https://x.com/Acyn/status/1812249329203286464?t=alulFJzc4J7li3rn4kjp4g&s=19
Hope everyone is OK
Can't leave guys stranded in scoring position
I condemn violence
#fake news.
This is going to be a sh!tshow.
I'm curious why the secret service lets him stand up exposed for several seconds and doesn't rush him out of there when wounded.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 13, 2024, 06:15:58 PM
I'm curious why the secret service lets him stand up exposed for several seconds and doesn't rush him out of there when wounded.
They knew it was Jussie'd
IBTL
I'm not surprised it happened. People really hate pedophiles.
No matter what happens - we're not supposed to blame media, politicians or any type of speech for the actions of a crazy person
Y'all are fooked up and sick fooks, aina?
CNN headline says he needed help off stage after falling. Tells the story.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 13, 2024, 07:00:17 PM
Y'all are fooked up and sick fooks, aina?
I condemn violence.
Quote from: jesmu84 on July 13, 2024, 06:59:16 PM
No matter what happens - we're not supposed to blame media, politicians or any type of speech for the actions of a crazy person
Or the gun.
Quote from: bananahammock on July 13, 2024, 07:02:44 PM
CNN headline says he needed help off stage after falling. Tells the story.
No it doesn't. That was the headline posted like two minutes afterwards and quickly updated as more info came in.
Don't be such a snowflake.
Quote from: jesmu84 on July 13, 2024, 06:59:16 PM
No matter what happens - we're not supposed to blame media, politicians or any type of speech for the actions of a crazy person
Trump:
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Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 13, 2024, 07:00:17 PM
Y'all are fooked up and sick fooks, aina?
Thoughts and prayers.
Is it too soon to talk about gun control?
It is reported that the shooter and an attendee are dead.
Quote from: jesmu84 on July 13, 2024, 07:15:21 PM
Is it too soon to talk about gun control?
For the GOP it probably depends on the color of the shooter
There were days when an assassination attempt on a current, or former president was shocking news. These aren't those days.
Quote from: Jockey on July 13, 2024, 06:07:05 PM
#fake news.
seriously?? you are one mangled human being and I use the term "human being" lightly
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 13, 2024, 07:28:40 PM
There were days when an assassination attempt on a current, or former president was shocking news. These aren't those days.
so you don't think this is shocking? you hanging with jockstrap?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 13, 2024, 07:28:40 PM
There were days when an assassination attempt on a current, or former president was shocking news. These aren't those days.
Very true sadly.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 13, 2024, 07:28:54 PM
seriously?? you are one mangled human being and I use the term "human being" lightly
Jockey and GBW are especially showing off how sick they are. But you're really not surprised, are you? The left in general is a very sick and evil movement as evidenced by the events of today.
Doc,
This place and the country is fxcked up. Anyone that does not think think is shocking is messed up.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 13, 2024, 07:30:44 PM
so you don't think this is shocking? you hanging with jockstrap?
Nope. And while I don't wish any innocent person harm, I think it's safe to say I'd rather have news about shootings at political rallies rather than at schools.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on July 13, 2024, 07:31:48 PM
Jockey and GBW are especially showing off how sick they are. But you're really not surprised, are you? The left in general is a very sick and evil movement as evidenced by the events of today.
Cool.
Now do Paul Pelosi.
Now do the El Paso Walmart shooting.
Now do the Buffalo grocery store shooting.
Now do the Tree of Life.
Now do the Oklahoma City federal building.
You would think a condemnation of political violence would be an area upon which we all could agree. Guess not.
All of this is sad. But what's saddest is now we don't even get to have a true reckoning with gun violence.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 13, 2024, 07:34:40 PM
Nope. And while I don't wish any innocent person harm, I think it's safe to say I'd rather have news about shootings at political rallies rather than at schools.
how about neither
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 13, 2024, 07:38:44 PM
how about neither
Sure, but then you'd have to advocate for gun bans. Even I'm not that crazy!
Quote from: GB Warrior on July 13, 2024, 07:37:31 PM
All of this is sad. But what's saddest is now we don't even get to have a true reckoning with gun violence.
you guys always turn this stuff into a gun thing
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 13, 2024, 07:39:45 PM
Sure, but then you'd have to advocate for gun bans. Even I'm not that crazy!
no you don't
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 13, 2024, 07:40:14 PM
no you don't
Ok, we'll just lock up all the crazy people? You better go into hiding!
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 13, 2024, 07:39:54 PM
you guys always turn this stuff into a gun thing
Funny how that works when guns that shouldn't be on the streets find their way into public discourse.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 13, 2024, 07:35:48 PM
Cool.
Now do Paul Pelosi.
Now do the El Paso Walmart shooting.
Now do the Buffalo grocery store shooting.
Now do the Tree of Life.
Now do the Oklahoma City federal building.
Now do Gretchen Whitmer kidnap/assassination attempt.
Now do Biden campaign bus driven off road and liked by Trump.
I am both against political violence and unsurprised by it.
I am happy to hear that POTUS is reaching out to Vice President Trump.
Quote from: Goose on July 13, 2024, 07:44:10 PM
I am happy to hear that POTUS is reaching out to Vice President Trump.
Way to keep it apolitical. If we're lucky the first black woman president will just drop (literally) before November. And I know you understand the joke.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 13, 2024, 07:40:57 PM
Ok, we'll just lock up all the crazy people? You better go into hiding!
wow. See board rules.
Some (very brief) forum rules:
Respect other posters. Insults, and flames will not be tolerated
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 13, 2024, 07:47:44 PM
wow. See board rules.
Some (very brief) forum rules:
Respect other posters. Insults, and flames will not be tolerated
You have rocket on ignore? Clinical I tell you. As the muscoop board certified doctor, I can say that with confidence.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 13, 2024, 06:15:58 PM
I'm curious why the secret service lets him stand up exposed for several seconds and doesn't rush him out of there when wounded.
It's being reported a man with a gun on a roof was reported to SS and police 2 minutes before the shooting.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 13, 2024, 07:49:49 PM
You have rocket on ignore?
I do. Two months. Heisie, 13 months.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 13, 2024, 07:34:40 PM
Nope. And while I don't wish any innocent person harm, I think it's safe to say I'd rather have news about shootings at political rallies rather than at schools.
Rocky, you are the poster child for fookupedness, hey?
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 13, 2024, 07:51:43 PM
It's being reported a man with a gun on a roof was reported to SS and police 2 minutes before the shooting.
https://x.com/SharpFootball/status/1812265909727396107?s=19
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 13, 2024, 07:55:01 PM
Rocky, you are the poster child for fookupedness, hey?
Law dog will be by any minute to reprimand you
Quote from: Goose on July 13, 2024, 07:33:21 PM
Doc,
This place and the country is fxcked up. Anyone that does not think think is shocking is messed up.
I was at a public place, with diverse political points of view. Overall there was concern, but the largest general comment from individuals from both sides of the aisle was that given the pulse of the nation and how much vitriol and division there is, that they were surprised something like this hadn't already happened. So based on the bolded above, that would apply to a lot of people, and mostly those that occupy the more middle regions of the political spectrum.
Also, some absurd comments/thoughts/beliefs by individuals on the far edges of the political spectrum, but I'll leave those unsaid to avoid escalating political discussions. But lets just say there were a lot of unhinged comments from both far edges.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on July 13, 2024, 07:31:48 PM
Jockey and GBW are especially showing off how sick they are. But you're really not surprised, are you? The left in general is a very sick and evil movement as evidenced by the events of today.
According to every conceivable measure by law enforcement, there is far more politically-motivated violent crime committed by those on the right
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 13, 2024, 07:51:43 PM
It's being reported a man with a gun on a roof was reported to SS and police 2 minutes before the shooting.
Current regime's SS. Scary. This country needs a leader, not a sleeper.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 13, 2024, 07:55:01 PM
Rocky, you are the poster child for fookupedness, hey?
Thanks for the confirmation dentist.
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 13, 2024, 07:58:45 PM
Current regime's SS. Scary. This country needs a leader, not a sleeper.
I'll draw the line there. SS puts their lives on the line for career politicians daily. Do not disparage.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 13, 2024, 07:28:40 PM
There were days when an assassination attempt on a current, or former president was shocking news. These aren't those days.
Really? Presidents were shot in the 60s, 70s (Shot at, anyway) and 80s. Two other big political assassinations in the 60s. Has it happened in the last 40 years?
Quote from: tower912 on July 13, 2024, 07:52:48 PM
I do. Two months. Heisie, 13 months.
badge of honor! going for 3 months baby
i used to respect you tower for what you did and what you saw; your tough to see life experiences, but you've turned out to be a self righteous pompous piece of work thinking you are "all that"
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 13, 2024, 08:02:29 PM
Really? Presidents were shot in the 60s, 70s (Shot at, anyway) and 80s. Two other big political assassinations in the 60s. Has it happened in the last 40 years?
don't forget Steve scalise
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 13, 2024, 08:02:06 PM
I'll draw the line there. SS puts their lives on the line for career politicians daily. Do not disparage.
But not cops?
I'm not disparaging and have connections to the SS, but there are concerning commentaries emerging in this instance.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 13, 2024, 08:02:29 PM
Really? Presidents were shot in the 60s, 70s (Shot at, anyway) and 80s. Two other big political assassinations in the 60s. Has it happened in the last 40 years?
Born in 75, so most of those before my time. But again, based on general increase in shootings, more surprised politicians haven't been targeted more.
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 13, 2024, 08:04:39 PM
But not cops?
I'm not disparaging and have connections to the SS, but there are concerning commentaries emerging in this instance.
Being investigated isn't a "connection."
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 13, 2024, 08:04:39 PM
But not cops?
I don't doubt there are bad seed cops. SS goes through a much more rigorous process.
Your concerns are likely propaganda.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 13, 2024, 08:03:39 PM
badge of honor! going for 3 months baby
i used to respect you tower for what you did and what you saw; your tough to see life experiences, but you've turned out to be a self righteous pompous piece of work thinking you are "all that"
lawdog?
I still can't believe SS didn't rush him out of there. Just let him stand there with his upper body exposed for several seconds.
A completely general realization.
Listening to a lot of the interviews of "witnesses on the scene," you realize why 1st person witness accounts are historically unreliable and lead to conspiracy theories. We are already starting to see the seeds of conspiracy theories, including here on Scoop.
I've heard a lot of people saying they saw things, or in the heat of the matter reporting their observations, that deviate from what we currently know to be true. i.e. multiple gunmen, gunmen in the rally, and others.
Titan
I agree. He put himself at danger, even getting in the Tahoe.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 13, 2024, 08:07:56 PM
I still can't believe SS didn't rush him out of there. Just let him stand there with his upper body exposed for several seconds.
Shooter may have been down by then.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 13, 2024, 08:06:58 PM
I don't doubt there are bad seed cops. SS goes through a much more rigorous process.
Your concerns are likely propaganda.
Ahh. No bad seeds in the SS due to a more rigorous process. If that's your thinking, can't help you. Live in your fairytale world as you wish.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 13, 2024, 08:11:37 PM
Shooter may have been down by then.
Weird, we're being told they are slackers that didn't do their job...
Lots of shots can be heard. I doubt it was all "gunman". Hopefully we didn't lose a SS guy.
There will be a complete and thorough investigation. Blame will be assigned. Procedures will be examined. Heads will roll. Professionals take this stuff seriously and personally. The more professional they are, the more seriously they will take this and the process that follows.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 13, 2024, 08:11:37 PM
Shooter may have been down by then.
But how can you be sure there aren't others out there?
Titan
Pakman knows.
Quote from: Goose on July 13, 2024, 08:18:02 PM
Pakman knows.
Apparently goose does too. Go ahead and tell us the truth man!
Unbelievable. Condolences to those who lost their life or were injured. Sounds like Trump was about an inch from being killed. Our country is in serious peril. We really need to find a way to come together as a nation. This is not like another assassination attempts. We are as polarized as we have ever been and the extreme hatred on both sides is ubiquitous. Terrible day for our nation.
