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Quote from: Lazar's Headband on April 14, 2021, 12:28:34 PM
Redshirts are under utilized in basketball.  A guy like Itajere would be much more useful in year 5 than year 1.  Look at Oso, who played less than 40 minutes all of last year.  Thankfully Oso gets a free covid year, so he might still be here four more years.

Plus, if transfers don't have to sit out in the future, the redshirt no longer gets penalized.  Players won't have to save their redshirt in case of transfer.

Whether Shaka utilizes redshirting remains to be seen, but I think it makes sense in some situations.


I totally agree that redshirting makes great sense in many situations. Unfortunately, many players don't usually agree.

jsglow

So assuming everyone else returns including Garcia, that leaves us with one available scholarship. 

Um, Mr. Bates....Time to give Coach Shaka a call.  8-)

Goose

Lazar


The game is changing and guys should play at lower level to improve their games and then transfer to better program. Sitting out a year is a thing of the past, IMO. Similar to Al's quote on best thing about freshmen is becoming sophomores. You better come ready to play on day one if you want to play at an elite program.

JakeBarnes

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Quote from: jsglow on April 14, 2021, 01:09:40 PM
So assuming everyone else returns including Garcia, that leaves us with one available scholarship. 

Um, Mr. Bates....Time to give Coach Shaka a call.  8-)

Not sure if it is related to this, but Ben Steele did seem to think that we had more news coming today. Not sure if that meant the announcement of the coaching staff or another commitment--but did seem to think that something was brewing.

Or teh big new was that Shaka attended the MLAX game
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bilsu

Quote from: onepostdavis on April 14, 2021, 11:02:22 AM
Agree with everything you say here, but IMO I think our redshirts will be Itejere and Kam Jones.  I see Ellis having a nice role from day 1.
I wish the NCAA would come up with a rule similar to one they have for football. A football player can now play in three games and still redshirt. 7 or 8 games in basketball would be a comparable number.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Personally I don't think Bates is likely unless Kam Jones is getting the Shaka Shake. I just don't see a 6-man recruiting class being the play.

I would love for the news to be Mosell. But not all transfers have made their processes public. Could be a name we are not expecting.

Garcia is definitely welcome back. Shaka will do everything he can to keep him in the fold.

It definitely seems like Shaka is taking a build for the future approach. There's a lot of instant contributors out there in the transfer portal and thus far it seems like the priority has been stocking up on underclassmen. I'm cool with it, but it may be year 2 or 3 before we see the results we want. Definitely a possibility that we see some more transfers out before the year is done to make some room.
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Silkk the Shaka

Quote from: Lazar's Headband on April 14, 2021, 11:42:05 AM
Jones is another redshirt possibility.  I went with Ellis because of he won't turn 18 until July.  He's on the younger side of his class, just like Vander Blue and Sacar Anim.  Sure, Howard was even younger but Ellis isn't close to that skill level.

How the hell do you list players young for their class and not mention Markus Howard, Who Was Only Seventeen Years Old???

copious1218

Quote from: Silkk the Shaka on April 14, 2021, 01:21:39 PM
How the hell do you list players young for their class and not mention Markus Howard, Who Was Only Seventeen Years Old???

Re-read what you quoted.  "Sure, Howard was even younger . . ."

Silkk the Shaka

Quote from: copious1218 on April 14, 2021, 01:31:33 PM
Re-read what you quoted.  "Sure, Howard was even younger . . ."

LOL I stand corrected!

4everwarriors

Quote from: Goose on April 14, 2021, 01:11:40 PM
Lazar


The game is changing and guys should play at lower level to improve their games and then transfer to better program. Sitting out a year is a thing of the past, IMO. Similar to Al's quote on best thing about freshmen is becoming sophomores. You better come ready to play on day one if you want to play at an elite program.




Plus, they all think they're going to the Association, and the sooner, the better, hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

jsglow

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 14, 2021, 01:20:48 PM
Personally I don't think Bates is likely unless Kam Jones is getting the Shaka Shake. I just don't see a 6-man recruiting class being the play.

I would love for the news to be Mosell. But not all transfers have made their processes public. Could be a name we are not expecting.

Garcia is definitely welcome back. Shaka will do everything he can to keep him in the fold.

It definitely seems like Shaka is taking a build for the future approach. There's a lot of instant contributors out there in the transfer portal and thus far it seems like the priority has been stocking up on underclassmen. I'm cool with it, but it may be year 2 or 3 before we see the results we want. Definitely a possibility that we see some more transfers out before the year is done to make some room.

That makes a lot of sense TAMU.  Stay on top if it!

MU82

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 14, 2021, 01:20:48 PM
Personally I don't think Bates is likely unless Kam Jones is getting the Shaka Shake. I just don't see a 6-man recruiting class being the play.

I would love for the news to be Mosell. But not all transfers have made their processes public. Could be a name we are not expecting.

Garcia is definitely welcome back. Shaka will do everything he can to keep him in the fold.

It definitely seems like Shaka is taking a build for the future approach. There's a lot of instant contributors out there in the transfer portal and thus far it seems like the priority has been stocking up on underclassmen. I'm cool with it, but it may be year 2 or 3 before we see the results we want. Definitely a possibility that we see some more transfers out before the year is done to make some room.

I don't think it has to be an either/or thing.

DJ, DG and JL could improve a lot. Getting a healthy, improved Justin Lewis would almost be like getting a very solid transfer. DJ and DG played a lot of minutes last season and will be "veterans" next season.

