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We R Final Four

Quote from: DoctorV on March 08, 2022, 06:15:30 PM
How many times you think someone has told him the skyys the limit?

It seems like Shaka is sniffing around a lot of PGs, I hope that doesn't mean that the ship has sailed for the top 50 pg from Illinois that's visited a few times, his recruitment was looking solid a month or two ago
Yes—good point—-what does this sayvif anything regarding Dai Dai?

DoctorV

Quote from: We R Final Four on March 08, 2022, 08:40:58 PM
Yes—good point—-what does this sayvif anything regarding Dai Dai?

Maybe it says that tomorrow dawns a new Dai, and the skyys the limit?

avid1010

The very little I read about Skyy made it sound like he was recruited over and had some competition remaining at KY that he didn't want to deal with.  I thought it mentioned his ranking had dropped.

I liked the Painter video...the things I've seen from him making sure players are a fit (personality tests, work-ethic, character, etc.) for his program are admirable. 

PJDunn

The Painter video is great. What a great coach and great ambassador for a university. Methinks we have one of those in Shaka as well. Back to recruiting...can we get a Zach Edey clone? We could use some heavy feet.

jfp61

Quote from: avid1010 on March 08, 2022, 09:28:46 PM
The very little I read about Skyy made it sound like he was recruited over and had some competition remaining at KY that he didn't want to deal with.  I thought it mentioned his ranking had dropped.

I liked the Painter video...the things I've seen from him making sure players are a fit (personality tests, work-ethic, character, etc.) for his program are admirable.

He was out for like a year. Only real reason his ranking dropped. But Cal did recruit over him getting Wallace, Sharpe (if he cant leave), and my guess is Wheeler will be back.

GoldenEagles03

Quote from: jfp61 on March 08, 2022, 07:39:52 PM
Trust me.... if its a big east school it is butler. One, he visited one school, Butler. Two, Butler has the same staff that recruited him initially. Three, and using your logic, his most recent follows on instagram are the entire Butler team including Butler's strength coach, a manager, and multiple players.

If you are going to look at former recruits.. look at former recruits of Shaka Smart not Marquette University

Does anyone in here read anything?

I'm not saying he's likely to go to Marquette, or unlikely to go to Butler.  You said he has no connection to the current staff and I simply noted that he obviously does. Coach Haynes.
VIOLENCE!

jfp61

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 08, 2022, 10:27:52 PM
Does anyone in here read anything?

I'm not saying he's likely to go to Marquette, or unlikely to go to Butler.  You said he has no connection to the current staff and I simply noted that he obviously does. Coach Haynes.
No one reads anything.  Im sure he knows Haynes, but Haynes left michigan before he signed and wasn't his attributed to be his primary recruiter. This is a lot of talk for a recruit who is not actively linked to marquette. Especially when it seems like he might be softly committed to another big east school.

There are no active offers for 2022 despite the interest in Theiro and Clark. My guess is they will wait for transfers. Probably look for a 4 to replace Justin at this point and one other senior. They like a lot of 2023 recruits.

Newsdreams

Quote from: onepostames on March 08, 2022, 11:01:17 AM
As a board that psycho-analyzes EVERY little thing, we're really not gonna discuss Justin Lewis commenting "Don't Leave Me" on a Greg Elliott Senior Day appreciation post?  Lending credence to him possibly staying another year?

Or because it's not some damning evidence that he's guaranteed to leave we just don't bother.
JFL wants GE to enter draft with him and hire same agent, they gowne!!
Goal is National Championship
CBP profile my people who landed here over 100 yrs before Mayflower. Most I've had to deal with are ignorant & low IQ.
Can't believe we're living in the land of F 452/1984/Animal Farm/Brave New World/Handmaid's Tale. When travel to Mars begins, expect Starship Troopers

jfp61

Quote from: Newsdreams on March 09, 2022, 07:02:55 AM
JFL wants GE to enter draft with him and hire same agent, they gowne!!

JFL goes to the nba. GE goes to another school for a one year grad program. One person still leaves another.

jfp61


wadesworld

Give me all the one and dones we can get.  Talent wins, and we don't have close to enough.

Juan Anderson's Mixtape

Quote from: BLM on March 10, 2022, 03:18:30 PM
Give me all the one and dones we can get.  Talent wins, and we don't have close to enough.

