Recruiting as of 5/15/25

[muwarrior69]

I've seen and heard nothing that leads me to believe that Marquette is in trouble moving forward. Some football programs are going to be in a really tough spot. Mid and low majors are going to have a lot less opportunities in basketball and some may even be removed from D1 altogether. The top 8-10 leagues in basketball will be just fine.

So the scholarships offered by those schools not in the top 8-10 leagues will disappear? What happens to the kid who is a good student and a decent basketball player but is actually going to school to become an engineer, perhaps a lawyer or vet; maybe a teacher. I assume most D1 scholarships pay for the athlete to actually get an education. No?

With the cost of a college education out of reach for many families and only going higher and if what you say will come to pass then this is all heading in the wrong direction if this country wants a highly educated population.

[The Sultan]

So the scholarships offered by those schools not in the top 8-10 leagues will disappear? What happens to the kid who is a good student and a decent basketball player but is actually going to school to become an engineer, perhaps a lawyer or vet; maybe a teacher. I assume most D1 scholarships pay for the athlete to actually get an education. No?

With the cost of a college education out of reach for many families and only going higher and if what you say will come to pass then this is all heading in the wrong direction if this country wants a highly educated population.

A few basketball scholarships isn't going to fix this.

[muwarrior69]

A few basketball scholarships isn't going to fix this.

I agree, but tell that to the kid who lost his Scholarship.

[WhiteTrash]

There are capped salaries. A school can't provide more than tuition and associated costs. NIL is not salary, it comes from outside the university. There's no cap on professional NIL money either.

There is a commissioner and league office. It's different from a professional one but it does exist.

It's not compete freedom of player movement. Players can only play for one team per season and they only get one free transfer. But yes, it's essentially like every player is on a one year contact until their first transfer.

With all due respect; is your first point intended to be in teal?

Not trying to be jerky here, so I won't personally point out the why what you said is not 100% correct. I'd encourage you to look into what is actually happening in these sports with recruiting and NIL. You clearly understand the NCAA guidance on the issues, but the actual reality is far different and totally unregulated.
I do agree, and never said otherwise, that other pro sports have un-capped NIL.

Also, who is the commissioner of NCAA D1 football?

As for player movement, I stand corrected. There are some restrictions but far less than the other pro sports.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

TAMU,

Love your posts and knowledge but NIL supported by the university (despite not  being directly paid by the university) is just like a salary and used as an enticement to come to school. University alumni and friends of the University are paying the additional costs now but Universities are smartly directing it.  This is for nothing but attendance. The kids have zero marketability, especially prior to playing games and likely none afterwards as well.

You can rationalize it all you want. These teenagers have zero effect on a business enterprise.   Its an uncapped salary situation and will only get more salary like as the years go on.  I'm glad MU is paying these kids a salary through NIL (yeah, yeah it's a not for profit).  Hopefully they will continue to raise their salaries and we will continue to have a viable basketball program.

With all due respect; is your first point intended to be in teal?

Not trying to be jerky here, so I won't personally point out the why what you said is not 100% correct. I'd encourage you to look into what is actually happening in these sports with recruiting and NIL. You clearly understand the NCAA guidance on the issues, but the actual reality is far different and totally unregulated.
I do agree, and never said otherwise, that other pro sports have un-capped NIL.

I'm well aware of how NIL is being used. It's not being used as salary which by definition must come from an employer and go to an employee. NIL is being used as a recruitment tool which is not unique to college athletics. When a professional team is courting a free agent, part of the package that they try to entice them with is convincing them that they will make more in endorsements if they sign with their team and there is no cap on those endorsements. The difference between the pros and college is that the "salary cap" in college is so low that NIL is a much bigger consideration for college players than it is for professional players. It's a lot easier to forgo extra money in endorsements for the chance to play for a championship when you are already making several millions a year. Harder to do that when you get about 10k-150k in value (but not money) a year in "salary".

You presented uncapped NIL as unique to college sports. It's not. What is unique to college sports is how low the salary cap is for a sport that generates so much income and interest.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

So the scholarships offered by those schools not in the top 8-10 leagues will disappear? What happens to the kid who is a good student and a decent basketball player but is actually going to school to become an engineer, perhaps a lawyer or vet; maybe a teacher. I assume most D1 scholarships pay for the athlete to actually get an education. No?

