Wojo's Leash

[brewcity77]

Oh STFU with bumping this today. We lost to two top-10 teams this week. If this team finishes 8-10 or better in league this year, it's a success. Wojo's doing fine.

[tower912]

So with a bit of a body of work now where are we at?  Non-con overall above expectations, conference play about at expectations (1 for 3 on big time scalps, but offset by fact we should have beat SH or Gtown - and neither a bad team, but SH a very bad loss) - if we run out the season on this trajectory (but I would say more downside than upside risk at this point) we are NIT and Wojo won't have wowed us but not terribly disappointed us either.  I know nothing short of a 12 game losing streak to end the season could disappoint Tower (or would even that?) but everyone else?

I predicted 17 wins for this team.  So far, this team as exceeded my expectations.  I don't believe that a team so heavily reliant on freshmen can be expected to be any kind of consistent.   I don't believe that parts of the growth process can be skipped.   Young players need to learn how to compete at much higher levels than they are accustomed to.    Xavier had a whole bunch of 22-23 year olds facing a whole bunch of 18-19-20 year olds.    Size (vertical and horizontal) matters and so does experience.     More than anything, I am patient.

[WarriorPride68]

More or less, people on Scoop are getting restless. Haven't missed the tourney 3 straight years since the 4 year stretch in Deane's last 2 years & Creans first 2 years (1997/98 - 2001/02)

This team has talent & will come around. The plan is in place.

[Dawson Rental]

So with a bit of a body of work now where are we at?  Non-con overall above expectations, conference play about at expectations (1 for 3 on big time scalps, but offset by fact we should have beat SH or Gtown - and neither a bad team, but SH a very bad loss) - if we run out the season on this trajectory (but I would say more downside than upside risk at this point) we are NIT and Wojo won't have wowed us but not terribly disappointed us either. I know nothing short of a 12 game losing streak to end the season could disappoint Tower (or would even that?) but everyone else?

I'd be careful what I said about Georgetown.  They started off the year poorly, but IMO they have the most talented roster of any team in the Big East.

I'd be disappointed by a loss to Stetson, at St Johns or in either of the DePaul games.  Other than that, we're playing five teams that are better than us, and have three games left with two teams that (hopefully) are roughly on our level.  18 wins, 7-11 in conference would be a solid season from my point of view.

MU beating out Seton Hall and Creighton for sixth in the Big East and making the NCAA tournament is my absolute ceiling prediction, and would leave me ecstatic.

[GGGG]

So with a bit of a body of work now where are we at?  Non-con overall above expectations, conference play about at expectations (1 for 3 on big time scalps, but offset by fact we should have beat SH or Gtown - and neither a bad team, but SH a very bad loss) - if we run out the season on this trajectory (but I would say more downside than upside risk at this point) we are NIT and Wojo won't have wowed us but not terribly disappointed us either.  I know nothing short of a 12 game losing streak to end the season could disappoint Tower (or would even that?) but everyone else? 

To answer your question, he doesn't have a short leash.  They just signed him to an extension.

My goodness, they just lost to two top ten teams in back to back games.  What exactly were you expecting?

[warriorchick]

To answer your question, he doesn't have a short leash.  They just signed him to an extension.

My goodness, they just lost to two top ten teams in back to back games.  What exactly were you expecting?

My guess is that the people who are bitching on this thread are the same morons who said in a thread awhile back that any Marquette basketball team who doesn't win the NCAA tournament doesn't deserve an "A" for their performance in a given year.

[Herman Cain]

So with a bit of a body of work now where are we at?  Non-con overall above expectations, conference play about at expectations (1 for 3 on big time scalps, but offset by fact we should have beat SH or Gtown - and neither a bad team, but SH a very bad loss) - if we run out the season on this trajectory (but I would say more downside than upside risk at this point) we are NIT and Wojo won't have wowed us but not terribly disappointed us either.  I know nothing short of a 12 game losing streak to end the season could disappoint Tower (or would even that?) but everyone else?

My position on this earlier in this thread was to give Wojo a mulligan for the non conference and set an expectation of him to go 9-9 in conference to stay off hot seat. Since then the school extended his contract so he doesn't have to worry about being on hot seat. However, my expectation is still the same. He needs to show .500 in conference. There are 4 strong teams in the conference, so realistically we are playing to be the top dog of the next 6 or at worst 2nd in order to get to 9-9.  We have the talent relative to the rest of the league to achieve this with the right coaching leadership.

