Markus Climbing The Ladder

[Cheeks]

i love wade, and was at 4 of 5 games during the 2003 run - this is false. 

Diener carried us against Holy Cross, and without Novak we likely go down in OT to Missouri in round 2.  Wade carried us through Minnesota - with a lot of help from the rest.  Against UK, Wade gets a lot of credit for the 29/11/11, but Robert Jackson had 24/15 - with great D on Estill and Novak was 5/8 from 3.  Let's not pretend Wade was a 1 man show.  Again, i think his spectacular NBA career has revised a lot of memories of the great 03 TEAM (lead by a future all time great) into Wade and a band of misfits.

Diener scored a lot of points against Holy Cross, in part because they were keying on Wade.  Wade took a lot of pressure off other guys.  Wade led the team in assists and blocks that game and tied for the lead in rebounds and steals. He was also perfect from the FT line at 7-7.  He scored 15.

In the Missouri game, again Wade led the team in assists and tied for the lead in rebounds and steals, added 24 points. 

People are looking too much at scoring and not the other aspects key to winning...defense, rebounding, assists, etc.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

i love wade, and was at 4 of 5 games during the 2003 run - this is false. 

Diener carried us against Holy Cross, and without Novak we likely go down in OT to Missouri in round 2.  Wade carried us through Minnesota - with a lot of help from the rest.  Against UK, Wade gets a lot of credit for the 29/11/11, but Robert Jackson had 24/15 - with great D on Estill and Novak was 5/8 from 3.  Let's not pretend Wade was a 1 man show.  Again, i think his spectacular NBA career has revised a lot of memories of the great 03 TEAM (lead by a future all time great) into Wade and a band of misfits.

Wade had 24-8-7 against Missouri.  People seem to forget this due to Diener's brilliance and Novak's OT performance.   Maybe the most underappreciated game in Wade's career.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I'm going to apologize ahead of time for using a Guru saying.

Honestly, while the numbers are fun to look at, when discussing GOAT, I would use the patented GURU eye test more than stats, age, or tourney success.  For example, the two best collegiate players that I have seen over the last 25 years or so each only played one year.  One of them won the National Championship, while the other only made the round of 32.  One averaged over 25 ppg, while the other averaged under 15.  However, both won Naismith POY, and it was clear that both were clearly a class above their competition.  Each of them developed into NBA superstars, but even if they hadn't, I still would have thought that they were the two best/most dominant players in a long time.  The players in question?  Durant and Davis.  Durant gets the nod despite not making it to the second weekend of the tourney, and Davis gets it despite averaging less than 15 ppg.  In my eyes, both were just in another class compared to their peers.

I use the eye test as well. That's the category that Wade dominates in more than any other.

[Its DJOver]

I use the eye test as well. That's the category that Wade dominates in more than any other.

Respectfully disagree.  The more video game moments Markus has, the closer it gets.  Wade certainly had his fair share, but Markus is constantly closing the gap IMO.

[MomofMUltiples]

Ok, maybe y'all can argue GOAT in another thread.  I personally think it's a stupid argument; you cant really compare player across eras.  And everybody has a different criteria for what constitutes GOAT.

Back to Markus climbing the ladder, in the FOX pregame show I noticed another ladder for Markus to climb.  If Markus scores 341 more points, he and Jordan will surpass Seth and Steph Curry for most college points scored by a brother duo.

Go Markus!

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Its odd to think about this so early, but Markus will likely start his ascent past some all-time greats on the scoring list in the next few games.

Jerel McNeal - 1,985
Lazar Hayward - 1,859
MARKUS 1786 Through PC
George Thompson - 1,773
Dominic James - 1,749
Butch Lee - 1,735
Travis Diener - 1,691
Brian Wardle - 1,690
Tony Smith - 1,688
Wesley Matthews - 1,673
Bo Ellis - 1,663
Darius Johnson-Odom - 1,649
Damon Key - 1,647
Dean Meminger - 1,637
Trevor Powell - 1,571
Steve Novak - 1,567
Don Kojis - 1,504
Bob Wolf - 1,479
Roney Eford - 1,471
Aaron Hutchins - 1,439
Don Kojis - 1,504
Bob Wolf - 1,479
Roney Eford - 1,471
Aaron Hutchins - 1,439

Only 2 left.  Amazing. 

[GooooMarquette]

I sense a 73-point outing against Nova to tie 'Zar.

