Well that was a waste

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Division 3 schools do this all the time.  At many schools athletics is basically an admissions excercise.  You start a sports program that brings in 20 students, those 20 students pay on average of $30,000, and you have just earned $600,000 you likely wouldn't have otherwise earned.  You offset that with a $10,000 coaching stipend, $5,000 for an assistant and $4,000 for equipment and travel and you have just put $580,000 toward your bottom line.

The ability to continue to play a sport that you have enjoyed throughout high school oftentimes makes the difference between attending one school (D3) and another where those opportunities may not be available (D1)

This is exactly what just happened at a D3 school up the road, only they started both men's and women's team so double your revenue numbers, though also factor in some pretty significant travel expenses.

[muguru]

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/pr...n-loansharking

Now you might be asking...what does this have to do with anything?? Because of this part right here...

The court-authorized wiretaps also captured the defendants' scheme to fix an NCAA college basketball game. To further the scheme, defendant Benjamin Bifalco offered members of a college basketball team thousands of dollars to intentionally lose the game.

[Uncle Rico]

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/pr...n-loansharking

Now you might be asking...what does this have to do with anything?? Because of this part right here...

The court-authorized wiretaps also captured the defendants' scheme to fix an NCAA college basketball game. To further the scheme, defendant Benjamin Bifalco offered members of a college basketball team thousands of dollars to intentionally lose the game.

I am asking myself what this has to do with NIL?

[Pakuni]

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/pr...n-loansharking

Now you might be asking...what does this have to do with anything?? Because of this part right here...

The court-authorized wiretaps also captured the defendants' scheme to fix an NCAA college basketball game. To further the scheme, defendant Benjamin Bifalco offered members of a college basketball team thousands of dollars to intentionally lose the game.

I'm still asking what this has to do with anything.

[Uncle Rico]

https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1179415243350581249?s=21

Pac-12 women don't need or want your concern

[muguru]

I'm still asking what this has to do with anything.

You're slow, I understand, so I will explain...this was a wire tap that the FBI used..they caught these guys trying to fix an NCAA game, and offered players $$ to purposely lose the game. This is the "fbi investigations" thread. If you don't see a connection/problem with PROOF that an NCAA game was attempted to be(and may have been) fixed, and players were offered $$ to lose a game on purpose..You don't find that...relevant??

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

You're slow, I understand, so I will explain...this was a wire tap that the FBI used..they caught these guys trying to fix an NCAA game, and offered players $$ to purposely lose the game. This is the "fbi investigations" thread. If you don't see a connection/problem with PROOF that an NCAA game was attempted to be(and may have been) fixed, and players were offered $$ to lose a game on purpose..You don't find that...relevant??

I mean it started as the FBI investigation thread....but we haven't been on that topic for about 25ish pages so I think confusion is understandable.

[Uncle Rico]

You're slow, I understand, so I will explain...this was a wire tap that the FBI used..they caught these guys trying to fix an NCAA game, and offered players $$ to purposely lose the game. This is the "fbi investigations" thread. If you don't see a connection/problem with PROOF that an NCAA game was attempted to be(and may have been) fixed, and players were offered $$ to lose a game on purpose..You don't find that...relevant??

Yes, this has happened throughout the history of college basketball.

In the early 1950's, it happened at CCNY and Kentucky.  The mob fixed games at Boston College in the 1970's and was briefly mentioned in GoodFellas.  Tulane suspended its program in the 80's over point shaving.  Stevin Smith shaved points at Arizona State in the late 90's.

Again, what does it have to do with NIL

[lawdog77]

I mean it started as the FBI investigation thread....but we haven't been on that topic for about 25ish pages so I think confusion is understandable.

How dare someone try to get back on topic. I honestly forgot what the Original topic was

[Pakuni]

You're slow, I understand, so I will explain...this was a wire tap that the FBI used..they caught these guys trying to fix an NCAA game, and offered players $$ to purposely lose the game. This is the "fbi investigations" thread. If you don't see a connection/problem with PROOF that an NCAA game was attempted to be(and may have been) fixed, and players were offered $$ to lose a game on purpose..You don't find that...relevant??

This isn't an "FBI investigations" thread. It's an "NCAA doesn't punish blue bloods that cheat" thread that morphed into a "Players making money from their likeness" thread.