Muggs
Read this thread and determine if we can come together as a nation. There is too much hatred at the moment. Sadly, this might just be the start.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 13, 2024, 08:25:22 PM
Unbelievable. Condolences to those who lost their life or were injured. Sounds like Trump was about an inch from being killed. Our country is in serious peril. We really need to find a way to come together as a nation. This is not like another assassination attempts. We are as polarized as we have ever been and the extreme hatred on both sides is ubiquitous. Terrible day for our nation.
It's actually not that complicated. Just talk to some people "on the other side". I do it all the time. I learn some things. I debunk some things, we all have a good time.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 13, 2024, 08:17:16 PM
But how can you be sure there aren't others out there?
No idea. That's why I wrote "may have been."
I'm working off the idea that the SS agents were acting based on their training and the best information available to them at the time, which is almost certainly better information than we here have (except for Goose, obviously).
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 13, 2024, 08:27:57 PM
It's actually not that complicated. Just talk to some people "on the other side". I do it all the time. I learn some things. I debunk some things, we all have a good time.
I consistently talk to "people on the other side".
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 13, 2024, 08:31:19 PM
I consistently talk to "people on the other side.
Good! Then you are part of the solution you seek
Pak
I have no idea what point you and Rocky are trying to make about my post. I thought it was strange he was exposed, nothing else. I made no proclamation and simply agreed with Titan's post.
Goose, that is going to be one of the issues that is going to be dissected. Exposure. Metal detectors. Lines of fire. Events like this are not the result of only one mistake.
Quote from: tower912 on July 13, 2024, 08:38:09 PM
Goose, that is going to be one of the issues that is going to be dissected. Exposure. Metal detectors. Lines of fire. Events like this are not the result of only one mistake.
Not allowed! Rocky draws the line.
Quote from: tower912 on July 13, 2024, 08:14:39 PM
There will be a complete and thorough investigation. Blame will be assigned. Procedures will be examined. Heads will roll. Professionals take this stuff seriously and personally. The more professional they are, the more seriously they will take this and the process that follows.
This is the correct response.
I just hope that people don't try to politicize this. That would make a sad situation worse.
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 13, 2024, 08:40:05 PM
Not allowed! Rocky draws the line.
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We both know better, forgetful. The professionals are going to behave professionally. When the final report is released, will it be believed?
As I said earlier, this is going to be a sh!tshow.
Making history.
Greetings.
I don't suspect many here (though I suspect a few) have heard a bullet whizzing by their head. Scary as f*ck.
Yes.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 13, 2024, 08:55:55 PM
I don't suspect many here (though I suspect a few) have heard a bullet whizzing by their head. Scary as f*ck.
https://x.com/meridithmcgraw/status/1812291929951916167?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
Well timed photos.
Fair. I have never been shot at. I have been way too close to shots being fired in anger. Not a fan.
Quote from: tower912 on July 13, 2024, 09:00:29 PM
Fair. I have never been shot at. I have been way too close to shots being fired in anger. Not a fan.
I don't think I've ever been intentionally targeted. But maybe 4ever really has it in for me.
Edit: I have most likely been in wrong place(s) at the wrong time
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 13, 2024, 08:02:29 PM
Really? Presidents were shot in the 60s, 70s (Shot at, anyway) and 80s. Two other big political assassinations in the 60s. Has it happened in the last 40 years?
Gabby Giffords, shot in 2011. She released an eloquent and passionate statement tonight: "Political violence is terrifying. I know. I'm holding former President Trump, and all those affected by today's indefensible act of violence in my heart. Political violence is un-American and is never acceptable—never."
Scalise, as was already mentioned.
And, of course, Pence, Pelosi and numerous others were targeted on 1/6/21.
Quote from: MU82 on July 13, 2024, 09:22:53 PM
Gabby Giffords, shot in 2011. She released an eloquent and passionate statement tonight: "Political violence is terrifying. I know. I'm holding former President Trump, and all those affected by today's indefensible act of violence in my heart. Political violence is un-American and is never acceptable—never."
Scalise, as was already mentioned.
And, of course, Pence, Pelosi and numerous others were targeted on 1/6/21.
Why is she saying it's political violence? What info does she have that you and I do not?
Quote from: tower912 on July 13, 2024, 08:14:39 PM
There will be a complete and thorough investigation. Blame will be assigned. Procedures will be examined. Heads will roll. Professionals take this stuff seriously and personally. The more professional they are, the more seriously they will take this and the process that follows.
I wonder if there will be a "complete and thorough investigation" of National media folks like Joy Reid. Just days ago she called Trump "Hitler" multiple times while explaining how she would vote for Joe Biden even if he was in a coma. She didn't say "Hitler like" or fascist or compare him to Hitler. She said Donald Trump is Hitler and said it more than once. I think most Americans would consider someone shooting Hitler heroic. We reap what we sow.
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 13, 2024, 09:26:07 PM
Why is she saying it's political violence? What info does she have that you and I do not?
You think someone shooting at Trump is just looking for a random killing?
Dunce.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 13, 2024, 09:27:00 PM
I wonder if there will be a "complete and thorough investigation" of National media folks like Joy Reid. Just days ago she called Trump "Hitler" multiple times while explaining how she would vote for Joe Biden even if he was in a coma. She didn't say "Hitler like" or fascist or compare him to Hitler. She said Donald Trump is Hitler and said it more than once. I think most Americans would consider someone shooting Hitler anything short of heroic. We reap what we sow.
Wow. Lenny. Put away the reynolds wrap cap.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 13, 2024, 09:27:47 PM
You think someone shooting at Trump is just looking for a random killing?
Dunce.
If someone dislikes you, are we fair to assume it's a gay hate thing?
I don't know about the shooter in this instance. Could be a mentally ill freak who has been allowed to commit crimes over and over again. I'm wondering if she has confirmation on a political nature of this — apparently you believe it to be political. Seems like jumping to conclusions.
It's not a question of is it a) random or b), political. There are many other possibilities, dunce.
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 13, 2024, 09:36:37 PM
If someone dislikes you, are we fair to assume it's a gay hate thing?
I don't know about the shooter in this instance. Could be a mentally ill freak who has been allowed to commit crimes over and over again. I'm wondering if she has confirmation on a political nature of this — apparently you believe it to be political. Seems like jumping to conclusions.
It's not a question of is it a) random or b), political. There are many other possibilities, dunce.
Ok. I can not declare you totally sane.
Dodds, err, I mean Rocky.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 13, 2024, 09:27:00 PM
I wonder if there will be a "complete and thorough investigation" of National media folks like Joy Reid. Just days ago she called Trump "Hitler" multiple times while explaining how she would vote for Joe Biden even if he was in a coma. She didn't say "Hitler like" or fascist or compare him to Hitler. She said Donald Trump is Hitler and said it more than once. I think most Americans would consider someone shooting Hitler anything short of heroic. We reap what we sow.
Lenny coming out strong against the First Amendment tonight.
Meanwhile, it's the next one that is the real issue here.
Video appears to show SS snipers taking out the shooter moments after he got off his shots.
Hope that puts some minds at ease.
https://www.tmz.com/2024/07/13/new-video-secret-service-snipers-fire-gunman-roof-trump-rally/
Quote from: NCMUFan on July 13, 2024, 09:40:33 PM
Dodds, err, I mean Rocky.
Apparently the greatest. Thanks. Just ask dodds.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 13, 2024, 09:44:42 PM
Video appears to show SS snipers taking out the shooter moments after he got off his shots.
Hope that puts some minds at ease.
https://www.tmz.com/2024/07/13/new-video-secret-service-snipers-fire-gunman-roof-trump-rally/
At ease? Lol. So the current admins SS knew of the threat and acted late? If that's how it went down, not so good my ze
Quote from: Pakuni on July 13, 2024, 09:41:11 PM
Lenny coming out strong against the First Amendment tonight.
Meanwhile, it's the next one that is the real issue here.
You think that a national news reporter calling a presidential candidate Hitler isn't hate speech that can inspire violence? Sure.
A president who urges supporters to "march peacefully and patriotically" is guilty of treason but a news person saying an ex president and leading candidate to be the next president is merely expressing her 1st amendment rights as an American. Holy Shite.
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 13, 2024, 09:47:17 PM
At ease? Lol. So the current admins SS knew of the threat and acted late? If that's how it went down, not so good my ze
You have quite the imagination.
Sure it helps on those long, cold lonely nights up north.
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 13, 2024, 09:47:17 PM
At ease? Lol. So the current admins SS knew of the threat and acted late? If that's how it went down, not so good my ze
Haha
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 13, 2024, 09:47:55 PM
You think that a national news reporter calling a presidential candidate Hitler isn't hate speech that can inspire violence? Sure.
This you, dog?
There are a lot of people in the public square whose ideas I disagree with. Some of them I even think are dangerous. The last thing I want, though, is that they be "cancelled" because of what I think. That's not the way it's supposed to work here.https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=60617.msg1256120#msg1256120
Quote from: Pakuni on July 13, 2024, 09:54:56 PM
This you, dog?
There are a lot of people in the public square whose ideas I disagree with. Some of them I even think are dangerous. The last thing I want, though, is that they be "cancelled" because of what I think. That's not the way it's supposed to work here.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=60617.msg1256120#msg1256120
Speaking hate that inspires violence is different than having dumb opinions.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 13, 2024, 10:01:19 PM
Speaking hate that inspires violence is different than having dumb opinions.
Uh-huh. If you say so.
So, which Fox News hosts are going to jail over Paul Pelosi and 140 Capitol police officers?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 13, 2024, 10:01:19 PM
Speaking hate that inspires violence is different than having dumb opinions.
Calling someone Hitler is absolutely protected by the first amendment.
In order to not be protected it must both call for immediate lawless action AND be likely to cause that action.
Millions of guns, millions of mentally imbalanced people, millions of hours of disinformation/fear-mongering media dividing the country every hour of the day, hundreds of politicians being vilified. What could go wrong?
I'm shocked that assassination attempts haven't been happening with frequency over the past decade.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on July 13, 2024, 10:06:35 PM
I'm shocked that assassination attempts haven't been happening with frequency over the past decade.
Apparently, people will disagree with you :P
SS fail here. I fear for our country.
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 13, 2024, 10:11:00 PM
SS fail here. I fear for our country.
And we fear for you. Bro.
Here's what I'll say. This was a "lone wolf", not some big conspiracy. Otherwise it would have been caught. Likely indicates the shooter was intelligent. Had a plan, tried to execute, SS did it's job.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 13, 2024, 10:05:58 PM
Calling someone Hitler is absolutely protected by the first amendment.
In order to not be protected it must both call for immediate lawless action AND be likely to cause that action.
You don't think being told that Hitler is on the brink of taking over the USA could move someone to action? Please.
Shooter was 20 year old from PA.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 13, 2024, 10:33:41 PM
You don't think being told that Hitler is on the brink of taking over the USA could move someone to action? Please.
That's not what Satan said..
Also while you're adjudicating, we should talk about Jan 6 2021...
Anyone else getting ads for roofing while they are reading about the vantage point of the shooter?
Anyway here is correspondence from a journalist with someone who worked in the building. Seems like it was a baffling miss to not have it covered.
https://x.com/iwriteok/status/1812320668136182149?s=46&t=G2FhP_F2kWewaBOpvRv5lg
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on July 13, 2024, 10:56:34 PM
Anyone else getting ads for roofing while they are reading about the vantage point of the shooter?
I paid WAY TOO MUCH for a steel roof a couple years ago. But...I do live in hail country. Won't need another until I'm way past dead.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on July 13, 2024, 07:31:48 PM
Jockey and GBW are especially showing off how sick they are. But you're really not surprised, are you? The left in general is a very sick and evil movement as evidenced by the events of today.
Excuse me!!! Mental illness is supporting a man who tried to overthrow the government of the United States and than had his lawyers argue before the Supreme Court that he should literally have the right to assassinate his enemies.
So you were for assassination before you were against it.
Of course it is a terrible thing, but a party that argues for that right has no room to talk.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 13, 2024, 10:59:01 PM
I paid WAY TOO MUCH for a steel roof a couple years ago. But...I do live in hail country. Won't need another until I'm way past dead.
