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[Chili]

That's not true... there have been scores, perhaps hundreds, of publicly and privately funded studies on THC overseen by the gov't.  You think they just came up with that plot element in Half Baked on their own?  Of course not.  Hell, the gov't even funded LSD experiments during the cold war.  Any avid watcher of Archer (or fan of Christian Slater in general) knows that.

And I would be willing to bet that the majority of those jailed for petty marijuana offenses are predominantly being held in state and county lockups, not the for-profit supermaxx's (which don't exist in every state, by the way).  Illinois, for one, has an outright ban on privatization of prisons.  I would also be willing to bet that these prison operators have fixed contracts in place such that their profitability doesn't vary materially as the prison population fluctuates.

It's not easy to do studies at all. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK425757/

Also, all prisons are big bucks for a lot of people - whether public or private. There is a very real reason a lot of people want to keep lots of people, the vast majority of which are black and brown, locked up for non-violent marijuana (drug) offenses.

[mu03eng]

Re: voting...

It would seem Arizona and Florida are still being decided

Independent of who wants what results....it is amazing how stupid we are at the actual process of voting. My god Broward County, I'm pretty sure you should know to get the election process right, and yet, epic fail!

[Benny B]

Independent of who wants what results....it is amazing how stupid we are at the actual process of voting. My god Broward County, I'm pretty sure you should know to get the election process right, and yet, epic fail!

What's really boggling is that they're still trying to figure out how Pat Buchanan got on the ballot this year.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

What's really boggling is that they're still trying to figure out how Pat Buchanan got on the ballot this year.

LOL!!!  Recycled ballots?

[Benny B]

LOL!!!  Recycled ballots?

BTW - Everyone should watch the latest episode of South Park.  It's hilarious... I'm super cereal.

[barfolomew]

Ever open a thread on Scoop and wonder how it can go from this:

An hour long wait in my voting precinct.  Viva Democracy!

8 voting stations in a precinct of 10, 000

to this:

Adderall is amphetamine, more specifically it is a mixture of salts of amphetamine to allow time-controlled release.  That is a specific chemical, and what the founding member of the class "amphetamines".  It comes in two flavors, dextro- and levo- (also known as D- and L- or R- and S-), that are non-superimposable mirror images of each other (called enantiomers).

Dextro- is used for ADHD.  Levo- you can buy over the counter in some decongestants.

in just a couple of pages?

[Lennys Tap]

Independent of who wants what results....it is amazing how stupid we are at the actual process of voting. My god Broward County, I'm pretty sure you should know to get the election process right, and yet, epic fail!

Broward and Palm Beach counties do it the old fashioned Chicago/Cook County way - they wait for the rest of the state to count their ballots, see how many votes they need and try to "produce" them.

[mu_hilltopper]

Broward and Palm Beach counties do it the old fashioned Chicago/Cook County way - they wait for the rest of the state to count their ballots, see how many votes they need and try to "produce" them.

Could someone legit explain this?  I mean, if there was voter ballot fraud on a mass, historical level like you are suggesting, wouldn't FL's Sec of State (a Republican) or the FL Gov (a Republican) or the FL Atty General (a Republican) investigate these processes (from years' past)? 

Without searching, I would assume investigations have occurred and turned up no mass fake ballot fabricating process and just found what's obvious:  grossly inefficient ballot counting.   Am I wrong?

[GGGG]

There isn't massive vote fraud.  This is what the right claims whenever the absentee ballots start getting counted.  This is largely a result of making the process more voter friendly.  Hey but any excuse in a storm right?

A party of false bravado, victims and conspiracy theorists. 

[naginiF]

There isn't massive vote fraud.  This is what the right claims whenever the absentee ballots start getting counted.  This is largely a result of making the process more voter friendly.  Hey but any excuse in a storm right?

Look at Arizona.  People are whining about voter fraud because mail ballots are still being counted.  But even the local Republicans don't think anything is amiss.

