So who’s head explodes if we lose to Depaul tonight?

[wisblue]

Actually, Wojo has met season expectations every year including this year. He hasn't exceeded them but he has met them. I don't know of anyone who would be fired for meeting their annual expectations every year....I think its actually funny that a college basketball coach is being held up as the pinnacle of job stability.

He may have met expectations each year as looked at from the beginning of each season. But I'm not sure he has met expectations for Season 4 compared to what might have been expected when he was hired, even recognizing that he was starting with a bare cupboard.

The expectations (and demands) should be going up pretty significantly next year. One more year of being on the bubble or worse and his seat will definitely be warm.

[KampusFoods]

He may have met expectations each year as looked at from the beginning of each season. But I'm not sure he has met expectations for Season 4 compared to what might have been expected when he was hired, even recognizing that he was starting with a bare cupboard.

The expectations (and demands) should be going up pretty significantly next year. One more year of being on the bubble or worse and his seat will definitely be warm.

Drink

[Daniel]

Harry had a great first game against DePaul when we dominated.  I am hoping he gets to play tonight and that our Trio is hot on 3s tonight.   We should win this one.  We will.  We are Marquette. 

Go Marquette!!

[skianth16]

Drink

Yes! +1

[BobWildLoyalist]

Actually, Wojo has met season expectations every year including this year. He hasn't exceeded them but he has met them. I don't know of anyone who would be fired for meeting their annual expectations every year....I think its actually funny that a college basketball coach is being held up as the pinnacle of job stability.

Finishing 7th is not my expectation...

[Its DJOver]

Finishing 7th is not my expectation...

I'll ask again, what were your expectations?  complaining just to complain, without any possibility of discussion reflects poorly.

[BobWildLoyalist]

5th or better. Beat GA in the non conference, dont lose to Depaul, learn to coach D, consistency, dont lose to Depaul, play MU brand of basketball. This team is not what we have built our brand on.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

He may have met expectations each year as looked at from the beginning of each season. But I'm not sure he has met expectations for Season 4 compared to what might have been expected when he was hired, even recognizing that he was starting with a bare cupboard.

The expectations (and demands) should be going up pretty significantly next year. One more year of being on the bubble or worse and his seat will definitely be warm.

I think year 4 was always supposed to be a step back because of who was graduating this year.

Agreed 100% with your second paragraph.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Finishing 7th is not my expectation...

Well, all the professionals in the business pegged us for 7th, you had higher expectations, nothing wrong with that.

5th or better. Beat GA in the non conference, dont lose to Depaul, learn to coach D, consistency, dont lose to Depaul, play MU brand of basketball. This team is not what we have built our brand on.

If we won one more game, we would have finished 3rd (nod to MUFINY). If that happened, would we have exceeded your expectations?

Beat UGA and DePaul is a silly thing to build season expectations on. Teams, good and bad, drop games they are supposed to win. As long as they also pick up wins they weren't supposed to (@Prov, @Hall, Hall, @Crei) then it balance out.

Learn to coach D is fair, our defense is unacceptably bad. I think a lot it has to do with roster construction (which is also on the coach). Its hard to be good at defense with two historically bad on ball defenders as 2/3 of your best players. Before Markus and Andrew got here, Marquette was actually better at defense then they were at offense per KenPom. If its a problem again next year, I will be very concerned.

Consistency? This is about as consistent of a team as you can hope for. We have only two bad losses but only two wins that I would say really stand out as surprises. For the most part we beat teams that we are better than and lose to teams we are worse than. There have been very few teams in college basketball who lose two games or less against teams that they should beat.

I don't know what "MU brand of basketball is." Every coach has had a very different style. Unless you mean "winning basketball" in which case I'll agree, there hasn't been enough for me to be satisfied, but I think its reasonable given the preseason expectations.

[Its DJOver]

5th or better. Beat GA in the non conference, dont lose to Depaul, learn to coach D, consistency, dont lose to Depaul, play MU brand of basketball. This team is not what we have built our brand on.

