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« Reply #100 on: November 08, 2018, 02:33:06 PM »
I worded it poorly, but my understanding is that there are some CBD salves that use industrial hemp as the source (no thc), and should be legal in all states.

Yes, there are, as well as chews/gummies.

CBD is excellent from a pain relief perspective. I usually use lotions or gels but I've found some of the edibles not only do the job that I'd usually need a muscle relaxant for, but the THC/CBD gummies really help to relax the mind and body and are great for sleeping issues. My wife takes them for anxiety issues she has at work - her boss suggested it.  Vaping it is good too. I have found my use of pain killers like Advil has dropped significantly after starting CBD products.

The whole marijuana prohibition is one of the biggest jokes of a policy in this country's history.
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« Reply #101 on: November 08, 2018, 02:33:32 PM »
Monarchy, dictatorship, totalitarianism, fascism, anarchy?
I live part time in northern Italy among many fascists, they don't like democracy either. 
Some like the idea of a Nobel class with lots of serfs.  It is a great way of getting magnificent cathedrals.

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« Reply #102 on: November 08, 2018, 03:06:30 PM »
Yes, there are, as well as chews/gummies.

CBD is excellent from a pain relief perspective. I usually use lotions or gels but I've found some of the edibles not only do the job that I'd usually need a muscle relaxant for, but the THC/CBD gummies really help to relax the mind and body and are great for sleeping issues. My wife takes them for anxiety issues she has at work - her boss suggested it.  Vaping it is good too. I have found my use of pain killers like Advil has dropped significantly after starting CBD products.

The whole marijuana prohibition is one of the biggest jokes of a policy in this country's history.

Agreed. Started out of fear of the hemp industry, and then grew.  Now its based on fear mongering, half truths, and uber conservatives who would outlaw alcohol if they could.

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« Reply #103 on: November 08, 2018, 03:12:30 PM »
The whole marijuana prohibition is one of the biggest jokes of a policy in this country's history.

The fact that it continues to be a schedule 1 drug boggles the mind.
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« Reply #104 on: November 08, 2018, 03:27:23 PM »
The fact that it continues to be a schedule 1 drug boggles the mind.

I think that has to do with the fact that THC is a) not universally accepted for its medicinal properties and b) there's no accepted standard for monitoring its use. 

It would seem both of those would wear off in time.  Inherently, THC does seem more like a Schedule 2, but the AMA is essentially the de facto final arbiter of what is/isn't on Schedule 1, and until they rule on THC, it's likely staying put.
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« Reply #105 on: November 08, 2018, 03:33:48 PM »
I think that has to do with the fact that THC is a) not universally accepted for its medicinal properties and b) there's no accepted standard for monitoring its use. 

It would seem both of those would wear off in time.  Inherently, THC does seem more like a Schedule 2, but the AMA is essentially the de facto final arbiter of what is/isn't on Schedule 1, and until they rule on THC, it's likely staying put.

I get that there is nuance that I'm not familiar with but the fact that pot is a schedule 1 and cocaine and meth are schedule 2 just doesn't pass the sniff test (pun 117% intended)
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« Reply #106 on: November 08, 2018, 03:37:43 PM »
Agreed. Started out of fear of the hemp industry, and then grew.  Now its based on fear mongering, half truths, and uber conservatives who would outlaw alcohol if they could.

Speaking of..........

Inconsolable Jeff Sessions Tries To Commit Suicide By Smoking Joint
https://politics.theonion.com/inconsolable-jeff-sessions-tries-to-commit-suicide-by-s-1826462420

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« Reply #107 on: November 08, 2018, 04:35:36 PM »
I think that has to do with the fact that THC is a) not universally accepted for its medicinal properties and b) there's no accepted standard for monitoring its use. 

It would seem both of those would wear off in time.  Inherently, THC does seem more like a Schedule 2, but the AMA is essentially the de facto final arbiter of what is/isn't on Schedule 1, and until they rule on THC, it's likely staying put.


Well since they aren't allowed to do studies on THC it makes that hard.

Also, if pot becomes legal, a lot of the prisons that give a lot of politicians donations will lose a lot of their customers.

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« Reply #108 on: November 08, 2018, 05:38:41 PM »
Plato's vision of a philosopher-king.  (Which will never happen.)

Enlightened despots come along infrequently - if you want the job you're likely not all that enlightened.

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« Reply #109 on: November 08, 2018, 06:03:31 PM »
Enlightened despots come along infrequently - if you want the job you're likely not all that enlightened.


Ahhhh....how philosophical.

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« Reply #110 on: November 08, 2018, 06:18:39 PM »
Speaking of..........

Inconsolable Jeff Sessions Tries To Commit Suicide By Smoking Joint
https://politics.theonion.com/inconsolable-jeff-sessions-tries-to-commit-suicide-by-s-1826462420

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« Reply #111 on: November 08, 2018, 06:36:08 PM »
Yes, there are, as well as chews/gummies.

CBD is excellent from a pain relief perspective. I usually use lotions or gels but I've found some of the edibles not only do the job that I'd usually need a muscle relaxant for, but the THC/CBD gummies really help to relax the mind and body and are great for sleeping issues. My wife takes them for anxiety issues she has at work - her boss suggested it.  Vaping it is good too. I have found my use of pain killers like Advil has dropped significantly after starting CBD products.

The whole marijuana prohibition is one of the biggest jokes of a policy in this country's history.

Advil is not a pain killer, per se

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« Reply #112 on: November 08, 2018, 06:37:06 PM »
Agreed. Started out of fear of the hemp industry, and then grew.  Now its based on fear mongering, half truths, and uber conservatives who would outlaw alcohol if they could.