Upfront investment is tough to stomach but pays off in the long run. Very wise
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on July 13, 2024, 11:03:12 PM
Upfront investment is tough to stomach but pays off in the long run. Very wise
I live at about 9k ft. Was replacing a 13 year old roof that looked like it was 30 years old. I didn't want to replace a roof every 10 years. Though my forthcoming solar panels (attached via clamps to my standing seam metal roof...) should produce enough electric to counteract a few of your wasteful lifestyles.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 13, 2024, 10:26:03 PM
Here's what I'll say. This was a "lone wolf", not some big conspiracy. Otherwise it would have been caught. Likely indicates the shooter was intelligent. Had a plan, tried to execute, SS did it's job.
Its vs it's but wow. How do you know this?
We shall see, but my read is that you're a lunatic on this one
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 13, 2024, 11:08:38 PM
Its vs it's but wow. How do you know this?
We shall see, but my read is that you're a lunatic on this one
Dude. Your dude is safe. Take the win!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 13, 2024, 11:09:35 PM
Dude. Your dude is safe. Take the win!
Huh? I've never voted for Trump and likely never will.
The SS eff'd up.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 13, 2024, 11:09:35 PM
Dude. Your dude is safe. Take the win!
So following your logic here, Trump is not your guy, therefore a loss for your side opposing him that he's ok and escaped with a minor injury?
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on July 13, 2024, 11:22:30 PM
So following your logic here, Trump is not your guy, therefore a loss for your side opposing him that he's ok and escaped with a minor injury?
I'm sorry. I tried to follow your logic, but I can't. Please explain like I'm 5...
"Trump is not your guy, therefore a loss for your side opposing him that he's ok and escaped with a minor injury?"
They're drunk on rage and violence boners. They'll settle down in a bit
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on July 13, 2024, 11:33:53 PM
They're drunk on rage and violence boners. They'll settle down in a bit
Your not actually helping the civil discourse. But I really don't understand what Hutch was saying to me.
edit: you're for Just Blowjobs, I mean JB.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 13, 2024, 11:35:34 PM
Your not actually helping the civil discourse. But I really don't understand what Hutch was saying to me.
edit: you're for Just Blowjobs, I mean JB.
Thank you for proper respect. Dumba$$.
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 13, 2024, 11:38:57 PM
Thank you for proper respect. Dumba$$.
Compliments from you and 4ever. I must be doing something wright (sic, lol)
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 13, 2024, 11:27:21 PM
I'm sorry. I tried to follow your logic, but I can't. Please explain like I'm 5...
"Trump is not your guy, therefore a loss for your side opposing him that he's ok and escaped with a minor injury?"
You put it in the context of Trump being safe, so a "win" for who you perceived as a Trump supporter. What's the opposite side of that then? Isn't an American political candidate and fellow human being safe just a win period, regardless whether you support that person, loathe them, or in between?
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on July 14, 2024, 12:04:04 AM
You put it in the context of Trump being safe, so a "win" for who you perceived as a Trump supporter. What's the opposite side of that then? Isn't an American political candidate and fellow human being safe just a win period, regardless whether you support that person, loathe them, or in between?
I think "good people" being safe in this country should be a given. No?
Donkey ordered hit job on leading presidential candidate? Wouldn't that be interesting, hey?
"when you see something, say something"
well?
I know people who are in charge of security detail for "MVP's" it is very comprehensive and most times the research starts weeks in advance. they study everything from weather, traffic patterns, construction, alternative routes and yes, if I was a sniper, where would want to be?
the roof top where this jackwagon was , was probably the best sniper seat in the house!!
SS was alerted to a dude on the roof! umm, why was he even allowed to be there, much less with an AR? was the dude just trying to avoid the long lines to get into the venue, yeah right
the people could see a guy "bear crawling' on the roof with a rifle, they told police, and nothing??
this isn't too inflammatory and allowed per 1st amendment
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2017/live-updates/politics/womens-march-on-washington/madonna-says-shes-thought-about-blowing-up-the-white-house/
or how about this beauty from johnny depp...oh, he said he was sorry about that
https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/johnny-depp-when-was-last-time-actor-assassinated-president-n775881
According to rocket's and Herm's favorite publication, the shooter was a registered Republican.
https://nypost.com/2024/07/13/us-news/thomas-matthew-crooks-idd-as-gunman-who-shot-trump-during-pa-rally/
Edit: He also was wearing a T-shirt from Demolition Ranch, which describes itself as "a YouTube channel dedicated to making you smile with guns."
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-shooter-reportedly-wearing-demolition-ranch-merchandise-t-shirt-1924914
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 14, 2024, 12:15:10 AM
I think "good people" being safe in this country should be a given. No?
I think everyone agrees with this. GOP just has a different definition of 'people' and despite their bibles, lost the definition of "good"
Quote from: Pakuni on July 14, 2024, 06:18:27 AM
According to rocket's and Herm's favorite publication, the shooter was a registered Republican.
https://nypost.com/2024/07/13/us-news/thomas-matthew-crooks-idd-as-gunman-who-shot-trump-during-pa-rally/
fav publication?? nice try I might glace at it occasionally but fav??
save some cred by just posting the link sans the false dig might save you, but i'm sure you scored some points with your gang ey?
I remember when JP II was shot. Ultimately went into prison, met the shooter, forgave him and prayed for and with him. Lobbied to have his sentence commuted. It was, and the shooter returned to Turkey and converted to Carholicism.
Quote from: GB Warrior on July 14, 2024, 06:40:02 AM
I think everyone agrees with this. GOP just has a different definition of 'people' and despite their bibles, lost the definition of "good"
i'll help ya out and fix this for ya
I think everyone agrees with this. some people on both sides of the political spectrum just have a different definition of 'people' and despite their bibles, lost the definition of "good"
From CNN
In a news conference, Kevin Rojek, FBI special agent in charge of the Pittsburgh office, said it was "surprising" the gunman was able to fire multiple shots during the rally for Trump.
"We're still working through the security apparatus that the Secret Service had in place, what potentially happened," he said.
"There's going to be a long investigation into exactly what took place and how the individual was able to get access to the location, what type of weapon he had. All that is really days, weeks, and months of investigation."
Lt. Col. George Bivens of the Pennsylvania State Police added that the investigation would allow authorities to "take a look at where any failures occurred and what can be done better in the future."
"In their defense," Bivens added, "it is incredibly difficult to have a venue open to the public and secure that against any possible threat against a very determined attacker."
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/14/politics/trump-rally-shooting-distance/index.html
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 13, 2024, 10:33:41 PM
You don't think being told that Hitler is on the brink of taking over the USA could move someone to action? Please.
It might. But that's not the standard. Incitement means that it is likely to cause immediate unlawfulness.
A reporter calling Trump Hitler isn't likely to cause immediate unlawfulness, and therefore 100% protected.
Now if said reporter said outside one of his rallies on a bullhorn, "Trump is Hitler! Someone needs to go inside and shoot him now!" That's incitement and therefore not protected.
Quote from: NCMUFan on July 14, 2024, 07:05:53 AM
From CNN
In a news conference, Kevin Rojek, FBI special agent in charge of the Pittsburgh office, said it was "surprising" the gunman was able to fire multiple shots during the rally for Trump.
"We're still working through the security apparatus that the Secret Service had in place, what potentially happened," he said.
"There's going to be a long investigation into exactly what took place and how the individual was able to get access to the location, what type of weapon he had. All that is really days, weeks, and months of investigation."
Lt. Col. George Bivens of the Pennsylvania State Police added that the investigation would allow authorities to "take a look at where any failures occurred and what can be done better in the future."
"In their defense," Bivens added, "it is incredibly difficult to have a venue open to the public and secure that against any possible threat against a very determined attacker."
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/14/politics/trump-rally-shooting-distance/index.html
A rooftop 150 yards away should be basic to make sure is secure and potential threat neutralized. I understand the FBI and authorities are being careful what they put out for public consumption in a very fresh and layered investigation, but come on Bivens.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 14, 2024, 06:05:36 AM
this isn't too inflammatory and allowed per 1st amendment
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2017/live-updates/politics/womens-march-on-washington/madonna-says-shes-thought-about-blowing-up-the-white-house/
or how about this beauty from johnny depp...oh, he said he was sorry about that
https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/johnny-depp-when-was-last-time-actor-assassinated-president-n775881
Yep. Those are both protected by the first amendment. Yay Bill of Rights!
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on July 14, 2024, 07:16:57 AM
A rooftop 150 yards away should be basic to make sure is secure and potential threat neutralized. I understand the FBI and authorities are being careful what they put out for public consumption in a very fresh and layered investigation, but come on Bivens.
Right. It's best for people to let the investigation run its course and not put anything out there right now.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 14, 2024, 06:18:27 AM
According to rocket's and Herm's favorite publication, the shooter was a registered Republican.
https://nypost.com/2024/07/13/us-news/thomas-matthew-crooks-idd-as-gunman-who-shot-trump-during-pa-rally/
Edit: He also was wearing a T-shirt from Demolition Ranch, which describes itself as "a YouTube channel dedicated to making you smile with guns."
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-shooter-reportedly-wearing-demolition-ranch-merchandise-t-shirt-1924914
the rest of the story
"Records show he made a $15 donation to Progressive Turnout Project, a Chicago-based political action committee that supports Democrat candidates for public office and claims to advocate for "key Democratic constituencies: young people, minorities and low-income people."
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 14, 2024, 07:20:13 AM
Right. It's best for people to let the investigation run its course and not put anything out there right now.
Yes, but it sure seems inevitable some heads better roll on not only how that little bastard gained roof access, but how in the world ordinary citizens were more alert than law enforcement of Crooks status up there, even going up there. They have at least one fatality to answer for.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 14, 2024, 07:21:27 AM
the rest of the story
"Records show he made a $15 donation to Progressive Turnout Project, a Chicago-based political action committee that supports Democrat candidates for public office and claims to advocate for "key Democratic constituencies: young people, minorities and low-income people."
It's $15 more than three years ago when he would have been 17. Obviously his registering as a Republican and gun enthusiasm would seem to be more recent reflections of his views.
But I understand that straws must be grasped at a time like this.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 14, 2024, 07:21:27 AM
the rest of the story
"Records show he made a $15 donation to Progressive Turnout Project, a Chicago-based political action committee that supports Democrat candidates for public office and claims to advocate for "key Democratic constituencies: young people, minorities and low-income people."
Yeah, he wasn't gunning for Trump because he had it out for redheaded people.
need some explanations for this-guy describes what he observed BEFORE the shooting had occurred
https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/c51yly4085lo
It's a little weird toe that there weren't a couple of drones observing the area before this all happened.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 13, 2024, 10:26:03 PM
Here's what I'll say. This was a "lone wolf", not some big conspiracy. Otherwise it would have been caught. Likely indicates the shooter was intelligent. Had a plan, tried to execute, SS did it's job.
Geeze it's like ... Yeah
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/donald-trump-rally-shooting-assassination-attempt/shooter-believed-to-be-a-lone-wolf-law-enforcement-source-111921954?id=111916828
Also, everyone claiming negligent SS ignoring that the counter sniper team shot and killed him in seconds.
Interesting to see the Board split, perhaps more so on this soon-to-be-locked thread than elsewhere. Looks like the elder boomers v. the young 'uns. Lots of pent up vitriol being vented. Conspiracy theories being germinated without any evidence. Borderline personal insults. Thinking everyone should step back and take a breath. I have plenty of friends with differing political opinions. It's silly to me to blow up relationships over politics. Lower the temperature here.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 14, 2024, 07:32:44 AM
It's $15 more than three years ago when he would have been 17. Obviously his registering as a Republican and gun enthusiasm would seem to be more recent reflections of his views.
But I understand that straws must be grasped at a time like this.
And you're sure doing so. I'd go on and further explain but why bother
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on July 14, 2024, 07:41:57 AM
Interesting to see the Board split, perhaps more so on this soon-to-be-locked thread than elsewhere. Looks like the elder boomers v. the young 'uns. Lots of pent up vitriol being vented. Conspiracy theories being germinated without any evidence. Borderline personal insults. Thinking everyone should step back and take a breath. I have plenty of friends with differing political opinions. It's silly to me to blow up relationships over politics. Lower the temperature here.
