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muguru

Quote from: Johnny B on April 18, 2020, 07:58:29 PM
I think most people dont understand this but the reality is Mane might come to MU HOWEVER he might not.

This kind of brilliant insight is why we all come to scoop...I mean this is..groundbreaking knowledge right here. Incredible.
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We live in a society that rewards mediocrity , I detest mediocrity - David Goggi

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mileskishnish72

Quote from: muguru on April 18, 2020, 06:50:02 PM
Just an FYI, the US and Canada extended their travel restriction between the countries another 30 days. So, if Mane intends to visit MSU or any other school, he will have to wait until at least the middle of May.

Jeez, that's a shame.

The Sultan

Quote from: muguru on April 18, 2020, 08:50:07 PM
Honestly, if he's going to wait that long, then MU needs to move on IMO...He's been to MU, he knows pretty much all he needs to know about them, they have put more time in than anyone else with him, if he is that hell bent on waiting that long just to visit MSU, then I think that's pretty telling. I mean the way I look at it is this...if he's only going to be someplace for only a year anyway, then go with what you know(MU). Even if you end up not liking it like you thought you might, you only have to make it thru one year. Even with Carton, MU's Guard depth/talent isn't nearly as good as MSU's. That could be a positive or a negative I suppose. other than I look at it like, he could come to MU and play all the minutes he can handle, at MSU probably not as many.

Also, as far as I can tell, if Xavier Tillman comes back, and Langford decides to get a medical redshirt, they don't have a scholarship available anyway. Sure, one of those two things, Tillman staying in, or Langford moving on would free one up, but I just don't see Tillman staying in and I can't see Izzo wanting Langford to move on, he loves that kid..

Marquette's going to move on to whom?  They have two openings and no serious takers as far as I can tell. 
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4everwarriors

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brewcity77

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 18, 2020, 09:00:58 PM
Marquette's going to move on to whom?  They have two openings and no serious takers as far as I can tell.

There are a couple transfers that are still decent out there, but if we end up waiting and going forward with what we have, are we that bad off?

PG: Carton, Torrence
SG: McEwen, Elliott, Akanno
SF: Cain, Bailey
PF: Garcia, Ighodaro
C: John, Lewis

Obviously they would mix around, positions aren't static, but that's good enough to weather a couple transfers or injuries and still have some depth. I think Etienne and Mane is almost too good to dream of, but unless there's a must-have transfer, who else is worth throwing that much effort after?

Johnny B

Quote from: muguru on April 18, 2020, 08:51:23 PM
This kind of brilliant insight is why we all come to scoop...I mean this is..groundbreaking knowledge right here. Incredible.
Thank you guru. I think my posts should be behind a paywall. My brilliant takes should not be free.

muguru

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 18, 2020, 09:00:58 PM
Marquette's going to move on to whom?  They have two openings and no serious takers as far as I can tell.

Leave the schollies open if you have to. But after awhile, enough is enough, you either want to commit to MU or you don't. Me personally, if he drags this out until the end of May I'd be out. I mean what else is there left for him to see/do?? Chances are VERY good, he won't ever be able to see MSU no matter how long he waits, so you just have to make a decision, and dragging it out isn't going to change anything. At the end of May(and I still think that's too long), if by then he still hasn't decided, I move on to find a transfer or two(if there's still a couple good ones out there), at some point MU needs to know what their roster is going to look like for next year.

I mean, there's a couple guys that have recently announced transfers that MU may have been interested in and persued (Perez, the D2 kid etc) but aren't because they are waiting on Mane, you can only wait so long IMO
"Being realistic is the most common path to mediocrity." Will Smith

We live in a society that rewards mediocrity , I detest mediocrity - David Goggi

I want this quote to serve as a reminder to the vast majority of scoop posters in regards to the MU BB program.

genious expert

Quote from: Johnny B on April 18, 2020, 07:58:29 PM
I think most people dont understand this but the reality is Mane might come to MU HOWEVER he might not.

Source?


TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: muguru on April 18, 2020, 10:02:47 PM
Leave the schollies open if you have to. But after awhile, enough is enough, you either want to commit to MU or you don't. Me personally, if he drags this out until the end of May I'd be out. I mean what else is there left for him to see/do?? Chances are VERY good, he won't ever be able to see MSU no matter how long he waits, so you just have to make a decision, and dragging it out isn't going to change anything. At the end of May(and I still think that's too long), if by then he still hasn't decided, I move on to find a transfer or two(if there's still a couple good ones out there), at some point MU needs to know what their roster is going to look like for next year.

I mean, there's a couple guys that have recently announced transfers that MU may have been interested in and persued (Perez, the D2 kid etc) but aren't because they are waiting on Mane, you can only wait so long IMO

To the bolded: Visit the other schools?

I don't get your line of thinking Guru. Mane has all the time in the world. What advantage is there to him to commit now vs. committing later? He could wait to the very last moment and if he called MU, MSU, Memphis, any of them, they would take him in a heartbeat. It's not like they are going to run out of scholarships to give him, any one of his finalists will cut a player to make room for him.

There is no reason for him to rush this decision. If I were his parents, I would tell him to take his time and see if he will be allowed to visit schools at any point this summer, even if he already felt strongly about the school he already visited. It could be that he loves MU but just want to give another visit a chance since he has nothing to compare his MU visit to. Or it could be that he's not sold on MU and is shopping around for something better. Truth is likely somewhere in the middle.
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brewcity77

Quote from: muguru on April 18, 2020, 10:02:47 PM
Leave the schollies open if you have to. But after awhile, enough is enough, you either want to commit to MU or you don't. Me personally, if he drags this out until the end of May I'd be out. I mean what else is there left for him to see/do?? Chances are VERY good, he won't ever be able to see MSU no matter how long he waits, so you just have to make a decision, and dragging it out isn't going to change anything. At the end of May(and I still think that's too long), if by then he still hasn't decided, I move on to find a transfer or two(if there's still a couple good ones out there), at some point MU needs to know what their roster is going to look like for next year.

I mean, there's a couple guys that have recently announced transfers that MU may have been interested in and persued (Perez, the D2 kid etc) but aren't because they are waiting on Mane, you can only wait so long IMO

I don't think we know that they are waiting on anyone because of Mane. They went after DeJulius, Turner, and Burton when landing two of those three would have removed us from Mane consideration.

Honestly, this is the strangest take ever from you. You always assert Marquette should go for the best talent available. Get the best players period. If Michael Foster reclassified in June and committed to Marquette, should Wojo pass because it's too late in the calendar? If Makur Maker (#12 in 247 Sports) decided in July he wanted to pass on the pro route and come to Marquette, would you say no? What if Jalen Johnson backed out on Duke in August and decided he wanted to stay closer to home after COVID?

If Mane wants to come, you keep the door open and you take him whenever he's ready. It's not like Wojo is filling a work vacancy and needs someone in that position tomorrow. The circumstances of this recruiting cycle related to COVID have changed everything and Mane is adjusting to that to. The closed border only makes it more difficult, and Marquette should accommodate him through his decision as long as they have a scholarship to offer. You don't do all the work to slam the door because of some arbitrary, meaningless deadline, especially in a pandemic.

The Sultan

Quote from: muguru on April 18, 2020, 10:02:47 PM
Leave the schollies open if you have to. But after awhile, enough is enough, you either want to commit to MU or you don't. Me personally, if he drags this out until the end of May I'd be out. I mean what else is there left for him to see/do?? Chances are VERY good, he won't ever be able to see MSU no matter how long he waits, so you just have to make a decision, and dragging it out isn't going to change anything. At the end of May(and I still think that's too long), if by then he still hasn't decided, I move on to find a transfer or two(if there's still a couple good ones out there), at some point MU needs to know what their roster is going to look like for next year.

I mean, there's a couple guys that have recently announced transfers that MU may have been interested in and persued (Perez, the D2 kid etc) but aren't because they are waiting on Mane, you can only wait so long IMO


Why set an artificial deadline that isn't necessary?  If your option is to keep the scholarships open anyway, why not wait until mid August?  As brew said, you complain about not getting enough talent, but then you are going to put a deadline on when that talent wants to commit?
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

muguru

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 19, 2020, 12:19:34 AM
To the bolded: Visit the other schools?

