Main Menu
collapse

Resources

Recent Posts

Proposed rule changes( coaching challenges) by muwarrior69
[Today at 04:54:21 PM]


Recruiting as of 4/15/25 by MuMark
[Today at 03:09:00 PM]


OT MU adds swimming program by The Sultan
[Today at 12:10:04 PM]


Ethan Johnston to Marquette by Zog from Margo
[Today at 09:43:17 AM]


Pope Leo XIV by tower912
[May 08, 2025, 09:06:36 PM]


2025-26 Schedule by Galway Eagle
[May 08, 2025, 01:47:03 PM]

Please Register - It's FREE!

The absolute only thing required for this FREE registration is a valid e-mail address. We keep all your information confidential and will NEVER give or sell it to anyone else.
Login to get rid of this box (and ads) , or signup NOW!


Herman Cain

"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Uncle Rico

Bad news.  JP Morgan says no recession coming
Guster is for Lovers

TSmith34, Inc.

Personally, I am more concerned about the chance of a recession now than I was back when Dimon and a slew of others were calling it. I just think the Fed has continued to raise rates for too long and the full effects are still working their way into the economy.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

MU82

Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on August 05, 2023, 06:31:28 AM
Personally, I am more concerned about the chance of a recession now than I was back when Dimon and a slew of others were calling it. I just think the Fed has continued to raise rates for too long and the full effects are still working their way into the economy.

I like the contrarian take.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Coleman

Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on August 05, 2023, 06:31:28 AM
Personally, I am more concerned about the chance of a recession now than I was back when Dimon and a slew of others were calling it. I just think the Fed has continued to raise rates for too long and the full effects are still working their way into the economy.

BGWOAF, BFWOAG

Herman Cain

"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Goose

Just read today that credit card debt topped $1 trillion for the first time and hardship withdrawals from 401k's is up 36% over a year ago. These are both troubling reports, and sadly, shows how fragile the economy is and what may have been driving the economy over the past year, IMO.

I know I am in minority on here, but I firmly believe that this economy has been very fragile since the start of the pandemic and needs to be watched closely. I will add, since it seems like I am the only on here that thinks the economy is currently in a dangerous spot, that I more concerned than I was a year ago on the economy.

Pakuni

Quote from: Goose on August 08, 2023, 02:17:21 PM
Just read today that credit card debt topped $1 trillion for the first time and hardship withdrawals from 401k's is up 36% over a year ago. These are both troubling reports, and sadly, shows how fragile the economy is and what may have been driving the economy over the past year, IMO.

I know I am in minority on here, but I firmly believe that this economy has been very fragile since the start of the pandemic and needs to be watched closely. I will add, since it seems like I am the only on here that thinks the economy is currently in a dangerous spot, that I more concerned than I was a year ago on the economy.

Huh?
Virtually everyone believes the economy has been fragile since the start of the pandemic and needs to be watched closely.

4everwarriors

No inflation...nothin' ta cee heer, aina?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Pakuni

Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 08, 2023, 02:46:28 PM
No inflation...nothin' ta cee heer, aina?

Another thing no one here said.

Coleman

Quote from: Goose on August 08, 2023, 02:17:21 PM
Just read today that credit card debt topped $1 trillion for the first time and hardship withdrawals from 401k's is up 36% over a year ago. These are both troubling reports, and sadly, shows how fragile the economy is and what may have been driving the economy over the past year, IMO.

I know I am in minority on here, but I firmly believe that this economy has been very fragile since the start of the pandemic and needs to be watched closely. I will add, since it seems like I am the only on here that thinks the economy is currently in a dangerous spot, that I more concerned than I was a year ago on the economy.

You can view the credit card debt in several different lenses....consumer spending fuels the economy, so from a macro perspective, there are positives (obviously from a personal finance perspective it is not a good thing). $1 trillion is a big number but inflation adjusted, is it really that much higher than other recent time periods?

The 401k stat is much more concerning, and is surprising given how low unemployment is. Why are people with jobs pulling from their 401k for hardships? That one puzzles me a bit.

MuggsyB

Quote from: Coleman on August 08, 2023, 03:29:42 PM
You can view the credit card debt in several different lenses....consumer spending fuels the economy, so from a macro perspective, there are positives (obviously from a personal finance perspective it is not a good thing). $1 trillion is a big number but inflation adjusted, is it really that much higher than other recent time periods?