[lawdog77]

This isn't an "FBI investigations" thread. It's an "NCAA doesn't punish blue bloods that cheat" thread that morphed into a "Players making money from their likeness" thread.

thats your opinion

[mu03eng]

You're slow, I understand, so I will explain...this was a wire tap that the FBI used..they caught these guys trying to fix an NCAA game, and offered players $$ to purposely lose the game. This is the "fbi investigations" thread. If you don't see a connection/problem with PROOF that an NCAA game was attempted to be(and may have been) fixed, and players were offered $$ to lose a game on purpose..You don't find that...relevant??

In other news, something that has always illegal continues to be illegal and people were caught doing it.....neat

[Uncle Rico]

In response to the question of whether parity exists in college basketball, there have been 164 1-seeds since 1979 when seeding began.

35% of 1-seeds, totaling 57 of the available 164 have come from 4 schools.  They are UNC (17), Duke and Kansas (14) and Kentucky with 12. 

42% of the 1-seeds have come from 6-teams if we include Virginia and Arizona who have been 1-seeds 7 and 6 times respectively.

55% of 1-seeds have come from 11 teams if we include those who have been a 1-seed 5 times

65% of 1-seeds have come from 15 teams if we include those who have been a 1-seed 4 times

Of North Carolina's 17 1-seeds, 8 have come since 2000.  Duke has had 10 in that span and Kansas 9. 

Since 2000, Carolina has 3 NCAA titles, UConn has 3 and Duke has 3.  They've accounted for 9 of 20 NCAA championships.  Florida and Villanova have 2.  5 teams have won 13 of 20 championships in the 21st Century.

Kansas, Louisville, Kentucky, Michigan State and Syracuse each have one.  An argument can be made that each is a basketball blue blood and perennial contenders.  The "outliers" are Maryland and Virginia.  And both have rich, basketball histories.  Heck, only 5-schools can claim more 1-seeds than Virginia.

I know 1-seed is a subjective marker but it shows consistency and how there are very few schools that are real contenders year-in, year-out.

[The Sultan]

It's even more consolidated in football.  The College Football Playoff has been going on for five years.  20 opportunities for participation:

Alabama has been in all five
Clemson has been in four
Oklahoma three
Ohio State two
And five teams once

And Alabama has been in four of the five championship games, playing Clemson three of those times.

I honestly don't know what "less parity" could possibly look like.

[Cheeks]

It's even more consolidated in football.  The College Football Playoff has been going on for five years.  20 opportunities for participation:

Alabama has been in all five
Clemson has been in four
Oklahoma three
Ohio State two
And five teams once

And Alabama has been in four of the five championship games, playing Clemson three of those times.

I honestly don't know what "less parity" could possibly look like.

You are absolutely correct for football, and will only get worse.  That's when you will see even less parity.

Basketball, not the case right now, but will be heading that way.   Optimistic about the comments from many conference commissioners today.  Fight this in the courts.

[Uncle Rico]

You are absolutely correct for football, and will only get worse.  That's when you will see even less parity.

Basketball, not the case right now, but will be heading that way.   Optimistic about the comments from many conference commissioners today.  Fight this in the courts.

If you believe there is parity in college basketball, a national NIL shouldn't concern you.

Since 2010, Kentucky has had the first or second best recruiting classes in 24/7.  In that span, they've made 4 Final Fours and won one national title and haven't been to the Final 4 since 2015.  Reasonable people would agree they'd be the most aggressive user of a NIL.

Since 2014, Duke has had the first or second best class.  They've made one Final Four in that stretch and won a national title. 

Since 2010, Arizona has been in the top 5 for recruiting rankings according to 24/7 5 different times and don't have a Final 4.  They've certainly cheated.

The past 3 national champions are as follows with their 24/7 rankings for the 4 years leading to their titles

2019 Virginia: 65, 95, 7, 62
2018 Villanova: 28,45, 29, 48
2017 UNC: 14, 70, 10, 15

Carolina has one top 5 class this decade

If it's the 1% of college basketball players that will receive benefits, it shouldn't change what has happened on the court if you believe the game has parity right now.

[muguru]

If you believe there is parity in college basketball, a national NIL shouldn't concern you.