Ok. Tie for sixth is not very far out from fifth, but it's not fifth, so expectation not met, fair enough.  Beat GA, the Georgia game was on December 2, 2017, you did not post on this board until January 31st 2018, so I'm not convinced that the loss bothered you that much, yes looking back, its our second worse loss on the year, but if you weren't bothered enough to post for almost 2 months afterwards, then it couldn't have been to much of a deal breaker for the season. Don't lose to DePaul, agree that Wojo has far too many losses against DePaul in his tenure, however, one game cannot and should not dictate the success or failure of a season.  Learn to coach D, has been addressed pretty much all season that our D is very bad, partly can be attributed to the small guards we have, yes the roster is on Wojo, but both AR, and MH have proven to make up more on O than they give up on D, however that is just my opinion, you may disagree, fair enough.  Most are of the opinion that our D will be better going forward when we are bigger/more experienced, once again an opinion, you can certainly disagree.  Don't lose to DePaul, you said twice so I assume it is a major point for you, understandable.  Play MU brand of basketball.  This is the one that I don't quite understand, if you care to elaborate, I would be more than willing to have a discussion about it with you.  It sounds like, based on the expectations that you listed, that we are not very far off from meeting them.  I would assume that you, like most here will have increased expectations for next year.  If in a years time, we have't meet or exceeded our new expectations then a new discussion can be had.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Bob Wild hates Wojo, haven't seen him at a game recently. He's pissed.

I know you are being "hyperbolic"...but

Fr. Wild sits right by us.  He rarely misses a game in his seats.  And if he is not in his seats, I am sure he is in the MU Suite often raising money. 

He is a pure MU hoops fan in retirement, btw. His game emotions swing like any involved fan. One advantage sitting by him is my swearing is reduced.  The other is I have confessionals on demand.  (Btw, he loves Wojo).

College basketball is such a unique fan experience. Certainly, having priests as fans is a Big East asset. I have seen referees go up to Fr. Laurence for a blessing, Pat Driscoll sharing a beer with Fr. Kelly in Maui, oppising coaches at masses, etc. It's pretty damn cool to see as a fan even if you are not religious.

In other conferences, we see bag men instead of priests.

[LAZER]

I know you are being "hyperbolic"...but

Fr. Wild sits right by us.  He rarely misses a game in his seats.  And if he is not in his seats, I am sure he is in the MU Suite often raising money. 

He is a pure MU hoops fan in retirement, btw. His game emotions swing like any involved fan. One advantage sitting by him is my swearing is reduced.  The other is I have confessionals on demand.  (Btw, he loves Wojo).

College basketball is such a unique fan experience. Certainly, having priests as fans is a Big East asset. I have seen referees go up to Fr. Laurence for a blessing, Pat Driscoll sharing a beer with Fr. Kelly in Maui, oppising coaches at masses, etc. It's pretty damn cool to see as a fan even if you are not religious.

In other conferences, we see bag men instead of priests.

I might pump the brakes on the holier than thou attitude

[Galway Eagle]

5th or better. Beat GA in the non conference, dont lose to Depaul, learn to coach D, consistency, dont lose to Depaul, play MU brand of basketball. This team is not what we have built our brand on.

Buzz lost to depaul as well while having a roster fairly similar to this one actually during a season very similar to this one where we ironically needed to beat Villanova to lock ourselves into the tournament

[warriorchick]

If true, chickadee, he has a unique way of showing it.

You love glow. Have you ever accused him of being an "underwhelming" failure?

In any other marriage, he'd be gone!

Yeah, I was talking about the actual Bob Wild; the former president of the university.

Anyone who is a true "Bob Wild loyalist" would not be talking sh!t about Wojo.

[muguru]

Actually, Wojo has met season expectations every year including this year. He hasn't exceeded them but he has met them. I don't know of anyone who would be fired for meeting their annual expectations every year....I think its actually funny that a college basketball coach is being held up as the pinnacle of job stability.

Who's expectations?? It's okay to you that his signature moment in 4 years is a win against #1?? That is record vs the dregs of the league, is way worse than it should be?? That his teams have been nothing but inconsistent(never winning 3 BE games in a row even). How is any of that, okay??