Minimum 2 starters needed from the transfer portal.

Stretchdeltsig

Quote from: BLM on March 10, 2022, 03:18:30 PM
Give me all the one and dones we can get.  Talent wins, and we don't have close to enough.

Talent wins but chemistry is the key to success. There's no room for selfishness. Too many "one and dones" aren't good team players. Shaka seems to be good at finding grad transfers who fulfill a need and leadership on the team well. They are the best "one and dones."

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on March 11, 2022, 08:19:26 AM
Talent wins but chemistry is the key to success. There's no room for selfishness. Too many "one and dones" aren't good team players. Shaka seems to be good at finding grad transfers who fulfill a need and leadership on the team well. They are the best "one and dones."

The eyes just rolled out of the back of my head.  Know any optometrists?
Guster is for Lovers

wadesworld

Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on March 11, 2022, 08:19:26 AM
Talent wins but chemistry is the key to success. There's no room for selfishness. Too many "one and dones" aren't good team players. Shaka seems to be good at finding grad transfers who fulfill a need and leadership on the team well. They are the best "one and dones."

::)

The projected 1 and dones in the lottery go to:

Auburn (possible 1 seed)
Gonzaga (guaranteed 1 seed)
Duke x2 (2 or 3 seed)
Kentucky x2 (1 or 2 seed)
Memphis (bubble)
Baylor (probably 2 seed)

Again, get me talent.  I don't need a group of guys that sing kumbaya together every night.  I need guys who win basketball games.  High level talent does that.

brewcity77

Quote from: BLM on March 11, 2022, 08:27:28 AM
::)

The projected 1 and dones in the lottery go to:

Auburn (possible 1 seed)
Gonzaga (guaranteed 1 seed)
Duke x2 (2 or 3 seed)
Kentucky x2 (1 or 2 seed)
Memphis (bubble)
Baylor (probably 2 seed)

Again, get me talent.  I don't need a group of guys that sing kumbaya together every night.  I need guys who win basketball games.  High level talent does that.

The shortest tenured coach for any of those 1/2 seeds is 8 years. I agree that getting top talent helps, but I would prefer to see this staff build their culture first. Bring one and done talent to a team with guys like Oso, Kolek, Stevie, O-Max, and Kam as juniors and seniors who have the system, experience, and leadership track record and I'm all about it.

When you strictly go for talent early, you end up with the cluster that has been Memphis. That team only has found success when they let the old guys lead. Your post is a great example of why going the one-and-done route is better once the system and culture is in place.

Juan Anderson's Mixtape

Quote from: BLM on March 11, 2022, 08:27:28 AM
::)

The projected 1 and dones in the lottery go to:

Auburn (possible 1 seed)
Gonzaga (guaranteed 1 seed)
Duke x2 (2 or 3 seed)
Kentucky x2 (1 or 2 seed)
Memphis (bubble)
Baylor (probably 2 seed)

Again, get me talent.  I don't need a group of guys that sing kumbaya together every night.  I need guys who win basketball games.  High level talent does that.

Those teams also have a number of players that aren't one and done types.  Memphis is the cautionary tale of betting everything on one and drones, being perennially on the bubble.

But I get your point.  Get more talent.   Some 4 year players, some recruits that develop into pros after 2-3 years, some one and dones (if you can get the right ones at the right time), and quality transfers.

The current roster overachieved, but we shouldn't settle for such modest success in the future.

wadesworld

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 11, 2022, 08:59:59 AM
The shortest tenured coach for any of those 1/2 seeds is 8 years. I agree that getting top talent helps, but I would prefer to see this staff build their culture first. Bring one and done talent to a team with guys like Oso, Kolek, Stevie, O-Max, and Kam as juniors and seniors who have the system, experience, and leadership track record and I'm all about it.

When you strictly go for talent early, you end up with the cluster that has been Memphis. That team only has found success when they let the old guys lead. Your post is a great example of why going the one-and-done route is better once the system and culture is in place.

Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 11, 2022, 09:03:39 AM
Those teams also have a number of players that aren't one and done types.  Memphis is the cautionary tale of betting everything on one and drones, being perennially on the bubble.