Since 2010, Kentucky has had the first or second best recruiting classes in 24/7.  In that span, they've made 4 Final Fours and won one national title and haven't been to the Final 4 since 2015.  Reasonable people would agree they'd be the most aggressive user of a NIL.

Since 2014, Duke has had the first or second best class.  They've made one Final Four in that stretch and won a national title. 

Since 2010, Arizona has been in the top 5 for recruiting rankings according to 24/7 5 different times and don't have a Final 4.  They've certainly cheated.

The past 3 national champions are as follows with their 24/7 rankings for the 4 years leading to their titles

2019 Virginia: 65, 95, 7, 62
2018 Villanova: 28,45, 29, 48
2017 UNC: 14, 70, 10, 15

Carolina has one top 5 class this decade

If it's the 1% of college basketball players that will receive benefits, it shouldn't change what has happened on the court if you believe the game has parity right now.

In a way, I feel bad for you...you're going to be LIVID if/when the NCAA takes this to court and wins, aren't you?? Will you stop watching college sports if that happens??

[Uncle Rico]

In a way, I feel bad for you...you're going to be LIVID if/when the NCAA takes this to court and wins, aren't you?? Will you stop watching college sports if that happens??

I feel bad for you, for a number of reasons.

[muguru]

I feel bad for you, for a number of reasons.

No reason to, I appreciate your concern however. I'm just wondering how you're going to handle it when the NCAA wins in court(because legally they will). Are you going to have a hissy fit because these big bad Presidents etc, make so much more $$ than you do, and you don't like that? IF this were to lead to the demise of MU basketball sometime down the road, will you be happy about that to??

Tell ya what...how about this?? If you get paid for your likeness, then you foot your own bill for your scholarship, etc?? That seems like a fair trade off, doesn't it??

[Uncle Rico]

No reason to, I appreciate your concern however. I'm just wondering how you're going to handle it when the NCAA wins in court(because legally they will). Are you going to have a hissy fit because these big bad Presidents etc, make so much more $$ than you do, and you don't like that? IF this were to lead to the demise of MU basketball sometime down the road, will you be happy about that to??

Tell ya what...how about this?? If you get paid for your likeness, then you foot your own bill for your scholarship, etc?? That seems like a fair trade off, doesn't it??

Well, they can certainly fight every state that passes NIL legislation, 13 states likely to pass similar bills and counting with more certainly to follow with large bipartisan support.  That doesn't take into consideration a potential federal bill that is being discussed, again with large bipartisan support. 

The NCAA really doesn't want to take on the federal government in this matter.  Here is the potential bill https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1804/text?r=44&s=1

Good luck with those lawsuits.

[muguru]

Well, they can certainly fight every state that passes NIL legislation, 13 states likely to pass similar bills and counting with more certainly to follow with large bipartisan support.  That doesn't take into consideration a potential federal bill that is being discussed, again with large bipartisan support. 

The NCAA really doesn't want to take on the federal government in this matter.  Here is the potential bill https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1804/text?r=44&s=1

Good luck with those lawsuits.

In case you forgot, they already won the Ed O' Bannon lawsuit.

[Uncle Rico]

In case you forgot, they already won the Ed O' Bannon lawsuit.

Not relevant to state or federal NIL laws.  The NCAA will have to take on individual states and perhaps the federal government.  Also, the courts didn't rule in complete favor of the NCAA in that case

[The Sultan]

In case you forgot, they already won the Ed O' Bannon lawsuit.

Kind of. They lost on the restraint of trade fact but won by appealing the original order that provided immediate compensation. The appeals court ruled that a full cost of attendance scholarship is sufficient compensation.

[The Sultan]

Not relevant to state or federal NIL laws.  The NCAA will have to take on individual states and perhaps the federal government.  Also, the courts didn't rule in complete favor of the NCAA in that case

Yeah that's a good point. OBannon ruled on likeness licensing collected by the NCAA.

[Uncle Rico]

Yeah that's a good point. OBannon ruled on likeness licensing collected by the NCAA.

The original ruling in the O'Bannon case was nonsensical when the judge ordered schools to put away a certain amount for each athlete.  It was an arbitrary figure.  The antitrust part of it stood and that's why they won't fight a federal law that allows for likeness compensation