[BobWildLoyalist]

Ok. Tie for sixth is not very far out from fifth, but it's not fifth, so expectation not met, fair enough.  Beat GA, the Georgia game was on December 2, 2017, you did not post on this board until January 31st 2018, so I'm not convinced that the loss bothered you that much, yes looking back, its our second worse loss on the year, but if you weren't bothered enough to post for almost 2 months afterwards, then it couldn't have been to much of a deal breaker for the season. Don't lose to DePaul, agree that Wojo has far too many losses against DePaul in his tenure, however, one game cannot and should not dictate the success or failure of a season.  Learn to coach D, has been addressed pretty much all season that our D is very bad, partly can be attributed to the small guards we have, yes the roster is on Wojo, but both AR, and MH have proven to make up more on O than they give up on D, however that is just my opinion, you may disagree, fair enough.  Most are of the opinion that our D will be better going forward when we are bigger/more experienced, once again an opinion, you can certainly disagree.  Don't lose to DePaul, you said twice so I assume it is a major point for you, understandable.  Play MU brand of basketball.  This is the one that I don't quite understand, if you care to elaborate, I would be more than willing to have a discussion about it with you.  It sounds like, based on the expectations that you listed, that we are not very far off from meeting them.  I would assume that you, like most here will have increased expectations for next year.  If in a years time, we have't meet or exceeded our new expectations then a new discussion can be had.

Wojo has never won 3 conference games in a row ::drops mic::

[Its DJOver]

Wojo has never won 3 conference games in a row ::drops mic::

You're absolutely right, however based on your responses it seems like you don't really want to discuss the team or the future at all.  If we win tonight, will your mic drop be preceded by Wojo has never won 4 conference games in a row.  Despite what you may think, I'm not just trolling you, I'm actually trying to have a discussion about the team.  Buzz never beat the #1 ranked team in the country, Crean had the best post Al class and couldn't make it to the second weekend with them in three attempts.  All coaches have struggles, all have shortcomings, you seem fixated on these, and not the successes that they also experience.

[GGGG]

Who's expectations?? It's okay to you that his signature moment in 4 years is a win against #1?? That is record vs the dregs of the league, is way worse than it should be?? That his teams have been nothing but inconsistent(never winning 3 BE games in a row even). How is any of that, okay??

Because of the direction of the program.

[Bad_Reporter]

It's the big east tournament. We really expect to win tonight?  Hopefully we do, and I think we will

Question,  when was the last time MU has won more then 1 game in the BEAST tourney?

[1SE]

Me. My head will explode if we lose twice to DePaul in the same season.

Please boys, don't let that happen.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Who's expectations?? It's okay to you that his signature moment in 4 years is a win against #1?? That is record vs the dregs of the league, is way worse than it should be?? That his teams have been nothing but inconsistent(never winning 3 BE games in a row even). How is any of that, okay??

The expectations of the golden power point:

Year 1: Field a team
Year 2: Get Better
Year 3: Make the NCAA
Year 4: Weather the graduations,  still make the postseason
Year 5: High NCAA seed
Year 6: Compete for BEast crown,  legitimate final four contender
Year 7+: Sustained success

So it was written. So it shall be

[Galway Eagle]

The expectations of the golden power point:

Year 1: Field a team
Year 2: Get Better
Year 3: Make the NCAA
Year 4: Weather the graduations,  still make the postseason
Year 5: High NCAA seed
Year 6: Compete for BEast crown,  legitimate final four contender
Year 7+: Sustained success

So it was written. So it shall be

in all fairness wojo did go on record saying if he'd known Henry was gonna be there they'd have scheduled differently so I think he knew the expectation for that year had changed. Still mad that we weren't at least in the NIT.

[GooooMarquette]

Wojo has never won 3 conference games in a row ::drops mic::

Oh thank god....

[mileskishnish72]

Actually, Wojo has met season expectations every year including this year. He hasn't exceeded them but he has met them.

How can you assert that so definitively? Not trying to be a wiseass. Whose expectations? Were there criteria set by the university? Different people have differing expectations, and some of the discourse would indicate that he has not met with the expectations of some. If you are referring to your own expectations that should be included in the comment.

[muguru]

How can you assert that so definitively? Not trying to be a wiseass. Whose expectations? Were there criteria set by the university? Different people have differing expectations, and some of the discourse would indicate that he has not met with the expectations of some. If you are referring to your own expectations that should be included in the comment.

This is it exactly...my problem with those of us that have higher expectations, get blasted and are told "our expectations are too high". Who says?? The crowd that doesn't have as high of expectations?? It's not like those of us with higher expectations have said he needed to win a national Championship already, so they can't cite that our expectations are unrealistic...they aren't, far from it. Perhaps it's just because those that are satisfied to this point, just don't care all that much....or...they are the type that always think they are the smartest people in the room...they know who they are.