The 401k stat is much more concerning, and is surprising given how low unemployment is. Why are people with jobs pulling from their 401k for hardships? That one puzzles me a bit.

Because true wages are down when adjusted for inflation?

4everwarriors

Quote from: Pakuni on August 08, 2023, 02:50:33 PM
Another thing no one here said.



Nah, right from the horse's mouth, hey?

#GodsavetheQueen
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Lennys Tap

Quote from: MUBurrow on July 28, 2023, 11:58:04 AM
Yeah I'm starting to lose the thread on the popular understanding of when profiteering is a feature and when its a bug.  Like, we don't have anyone price gouging on bottles of water in a disaster or anything like that right now.  So barring monopolistic activity or price fixing, shouldn't everyone be charging as much for whatever they're selling as they can?

+1. To comrade jesmu profiting and profiteering are essentially the same thing.

BLM4EVA

Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 08, 2023, 03:45:12 PM


Nah, right from the horse's mouth, hey?

#GodsavetheQueen
No inflation, cancer cured, I LOVE BIDENOMICS!!! Gimme more

Goose

Pakuni

Ok, for some odd reason I thought I was told multiple times that my concern over the economy was unfounded. Glad to hear I was not the only one concerned.

Skatastrophy

Quote from: Goose on August 08, 2023, 04:12:18 PM
Pakuni

Ok, for some odd reason I thought I was told multiple times that my concern over the economy was unfounded. Glad to hear I was not the only one concerned.

The economy is still overheating. Inflation over the past 1-2 years was higher for longer than you'd like and unemployment is back to being too low. That's why the Fed is raising rates. We're finally getting GDP YoY growth back down to normal levels.

Pakuni

Quote from: Goose on August 08, 2023, 04:12:18 PM
Pakuni

Ok, for some odd reason I thought I was told multiple times that my concern over the economy was unfounded. Glad to hear I was not the only one concerned.

I recall plenty of discussion and differing opinions on the severity of the economic downturn, the long-term impacts of inflation and the pandemic, the likelihood of recession, the proper response from the government and the Fed, etc.
I recall no one saying "The economy is fine. No need to even pay attention."
If I'm wrong, I'm sure you can dig up the receipts.




MuggsyB

We're doing spectacularly compared to Argentina.  Wow....just wow.

Skatastrophy

Quote from: MuggsyB on August 08, 2023, 04:52:42 PM
We're doing spectacularly compared to Argentina.  Wow....just wow.

We're doing well vs the field. Check this out if you missed it a couple of days ago - https://www.ft.com/content/088d3368-bb8b-4ff3-9df7-a7680d4d81b2

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: MuggsyB on August 08, 2023, 04:52:42 PM
We're doing spectacularly compared to Argentina.  Wow....just wow.
We're doing spectacularly compared almost all of the rest of the world (but yeah, Argentina is a cluskerfuck).  But I reiterate my recent concerns that the Fed is overshooting and risking reversing that.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

jesmu84

Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 08, 2023, 04:03:22 PM
+1. To comrade jesmu profiting and profiteering are essentially the same thing.

Source?

jesmu84

Quote from: Goose on August 08, 2023, 02:17:21 PM
Just read today that credit card debt topped $1 trillion for the first time and hardship withdrawals from 401k's is up 36% over a year ago. These are both troubling reports, and sadly, shows how fragile the economy is and what may have been driving the economy over the past year, IMO.

I know I am in minority on here, but I firmly believe that this economy has been very fragile since the start of the pandemic and needs to be watched closely. I will add, since it seems like I am the only on here that thinks the economy is currently in a dangerous spot, that I more concerned than I was a year ago on the economy.

Economy for the bottom 50% is teetering on calamity.

At least the stocks are up!

MuggsyB

Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on August 08, 2023, 05:12:11 PM
We're doing spectacularly compared almost all of the rest of the world (but yeah, Argentina is a cluskerunnatural carnal knowledge).  But I reiterate my recent concerns that the Fed is overshooting and risking reversing that.

Argentina should be an economic powerhouse.  What a terribly sad history there. 

jesmu84

Quote from: MuggsyB on August 08, 2023, 05:33:46 PM
Argentina should be an economic powerhouse.  What a terribly sad history there.

At least we didn't contribute to that sad history

Previous topic - Next topic