I'm not saying next season's team will go to the Final Four, but I do think that if those 3 improve as much as they can, and if even a couple of the newcomers excel (kind of the way freshmen Sam and Markus did), we could have an enjoyable season that includes an NCAA bid.
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Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 14, 2021, 01:20:48 PM

It definitely seems like Shaka is taking a build for the future approach. There's a lot of instant contributors out there in the transfer portal and thus far it seems like the priority has been stocking up on underclassmen. I'm cool with it, but it may be year 2 or 3 before we see the results we want. Definitely a possibility that we see some more transfers out before the year is done to make some room.
My thoughts exactly. Also that Shaka seems loyal to his recruits at Texas and those who committed to Marquette as well as the current Marquette players.  That is probably the best long term way to handle this and not burn bridges with AAU and high school coaches.

Hopefully we get a guard from high school who is ready to step in and play right away, or a transfer at point or a big transfer that can play right away.  But he is not trying to piece together a short term team.  Hopefully, he can keep a core of players on the roster, and build it up over time. The key will be to not have a lot of transfers. But, I'm sure there are changes that we don't know about.

GOO

Quote from: MU82 on April 14, 2021, 02:23:23 PM
I don't think it has to be an either/or thing.

DJ, DG and JL could improve a lot. Getting a healthy, improved Justin Lewis would almost be like getting a very solid transfer. DJ and DG played a lot of minutes last season and will be "veterans" next season.

I'm not saying next season's team will go to the Final Four, but I do think that if those 3 improve as much as they can, and if even a couple of the newcomers excel (kind of the way freshmen Sam and Markus did), we could have an enjoyable season that includes an NCAA bid.

Garcia coming back is a big factor here. If he comes back and if JLewis is more consistent and if Elliot can play up to his potential and if DJ does as well.  And if one or two of the new comers can play and one is a true starter.  Then it could be a solid season and an NCAA appearance season.  There are a lot of "ifs" going into the season, as things stand right now, without proven upper classman leadership.  But I think we are all fine with that, and either way it should be an exciting season and a lot of action on the floor.

JakeBarnes

Quote from: GOO on April 14, 2021, 02:29:46 PM
Garcia coming back is a big factor here. If he comes back and if JLewis is more consistent and if Elliot can play up to his potential and if DJ does as well.  And if one or two of the new comers can play and one is a true starter.  Then it could be a solid season and an NCAA appearance season.  There are a lot of "ifs" going into the season, as things stand right now, without proven upper classman leadership.  But I think we are all fine with that, and either way it should be an exciting season and a lot of action on the floor.

You could see a starting lineup of:

DJ
Greg
Joplin
Dawson
Oso

I am still intrigued by filling the 2G with another, either Bates or grad transfer. Kinda wish we were on Nickelberry from Louisville or got Locke before he committed to Louisville.
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Quote from: BCHoopster on April 14, 2021, 02:44:39 PM
Lewis instead Oso

Id guess even lewis instead of joplin. Cannot believe I forgot lewis
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Quote from: Goose on April 14, 2021, 01:11:40 PM
Lazar


The game is changing and guys should play at lower level to improve their games and then transfer to better program. Sitting out a year is a thing of the past, IMO. Similar to Al's quote on best thing about freshmen is becoming sophomores. You better come ready to play on day one if you want to play at an elite program.

Lots of players will go the mid major to high major route, too.  Wendell Green is a great example.  A 3 star PG, had some high major interest but wasn't a priority recruit.  He went to Eastern Kentucky for a year, started, and had a nice year.  He then transferred to Auburn.  I'd say things worked out quite well for Green.

I also realize that just because I think a couple players should redshirt, that doesn't mean anybody will redshirt.  Redshirts or not, I don't see many instant impact players in this recruiting class.  Maybe 2 rotation players, the rest spend a year on the end of the bench.

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Quote from: MU82 on April 14, 2021, 02:23:23 PM
I don't think it has to be an either/or thing.

DJ, DG and JL could improve a lot. Getting a healthy, improved Justin Lewis would almost be like getting a very solid transfer. DJ and DG played a lot of minutes last season and will be "veterans" next season.

I'm not saying next season's team will go to the Final Four, but I do think that if those 3 improve as much as they can, and if even a couple of the newcomers excel (kind of the way freshmen Sam and Markus did), we could have an enjoyable season that includes an NCAA bid.

Could be. But I think we are getting ahead of ourselves. Right now I see Carton, Lewis, 5 freshmen ranked outside the top 75, and a handful of bench players for a sub .500 team. Great core for the future, but doesn't scream NCAA team to me.

Still plenty of time. Get Garcia back, add an impact transfer, maybe Shaka Shake off an end of rotation player and replace him with Bates or another impact transfer and my tune could change very quickly.
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Big Papi

Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 14, 2021, 10:35:02 AM
Aidoo to Tennessee as expected.

Looks like he followed Gainey so chances are he would of been here without a coaching change.  Having said that, we needed to make a coaching change.

Big Papi

Quote from: Lazar's Headband on April 14, 2021, 12:28:34 PM
Redshirts are under utilized in basketball.  A guy like Itajere would be much more useful in year 5 than year 1.  Look at Oso, who played less than 40 minutes all of last year.  Thankfully Oso gets a free covid year, so he might still be here four more years.

Plus, if transfers don't have to sit out in the future, the redshirt no longer gets penalized.  Players won't have to save their redshirt in case of transfer.

Whether Shaka utilizes redshirting remains to be seen, but I think it makes sense in some situations.

I think they might have been underutilized in the past but with the new transfer rules, I see a smaller number of players being redshirted.  Players want to play.

mileskishnish72

If we can't get a quality C from the portal, I'd be perfectly happy with Master Bates.

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