[MU82]

I say dey shoulda fired da bum after losing by 8 to the No. 6 team in da nation!

[warriorfan 14]

time for wojo to start feeling some heat. guy can't coach. losing to depaul means just making the NIT will be a struggle. poor performances in front of the home crowds. little improvement. another disappointing season. as a longtime mu fan i'm very disappointed in this staff and am tired of this team being the whipping boy in the big east. this program is better than that

[Shark]

time for wojo to start feeling some heat. guy can't coach. losing to depaul means just making the NIT will be a struggle. poor performances in front of the home crowds. little improvement. another disappointing season. as a longtime mu fan i'm very disappointed in this staff and am tired of this team being the whipping boy in the big east. this program is better than that

I wanna tell you to relax but I just want to yell at the top of my lungs after watching that game.

[willie warrior]

time for wojo to start feeling some heat. guy can't coach. losing to depaul means just making the NIT will be a struggle. poor performances in front of the home crowds. little improvement. another disappointing season. as a longtime mu fan i'm very disappointed in this staff and am tired of this team being the whipping boy in the big east. this program is better than that

So is the talent. But Wojo got a longer leash from MU by the extension. This game was a good judge of the state of the program.

[MomofMUltiples]

Nothing to see here, people.  Move along.

[LAZER]

So is the talent. But Wojo got a longer leash from MU by the extension. This game was a good judge of the state of the program.

That extension means nothing.

[NCMUFan]

Gnaw that leash off Wojo and run for the woods.

[willie warrior]

That extension means nothing.

It sure as hell does if he doesn't get the job done. More coin will be paid out!!!!!!

[LAZER]

It sure as hell does if he doesn't get the job done. More coin will be paid out!!!!!!

True, but it won't prevent them from doing anything.

[1SE]

To answer your question, he doesn't have a short leash.  They just signed him to an extension.

My goodness, they just lost to two top ten teams in back to back games.  What exactly were you expecting?

To beat DePaul at home. 

[crazyfannyboy54]

In October coach Wojo told me directly this season would be better. For season ticket holders and casual fans in this really better?? just asking..

[1SE]

Wojo should take away his MU gear until he can start to win some games.  And he should take a pay cut - if he wants to get paid like a top-20 coach he needs to coach like a top-20 coach.

[WarriorPride68]

Wojo should take away his MU gear until he can start to win some games.  And he should take a pay cut - if he wants to get paid like a top-20 coach he needs to coach like a top-20 coach.

He's getting that much money!?

[1SE]

He's getting that much money!?

I don't think terms have been made public (certainly on extension but maybe even on original?) but Buzz was making 2.8 mil - which was top ten.  I think the rumor is that Wojo is around 2 mil all told - which would have him in the top-20 ballpark.  But someone with inside info can correct me if I'm wrong

[WarriorPride68]

I don't think terms have been made public (certainly on extension but maybe even on original?) but Buzz was making 2.8 mil - which was top ten.  I think the rumor is that Wojo is around 2 mil all told - which would have him in the top-20 ballpark.  But someone with inside info can correct me if I'm wrong

Appreciate the insight. Wojo making serious dough

[willie warrior]

More or less, people on Scoop are getting restless. Haven't missed the tourney 3 straight years since the 4 year stretch in Deane's last 2 years & Creans first 2 years (1997/98 - 2001/02)

This team has talent & will come around. The plan is in place.

Whatever the plan is, it needs to come out of the place and show something. Right now, it has shown little. Recruiting talent, a good thing, but not developing the talent to win games against good competition.

[GGGG]

I don't think terms have been made public (certainly on extension but maybe even on original?) but Buzz was making 2.8 mil - which was top ten.  I think the rumor is that Wojo is around 2 mil all told - which would have him in the top-20 ballpark.  But someone with inside info can correct me if I'm wrong

Next year's tax returns will provide details.  Until then we are just guessing.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

In October coach Wojo told me directly this season would be better. For season ticket holders and casual fans in this really better?? just asking..

If you don't think this season is better than last season, you have blocked last season out of your memory. Which I don't blame you for.