People have gotten way too much into politics. And it's unhealthy.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on July 14, 2024, 07:43:55 AM
And you're sure doing so. I'd go on and further explain but why bother
Just stating known facts. You're free to interpret them as you please.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 14, 2024, 07:40:05 AM
Geeze it's like ... Yeah
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/donald-trump-rally-shooting-assassination-attempt/shooter-believed-to-be-a-lone-wolf-law-enforcement-source-111921954?id=111916828
Also, everyone claiming negligent SS ignoring that the counter sniper team shot and killed him in seconds.
Taking down an assassin is one of their duties. The main responsibility is neutralize any potential threats. The idea is proactive, not just reactive. A family is in mourning today.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on July 14, 2024, 07:49:21 AM
Taking down an assassin is one of their duties. The main responsibility is neutralize any potential threats. The idea is proactive, not just reactive. A family is in mourning today.
Even "eyewitness" Greg says he climbed up on the roof after the thing started, and was likely difficult to see.
Again, threat neutralized quickly. Agreed, I'm sad that someone (presumably innocent) also died. But you're discounting how quickly this situation was "resolved". Judge, jury, and executioner did their job.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 14, 2024, 08:00:46 AM
Even "eyewitness" Greg says he climbed up on the roof after the thing started, and was likely difficult to see.
Again, threat neutralized quickly. Agreed, I'm sad that someone (presumably innocent) also died. But you're discounting how quickly this situation was "resolved". Judge, jury, and executioner did their job.
I mean why not wait for tbe investigation? I think we need to know what they did before shots were fired.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 14, 2024, 08:03:40 AM
I mean why not wait for tbe investigation? I think we need to know what they did before shots were fired.
I'm fine waiting, but I'm also not the one saying SS failed.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 14, 2024, 08:07:34 AM
I'm fine waiting, but I'm also not the one saying SS failed.
Understood. We will find out quickly what happened.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 14, 2024, 08:03:40 AM
I mean why not wait for tbe investigation? I think we need to know what they did before shots were fired.
You are correct, Muggsy.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 14, 2024, 08:03:40 AM
I mean why not wait for tbe investigation? I think we need to know what they did before shots were fired.
Right, both the attempted assassin and the SS.
Can we agree the ability to take multi-shots by the assassin is an established fact?
It appears we need the "Scoop Commission".
Quote from: NCMUFan on July 14, 2024, 08:19:55 AM
Right, both the attempted assassin and the SS.
Can we agree the ability to take multi-shots by the assassin is an established fact?
It appears we need the "Scoop Commission".
Yes.
It seems like this shooter has the same profile as a lot of school shooters. He was a loner, gun nut, outcast, loser. He probably wanted to die and be remembered for something along the way.
Thoughts and prayers for Birmingham.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 14, 2024, 08:38:27 AM
It seems like this shooter has the same profile as a lot of school shooters. He was a loner, gun nut, outcast, loser. He probably wanted to die and be remembered for something along the way.
And as in many of those cases (and Highland Park) it appears the parents bought their troubled child a gun.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on July 14, 2024, 07:30:51 AM
Yes, but it sure seems inevitable some heads better roll on not only how that little bastard gained roof access, but how in the world ordinary citizens were more alert than law enforcement of Crooks status up there, even going up there. They have at least one fatality to answer for.
You'd think so.
But, IMO, the outcome is not going to be significantly different than other public, mass shootings like Uvalde. Relatively little accountability
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 13, 2024, 09:47:55 PM
You think that a national news reporter calling a presidential candidate Hitler isn't hate speech that can inspire violence? Sure.
A president who urges supporters to "march peacefully and patriotically" is guilty of treason but a news person saying an ex president and leading candidate to be the next president is merely expressing her 1st amendment rights as an American. Holy crape.
rocky's edit: MU82 disagrees with Lenny.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 14, 2024, 08:03:40 AM
I mean why not wait for tbe investigation? I think we need to know what they did before shots were fired.
You are responding to the wrong person. Rocky is stating facts. It is others who are Monday Morning QB'ing the security as a way to suggest gross wrongdoing by the SS (including your question on Drones...Why not wait?).
You even have at least one (JB) on here already postulating as to the possibility of this being a Democratic ordered/hired assassin.
Most of here are waiting for an investigation and are keeping a very politically neutral stance.
Others are already pivoting to making this political, and in many cases contradicting previous stances of their own regarding speech, while MMQ'ing security decisions.
Ronny Jackson
Mike Collins
Good stuff
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 14, 2024, 07:45:03 AM
People have gotten way too much into politics. And it's unhealthy.
Tribalism. Team sports. Fear.
I love guns.
https://x.com/LtTimMcMillan/status/1812383798740324380?s=19
Explanation from former presidential security officer
My conclusion of events, 1 of 2 possibilities:
1. Biden admin finally decided to act after the presidential immunity ruling
Or
2. Trump campaign planned this out
Nothing else makes sense
Consensus Leadership of an entire Nation is something few will be able to achieve in the modern era with all our various forms of media and instant information.
The days of the Lincoln Douglas Debate are long gone. No honest civil discourse any more from the media has also contributed.
Last time this country had anything close to an honest National Discussion was in Gerald Fords presidency. In Fords press conferences he would respond to reporters with a discussion of both sides view of an issue. Then he would give his view and why that was his view.
Reagan was a unique character who knew how to control the media. However by 1988, the negative political environment roots had started to take hold . Over the years this negative campaigning has resulted in a very polarized Republic.
My guess is sometime in the next 100 years our Country will split into 4 or 5 Republics .
Quote from: jesmu84 on July 14, 2024, 10:26:36 AM
My conclusion of events, 1 of 2 possibilities:
1. Biden admin finally decided to act after the presidential immunity ruling
Or
2. Trump campaign planned this out
Nothing else makes sense
Yes, I realize your post is not meant to be serious, but...,
#1 is ridiculous considering everything we know about Biden. But taking your assumption into consideration, I have 2 things come to mind. 1) that they would hire some crazy 20 year old to do the job, and 2) it wouldn't matter since it would be perfectly legal to carry this out.
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 14, 2024, 10:39:35 AM
Consensus Leadership of an entire Nation is something few will be able to achieve in the modern era with all our various forms of media and instant information.
The days of the Lincoln Douglas Debate are long gone. No honest civil discourse any more from the media has also contributed.
Last time this country had anything close to an honest National Discussion was in Gerald Fords presidency. In Fords press conferences he would respond to reporters with a discussion of both sides view of an issue. Then he would give his view and why that was his view.
Reagan was a unique character who knew how to control the media. However by 1988, the negative political environment roots had started to take hold . Over the years this negative campaigning has resulted in a very polarized Republic.
My guess is sometime in the next 100 years our Country will split into 4 or 5 Republics .
The worst person you know just made a great point.meme
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 13, 2024, 11:35:34 PM
Your not actually helping the civil discourse. But I really don't understand what Hutch was saying to me.
edit: you're for Just Blowjobs, I mean JB.
Setting a good example for the children is important, I know.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on July 13, 2024, 10:06:35 PM
Millions of guns, millions of mentally imbalanced people, millions of hours of disinformation/fear-mongering media dividing the country every hour of the day, hundreds of politicians being vilified. What could go wrong?
I'm shocked that assassination attempts haven't been happening with frequency over the past decade.
This.
Suddenly people are stunned that the leopard decided to eat their faces.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on July 14, 2024, 11:16:01 AM
This.
Suddenly people are stunned that the leopard decided to eat their faces.
Yep. Anybody that is surprised this happened isn't being honest with themselves. It was just a question of time.
Quote from: tower912 on July 13, 2024, 08:14:39 PM
There will be a complete and thorough investigation. Blame will be assigned. Procedures will be examined. Heads will roll. Professionals take this stuff seriously and personally. The more professional they are, the more seriously they will take this and the process that follows.
. Whose head has rolled in the Biden administration for anything? C'mon man!
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on July 14, 2024, 11:41:17 AM
. Whose head has rolled in the Biden administration for anything? C'mon man!
A whole bunch of people have left or have been pushed out of the administration.
Quote from: HansMoleman on July 14, 2024, 12:01:18 PM
More than weed?
Can't kill lotsa people with weed.
I tried killin' em with weed, but they just get friendlier and eat my food.
Quote from: HansMoleman on July 14, 2024, 12:01:18 PM
More than weed?
It's harder to get weed in most places and more likely to and you in the back of a cop car.
Quote from: MU82 on July 14, 2024, 09:46:22 AM
rocky's edit: MU82 disagrees with Lenny.
My response to Lenny was both respectful (unlike many here) and fact-filled, but OK.
Bullied loner who wore hunting gear to school.
https://x.com/MeghanKDKA/status/1812508130745716962
Quote from: jesmu84 on July 14, 2024, 10:25:25 AM
https://x.com/LtTimMcMillan/status/1812383798740324380?s=19
Explanation from former presidential security officer
Good stuff. Thanks for sharing that.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 14, 2024, 12:32:36 PM
Bullied loner who wore hunting gear to school.
https://x.com/MeghanKDKA/status/1812508130745716962
A republican's dream candidate to own an assault rifle. Many people on this board have voted for this assassin's right to bear arms.
Quote from: Jockey on July 14, 2024, 12:40:51 PM
A republican's dream candidate to own an assault rifle. Many people on this board have voted for this assassin's right to bear arms.
What part of 'shall not be infringed' don't you understand? Some sacrifices must be made so that we can be truly free.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 14, 2024, 12:32:36 PM
Bullied loner who wore hunting gear to school.
https://x.com/MeghanKDKA/status/1812508130745716962
Surely more information to come out, but this is looking more and more like it had nothing to do with politics, and more in line with every other mass shooter
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 14, 2024, 12:47:35 PM
What part of 'shall not be infringed' don't you understand? Some sacrifices must be made so that we can be truly free.
Sorry. I will gladly sacrifice children at the altar of the 2nd amendment from now on.
Quote from: forgetful on July 14, 2024, 01:05:58 PM
Surely more information to come out, but this is looking more and more like it had nothing to do with politics, and more in line with every other mass shooter
In the age of 24/7 mass media coverage, suicide by cop is a great way to get attention. Suicide by secret service gets you remembered for a long time.
Quote from: forgetful on July 14, 2024, 01:05:58 PM
Surely more information to come out, but this is looking more and more like it had nothing to do with politics, and more in line with every other mass shooter
That won't stop Ronny Jackson, JD Vance or Mike Collins though
https://x.com/alphafox78/status/1812566405063078187?s=46&t=MgFcVSyNZ3trQo7jtjCxVg
Guess who?
Quote from: noblewarrior on July 14, 2024, 03:27:03 PM
https://x.com/alphafox78/status/1812566405063078187?s=46&t=MgFcVSyNZ3trQo7jtjCxVg
Guess who?
It's not him. You've fallen for a hoax, I'm afraid.
Unless he was a student at Arizona State University while also attending high school in Pennsylvania.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7974217/Shocking-moment-ASU-student-yells-Slash-Republican-throats-Trumps-acquittal.html
Quote from: Pakuni on July 14, 2024, 03:44:52 PM
It's not him. You've fallen for a hoax, I'm afraid.
Unless he was a student at Arizona State University while also attending high school in Pennsylvania.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7974217/Shocking-moment-ASU-student-yells-Slash-Republican-throats-Trumps-acquittal.html
Noblewarrior's posting history doesn't suggest he falls for hosts. Not at all. 🙄🙄🙄
Quote from: Pakuni on July 14, 2024, 03:44:52 PM
It's not him. You've fallen for a hoax, I'm afraid.
Unless he was a student at Arizona State University while also attending high school in Pennsylvania.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7974217/Shocking-moment-ASU-student-yells-Slash-Republican-throats-Trumps-acquittal.html
it's not 'him'... but it is 'him'.. the archetype.. and for 'him', this double murder and assassination attempt was politically motivated and encouraged by the escalation in anti-Trump rhetoric from the political left and their msm enablers.
Quote from: noblewarrior on July 14, 2024, 03:53:55 PM
it's not 'him'... but it is 'him'.. the archetype.. and for 'him', this double murder and assassination attempt was politically motivated and encourages by the escalation in anti-Trump rhetoric from the political left and their msm enablers.
Lol
Quote from: noblewarrior on July 14, 2024, 03:53:55 PM
it's not 'him'... but it is 'him'.. the archetype.. and for 'him', this double murder and assassination attempt was politically motivated and encouraged by the escalation in anti-Trump rhetoric from the political left and their msm enablers.
