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Re: NM
« Reply #11375 on: July 15, 2022, 07:45:02 AM »
I didn't, Lenny did.  Airline prices aren't down down because they added baggage fees, etc.  They're down because of a global pandemic.

My point is that you see BMW doing this now, and you don't think that the other car manufacturers will follow suit?  If it adds to the stock price and there is no measurable push back... and with subscription services there usually isn't because after a month or two people forget about them... then you better believe that others will do the same.

The other manufacturers won't follow suit unless it's a success for BMW. Or they may use the fact that they don't charge as a marketing tool, like Southwest does with bag fees.

Not to mention that it gives rich guys another way to humblebrag. "Can you believe that BMW is charging me extra for heated seats? *sigh* Guess I gotta pay it." 
Have some patience, FFS.

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« Reply #11376 on: July 15, 2022, 08:03:39 AM »
I didn't, Lenny did.  Airline prices aren't down down because they added baggage fees, etc.  They're down because of a global pandemic.

My point is that you see BMW doing this now, and you don't think that the other car manufacturers will follow suit?  If it adds to the stock price and there is no measurable push back... and with subscription services there usually isn't because after a month or two people forget about them... then you better believe that others will do the same.

OnStar has been offered since 1996 with over 7 million users/subscribers and with over one million paying wifi subscribers. This is morphing into GM Connected Services with over 22 million vehicles. It's over a $2 billion business. You act like this is new for vehicles?

I heard no one would pay $1 to download a song to an iPod too when it's free on Napster.

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« Reply #11377 on: July 15, 2022, 08:04:04 AM »
The other manufacturers won't follow suit unless it's a success for BMW. Or they may use the fact that they don't charge as a marketing tool, like Southwest does with bag fees.

Not to mention that it gives rich guys another way to humblebrag. "Can you believe that BMW is charging me extra for heated seats? *sigh* Guess I gotta pay it."

I mean, Tesla does something similar with their dangerously named "autopilot" subscription.

When it starts getting cold out subscriptions will inevitably increase.   Personally, I think it is absolute dog crap to arbitrarily lock hardware functionality behind a paywall. 

Hopefully, the invisible hand of the market takes care of this, but I have my doubts.

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« Reply #11378 on: July 15, 2022, 08:06:14 AM »
OnStar has been offered since 1996 with over 7 million users/subscribers and with over one million paying wifi subscribers. This is morphing into GM Connected Services with over 22 million vehicles. It's over a $2 billion business. You act like this is new for vehicles?

I heard no one would pay $1 to download a song to an iPod too when it's free on Napster.

OnStar is a service.  There are people and logistics involved running the service.  Flipping a switch over the internet for hardware that exists in an automobile is a far different thing.

I never said it was new or surprising, in fact, I said it would only increase from here. 

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« Reply #11379 on: July 15, 2022, 08:27:52 AM »
The other manufacturers won't follow suit unless it's a success for BMW. ..


Bzzzt.  The correct answer is that all manufacturers will follow suit because then the consumer has no choice but to hand over more money.

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« Reply #11380 on: July 15, 2022, 08:50:10 AM »
OnStar is a service.  There are people and logistics involved running the service.  Flipping a switch over the internet for hardware that exists in an automobile is a far different thing.

I never said it was new or surprising, in fact, I said it would only increase from here.

I was making the same point that deactivating hardware that is already installed and then charging a monthly fee to reactivate it is fundamentally different than charging a monthly fee for a service. I'm not saying it's surprising, but it is different.

To Chick's point, I'll resist buying a car that requires a subscription to use pre-installed features it as long as there are other reasonable options. I soured on BMW years ago when shopping for my first "grown up" car because I felt that their pricing model "nickeled and dimed" me too much. Amazingly, they somehow survived without me as a customer. I suspect they will again.
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« Reply #11381 on: July 15, 2022, 08:54:00 AM »
Capitalism.
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« Reply #11382 on: July 15, 2022, 10:55:28 PM »
Maybe all features get hacked
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« Reply #11383 on: July 16, 2022, 12:09:17 PM »
I'll just wait until people are selling jailbroken BMWs on facebook marketplace
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« Reply #11384 on: July 17, 2022, 06:29:24 PM »
Screw seat heaters .. this is what I want now.

The (last half) of the video is worth the watch.  Dude fires it up on I-94 in Chicago.

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« Reply #11385 on: July 17, 2022, 06:38:18 PM »
Screw seat heaters .. this is what I want now.

The (last half) of the video is worth the watch.  Dude fires it up on I-94 in Chicago.

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« Reply #11386 on: July 18, 2022, 05:09:15 AM »
Flux Capacitor 2022

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« Reply #11387 on: July 18, 2022, 10:13:29 AM »
Anyone else a member of the Cult of Depot Dogs?

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« Reply #11388 on: July 20, 2022, 05:38:21 PM »
This is so awesome.


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« Reply #11389 on: July 20, 2022, 08:00:07 PM »
This is so awesome.



Put this in the Louvre.

At the risk of losing my Milwaukee card, who is the bottom right?

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« Reply #11390 on: July 20, 2022, 08:13:20 PM »
Put this in the Louvre.

At the risk of losing my Milwaukee card, who is the bottom right?

Pretty sure it's the pepperoni canolli guy.
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« Reply #11391 on: July 20, 2022, 08:19:13 PM »
Put this in the Louvre.

At the risk of losing my Milwaukee card, who is the bottom right?

I mean maybe I'm showing my age but I don't know any of the bottom 3

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« Reply #11392 on: July 20, 2022, 08:32:44 PM »
Ummm bottom right is Pepperoni- cannoli guy

I don’t know the bare chested gentleman though. 

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« Reply #11393 on: July 20, 2022, 08:59:36 PM »
Ummm bottom right is Pepperoni- cannoli guy

I don’t know the bare chested gentleman though.

Dick Bacon.
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« Reply #11394 on: July 20, 2022, 09:00:30 PM »
Shirtless guy = Milverene
https://video.vice.com/en_us/video/wisconsin-legend-milverine-has-never-left-milwaukee/5e222a1c8caeea215816d916

Towel guy = Dick Bacon
Cooler guy = Peperoni Cannoli guy

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« Reply #11395 on: July 20, 2022, 09:00:54 PM »
Ummm bottom right is Pepperoni- cannoli guy

I don’t know the bare chested gentleman though.

Or Milverine...both bare chested. Milverine on the left, Bacon is bottom center.
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« Reply #11396 on: July 20, 2022, 10:19:47 PM »
Shirtless guy = Milverene
https://video.vice.com/en_us/video/wisconsin-legend-milverine-has-never-left-milwaukee/5e222a1c8caeea215816d916

Towel guy = Dick Bacon
Cooler guy = Peperoni Cannoli guy

My god that video is....something.  The Hitler stache was a nice touch.

Honestly, of all the absolutely absurd things he said in it...the most absurd was how bad that Freeway Bobblehead was.

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« Reply #11397 on: July 21, 2022, 06:45:22 AM »
We have the Milverine bobble. I think it's the only one my wife owns.
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« Reply #11398 on: July 26, 2022, 10:18:04 AM »
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