[MomofMUltiples]

Highest Scoring Brothers

All-Time College Basketball

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Steph and Seth Curry                4,736
Tyler and Ben Hansbrough.        4,485
Larry and Eddie Bird                  4,405
Chuck and Wesley Person.          4,377
Markus and Jordan Howard    4,310

[ATL MU Warrior]

Highest Scoring Brothers

All-Time College Basketball

[/b]

Steph and Seth Curry                4,736
Tyler and Bob Hansbrough.        4,485
Larry and Eddie Burd.                4,405
Chuck and Wesley Person.          4,377
Markus and Jordan Howard    4,310

This is the first time I have ever heard of Eddie Bird (or Burd).

[Heisenberg]

This is the first time I have ever heard of Eddie Bird (or Burd).

Youngest of the five Bird brothers.  Played at Indiana State from 1987 to 1991

Started 81 games and scored 1,555 points.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/eddie-bird-1.html

[MomofMUltiples]

This is the first time I have ever heard of Eddie Bird (or Burd).

Whoops! 

[lawdog77]

Whoops! 

Believe it is Ben, not Bob

[brewcity77]

Markus Howard just became the fifth player in Big East history to score 1,000 points in league games as a junior. The other four are Richard Hamilton, Ray Allen, Pat Garrity, & Dominique Jones.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Its odd to think about this so early, but Markus will likely start his ascent past some all-time greats on the scoring list in the next few games.

Jerel McNeal - 1,985
Lazar Hayward - 1,859
MARKUS 1811 Through VU
George Thompson - 1,773
Dominic James - 1,749
Butch Lee - 1,735
Travis Diener - 1,691
Brian Wardle - 1,690
Tony Smith - 1,688
Wesley Matthews - 1,673
Bo Ellis - 1,663
Darius Johnson-Odom - 1,649
Damon Key - 1,647
Dean Meminger - 1,637
Trevor Powell - 1,571
Steve Novak - 1,567
Don Kojis - 1,504
Bob Wolf - 1,479
Roney Eford - 1,471
Aaron Hutchins - 1,439
Don Kojis - 1,504
Bob Wolf - 1,479
Roney Eford - 1,471
Aaron Hutchins - 1,439

[Heisenberg]

How about the season point list?

[TallTitan34]

How about the season point list?

Rowsey 716
Wade 710
Markus 703

[GooooMarquette]

Rowsey 716
Wade 710
Markus 703

A record falls on Sunday....

[MomofMUltiples]

Highest Scoring Brothers

All-Time College Basketball

[/b]

Steph and Seth Curry                4,736
Tyler and Ben Hansbrough.        4,485
Larry and Eddie Bird                  4,405
Chuck and Wesley Person.          4,377
Markus and Jordan Howard    4,335

[#UnleashSean]

This goat argument is getting dumber and dumber. So many people on scoop look at a single stat and dont consider any of the other factors that go into playing basketball.

If were talking about this current 2019 team and replaced Markus with college Wade were talking about being a legit 1 seed in the tournament and being undefeated in the big east.

YES Markus can score. He can score a lot, but he doesn't do anything else even slightly above average. Wade brings defense, rebounding, passing, and physical top notch defense as well as being able to drop 30.

[#UnleashSean]

A record falls on Sunday....

Poor rowsey doesn't even get to hold it for a full year before Howard decimates it.

[LloydsLegs]

Should he choose to return for his senior season, Markus w legit shot at all time Big East scoring record:

Troy Bell, BC, 2000-03:  2,632

[BM1090]

Should he choose to return for his senior season, Markus w legit shot at all time Big East scoring record:

Troy Bell, BC, 2000-03:  2,632

He'd break that, barring injury.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Its odd to think about this so early, but Markus will likely start his ascent past some all-time greats on the scoring list in the next few games.

Jerel McNeal - 1,985
Lazar Hayward - 1,859
MARKUS 1844 Through Creighton
George Thompson - 1,773
Dominic James - 1,749
Butch Lee - 1,735
Travis Diener - 1,691
Brian Wardle - 1,690
Tony Smith - 1,688
Wesley Matthews - 1,673
Bo Ellis - 1,663
Darius Johnson-Odom - 1,649
Damon Key - 1,647
Dean Meminger - 1,637
Trevor Powell - 1,571
Steve Novak - 1,567
Don Kojis - 1,504
Bob Wolf - 1,479
Roney Eford - 1,471
Aaron Hutchins - 1,439
Don Kojis - 1,504
Bob Wolf - 1,479
Roney Eford - 1,471
Aaron Hutchins - 1,439

Believe he took the single season scoring record today too.

[GooooMarquette]

Believe he took the single season scoring record today too.

Yep.

Markus 736
Rowsey 716
Wade 710

[SaveOD238]

Yep.

Markus 736
Rowsey 716
Wade 710

With at least four games remaining too.  Markus should end the season well over 800, with 900 within reach if we played like 8 more games.  We are watching something special with this kid.