That's not a fair characterization of registered Republicans.
Honestly, just admit you were mistaken and move on. People might actually respect you for that.
An hour before the rally, trump tweeted:
" ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE IN ONE HOUR! When I take the rally stage, I could be making a MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT that's sure to strike FEAR into the hearts of our DEEP STATE ENEMIES."
Violence begets violence.
When you call for violence on a regular basis, sometimes you get what you asked for.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 14, 2024, 03:44:52 PM
It's not him. You've fallen for a hoax, I'm afraid.
Unless he was a student at Arizona State University while also attending high school in Pennsylvania.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7974217/Shocking-moment-ASU-student-yells-Slash-Republican-throats-Trumps-acquittal.html
jockbreath re-enrolled at asu to complete his degree and get his diploma
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 14, 2024, 04:06:05 PM
jockbreath re-enrolled at asu to complete his degree and get his diploma
Probably a better education than Marquette's mouth mechanic degree, eh?
Quote from: noblewarrior on July 14, 2024, 03:53:55 PM
it's not 'him'... but it is 'him'.. the archetype.. and for 'him', this double murder and assassination attempt was politically motivated and encouraged by the escalation in anti-Trump rhetoric from the political left and their msm enablers.
Bwahahahahaha!!!!
Quote from: Jockey on July 14, 2024, 04:00:44 PM
An hour before the rally, trump tweeted:
" ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE IN ONE HOUR! When I take the rally stage, I could be making a MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT that's sure to strike FEAR into the hearts of our DEEP STATE ENEMIES."
Violence begets violence.
When you call for violence on a regular basis, sometimes you get what you asked for.
What he tweeted above was not a call for violence. There is zero reason to blame the victim here.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 14, 2024, 04:17:43 PM
What he tweeted above was not a call for violence. There is zero reason to blame the victim here.
10/10. No notes
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 14, 2024, 04:17:43 PM
What he tweeted above was not a call for violence. There is zero reason to blame the victim here.
Some people see threats as a form of violence. If you don't, that is fine
If you're claiming he doesn't often call for violence, let me know and I'll give you a quick list. Maybe calling for Miley to be executed would be #1. Or maybe wanting to shoot shoplifters who are mostly teenagers. But the are a myriad of contenders.
Prayers for the family of the deceased.
He died throwing himself on top of his wife and daughter and taking the bullet for them.
Quote from: tower912 on July 14, 2024, 04:40:04 PM
Prayers for the family of the deceased.
I agree 100%.
Quote from: Jockey on July 14, 2024, 04:38:21 PM
Some people see threats as a form of violence. If you don't, that is fine
If you're claiming he doesn't often call for violence, let me know and I'll give you a quick list. Maybe calling for Miley to be executed would be #1. Or maybe wanting to shoot shoplifters who are mostly teenagers. But the are a myriad of contenders.
Oh. So when you quoted the tweet and claimed it was a call for violence, even though it clearly is not, that's not what you meant.
Brainless nonsense.
Quote from: Jockey on July 14, 2024, 04:38:21 PM
Some people see threats as a form of violence. If you don't, that is fine
Threatening to make a MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT is in no fathomable way a form of violence.
Quote from: Jockey on July 14, 2024, 04:00:44 PM
An hour before the rally, trump tweeted:
" ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE IN ONE HOUR! When I take the rally stage, I could be making a MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT that's sure to strike FEAR into the hearts of our DEEP STATE ENEMIES."
Violence begets violence.
When you call for violence on a regular basis, sometimes you get what you asked for.
A ignominious comment of the highest degree. You should be ashamed of yourself. Apologize right now to the former President, the victims at the rally, and everyone here for that matter. Totally inexcusable Jockey. This is 100% the last thing anyone needs right now.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 14, 2024, 04:57:16 PM
An ignominious comment of the highest degree. You should be ashamed of yourself. Apologize right now to the former President, tbe victims at the rally, and everyone here for that matter. Totally inexcusable Jockey. This is 100% the last thing anyone needs right now.
Calm down. Learn to hyperbolize less.
Quote from: noblewarrior on July 14, 2024, 03:53:55 PM
it's not 'him'... but it is 'him'.. the archetype.. and for 'him', this double murder and assassination attempt was politically motivated and encouraged by the escalation in anti-Trump rhetoric from the political left and their msm enablers.
"OK, sure, it isn't him, but it's really him, and also I'm going to insert a lot of alternative facts that are false claims that are easily disproven, but I'm going say them--and believe them with all my heart--even though they aren't true."
LOL
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 14, 2024, 04:42:02 PM
Oh. So when you quoted the tweet and claimed it was a call for violence, even though it clearly is not, that's not what you meant.
Brainless nonsense.
Telling your enemies that they need to fear you when you become the most powerful man on earth is absolutely a threat given his history.
Quote from: Jockey on July 14, 2024, 05:01:07 PM
Telling your enemies that they need to fear you when you become the most powerful man on earth is absolutely a threat given his history.
A threat? Sure. A violent threat? Nope.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 14, 2024, 04:57:16 PM
A ignominious comment of the highest degree. You should be ashamed of yourself. Apologize right now to the former President, tbe victims at the rally, and everyone here for that matter. Totally inexcusable Jockey. This is 100% the last thing anyone needs right now.
"We will immediately stop all of the pillaging and theft. Very simply: If you rob a store, you can fully expect to be shot as you are leaving that store." Should I also apologize because he threatened to murder 30,000,000 people including an 5,000,000 kids.
Or maybe I should apologize for inciting violence on Jan. 6. Or for his call to execute General Milley. Please forgive me.
As someone who has voted to support the right of mentally ill people to buy assault rifles, YOU need to apologize.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 14, 2024, 05:05:13 PM
A threat? Sure. A violent threat? Nope.
Fair enough. We see things differently which is kinda the reason to have a chat board.
Quote from: Jockey on July 14, 2024, 05:10:45 PM
Fair enough. We see things differently which is kinda the reason to have a chat board.
You are literally wrong. It's not a matter of opinion.
Quote from: noblewarrior on July 14, 2024, 03:53:55 PM
it's not 'him'... but it is 'him'.. the archetype.. and for 'him', this double murder and assassination attempt was politically motivated and encouraged by the escalation in anti-Trump rhetoric from the political left and their msm enablers.
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Quote from: Jockey on July 14, 2024, 05:09:36 PM
"We will immediately stop all of the pillaging and theft. Very simply: If you rob a store, you can fully expect to be shot as you are leaving that store." Should I also apologize because he threatened to murder 30,000,000 people including an 5,000,000 kids.
Or maybe I should apologize for inciting violence on Jan. 6. Or for his call to execute General Milley. Please forgive me.
As someone who has voted to support the right of mentally ill people to buy assault rifles, YOU need to apologize.
Uh-huh. In your world everyone who has ever voted for a Republican, let alone Trump, is responsible for Jan 6th and every gun murder in the history of the United States. Especially school shootings and things you can politicize. We are either going to unify after something like this or behave like a fking assclown and exacerbate the situation tenfold, like you're doing now. Think about what you wrote and deal with reality.
Let's be honest here...
How's many y'all would have rejoiced and been relieved had Trump been killed yesterday, hey?
Quote from: tower912 on July 13, 2024, 08:14:39 PM
There will be a complete and thorough investigation. Blame will be assigned. Procedures will be examined. Heads will roll. Professionals take this stuff seriously and personally. The more professional they are, the more seriously they will take this and the process that follows.
The problem is the SS is now full of DEI, including the leader, so "professionalism" is no longer the most important characteristic.
I'm not an expert, and I'm sure Trump is not easy to handle, but the post-shooting display of amateurism by the SS is deplorable. Was there similar amateurism pre-shooting?
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 14, 2024, 05:39:04 PM
Uh-huh. In your world everyone who has ever voted for a Republican, let alone Trump, is responsible for Jan 6th and every gun murder in the history of the United States. Especially school shootings and things you can politicize. We are either going to unify after something like this or behave like a fking assclown and exacerbate the situation tenfold, like you're doing now. Think about what you wrote and deal with reality.
Not even close to what I said. Try again.
But if you can give me examples of Biden threatening to murder people, go ahead.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 14, 2024, 06:14:20 PM
Let's be honest here...
How's many y'all would have rejoiced and been relieved had Trump been killed yesterday, hey?
Mark me down as officially against assassinations of current or past U.S. presidents and, if we can extend this further, against all political violence.
Would you be able to mark yourself down for the same? Maybe not, given the way you've justified the actions of the 1/6/21 "patriots" and the Charlottesville neo-Nazis, among others. Stand back and stand by, baby!
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 14, 2024, 06:14:20 PM
Let's be honest here...
How's many y'all would have rejoiced and been relieved had Trump been killed yesterday, hey?
I sure hope none, 4E
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 14, 2024, 06:14:20 PM
Let's be honest here...
How's many y'all would have rejoiced and been relieved had Trump been killed yesterday, hey?
Pretty much every Dem is against a prez being able to imprison and kill people. Give me a list of Rs who spoke out against SCOTUS ruling.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 14, 2024, 06:14:20 PM
Let's be honest here...
How's many y'all would have rejoiced and been relieved had Trump been killed yesterday, hey?
I condemn violence.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 14, 2024, 06:20:45 PM
I guess you don't understand words.
If it was any other politician, I would agree with you. After 8 years, we all know exactly what he means when he says he is going to strike fear into Dems.
But pretend away.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 14, 2024, 06:14:20 PM
Let's be honest here...
How's many y'all would have rejoiced and been relieved had Trump been killed yesterday, hey?
https://www.choosingtherapy.com/projection/
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 14, 2024, 04:15:54 PM
Probably a better education than Marquette's mouth mechanic degree, eh?
He got his degree from Marquette? I thought it was from Trump University.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 14, 2024, 06:14:20 PM
Let's be honest here...
How's many y'all would have rejoiced and been relieved had Trump been killed yesterday, hey?
Next time just take half of the pill.
Quote from: WarriorFan on July 14, 2024, 06:17:10 PM
The problem is the SS is now full of DEI, including the leader, so "professionalism" is no longer the most important characteristic.
I'm not an expert, and I'm sure Trump is not easy to handle, but the post-shooting display of amateurism by the SS is deplorable. Was there similar amateurism pre-shooting?
Bank fails? Blame DEI.
Plane manufacturer make shoddy product? Blame DEI.
Train derails? Blame DEI.
Cargo ship hits bridge? Blame DEI.
Ex-President gets shot? Blame DEI.
You people are as unimaginative as you are dumb.
Quote from: WarriorFan on July 14, 2024, 06:17:10 PM
The problem is the SS is now full of DEI, including the leader, so "professionalism" is no longer the most important characteristic.
I'm not an expert, and I'm sure Trump is not easy to handle, but the post-shooting display of amateurism by the SS is deplorable. Was there similar amateurism pre-shooting?
This is one of the saddest, and most ignorant comments I've seen on scoop. And that is saying something.
4e, how would you have reacted if Biden had been shot?
Quote from: WarriorFan on July 14, 2024, 06:17:10 PM
The problem is the SS is now full of DEI, including the leader, so "professionalism" is no longer the most important characteristic.
Polly want a cracker?
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 14, 2024, 05:39:04 PM
Uh-huh. In your world everyone who has ever voted for a Republican, let alone Trump, is responsible for Jan 6th and every gun murder in the history of the United States. Especially school shootings and things you can politicize. We are either going to unify after something like this or behave like a fking assclown and exacerbate the situation tenfold, like you're doing now. Think about what you wrote and deal with reality.
So, do you think this attempted murder will cause Republicans to do anything re gun laws? Will it change anything at all, even one iota?
Quote from: forgetful on July 14, 2024, 06:47:39 PM
This is one of the saddest, and most ignorant comments I've seen on scoop. And that is saying something.
Bingo. Maybe out does anything by Chikos, Keefe, and Rocket. I had no idea who the head of the Service was so I looked it up and its a white woman.
Quote from: Mutaman on July 14, 2024, 06:51:54 PM
Bingo. Maybe out does anything by Chikos, Keefe, and Rocket. I had no idea who the head of the Service was so I looked it up and its a white woman.