With the cost of a college education out of reach for many families and only going higher and if what you say will come to pass then this is all heading in the wrong direction if this country wants a highly educated population.

I didn't say it was a good thing. Just what I think will happen.

I also don't know that these scholarships will disappear. I think it is more likely that the NCAAT is restructured so that mid and low majors than get a much smaller slice of the pie than it is that they are kicked out of D1. And if they are kicked out of D1, I think it is more likely that a new division will form, a D1a and leave those schools in D1b which theoretically wouldn't remove scholarships. Even if they were kicked out entirely, they would likely move to D2 which still offers scholarships, just not full scholarships.

[Uncle Rico]

Conferences won't matter. It'll be the biggest football schools combining for the maximum amount of dollars. Traditions, conferences, and rivalries won't matter. B10 schools won't be interested in including Vandy, SEC schools won't be interested in including Northwestern, Texas schools won't be interested in Duke/Wake, and so on. Kind of like the European Super League.

I'll wager that Northwestern and Vandy aren't kicked out of the Big Ten or SEC.  The only way they don't stay in those conferences is if they voluntarily leave. 

[Shooter McGavin]

I'm well aware of how NIL is being used. It's not being used as salary which by definition must come from an employer and go to an employee. NIL is being used as a recruitment tool which is not unique to college athletics. When a professional team is courting a free agent, part of the package that they try to entice them with is convincing them that they will make more in endorsements if they sign with their team and there is no cap on those endorsements. The difference between the pros and college is that the "salary cap" in college is so low that NIL is a much bigger consideration for college players than it is for professional players. It's a lot easier to forgo extra money in endorsements for the chance to play for a championship when you are already making several millions a year. Harder to do that when you get about 10k-150k in value (but not money) a year in "salary".

Recruits and their parents will ask the head coach directly how much NIL dollars they can guarantee as part of the recruiting process.  This isn't a theoretical question anymore.  The recruits need to know this before making a decision. The best programs will guarantee the money so that person will play for their school.

Real NIL is what you espouse.  Reality NIL is a guaranteed salary, benefit, payment up front (whatever you want to call it). 

[Uncle Rico]

Recruits and their parents will ask the head coach directly how much NIL dollars they can guarantee as part of the recruiting process.  This isn't a theoretical question anymore.  The recruits need to know this before making a decision. The best programs will guarantee the money so that person will play for their school.

Real NIL is what you espouse.  Reality NIL is a guaranteed salary, benefit, payment up front (whatever you want to call it).

Not trying to be a jag here, but the reality is, this isn't different than before.  It's just above board now. 

Keep shoe companies in mind here as well.  For basketball, they'll still nudge kids to schools they're affiliated with and probably NIL them in doing so.  Elite talent is still going to end up at the Dukes of the world. 

There has always been a gap.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Recruits and their parents will ask the head coach directly how much NIL dollars they can guarantee as part of the recruiting process.  This isn't a theoretical question anymore.  The recruits need to know this before making a decision. The best programs will guarantee the money so that person will play for their school.

Real NIL is what you espouse.  Reality NIL is a guaranteed salary, benefit, payment up front (whatever you want to call it).

The same thing happens at the professional level. It's not unique. The low salary is what is unique to college sports.

And as Rico points out, this was always happening. It's just in the daylight now and everyone is doing it instead of just the elites.

[muwarrior69]

The same thing happens at the professional level. It's not unique. The low salary is what is unique to college sports.

And as Rico points out, this was always happening. It's just in the daylight now and everyone is doing it instead of just the elites.

So when they sign their LOI they will also sign their NIL "contract"?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

So when they sign their LOI they will also sign their NIL "contract"?

Usually not

[The Equalizer]

I didn't say it was a good thing. Just what I think will happen.

I also don't know that these scholarships will disappear. I think it is more likely that the NCAAT is restructured so that mid and low majors than get a much smaller slice of the pie than it is that they are kicked out of D1. And if they are kicked out of D1, I think it is more likely that a new division will form, a D1a and leave those schools in D1b which theoretically wouldn't remove scholarships. Even if they were kicked out entirely, they would likely move to D2 which still offers scholarships, just not full scholarships.