Look into the beginnings of the demonization of marijuana more. Had less to do with the plant/chemicals and more to do with th people using it.

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« Reply #113 on: November 08, 2018, 08:47:27 PM »
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« Reply #114 on: November 08, 2018, 09:42:07 PM »
I get that there is nuance that I'm not familiar with but the fact that pot is a schedule 1 and cocaine and meth are schedule 2 just doesn't pass the sniff test (pun 117% intended)

Cocaine actually does have an acceptable medical use as an anesthetic for certain ENT procedures.  Incidentally, it’s manufactured from the cocaine that they remove from the coca leaves for Coca-Cola. 

Speculating, but guessing meth is categorized with amphetamine which does have several medical uses. 
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« Reply #115 on: November 08, 2018, 11:21:50 PM »
Cocaine actually does have an acceptable medical use as an anesthetic for certain ENT procedures.  Incidentally, it’s manufactured from the cocaine that they remove from the coca leaves for Coca-Cola. 

Speculating, but guessing meth is categorized with amphetamine which does have several medical uses.

Methylphenidate is Ritalin / Adderall
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« Reply #116 on: November 08, 2018, 11:40:16 PM »
Methylphenidate is Ritalin / Adderall

Adderall is amphetamine. 

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« Reply #117 on: November 08, 2018, 11:46:05 PM »
I worded it poorly, but my understanding is that there are some CBD salves that use industrial hemp as the source (no thc), and should be legal in all states.

Incidentally, CBD was considered schedule 1 until a little over a month ago.  It is now schedule 5.


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« Reply #118 on: November 09, 2018, 08:45:20 AM »
Adderall is amphetamine.

It is one example of amphetamine... IIRC, amphetamines are an entire class of drugs, not just a single formula sold under a bunch of brand names.

Methylphenidate is Ritalin / Adderall

https://www.rxlist.com/adderall_vs_ritalin/drugs-condition.htm

Both Adderall (amphetamine and dextroamphetamine) and Ritalin (methylphenidate) are central nervous system stimulants used to treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.

Methylphenidate (also sold as Concerta) isn't an amphetamine and its effects tend to be milder than those of Adderall. Patients also report a more pronounced effect on cognitive function and thought processes when taking Ritalin as opposed to Adderall, which comes with a number of effects on the body such as increased heart rate and others.
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« Reply #119 on: November 09, 2018, 08:48:53 AM »
"A democracy cannot exist as permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury"
Alexander Fraser Tytler


What is the alternative?

Monarchy, dictatorship, totalitarianism, fascism, anarchy?
I live part time in northern Italy among many fascists, they don't like democracy either. 
Some like the idea of a Nobel class with lots of serfs.  It is a great way of getting magnificent cathedrals.

I enjoy the system we live in.  Nothing is perfect.  Churchill said something to the effect.  The quote is famous about the delicate balance that exists, where a Democracy can be destroyed from within.

As for state taxes, I again would suggest to MUWarrior69 that he could move to one of those five states if he has a problem with paying them, but in the end taxes are paid another way to fund roads, sewers, hospitals, all needed for a society to function.
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« Reply #120 on: November 09, 2018, 08:52:51 AM »
I worded it poorly, but my understanding is that there are some CBD salves that use industrial hemp as the source (no thc), and should be legal in all states.

Fairly certain the latest farm bill in the Senate will make that federal law as you suggest.  The 2014 Farm Bill expired in the last month, and experts give it an 80% chance of passing in the lame duck session.

https://ministryofhemp.com/blog/2018-farm-bill/
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« Reply #121 on: November 09, 2018, 09:09:52 AM »

Well since they aren't allowed to do studies on THC it makes that hard.

Also, if pot becomes legal, a lot of the prisons that give a lot of politicians donations will lose a lot of their customers.

That's not true... there have been scores, perhaps hundreds, of publicly and privately funded studies on THC overseen by the gov't.  You think they just came up with that plot element in Half Baked on their own?  Of course not.  Hell, the gov't even funded LSD experiments during the cold war.  Any avid watcher of Archer (or fan of Christian Slater in general) knows that.

And I would be willing to bet that the majority of those jailed for petty marijuana offenses are predominantly being held in state and county lockups, not the for-profit supermaxx's (which don't exist in every state, by the way).  Illinois, for one, has an outright ban on privatization of prisons.  I would also be willing to bet that these prison operators have fixed contracts in place such that their profitability doesn't vary materially as the prison population fluctuates.
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« Reply #122 on: November 09, 2018, 09:37:03 AM »
It is one example of amphetamine... IIRC, amphetamines are an entire class of drugs, not just a single formula sold under a bunch of brand names.

Both Adderall (amphetamine and dextroamphetamine)

Adderall is amphetamine, more specifically it is a mixture of salts of amphetamine to allow time-controlled release.  That is a specific chemical, and what the founding member of the class "amphetamines".  It comes in two flavors, dextro- and levo- (also known as D- and L- or R- and S-), that are non-superimposable mirror images of each other (called enantiomers).

Dextro- is used for ADHD.  Levo- you can buy over the counter in some decongestants.

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« Reply #123 on: November 09, 2018, 10:43:23 AM »
Adderall is amphetamine, more specifically it is a mixture of salts of amphetamine to allow time-controlled release.  That is a specific chemical, and what the founding member of the class "amphetamines".  It comes in two flavors, dextro- and levo- (also known as D- and L- or R- and S-), that are non-superimposable mirror images of each other (called enantiomers).

Dextro- is used for ADHD.  Levo- you can buy over the counter in some decongestants.

Don't you mean an asymmetrical reciprocal?
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« Reply #124 on: November 09, 2018, 11:11:44 AM »
Re: voting...

It would seem Arizona and Florida are still being decided