I think the difference is that Broward county appears to be, and has been for a while, grossly incompetent in executing the job in an efficient manner.  That incompetence allows people to throw out any allegation they want and have the conversation shift to 'either they need to be removed or they are criminals' without any actual proof.

To hilltops point - if it was criminal activity a suit/investigation would have been brought to fruition.

[GGGG]

I think the difference is that Broward county appears to be, and has been for a while, grossly incompetent in executing the job in an efficient manner.  That incompetence allows people to throw out any allegation they want and have the conversation shift to 'either they need to be removed or they are criminals' without any actual proof.

Of course.  Everything's a conspiracy. 

[Lennys Tap]

I think the difference is that Broward county appears to be, and has been for a while, grossly incompetent in executing the job in an efficient manner.  That incompetence allows people to throw out any allegation they want and have the conversation shift to 'either they need to be removed or they are criminals' without any actual proof.

To hilltops point - if it was criminal activity a suit/investigation would have been brought to fruition.

Brenda Snipes was found (said she would appeal, don't think she did) to have illegally destroyed ballots in the 2016 election. She is still in charge.

[GGGG]

Brenda Snipes was found (said she would appeal, don't think she did) to have illegally destroyed ballots in the 2016 election. She is still in charge.

She destroyed ballots 12 months after an election instead of the required 22.  She didn't destroy them during the process, and the destruction didn't alter the outcome of any election.

She's had plenty of other issues.  She's clearly incompetent and should be removed from her job.  That doesn't mean she's fraudulent. 

[4everwarriors]

O, eye sea wear dis iz goin'. Eye'll beet Jeff two da punch. Inn beefour da lock, aina?

[mu_hilltopper]

This is a really good explanation:

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/9vnwhv/whats_the_deal_with_broward_county_and_the_talks/e9du73w/

Bottom line:  Lots of votes to count, and each one takes time as they verify signatures (which is insanity.)

[WarriorDad]

This is a really good explanation:

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/9vnwhv/whats_the_deal_with_broward_county_and_the_talks/e9du73w/

Bottom line:  Lots of votes to count, and each one takes time as they verify signatures (which is insanity.)

The judge ruled against Palm and Broward counties yesterday.   http://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/decision-2018/2018/11/09/recount-all-eyes-on-tight-florida-races


Looks like on the Broward side they accidentally mixed provisional ballots with actual ballots.  The incompetence in that office has been a problem going back many years.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/09/after-trump-scott-cry-fraud-critics-pounce-broward-countys-troubled-election-history/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1db4b4e000b9

[WarriorDad]

Brenda Snipes was found (said she would appeal, don't think she did) to have illegally destroyed ballots in the 2016 election. She is still in charge.

Someone on MSNBC made a good point today.  Miami-Dade county got their vote tally done and submitted to the Secretary of State. They are the largest county in Florida, but Palm and Broward didn't.  Those two counties continue to have these issues time and again.  Looks like Scott should have fired her in 2016. This may come back to haunt him. 

[MU82]

Hilarious to hear all this from the state that handed the presidency to Dubya.

But yeah, it is pretty pathetic that in 2018, these counties can't get this right and state leadership (i.e. Scott himself) couldn't have gotten it fixed.

[WarriorDad]

Hilarious to hear all this from the state that handed the presidency to Dubya.

But yeah, it is pretty pathetic that in 2018, these counties can't get this right and state leadership (i.e. Scott himself) couldn't have gotten it fixed.

The Supreme Court ruled it so, by 7-2 vote if memory serves.

Miami Herald article today with the headline "WHOOPS! Brenda Snipes office mixed bad provisional ballots with good ones" 
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article221452655.html

Even the hurricane ravaged panhandle counties got their votes in.  Now accusations that Broward duplicated ballots in private (no supervision) and originals cannot be replicated.  That's a felony.  This woman needs to be removed.  Same for the crazy GOP nut in Waukesha County that can't run her shop properly.