This is what the NCAA will propose to keep the big boys from leaving.

Not said is whether the big boys will find this approach attractive enough to avoid creating a competing association, and taking 100% of a much larger pie for themselves. 

[WhiteTrash]

I'm well aware of how NIL is being used. It's not being used as salary which by definition must come from an employer and go to an employee. NIL is being used as a recruitment tool which is not unique to college athletics. When a professional team is courting a free agent, part of the package that they try to entice them with is convincing them that they will make more in endorsements if they sign with their team and there is no cap on those endorsements. The difference between the pros and college is that the "salary cap" in college is so low that NIL is a much bigger consideration for college players than it is for professional players. It's a lot easier to forgo extra money in endorsements for the chance to play for a championship when you are already making several millions a year. Harder to do that when you get about 10k-150k in value (but not money) a year in "salary".

You presented uncapped NIL as unique to college sports. It's not. What is unique to college sports is how low the salary cap is for a sport that generates so much income and interest.

I think the highlighted assertion above is where you differ from the reality of college sports. I think you are in a significant minority that doesn't think college sports is pro sports. Or maybe you do and use "pro" and "college" as an old school differentiator of pro teams tied to schools and those that are not.

Regardless, you make good points. I will point out that college players are compensated at a higher level (without NIL) than some secondary pro sports. But comparing basketball tied to colleges and NBA, the NIL becomes the major delta as you pointed out.

[jfp61]

Broke money dont make money

[Dr. Blackheart]

Broke money dont make money

Signed,
Marquette Football

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Regardless, you make good points. I will point out that college players are compensated at a higher level (without NIL) than some secondary pro sports. But comparing basketball tied to colleges and NBA, the NIL becomes the major delta as you pointed out.

They do make more than secondary pro sports but that's why I added the "that generate that much income and interest" qualifier. College sports is a unique beast

[The Sultan]

I agree, but tell that to the kid who lost his Scholarship.

No one is going to lose a scholarship unless it's for basketball reasons.

[jfp61]

No D1 college basketball player is going to college for the college education, unless they are wicked smart ahead of time. You can't have a "great" major as a college basketball player without high amounts of incoming credits. Coaches wont allow it.

Its amazing how many fans don't know this.

[withoutbias]

No D1 college basketball player is going to college for the college education, unless they are wicked smart ahead of time. You can't have a "great" major as a college basketball player without high amounts of incoming credits. Coaches wont allow it.

Its amazing how many fans don't know this.

Coaches will allow players to major in whatever they want. The resources these kids get are plentiful. And almost all of them take summer courses. So while they take fewer credits than an "average" student in the spring and fall semesters, they're taking up to 12 credits in the summer when "average" students are taking 0.

[Newsdreams]

Signed,
Marquette Football

One of 2 major mistakes made by MU.

[tower912]

One of 2 major mistakes made by MU.

Yup.   Should have kept the medical school and dumped the dental school.   

[WhiteTrash]

No D1 college basketball player is going to college for the college education, unless they are wicked smart ahead of time. You can't have a "great" major as a college basketball player without high amounts of incoming credits. Coaches wont allow it.

Its amazing how many fans don't know this.

I think you meant to say, "except at Wisconsin - Madison".

[Herman Cain]

Yup.   Should have kept the medical school and dumped the dental school.

If we kept the Medical School would have had a shot at Aaron Craft
https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/craft-returns-to-ohio-state-for-medical-school/

[jfp61]

Coaches will allow players to major in whatever they want. The resources these kids get are plentiful. And almost all of them take summer courses. So while they take fewer credits than an "average" student in the spring and fall semesters, they're taking up to 12 credits in the summer when "average" students are taking 0.

This just isnt true for most schools. Exceptions exist for like Vanderbilt and Georgia Tech, but you won't see any players enroll in engineering or nursing for a reason. It just isn't feasible. They don't "innately" restrict students, they just tell them that the time allotted for that major won't work with our team.

Also if you have D1 athletes in your family, just ask them. Theyll tell you.