Recruiting as of 4/15/25

[JakeBarnes]

How do they say "foul" in whatever language they speak in New Zealand?

I think it's a "crisp"

[panda]

He played in 26 games (not including the Depaul game where he played like one possession) and he had at least three fouls in 17 of those games. That means he's most likely sitting for stretches because of fouls. Par for the course for his career.

That isn't good. Better than the rate he was at before as one poster laid out, but still not good.

Frankly I think his knee issue limited his mobility and artificially deflated his foul numbers. This year his foul numbers are back up and right around his career average.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

He played in 26 games (not including the Depaul game where he played like one possession) and he had at least three fouls in 17 of those games. That means he's most likely sitting for stretches because of fouls. Par for the course for his career.

That isn't good. Better than the rate he was at before as one poster laid out, but still not good.

Frankly I think his knee issue limited his mobility and artificially deflated his foul numbers. This year his foul numbers are back up and right around his career average.

Math. It's Hard.

[Uncle Rico]

Yes

[panda]

Math. It's Hard.

8 is less than 4. 4 is an improvement. 4 is still not good. Final answer.

[Its DJOver]

Theo's 4.2= not good. Kur's 3.5= good. Got it. 0.7 fouls per 40 difference is the all it takes to move from not good to good.

[JakeBarnes]

Theo's 4.2= not good. Kur's 3.5= good. Got it. 0.7 fouls per 40 difference is the all it takes to move from not good to good.

And a composite rank of 4.2 is a good one for a recruit.

[panda]

Theo's 4.2= not good. Kur's 3.5= good. Got it. 0.7 fouls per 40 difference is the all it takes to move from not good to good.

When did I ever mention Kur?

Kur and Oso work well together because they can play more aggressively and MU doesn't lose much when the other is off the floor. (Speaking generally - last night Kur was the hot hand.)

The problem with Theo's foul troubles was that Wojo insisted on running the offense through him last year and when he was on the bench, we would drastically change our approach in the half court. Inconsistency led to poor offensive flow, amongst other things last season.

[Its DJOver]

When did I ever mention Kur?

Other players were brought up for comparison since you are clearly struggling to understand how this statistic works. Theo's last year here was right in line with our current production at center, and seeing as you aren't complaining about foul trouble with our current centers it can be concluded that you don't think they have foul troubles.

[genious expert]

Ben Gold interview from about a week ago

https://www.prospectiveinsight.com/post/ben-gold

[TSmith34, Inc.]

8 is less than 4. 4 is an improvement. 4 is still not good. Final answer.

Patrick Ewing was the 4-time BE Defensive Player of the Year. His foul rate per 40 for his career was 3.87, including 3.85 his senior year. Apparently, not good.

But rather than admit that you were wrong heaven forbid, just keep digging in.

[The Sultan]

When did I ever mention Kur?

Kur and Oso work well together because they can play more aggressively and MU doesn't lose much when the other is off the floor. (Speaking generally - last night Kur was the hot hand.)

The problem with Theo's foul troubles was that Wojo insisted on running the offense through him last year and when he was on the bench, we would drastically change our approach in the half court. Inconsistency led to poor offensive flow, amongst other things last season.

You do realize that Theo splits minutes at Duke too right? 

[panda]

You do realize that Theo splits minutes at Duke too right?

He's not a starter being looked upon to play major minutes. He can use his five fouls in his 10 minutes of play and it's not any sort of a loss for the team.

Much different than his role from last season.

[Its DJOver]

He's not a starter being looked upon to play major minutes. He can use his five fouls in his 10 minutes of play and it's not any sort of a loss for the team.

Much different than his role from last season.

Theo's usage last year was 16%. That's hardly "running the offense through him". Keep digging.

[panda]

Patrick Ewing was the 4-time BE Defensive Player of the Year. His foul rate per 40 for his career was 3.87, including 3.85 his senior year. Apparently, not good.

But rather than admit that you were wrong heaven forbid, just keep digging in.

Theo's was 4.3 for his senior year and 4.9 in top 50 games. Not exactly the same. But Theo is no Patrick Ewing.

Again - I believe his foul numbers were lower last season because of the lack of mobility he had because of lingering knee issues. He's always been a lost defender in space on the floor and goes for the "home run" block more often than not leading to fouls.

[panda]

Theo's usage last year was 16%. That's hardly "running the offense through him". Keep digging.

The offense was often initiated with a dump into Theo in the post. Watch the games instead of looking at KenPom.

[Its DJOver]

"Stats prove me wrong so I'm just going to default to saying eye test."

[panda]

"Stats prove me wrong so I'm just going to default to saying eye test."

I mean - I'm not wrong here. The Golden Break podcast references how the offense last season was initiated and compares it to this season. Give it a listen.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Theo's was 4.3 for his senior year and 4.9 in top 50 games. Not exactly the same. But Theo is no Patrick Ewing.

Again - I believe his foul numbers were lower last season because of the lack of mobility he had because of lingering knee issues. He's always been a lost defender in space on the floor and goes for the "home run" block more often than not leading to fouls.

Wait, better competition is harder? Who knew?

I guess it is just interesting that the 4-time BEDPOY had a foul rate that was "not good". And apparently Theo's mobility got less and less each year he was at Marquette. Also, as everyone knows, if the coach runs his offense through you, your foul rate goes down.

Take the L.

[panda]

Wait, better competition is harder? Who knew?

I guess it is just interesting that the 4-time BEDPOY had a foul rate that was "not good". And apparently Theo's mobility got less and less each year he was at Marquette. Also, as everyone knows, if the coach runs his offense through you, your foul rate goes down.

Take the L.

You're all over the place man.

If his numbers started really poor and then progressively got better it doesn't mean that he's good. It just means he's less bad.

Theo's foul trouble lead to him sitting out. Theo was a main part of the offense last season. When a main part of the offense sits out, it can lead to continuity issues IE trouble scoring.

Sorry for hijacking the recruiting thread. Send me a PM and I'll be more than happy to continue there.

[Its DJOver]

I mean - I'm not wrong here. The Golden Break podcast references how the offense last season was initiated and compares it to this season. Give it a listen.

I mean - you are wrong. Wojo always ran the offense through the best offensive player. Carlino, Henry, 4 years of Markus. You're now suggesting that he switched and ran it through Theo even though DJ, Dawson and Justin all had higher usages? Take the L.

[mug644]

Theo's was 4.3 for his senior year and 4.9 in top 50 games. Not exactly the same. But Theo is no Patrick Ewing.

Again - I believe his foul numbers were lower last season because of the lack of mobility he had because of lingering knee issues. He's always been a lost defender in space on the floor and goes for the "home run" block more often than not leading to fouls.

So, he wanted to foul more, but couldn't because of his knee injury? And that was bad? Or, he was bad because he should've fouled more but didn't? Or, his lower foul rate his senior year was bad because it was different from his first three years?

[Vander Blue Man Group]

A ton of posts about Theo's foul rate in the recruiting thread.  Pure Scoop. 

[TSmith34, Inc.]

You're all over the place man.

This is great irony

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Take the L is probably the most annoying thing that gets said on the internet. If you disagree with me, just take the L