Final tallies are in.  Close, about 12K margin, will trigger a manual recount. In the history of recounts the greatest flips of votes was 1247 so this is over unless a new record of reversal 10X greater than history.  https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/recounts-rarely-reverse-election-results/

[GGGG]

The Supreme Court ruled it so, by 7-2 vote if memory serves.

Miami Herald article today with the headline "WHOOPS! Brenda Snipes office mixed bad provisional ballots with good ones" 
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article221452655.html

Even the hurricane ravaged panhandle counties got their votes in.  Now accusations that Broward duplicated ballots in private (no supervision) and originals cannot be replicated.  That's a felony.  This woman needs to be removed.  Same for the crazy GOP nut in Waukesha County that can't run her shop properly.

Final tallies are in.  Close, about 12K margin, will trigger a manual recount. In the history of recounts the greatest flips of votes was 1247 so this is over unless a new record of reversal 10X greater than history.  https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/recounts-rarely-reverse-election-results/

Your memory sucks Chicos. 5-4.

[jesmu84]

The Supreme Court ruled it so, by 7-2 vote if memory serves.

Miami Herald article today with the headline "WHOOPS! Brenda Snipes office mixed bad provisional ballots with good ones" 
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article221452655.html

Even the hurricane ravaged panhandle counties got their votes in.  Now accusations that Broward duplicated ballots in private (no supervision) and originals cannot be replicated.  That's a felony.  This woman needs to be removed.  Same for the crazy GOP nut in Waukesha County that can't run her shop properly.

Final tallies are in.  Close, about 12K margin, will trigger a manual recount. In the history of recounts the greatest flips of votes was 1247 so this is over unless a new record of reversal 10X greater than history.  https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/recounts-rarely-reverse-election-results/

Phew. I thought you were going to forget to point out faults on both sides. Good thing you dropped in that last sentence.

[WarriorDad]

Your memory sucks Chicos. 5-4.

Two rulings.  7 to 2.  5 to 4

7 to 2 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/dec/13/uselections2000.usa1

Video for those that don't like to read.  7 to 2 in the most important ruling.  Let us also not forget that every post analysis done by the media on what Gore wanted showed he would have lost anyway.  Seriously, get over it. We lost.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/RjaB3cxH-XE" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/RjaB3cxH-XE</a>

[WarriorDad]

Phew. I thought you were going to forget to point out faults on both sides. Good thing you dropped in that last sentence.

Where merited I will.  I'm not partisan like others are.  If my side is corrupt, say it. If the other side is corrupt, say it. 

For example, Brenda Snipes got in trouble back in May of this year when another Democrat sued her in the election against Debbie Wasserman Schulz.  That was Democrat vs Democrat election. Snipes is bad news.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fl-sb-broward-elections-supervisor-broke-law-snipes-canova-20180514-story.html

 Last night she and attorneys argued to keep votes in from non US citizens as official.  PDFs of transcripts were released in the last few hours. I'm sorry, but call me old school, that cannot be allowed to happen.  These are US elections, US citizens are the ones that need to be voting in them.

[rocket surgeon]

      " Looks like Scott should have fired her in 2016"


   you do realize that if scott were to even think about this, he would be a racist of course, have to enter into the federal witness protection plan...and miss the packer-dolphin game

[Babybluejeans]

Two rulings.  7 to 2.  5 to 4

7 to 2 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/dec/13/uselections2000.usa1

You’re a poor historian Cheekz. The 5-4 decision is the one that mattered because rather than provide a remedy to do a proper recount, the Court ended the whole thing altogether. It was overtly political and is commonly understood to be one of the worst-reasoned decisions in SCOTUS history (so much so that even SCOTUS itself limited the application of law to only that particular order, i.e. no stare decisis, which is unusual and betrayed an extraordinary lack of confidence in the soundness of its own decision). It was not a high-water mark for my Republican Party. Shameful, really.