But I get your point.  Get more talent.   Some 4 year players, some recruits that develop into pros after 2-3 years, some one and dones (if you can get the right ones at the right time), and quality transfers.

The current roster overachieved, but we shouldn't settle for such modest success in the future.

All true.  My main point is that I think guys like this year's version of Kolek, OMax, and Kur need to be the 5th best starter at best if we really want to start winning basketball games at the level that I think most MU fans want.  I don't think they can be 3 of your 5 starters.  Obviously Kolek and OMax have 3 years to develop after this year so they could get there.  But to me I think we need to add quite a bit of talent to the roster.  I personally would not shy away from one and dones or five stars at all.  There will always be big egos at that high of a level of athletics.  I think we have a coach who can manage those egos.

Elonsmusk

Quote from: BLM on March 10, 2022, 03:18:30 PM
Give me all the one and dones we can get.  Talent wins, and we don't have close to enough.

The new Big East and Marquette aren't exactly the magnet for one and dones.  Marquette isn't going to be a program that wins via a one and done model.  Despite the disappointing end to the season it has been a great first year under Shaka.

Aren't you a trust the process guy?

BCHoopster

After being at the tournament yesterday, two things really stood out to me, our center and point guard. Our centers have no skills except being tall. Please recruit a center that has ability to shoot a 10 footer at least.  Oso is basically weak, and has no instincts on inside rebounding.  Kolek should be able to score 20 a game if he had a jump shot on the pick and roll.  He is not instinctive yet when to shot going to the rim, very tentative.  At least he will have competition next year.

jfp61

Quote from: BCHoopster on March 11, 2022, 09:43:09 AM
After being at the tournament yesterday, two things really stood out to me, our center and point guard. Our centers have no skills except being tall. Please recruit a center that has ability to shoot a 10 footer at least.  Oso is basically weak, and has no instincts on inside rebounding.  Kolek should be able to score 20 a game if he had a jump shot on the pick and roll.  He is not instinctive yet when to shot going to the rim, very tentative.  At least he will have competition next year.
Right on Que Reached out to Jaylan Gainey. A grad transfer from Brown

https://247sports.com/Article/Jaylan-Gainey-transfer-portal-Brown-hearing-from-Pittsburgh-Georgetown-Creighton-Iowa-State-Ole-Miss-Maquette-Penn-State-Virginia-Tech-184223392/

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 11, 2022, 09:39:41 AM
The new Big East and Marquette aren't exactly the magnet for one and dones.  Marquette isn't going to be a program that wins via a one and done model.  Despite the disappointing end to the season it has been a great first year under Shaka.

Aren't you a trust the process guy?

The process can include uber talented kids.
Guster is for Lovers

wadesworld

Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 11, 2022, 09:39:41 AM
The new Big East and Marquette aren't exactly the magnet for one and dones.  Marquette isn't going to be a program that wins via a one and done model.  Despite the disappointing end to the season it has been a great first year under Shaka.

Aren't you a trust the process guy?

The 6ers suck and always will.

Respect the process.

panda

Quote from: jfp61 on March 11, 2022, 09:45:31 AM
Right on Que Reached out to Jaylan Gainey. A grad transfer from Brown

https://247sports.com/Article/Jaylan-Gainey-transfer-portal-Brown-hearing-from-Pittsburgh-Georgetown-Creighton-Iowa-State-Ole-Miss-Maquette-Penn-State-Virginia-Tech-184223392/

Watching the Ivy this year, I was shocked at the embarrassingly low level of play. Reach out and do your due diligence, but it's a massive talent jump from low level Ivy play to high major BE play.

The only guy who somewhat stood out on Brown for me was their other big, but again, very low level of play.

SaveOD238

Quote from: jfp61 on March 11, 2022, 09:45:31 AM
Right on Que Reached out to Jaylan Gainey. A grad transfer from Brown

https://247sports.com/Article/Jaylan-Gainey-transfer-portal-Brown-hearing-from-Pittsburgh-Georgetown-Creighton-Iowa-State-Ole-Miss-Maquette-Penn-State-Virginia-Tech-184223392/

Lesser competition, sure, but the guy averaged nearly 7 boards a game.  Shaka has said that rebounding is a personnel problem, so I'm all for bringing in a guy known for getting to the glass.

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