I don't get your line of thinking Guru. Mane has all the time in the world. What advantage is there to him to commit now vs. committing later? He could wait to the very last moment and if he called MU, MSU, Memphis, any of them, they would take him in a heartbeat. It's not like they are going to run out of scholarships to give him, any one of his finalists will cut a player to make room for him.

There is no reason for him to rush this decision. If I were his parents, I would tell him to take his time and see if he will be allowed to visit schools at any point this summer, even if he already felt strongly about the school he already visited. It could be that he loves MU but just want to give another visit a chance since he has nothing to compare his MU visit to. Or it could be that he's not sold on MU and is shopping around for something better. Truth is likely somewhere in the middle.

Transfers have been committing left and right to schools they have only visited virtually. Why haven't they been waiting? They could take all the time in the world as well, right?? In Mane's case, he at least has been to one of the schools on his list, transfer's haven't had that luxury. You have things like being enrolled in time for summer school that he needs to consider etc. The absolute soonest he could visit anywhere is Middle of May and I doubt even then anyone will be allowed on campuses.
"Being realistic is the most common path to mediocrity." Will Smith

We live in a society that rewards mediocrity , I detest mediocrity - David Goggi

I want this quote to serve as a reminder to the vast majority of scoop posters in regards to the MU BB program.

The Sultan

Quote from: muguru on April 19, 2020, 07:06:41 AM
Transfers have been committing left and right to schools they have only visited virtually. Why haven't they been waiting? They could take all the time in the world as well, right?? In Mane's case, he at least has been to one of the schools on his list, transfer's haven't had that luxury. You have things like being enrolled in time for summer school that he needs to consider etc. The absolute soonest he could visit anywhere is Middle of May and I doubt even then anyone will be allowed on campuses.

Marquette's summer classes are all online.  Students aren't going to be around until the Fall.  He will be missing no workouts, no practices, no scrimmages if he waits.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

muguru

Quote from: brewcity77 on April 19, 2020, 06:57:25 AM
I don't think we know that they are waiting on anyone because of Mane. They went after DeJulius, Turner, and Burton when landing two of those three would have removed us from Mane consideration.

Honestly, this is the strangest take ever from you. You always assert Marquette should go for the best talent available. Get the best players period. If Michael Foster reclassified in June and committed to Marquette, should Wojo pass because it's too late in the calendar? If Makur Maker (#12 in 247 Sports) decided in July he wanted to pass on the pro route and come to Marquette, would you say no? What if Jalen Johnson backed out on Duke in August and decided he wanted to stay closer to home after COVID?

If Mane wants to come, you keep the door open and you take him whenever he's ready. It's not like Wojo is filling a work vacancy and needs someone in that position tomorrow. The circumstances of this recruiting cycle related to COVID have changed everything and Mane is adjusting to that to. The closed border only makes it more difficult, and Marquette should accommodate him through his decision as long as they have a scholarship to offer. You don't do all the work to slam the door because of some arbitrary, meaningless deadline, especially in a pandemic.

I do want the most talent possible I say that repeatedly, but transfers like Burton committed to Texas Tech without ever being able to visit there or anywhere else. Transfers have been committing everywhere. Sure, every kid is different, but he's been to MU, that's one school on his list, heck the transfers haven't had that luxury. Maybe it's just me...I'm not in any way shape or form a patient person.
"Being realistic is the most common path to mediocrity." Will Smith

We live in a society that rewards mediocrity , I detest mediocrity - David Goggi

I want this quote to serve as a reminder to the vast majority of scoop posters in regards to the MU BB program.

muguru

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 19, 2020, 07:14:23 AM
Marquette's summer classes are all online.  Students aren't going to be around until the Fall.  He will be missing no workouts, no practices, no scrimmages if he waits.

Even if they are all online as I'm sure others schools are too, he would still have to be enrolled for those classes by a certain date, online or not, right?? I'm asking because I don't know. I mean hell MU starts school August 30th if I looked at the calendar correctly.
"Being realistic is the most common path to mediocrity." Will Smith

We live in a society that rewards mediocrity , I detest mediocrity - David Goggi

I want this quote to serve as a reminder to the vast majority of scoop posters in regards to the MU BB program.