Standard fare for the Daily Wire crowd
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on July 14, 2024, 06:51:03 PM
So, do you think this attempted murder will cause Republicans to do anything re gun laws? Will it change anything at all, even one iota?
Given that the immediate reaction of many on the right was to immediately blame democrats, I think it's probably only slightly optimistic to think that they'll do anything other than to create fear and division and then fundraise off of that.
Quote from: Jockey on July 14, 2024, 06:29:04 PM
If it was any other politician, I would agree with you. After 8 years, we all know exactly what he means when he says he is going to strike fear into Dems.
But pretend away.
You're just being an idiot. It wasn't a violent threat. Multiple people have called you out on this.
You're just wrong.
Quote from: tower912 on July 14, 2024, 06:49:03 PM
4e, how would you have reacted if Biden had been shot?
Easy answer here Fahrenheit. I wish Biden many things, but death is not one of them, hey?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on July 14, 2024, 07:15:25 PM
Given that the immediate reaction of many on the right was to immediately blame democrats, I think it's probably only slightly optimistic to think that they'll do anything other than to create fear and division and then fundraise off of that.
Immediate and continuing...
Quote from: Jockey on July 14, 2024, 06:19:53 PM
Not even close to what I said. Try again.
But if you can give me examples of Biden threatening to murder people, go ahead.
"We're done talking about the debate. It's time to put Trump in the bullseye,"
But I know, its not as inciteful as saying peaceably and patriotically protest...
Melania, welcome to the resistance
https://x.com/OsitaNwanevu/status/1812515420160623004?t=4SdELPSXA441faAhsondvQ&s=19
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on July 14, 2024, 07:40:43 PM
"We're done talking about the debate. It's time to put Trump in the bullseye,"
But I know, its not as inciteful as saying peaceably and patriotically protest...
See post immediately above yours and stop being a dolt.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on July 14, 2024, 07:45:16 PM
See post immediately above yours and stop being a dolt.
He's being spoon-fed nonsense.
Quote from: GB Warrior on July 14, 2024, 07:44:36 PM
Melania, welcome to the resistance
https://x.com/OsitaNwanevu/status/1812515420160623004?t=4SdELPSXA441faAhsondvQ&s=19
I wonder who wrote that for her
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on July 14, 2024, 07:45:16 PM
See post immediately above yours and stop being a dolt.
Reality isn't important to those that have retconned J6 into Trump wanting a peaceful protest.
A former classmate of the 20-year-old man who tried unsuccessfully to kill former President Donald Trump at a Pennsylvania rally on Saturday recalled him being staunchly to the right of the political spectrum. "He definitely was conservative," Max R. Smith told The Philadelphia Inquirer of Thomas Crooks. "It makes me wonder why he would carry out an assassination attempt on the conservative candidate."
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-rally-gunman-thomas-crooks-was-definitely-conservative-classmate-recalls
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 14, 2024, 07:22:58 PM
You're just being an idiot. It wasn't a violent threat. Multiple people have called you out on this.
You're just wrong.
Did they have tears in their eyes? If you have to invoke trump's manner of speaking, the battle is lost.
Regardless, if he gets in office, we will re-visit our remarks here. If he loses (and fails in his 2nd coup attempt), the point is moot.
He has already said he will be a dictator if elected, so I think the threat is well understood without a specific threat of violence.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 14, 2024, 07:49:06 PM
A former classmate of the 20-year-old man who tried unsuccessfully to kill former President Donald Trump at a Pennsylvania rally on Saturday recalled him being staunchly to the right of the political spectrum. "He definitely was conservative," Max R. Smith told The Philadelphia Inquirer of Thomas Crooks. "It makes me wonder why he would carry out an assassination attempt on the conservative candidate."
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-rally-gunman-thomas-crooks-was-definitely-conservative-classmate-recalls
Relentlessly bullied, wore hunting clothes, gun nut. He died wearing the T-shirt of a right-wing YouTuber that glorifies guns and explosives. So far, it doesn't appear there was a real political motive beyond killing someone famous, but maybe more facts will come in.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on July 14, 2024, 07:53:48 PM
Relentlessly bullied, wore hunting clothes, gun nut. He died wearing the T-shirt of a right-wing YouTuber that glorifies guns and explosives. So far, it doesn't appear there was a real political motive beyond killing someone famous, but maybe more facts will come in.
"Not long before shots rang out, rally goers noticed a man climbing to the top of a roof of a nearby building and warned local law enforcement, according to two law enforcement officials.
One officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder and Crooks quickly took a shot toward former President Donald Trump, and that's when the U.S. Secret Service counter snipers shot him, said the officials who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation."
Well seems like there's starting to be a common issue here, of shooters being heavier armed than law enforcement, as well as law enforcement backing down.
Well Pennsylvania is an open carry state, so he was legal...until he wasn't.
Quote from: pbiflyer on July 14, 2024, 08:26:38 PM
Well Pennsylvania is an open carry state, so he was legal...until he wasn't.
Were there pronouns involved
https://www.yahoo.com/news/went-wrong-did-secret-allow-190034007.html
Quote from: NCMUFan on July 14, 2024, 08:39:59 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/went-wrong-did-secret-allow-190034007.html
The Secret Service absolutely failed here. How this guy was allowed to climb the building that close and essentially turn away a cop before shooting will be investigated, but won't change anything. People don't wanna get shot, even cops, as Uvalde showed us.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on July 14, 2024, 07:40:43 PM
"We're done talking about the debate. It's time to put Trump in the bullseye,"
But I know, its not as inciteful as saying peaceably and patriotically protest...
QuoteBiden is a threat to democracy, a threat to the survival & existence of our country itself.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on July 14, 2024, 09:21:22 PM
The Secret Service absolutely failed here. How this guy was allowed to climb the building that close and essentially turn away a cop before shooting will be investigated, but won't change anything. People don't wanna get shot, even cops, as Uvalde showed us.
Allegedly, the area of this building is controlled/secured by local law enforcement, not the SS
Quote from: jesmu84 on July 14, 2024, 09:23:31 PM
Allegedly, the area of this building is controlled/secured by local law enforcement, not the SS
You're correct; however, are they not at least tasked with overseeing that? I know it's being said that it was local law enforcement who approached him and backed off.
EDIT: if not, they probably should be. It wasn't that far away.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on July 14, 2024, 07:40:43 PM
"We're done talking about the debate. It's time to put Trump in the bullseye,"
But I know, its not as inciteful as saying peaceably and patriotically protest...
As the previous vice president tried to elude domestic terrorists who wanted to hang him, the president he spent 4 years faithfully supporting twitted:
"Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution."
I know, I know ... That wasn't incitement. The President of the United States was only urging his terrorists to peaceably and patriotically hang his vice president.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on July 14, 2024, 09:28:21 PM
You're correct; however, are they not at least tasked with overseeing that? I know it's being said that it was local law enforcement who approached him and backed off.
EDIT: if not, they probably should be. It wasn't that far away.
They do oversee it, they oversee it by handing that aspect of security to local law enforcement. They handle security for the inner perimeter, and the outer perimeter. The middle perimeter is largely handled by local law enforcement.
The SS, rightfully, trusted local law enforcement to do their job, and when confronting a man armed with a rifle, with an opportunity to possibly shoot at the president, or other attendees, to do more than back away.
If the report on a police officer backing away from the armed assailant is true, it identifies where the security gap was, and it wasn't with the SS.
Quote from: tower912 on July 14, 2024, 06:49:03 PM
4e, how would you have reacted if Biden had been shot?
I think him posing the question and having that thought is telling you how he would've felt.
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on July 14, 2024, 08:06:51 PM
"Not long before shots rang out, rally goers noticed a man climbing to the top of a roof of a nearby building and warned local law enforcement, according to two law enforcement officials.
One officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder and Crooks quickly took a shot toward former President Donald Trump, and that's when the U.S. Secret Service counter snipers shot him, said the officials who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation."
Well seems like there's starting to be a common issue here, of shooters being heavier armed than law enforcement, as well as law enforcement backing down.
that cop should have radioed to immediately get trump OFF THE STAGE
*According to Butler County Sheriff Michael T. Slupe, the officer was 'gripping the roof's edge' when confronted by Crooks' rifle.
Because of his position, he did not have a gun with him and had to drop back to the ground.
"Dallas Alexander, who spent 14 years in a sniper team for the Canadian military doing close protection for major world leaders including the Canadian prime minister, suggested in a video that the 20-year-old who opened fire at the former president's rally Saturday night may have had help from the inside."
the kid was in plane sight for Christ's sake!! security detail for this event shouldn't have allowed a 20 year old to have a snipers best set in the house!
at minimum there should have been drones doing security if not helicopters.
Quote from: MU82 on July 14, 2024, 10:35:35 PM
As the previous vice president tried to elude domestic terrorists who wanted to hang him, the president he spent 4 years faithfully supporting twitted:
"Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution."
I know, I know ... That wasn't incitement. The President of the United States was only urging his terrorists to peaceably and patriotically hang his vice president.
while the current VP advocated for bailing out your "mostly peaceful rioters" who then went on to murder other people-i understand you stay focused on your Jan 6 thingy while ignoring the hundreds of days violent protests were allowed to burn down buildings including a police precinct, people's businesses, injure hundreds of police and other innocents...oh, but it wasn't the capital-seriously
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 15, 2024, 06:01:35 AM
while the current VP advocated for bailing out your "mostly peaceful rioters" who then went on to murder other people-i understand you stay focused on your Jan 6 thingy while ignoring the hundreds of days violent protests were allowed to burn down buildings including a police precinct, people's businesses, injure hundreds of police and other innocents...oh, but it wasn't the capital-seriously
Why do you hate police officers? Why do you lustily support a convicted felon who urged terrorists to hang his own vice president?
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 15, 2024, 05:56:09 AM
that cop should have radioed to immediately get trump OFF THE STAGE
*According to Butler County Sheriff Michael T. Slupe, the officer was 'gripping the roof's edge' when confronted by Crooks' rifle.
Because of his position, he did not have a gun with him and had to drop back to the ground.
"Dallas Alexander, who spent 14 years in a sniper team for the Canadian military doing close protection for major world leaders including the Canadian prime minister, suggested in a video that the 20-year-old who opened fire at the former president's rally Saturday night may have had help from the inside."
the kid was in plane sight for Christ's sake!! security detail for this event shouldn't have allowed a 20 year old to have a snipers best set in the house!
at minimum there should have been drones doing security if not helicopters.
Before advancing conspiracy theories with absolutely no evidence, why don't we just let the investigation run its course.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 15, 2024, 08:26:12 AM
Before advancing conspiracy theories with absolutely no evidence, why don't we just let the investigation run its course.
Conspiracy theories are easier than facing a truth you'd rather not face.
Or it doesn't allow you to build a narrative that advances your pet cause.
Claiming that the shooter must have had "inside help" helps advance the narrative that Trump is being targeted by the "Deep State." (Whatever that is.) Or that the SS is riddled with "DEI," which is hilarious when used in this context.
When it reality it might just come down to the fact that people aren't perfect and can make mistakes. But that's not as fun or sexy.
Quote from: MU82 on July 14, 2024, 10:35:35 PM
As the previous vice president tried to elude domestic terrorists who wanted to hang him, the president he spent 4 years faithfully supporting twitted:
"Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution."
I know, I know ... That wasn't incitement. The President of the United States was only urging his terrorists to peaceably and patriotically hang his vice president.
Make sure to say also that it was NOT a threat of violence.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 15, 2024, 08:50:52 AM
Or it doesn't allow you to build a narrative that advances your pet cause.
Claiming that the shooter must have had "inside help" helps advance the narrative that Trump is being targeted by the "Deep State." (Whatever that is.) Or that the SS is riddled with "DEI," which is hilarious when used in this context.
When it reality it might just come down to the fact that people aren't perfect and can make mistakes. But that's not as fun or sexy.
I think its cause the two "likely" explanations are both very disconcerting. One, that it is some sort of inside job (which doesn't necessarily mean Deep State or whatever the hell they want that to be)...or two, a MASSIVE f-up by the Secret Service to let someone have a clear shot that close.
