potential (albeit unlikely) second round matchup with 15 seed Murray State Racers. I would like that rematch.

[BM1090]

27 on Lunardi's S curve

https://twitter.com/ESPNLunardi/status/1216045330279485440?s=19

[BM1090]

8 seed per Lunardi

http://m.espn.com/ncb/bracketology?src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FaKjK0Mi1PF%3Famp%3D1%22%7D

[lessthannick11]

From The Athletic Bubble Watch today


Marquette (11-5, 1-3; NET: 42, SOS: 36):[/size] Marquette was already fairly close to the (very precise and not at all imaginary) work to do/should be in threshold last week. Then it lost to Providence (at home) and Seton Hall (away). No big deal on the latter, and the former is hardly a season-ending catastrophe, but the cumulative effect of both was to cast this résumé in a slightly different light. Suddenly, home wins over Purdue and Villanova are basically the only noteworthy results here, and Purdue still doesn't qualify in Quadrant 1. Don't freak out, Golden Eagles fans, but a slight downgrade is definitely in order.

[shoothoops]

As some others see MU...(again this is all light hearted stuff for any that take it too seriously at this point compared to when it counts) .....Andy Katz has MU a 10 seed today.

[BM1090]

From The Athletic Bubble Watch today


Marquette (11-5, 1-3; NET: 42, SOS: 36):[/size] Marquette was already fairly close to the (very precise and not at all imaginary) work to do/should be in threshold last week. Then it lost to Providence (at home) and Seton Hall (away). No big deal on the latter, and the former is hardly a season-ending catastrophe, but the cumulative effect of both was to cast this résumé in a slightly different light. Suddenly, home wins over Purdue and Villanova are basically the only noteworthy results here, and Purdue still doesn't qualify in Quadrant 1. Don't freak out, Golden Eagles fans, but a slight downgrade is definitely in order.

Fair assessment.

[SaveOD238]

...Don't freak out, Golden Eagles fans...

This.

[muguru]

Lunardi says time to worry??

Joe Lunardi
@ESPNLunardi
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1h
Time to worry about Texas Tech (1-5 in Q1), Marquette (1-4) and Florida (0-3)? Numbers like that rarely improve as the season rolls along.

[BM1090]

Lunardi says time to worry??

Joe Lunardi
@ESPNLunardi
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1h
Time to worry about Texas Tech (1-5 in Q1), Marquette (1-4) and Florida (0-3)? Numbers like that rarely improve as the season rolls along.

Guessing he's talking more about seeding, but yeah. Purdue getting hot and turning into a Q1 win would be nice. Still 9 more opportunities for Q1 wins as it stands now.

[GB Warrior]

The reality is that a loss for either Xavier or MU is not a death sentence in and of itself, but it results in the need to rattle off a fairly lengthy win streak with little margin for error.

[WarriorDad]

Lunardi says time to worry??

Joe Lunardi
@ESPNLunardi
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1h
Time to worry about Texas Tech (1-5 in Q1), Marquette (1-4) and Florida (0-3)? Numbers like that rarely improve as the season rolls along.

Chris Beard is on the list of coaches people want.  Florida's coach would be for some, too.  Few are immune from basketball ups and downs.

Tomorrow's game is a must win.

[shoothoops]

Chris Beard is on the list of coaches people want.  Florida's coach would be for some, too.  Few are immune from basketball ups and downs.

Tomorrow's game is a must win.

Chris Beard made the Elite 8 in his 2nd season at Texas Tech. He made it to the NCAA Title game last season in just his 3rd season. Texas Tech had never gone past the Sweet 16 in school history prior to that, a difficult place to win historically.

If Wojo did these things in his first three or even six seasons he would get a well deserved enormous pass this season as well. (TT is recruiting well too)

Mike White made it to the Elite 8 at Florida in just his 2nd season. He is coming off of three straight NCAA appearances where his team has not lost in the first round.

These would not be the best examples and comparisons. Apples to oranges.

The overall point is that they had big success in short order at their schools, and seem to be positioned to do so moving forward. Never winning an NCAA game isn't really comparable to that.

Texas Tech is 36 in The Net and Florida 53.

[dajudge]

Lunardi says time to worry??

Joe Lunardi
@ESPNLunardi
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1h
Time to worry about Texas Tech (1-5 in Q1), Marquette (1-4) and Florida (0-3)? Numbers like that rarely improve as the season rolls along.

Now says we are an 8, playing Ill. in Omaha

[MU82]

Chris Beard made the Elite 8 in his 2nd season at Texas Tech. He made it to the NCAA Title game last season in just his 3rd season. Texas Tech had never gone past the Sweet 16 in school history prior to that, a difficult place to win historically.

If Wojo did these things in his first three or even six seasons he would get a well deserved enormous pass this season as well. (TT is recruiting well too)

Mike White made it to the Elite 8 at Florida in just his 2nd season. He is coming off of three straight NCAA appearances where his team has not lost in the first round.

These would not be the best examples and comparisons. Apples to oranges.

The overall point is that they had big success in short order at their schools, and seem to be positioned to do so moving forward. Never winning an NCAA game isn't really comparable to that.

Texas Tech is 36 in The Net and Florida 53.

Agree. I wish Wojo did as well as quickly as Beard and White. That kind of fast success is rare but it does happen, and Wojo wasn't one of those who was able to do it.

So the solution is ... fire him coming off a 24-win season, with a top-10 recruiting class already signed, and without a trace of NCAA rule violations during his entire tenure?

Not sure how many university presidents would do that, but maybe some would. I welcome hearing some examples of those who have.

[Galway Eagle]

Agree. I wish Wojo did as well as quickly as Beard and White. That kind of fast success is rare but it does happen, and Wojo wasn't one of those who was able to do it.

So the solution is ... fire him coming off a 24-win season, with a top-10 recruiting class already signed, and without a trace of NCAA rule violations during his entire tenure?

Not sure how many university presidents would do that, but maybe some would. I welcome hearing some examples of those who have.

Didn't UCLA do that to Ben howland? I know there were other issues but I don't remember ncaa violations.

[GooooMarquette]

Didn't UCLA do that to Ben howland? I know there were other issues but I don't remember ncaa violations.

Don't think the NCAA ever got involved, but he totally lost control of the players.

https://www.espn.com/los-angeles/ncb/story/_/id/7629031/ucla-bruins-coach-ben-howland-lost-control-highly-recruited-players-according-report

Wojo has behaved very differently, making it clear that it is his program. Pretty sure the BOT prefers Wojo's way to Howland's.

[BM1090]

Up to a 6 seed on Bracketville. 24 on the S-Curve

https://bracketville.wordpress.com/bracketology/

[tower912]

And some say the current resume is that of a bubble team or out.    Just keep winning.