The Sultan

Quote from: muguru on April 19, 2020, 07:17:53 AM
Even if they are all online as I'm sure others schools are too, he would still have to be enrolled for those classes by a certain date, online or not, right?? I'm asking because I don't know. I mean hell MU starts school August 30th if I looked at the calendar correctly.


There is probably even a late enrollment date into September.

Look, there is zero reason for Mane to commit before he wants to.  There is zero reason for Wojo to put a deadline on him.  This is a great example of a kid who is taking advantage of the flexibilities he has.
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I'd rather Karim Mane be 100% committed at a time of his choosing than committing early and having doubts the entire time like Joey Hauser.  That isn't a shot at Joey.  In the long run, Marquette and Joey expended a lot of time and sweat for naught.
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dad's couch

Quote from: muguru on April 19, 2020, 07:15:28 AM
I do want the most talent possible I say that repeatedly, but transfers like Burton committed to Texas Tech without ever being able to visit there or anywhere else. Transfers have been committing everywhere. Sure, every kid is different, but he's been to MU, that's one school on his list, heck the transfers haven't had that luxury. Maybe it's just me...I'm not in any way shape or form a patient person.

I see that but what does Mane get out of it to commit in the next couple of weeks? The schools he's looking at all have scholarships available. Most seem to be not looking at anyone else. As was mentioned earlier it looks like campuses will be shut down so he won' be missing any off season workouts or bonding with his teammates.

MU82

Very inconsistent takes from you, guru.

You know that you will be elated if Mane chooses Marquette, even if he doesn't do so until August. 15. Zero reasons for Wojo to impose artificial deadlines or settle for lesser talent.
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TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: muguru on April 19, 2020, 07:06:41 AM
Transfers have been committing left and right to schools they have only visited virtually. Why haven't they been waiting? They could take all the time in the world as well, right?? In Mane's case, he at least has been to one of the schools on his list, transfer's haven't had that luxury. You have things like being enrolled in time for summer school that he needs to consider etc. The absolute soonest he could visit anywhere is Middle of May and I doubt even then anyone will be allowed on campuses.

So because other players are doing it, that means Mane should?  Why does summer school matter? There are no practices or workouts and he's planning on being a one and done. He has absolutely no reason to rush a commitment. If he wants to wait to see if visits are eventually allowed there is zero downside for him.
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TedBaxter

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 19, 2020, 10:05:38 AM
So because other players are doing it, that means Mane should?  Why does summer school matter? There are no practices or workouts and he's planning on being a one and done. He has absolutely no reason to rush a commitment. If he wants to wait to see if visits are eventually allowed there is zero downside for him.

Agree.  He and his family came to Montreal from Senegal and going to a college in the U.S. is a huge decision for them.  He can commit when he commits and Marquette can wait with a scholarship available.
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muguru

"Being realistic is the most common path to mediocrity." Will Smith

We live in a society that rewards mediocrity , I detest mediocrity - David Goggi

I want this quote to serve as a reminder to the vast majority of scoop posters in regards to the MU BB program.

muguru

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 19, 2020, 10:05:38 AM
So because other players are doing it, that means Mane should?  Why does summer school matter? There are no practices or workouts and he's planning on being a one and done. He has absolutely no reason to rush a commitment. If he wants to wait to see if visits are eventually allowed there is zero downside for him.

Admittedly, 99% of it is because I'm impatient and want to know where he's going. But most of that is because I feel like the longer it goes, the better the chance there is he doesn't come to MU(and he could still end up there). That's my own personal opinion. He can wait as long as he wants, sure, but right now on April 19th, I'd bet a decent amount that he won't be able to visit anywhere. Again, my opinion. I feel like if he was so certain he wanted to come to MU, he could have/would have pulled the trigger by now. I mean, if you knew, why wait??
"Being realistic is the most common path to mediocrity." Will Smith

We live in a society that rewards mediocrity , I detest mediocrity - David Goggi

I want this quote to serve as a reminder to the vast majority of scoop posters in regards to the MU BB program.

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Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 18, 2020, 09:10:52 PM
Herd ders a dude at Concordia hoo kan run and dribble at the same time, hey?

Too late Doc, he's already cut his list down to Nebraska, Iowa State, or Wichita State.  Wichita State supposedly leads due to having no one currently on scholarship.
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No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.

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