And on the second, people aren't perfect and make mistakes, absolutely, but the whole point of a plan like that is to have double checks and fail-safes to mitigate that imperfection. That also seems to have failed here, which isn't great.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 15, 2024, 09:21:37 AM
I think its cause the two "likely" explanations are both very disconcerting. One, that it is some sort of inside job (which doesn't necessarily mean Deep State or whatever the hell they want that to be)...or two, a MASSIVE f-up by the Secret Service to let someone have a clear shot that close.
And on the second, people aren't perfect and make mistakes, absolutely, but the whole point of a plan like that is to have double checks and fail-safes to mitigate that imperfection. That also seems to have failed here, which isn't great.
You're much smarter than to suggest that an inside job is a likely explanation.
I don't think it's outrageous to suggest that the Secret Service might have effed-up pretty bad in this case.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 15, 2024, 09:21:37 AM
I think its cause the two "likely" explanations are both very disconcerting. One, that it is some sort of inside job (which doesn't necessarily mean Deep State or whatever the hell they want that to be)...or two, a MASSIVE f-up by the Secret Service to let someone have a clear shot that close.
And on the second, people aren't perfect and make mistakes, absolutely, but the whole point of a plan like that is to have double checks and fail-safes to mitigate that imperfection. That also seems to have failed here, which isn't great.
I am not sure it is either. Sounds, so far, that it was a massive f-up by local law enforcement. We'll see when the investigation moves forward.
Quote from: MU82 on July 15, 2024, 09:32:52 AM
I don't think it's outrageous to suggest that the Secret Service might have effed-up pretty bad in this case.
I don't think it's outrageous to be open to that possibility.
I do think it's silly for a bunch of keyboard jockeys to be coming to conclusions one way or the other with such little pertinent information combined with no actual expertise when it comes to security.
The irony is that many of the same people who shrug their shoulders after mass shootings and say "you can't stop someone who's intent on doing evil" are now outraged by the failure to stop someone intent on doing evil.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 15, 2024, 09:41:14 AM
I don't think it's outrageous to be open to that possibility.
I do think it's silly for a bunch of keyboard jockeys to be coming to conclusions one way or the other with such little pertinent information combined with no actual expertise when it comes to security.
The irony is that many of the same people who shrug their shoulders after mass shootings and say "you can't stop someone who's intent on doing evil" are now outraged by the failure to stop someone intent on doing evil.
Yep yep.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 15, 2024, 09:28:24 AM
You're much smarter than to suggest that an inside job is a likely explanation.
Hence saying "likely". A FUBAR situation by Secret Service and/or their local liasons is the most logical conclusion. But an inside job by some people involved is FAR more likely (but still insanely far fetched) than some vast Deep State conspiracy or kill order given by the Biden administration or whatever people are proposing.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 15, 2024, 09:34:23 AM
I am not sure it is either. Sounds, so far, that it was a massive f-up by local law enforcement. We'll see when the investigation moves forward.
I don't claim to be an expert or fully versed in this, but its wild to me that local law enforcement would have that much unchecked responsibility/autonomy less than 200 yards away. That in and of itself may be an oversight/contingency planning failure.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 15, 2024, 09:21:37 AM
I think its cause the two "likely" explanations are both very disconcerting. One, that it is some sort of inside job (which doesn't necessarily mean Deep State or whatever the hell they want that to be)...or two, a MASSIVE f-up by the Secret Service to let someone have a clear shot that close.
And on the second, people aren't perfect and make mistakes, absolutely, but the whole point of a plan like that is to have double checks and fail-safes to mitigate that imperfection. That also seems to have failed here, which isn't great.
No arguments with what you say, but the real failure of the SS was relying on a small-town police department as a major part of its protection plan. They simply are not capable of providing what is needed.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 15, 2024, 09:51:09 AM
Hence saying "likely". A FUBAR situation by Secret Service and/or their local liasons is the most logical conclusion. But an inside job by some people involved is FAR more likely (but still insanely far fetched) than some vast Deep State conspiracy or kill order given by the Biden administration or whatever people are proposing.
I'm having a hard time imagining a scenario in which those plotting to murder a former/perhaps future president would rely upon someone like Matthew Thomas Crooks to do the job. Perhaps I lack the imagination of a John Grisham novel.
If someone gets a shot off at a current/former president, it's safe to say there was a security failure somewhere along the line. Beyond that, we know nothing.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 15, 2024, 09:41:14 AM
I don't think it's outrageous to be open to that possibility.
I do think it's silly for a bunch of keyboard jockeys to be coming to conclusions one way or the other with such little pertinent information combined with no actual expertise when it comes to security.
The irony is that many of the same people who shrug their shoulders after mass shootings and say "you can't stop someone who's intent on doing evil" are now outraged by the failure to stop someone intent on doing evil.
Also, for the last 8? Years: Words don't matter. Rhetoric doesn't matter. Stochastic terrorism isn't a thing.
Beginning 7/13: Democrat rhetoric led to this! Words matter!
I would be interested to see if this was scheduled on short notice or security was focused on the RNC. I'm kind of stunned they didn't park one person on that roof.
It sounds like the officer who encountered him on the roof would have basically just been a sitting duck if he tried to engage. I think he was to confirm the threat to the SS, and the shooter shot quickly after. The officer may have sped up the shooter and caused the miss.
From what it sounds like, it wasn't too difficult of a shot, so the fact they didn't have that roof secured is stunning.
Quote from: MU82 on July 15, 2024, 09:32:52 AM
I don't think it's outrageous to suggest that the Secret Service might have effed-up pretty bad in this case.
Rocky draws the line. You're not allowed to suggest this as a possibility!
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 15, 2024, 10:07:37 AM
I would be interested to see if this was scheduled on short notice or security was focused on the RNC. I'm kind of stunned they didn't park one person on that roof.
It sounds like the officer who encountered him on the roof would have basically just been a sitting duck if he tried to engage. I think he was to confirm the threat to the SS, and the shooter shot quickly after. The officer may have sped up the shooter and caused the miss.
From what it sounds like, it wasn't too difficult of a shot, so the fact they didn't have that roof secured is stunning.
Normally there should be SS snipers on all high vantage points.
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 15, 2024, 10:07:37 AM
I would be interested to see if this was scheduled on short notice or security was focused on the RNC. I'm kind of stunned they didn't park one person on that roof.
It sounds like the officer who encountered him on the roof would have basically just been a sitting duck if he tried to engage. I think he was to confirm the threat to the SS, and the shooter shot quickly after. The officer may have sped up the shooter and caused the miss.
From what it sounds like, it wasn't too difficult of a shot, so the fact they didn't have that roof secured is stunning.
FWIW, I did read the SS was going full bore prepping for the RNC. Not saying it should have affected preparation for other events.
AB weighs in on events of the weekend.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/former-nfl-player-antonio-brown-weighs-after-trump-shooting
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 15, 2024, 11:14:58 AM
AB weighs in on events of the weekend.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/former-nfl-player-antonio-brown-weighs-after-trump-shooting
Shut up and dribble, eh?
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 15, 2024, 11:35:27 AM
Shut up and dribble, eh?
Just one felon supporting another felon.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 15, 2024, 09:41:14 AM
I don't think it's outrageous to be open to that possibility.
I do think it's silly for a bunch of keyboard jockeys to be coming to conclusions one way or the other with such little pertinent information combined with no actual expertise when it comes to security.
True, but even some "keyboard jockeys" are thoughtful individuals who, while not jumping to a conclusion that the SS effed up, acknowledge that the SS very well might have effed up after taking in all the evidence available to us right now.
Here's this from the Washington Post:
Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said Monday that Saturday's shooting at Donald Trump's campaign rally in Pennsylvania marked "a failure" of security.
"When I say that something like this cannot happen, we are speaking of a failure," Mayorkas told CNN's Kate Bolduan. "We are going to analyze, through an independent review, how that occurred, why it occurred, and make recommendations and findings to make sure it doesn't happen again. I couldn't be clearer."
The Secret Service, which is under Department of Homeland Security, is facing a wave of scrutiny over the breach, in which a 20-year-old man wielding a semiautomatic rifle, identified by officials as Thomas Matthew Crooks, was able to gain access to a roof around 140 yards from the stage where Trump was delivering his remarks.
Secret Service members fatally shot Crooks and surrounded Trump — who was not seriously injured — before rushing him into a vehicle. While the FBI has taken the lead in the investigation into the apparent assassination attempt, Mayorkas said DHS "will carefully analyze, in an independent and thorough fashion, what occurred."
Mayorkas on Monday also pushed back on lawmakers' suggestions that the agency had rebuffed requests for additional security for Trump, calling such claims "unequivocally false" during an interview with ABC News.
"We had enhanced security for the former president beginning at least in June," Mayorkas said. "We have not received any requests for additional security measures that were rebuffed."So it's not just keyboard jockeys wondering about this.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 15, 2024, 09:41:14 AM
The irony is that many of the same people who shrug their shoulders after mass shootings and say "you can't stop someone who's intent on doing evil" are now outraged by the failure to stop someone intent on doing evil.
Oh, absolutely. One thing the shooter didn't kill was the inclination of many people to be hypocrites.
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 15, 2024, 11:14:58 AM
AB weighs in on events of the weekend.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/former-nfl-player-antonio-brown-weighs-after-trump-shooting
Lmao
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 15, 2024, 11:14:58 AM
AB weighs in on events of the weekend.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/former-nfl-player-antonio-brown-weighs-after-trump-shooting
I don't have an opinion until I hear from Ja Rule.
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 15, 2024, 11:14:58 AM
AB weighs in on events of the weekend.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/former-nfl-player-antonio-brown-weighs-after-trump-shooting
Mine says need to join Fox news to access. What does the article say? I am on pins and needles.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 13, 2024, 09:47:55 PM
You think that a national news reporter calling a presidential candidate Hitler isn't hate speech that can inspire violence? Sure.
Not too many years ago, J.D. Vance called the previous president "noxious," "reprehensible," "cultural heroin," and an "idiot." Vance also was worried that the previous president would be "America's Hitler."
So I guess Joy Reid has a chance to be vice president someday.
Quote from: MU82 on July 15, 2024, 02:32:18 PM
Not too many years ago, J.D. Vance called the previous president "noxious," "reprehensible," "cultural heroin," and an "idiot." Vance also was worried that the previous president would be "America's Hitler."
So I guess Joy Reid has a chance to be vice president someday.
82 beat me to it - Look forward to the moral outrage at Vance
Quote from: MU82 on July 15, 2024, 02:32:18 PM
Not too many years ago, J.D. Vance called the previous president "noxious," "reprehensible," "cultural heroin," and an "idiot." Vance also was worried that the previous president would be "America's Hitler."
So I guess Joy Reid has a chance to be vice president someday.
Maybe this is an effort to keep other young conservatives from trying to assassinate Trump?
Quote from: MU82 on July 15, 2024, 02:32:18 PM
Not too many years ago, J.D. Vance called the previous president "noxious," "reprehensible," "cultural heroin," and an "idiot." Vance also was worried that the previous president would be "America's Hitler."
So I guess Joy Reid has a chance to be vice president someday.
JD Vance needs to be held responsible for what happened Saturday.
- Lenny, probably
Quote from: MU82 on July 15, 2024, 02:32:18 PM
Not too many years ago, J.D. Vance called the previous president "noxious," "reprehensible," "cultural heroin," and an "idiot." Vance also was worried that the previous president would be "America's Hitler."
So I guess Joy Reid has a chance to be vice president someday.
The problem, of course, is that people don't really care. As long as their desires are being met, they can simply ignore what someone said or did before. There is no honor in standing up for your words or your beliefs. Everything is malleable and justifiable.
So I doubt Lenny's will say much of anything. Or he will soft-pedal it to the point where his initial outrage was simply meaningless.
Vance is the ultimate above the law authoritarian. That is why he was chosen. Like, trump, he feels a new trump administration is bound by no laws whatsoever.
Vance has said that, had he been vice president in 2020, he would have carried out Trump's scheme for the vice president to overturn the election results. He has fundraised for January 6 rioters. He once called on the Justice Department to open a criminal investigation into a Washington Post columnist who penned a critical piece about Trump. After last week's assassination attempt on Trump, he attempted to whitewash his radicalism by blaming the shooting on Democrats' rhetoric about democracy without an iota of evidence.
In a podcast interview, Vance said that Trump should "fire every single mid-level bureaucrat" in the US government and "replace them with our people." If the courts attempt to stop this, Vance says, Trump should simply ignore the law.
"You stand before the country, like Andrew Jackson did, and say the chief justice has made his ruling, now let him enforce it," he declares. Vance is referring to an 1832 case, Worcester v. Georgia, in which the Supreme Court ruled that the US government needed to respect Native legal rights to land ownership. Jackson ignored the ruling, and continued a policy of allowing whites to take what belonged to Natives. The end result was the ethnic cleansing of about 60,000 Natives — an event we now call the Trail of Tears.
There was no one more anti-America that trump could have picked. They stand together against everything this country was built in.
Quote from: MU82 on July 15, 2024, 02:32:18 PM
Not too many years ago, J.D. Vance called the previous president "noxious," "reprehensible," "cultural heroin," and an "idiot." Vance also was worried that the previous president would be "America's Hitler."
So I guess Joy Reid has a chance to be vice president someday.
Just a younger Lindsey Graham without the actual experience of Graham
Yep. Vance is every adjective he used to describe his new boss ... except "idiot."
He was smart enough to bend the knee without sounding like a total MTGish whackjob. So an anti-Constitution social warrior who prefers authoritarianism to democracy could be vice president of the United States.
Quote from: MU82 on July 15, 2024, 02:32:18 PM
So I guess Joy Reid has a chance to be vice president someday.
They are busy hiding their x tweets. Shameful
Investigation Finds Secret Service Failed To Account For Nation's 393 Million Guns
https://www.theonion.com/investigation-finds-secret-service-failed-to-account-fo-1851592934
Quote from: Pakuni on July 15, 2024, 09:41:14 AM
The irony is that many of the same people who shrug their shoulders after mass shootings and say "you can't stop someone who's intent on doing evil" are now outraged by the failure to stop someone intent on doing evil.
??? Comparing a mass shooting in a gun free zone where the targets are totally unprotected to an in plain sight rooftop shooter whose target is being protected by a cadre of alleged professionals is about as silly as it gets.
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 15, 2024, 04:57:47 PM
They are busy hiding their x tweets. Shameful
I presume you are referring here to Vance deleting his tweets about Trump circa 2016? Shameful indeed.
Great personal story, great professional story...extremely intelligent and a real people person. Furthermore, terrific presidential material. Can't wait for the Vance/Buffoon 2 debate. This pick is a absolute home run and a clear cut knockout punch, aina?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 15, 2024, 06:15:56 PM
??? Comparing a mass shooting in a gun free zone where the targets are totally unprotected to an in plain sight rooftop shooter whose target is being protected by a cadre of alleged professionals is about as silly as it gets.
Way to miss the point. I suspect intentionally, but whatever.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 15, 2024, 06:34:14 PM
Great personal story, great professional story...extremely intelligent and a real people person. Furthermore, terrific presidential material. Can't wait for the Vance/Buffoon 2 debate. This pick is a absolute home run and a clear cut knockout punch, aina?
Some of my favorite JD quotes:
"Trump is cultural heroin. He makes some feel better for a bit. But he cannot fix what ails them, and one day they'll realize it."
"Fellow Christians, everyone is watching us when we apologize for this man. Lord help us."
"Trump makes people I care about afraid. Immigrants, Muslims, etc. Because of this I find him reprehensible. God wants better of us."
"I think that I'm going to vote third party because I can't stomach Trump. I think that he's noxious and is leading the White working class to a very dark place."
"I'm a 'Never Trump' guy. I never liked him."
"To every complex problem, he promises a simple solution. He never offers details for how these plans will work, because he can't. Trump's promises are the needle in America's collective vein."
Quote from: Pakuni on July 15, 2024, 06:35:45 PM
Way to miss the point. I suspect intentionally, but whatever.
I miss the point? Why, because I know the meaning of irony? LOL.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 15, 2024, 06:46:50 PM
I miss the point? Why, because I know the meaning of irony? LOL.
Ah. I see. You were just being "ironic." ::)
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 15, 2024, 06:34:14 PM
Great personal story, great professional story...extremely intelligent and a real people person. Furthermore, terrific presidential material. Can't wait for the Vance/Buffoon 2 debate. This pick is a absolute home run and a clear cut knockout punch, aina?
Ivy leaguer. Probably plagerized.
Either way, got his nose so up Thiel's jock strap he can check for prostate cancer.
Proceed with the stripping of parts of the nation while ordinary citizens continue to be marginalized and get shot at presidential rallies for no particular reason.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 15, 2024, 06:34:14 PM
Great personal story, great professional story...extremely intelligent and a real people person.
Honestly, I think he does have a good personal and professional story. When he first came on the scene, he made a lot of very good observations about American society that were not without merit. Like this piece on race in America.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/08/race-relations-getting-worse-america-why/
"Last month, for instance, the brilliant Harvard economist Roland Fryer published an exhaustive study of police uses of force. He found that even after controlling for crime rates and police presence in a given neighborhood, black youths were far likelier to be pushed, thrown to the ground, or harassed by police. (Notably, he also found no racial disparity in the use of lethal force.) No other study of comparable rigor exists on the subject, and its conclusion is clear: that black youth derive their fear of police from experience. The injury done to our black citizens is important and no respectable party can ignore it."
But he doesn't talk like this any longer. And I think we all know why.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 15, 2024, 06:51:23 PM
Ah. I see. You were just being "ironic." ::)
No, there was zero irony in the two situations Pakuni cites. They're nowhere near the same, not even comparable. Actually opposite on many levels.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 15, 2024, 06:40:18 PM
Some of my favorite JD quotes:
"Trump is cultural heroin. He makes some feel better for a bit. But he cannot fix what ails them, and one day they'll realize it."
"Fellow Christians, everyone is watching us when we apologize for this man. Lord help us."
"Trump makes people I care about afraid. Immigrants, Muslims, etc. Because of this I find him reprehensible. God wants better of us."
"I think that I'm going to vote third party because I can't stomach Trump. I think that he's noxious and is leading the White working class to a very dark place."
"I'm a 'Never Trump' guy. I never liked him."
"To every complex problem, he promises a simple solution. He never offers details for how these plans will work, because he can't. Trump's promises are the needle in America's collective vein."
He didn't mean any of them. Was only being ironic.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 15, 2024, 07:05:19 PM
Honestly, I think he does have a good personal and professional story. When he first came on the scene, he made a lot of very good observations about American society that were not without merit. Like this piece on race in America.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/08/race-relations-getting-worse-america-why/
"Last month, for instance, the brilliant Harvard economist Roland Fryer published an exhaustive study of police uses of force. He found that even after controlling for crime rates and police presence in a given neighborhood, black youths were far likelier to be pushed, thrown to the ground, or harassed by police. (Notably, he also found no racial disparity in the use of lethal force.) No other study of comparable rigor exists on the subject, and its conclusion is clear: that black youth derive their fear of police from experience. The injury done to our black citizens is important and no respectable party can ignore it."
But he doesn't talk like this any longer. And I think we all know why.
Personal ambition > giving two shytes about his fellow human beings.
Quote from: MU82 on July 15, 2024, 07:07:35 PM
Personal ambition > giving two shytes about his fellow human beings.
I would be more charitable and say that they sacrifice their personal values for their ambition.
Which is why politicians merely should be tolerated and not idolized.
Perfect choice...may not have started off loving Trump, but saw the vision, vigor, and victory in the man who will raise this country from a third world nation to to the leader of the free world once again. There's hope, too, for y'all. Perfect choice, aina?
LOL. I see 4elder's instincts about politicians are just as good as his instincts about athletes and vaccines.
Vance has the one and only important characteristic Trump wanted--unswerving loyalty no matter what laws he is told to break. He won't have to send a mob to hang JD Vance, no sir!
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 15, 2024, 07:10:28 PM
Perfect choice...may not have started off loving Trump, but saw the vision, vigor, and victory in the man who will raise this country from a third world nation to to the leader of the free world once again. There's hope, too, for y'all. Perfect choice, aina?
The perfect choice for the next Reich, that's for sure.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 15, 2024, 06:34:14 PM
Great personal story, great professional story...extremely intelligent and a real people person. Furthermore, terrific presidential material. Can't wait for the Vance/Buffoon 2 debate. This pick is a absolute home run and a clear cut knockout punch, aina?
Hopefully Ms. Harris wil ask him to explain why he called trump 'America's Hitler".
Quote from: MU82 on July 15, 2024, 07:13:46 PM
The perfect choice for the next Reich, that's for sure.
Vance is honest about being a never Trumper in 2016. After watching his administration and its policies he admitted that he had been wrong.
I watched David Axelrod talk about Vance on CNN today. Vance was on his podcast in 2017 and Axelrod was very impressed.
Quote from: Jockey on July 15, 2024, 07:14:50 PM
Hopefully Ms. Harris wil ask him to explain why he called trump 'America's Hitler".
Sounds like a great nickname - one created and enthusiastically presented by America's Hitler's own running mate!
well ya'll better assume and hope like hell JD and Donald kissed and made up because they're going to be your next POTUS and VP-anything better than Mr magoo and heels up
Oh, America's Hitler and his sidekick haven't won yet.
If you supported Wojo, your opinion on anything is in question.
It's so strange watching ordinary folks fall for grifters.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 15, 2024, 07:31:43 PM
It's so strange watching ordinary folks fall for grifters.
Almost all politicians are either born grifters are become one.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 15, 2024, 07:06:36 PM
No, there was zero irony in the two situations Pakuni cites. They're nowhere near the same, not even comparable. Actually opposite on many levels.
Other than involving a disturbed and bullied young white male gun enthusiast, who inexplicably receives access to a military-style rifle, which he then brings to a supposedly secure and protected public place with intent to perform carnage ... the situations are nowhere near the same.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 15, 2024, 07:39:35 PM
Almost all politicians are either born grifters are become one.
Yea, exactly. I'm certainly no big fan of Vance and have had my friends in Ohio, on both sides of the centrist realm, gripe about him since he came onto the scene. But its silly to act like being a chameleon or turn an abrupt about face on a fellow politician or policy is anything unique in Washington. The vast majority of politicians do it in some way shape or form, some smoother and more tactfully than others. That's modern politics...relentlessly and shamelessly bash, trash, and borderline slander your opponents or obstacles when appropriate and then snuggle up to them when politically useful.
Vance is kind of a dope, but he's seemingly an intelligent guy. He may very well feel the exact same way about Trump that he did a few years ago, but he views the Vice Presidency and a Trump alliance as the best way to push forward his political career and presumably White House aspirations. That stuff has been happening for more than a hundred years (pretty sure Lincoln couldn't stand Johnson). These men and women sold their souls when they got to Washington, if not before.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 15, 2024, 07:39:35 PM
Almost all politicians are either born grifters are become one.
Yeah, agreed, but it's varying degrees. Some will line their pockets, and some will seize power for the rest of their lives. It's very easy to tell the two types apart.
Quote from: MU82 on July 15, 2024, 07:29:04 PM
Oh, America's Hitler and his sidekick haven't won yet.
I don't get it. Is he going to torture you with deep body massages and rounds of golf at his resorts?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 15, 2024, 07:10:28 PM
Perfect choice...may not have started off loving Trump, but saw the vision, vigor, and victory in the man who will raise this country from a third world nation to to the leader of the free world once again. There's hope, too, for y'all. Perfect choice, aina?
I couldn't agree more, 4ever. Vance is a good man, and an excellent choice.
Quote from: Badgerhater on July 15, 2024, 07:30:13 PM
If you supported Wojo, your opinion on anything is in question.
+1000. Bad judgement translates.
Quote from: NCMUFan on July 15, 2024, 08:24:48 PM
I don't get it. Is he going to torture you with deep body massages and rounds of golf at his resorts?
Is that how he tortured Pence before trying to get his vice president hanged?
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 15, 2024, 07:31:43 PM
It's so strange watching ordinary folks fall for grifters.
Just pawns
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 15, 2024, 06:34:14 PM
Great personal story, great professional story...extremely intelligent and a real people person. Furthermore, terrific presidential material. Can't wait for the Vance/Buffoon 2 debate. This pick is a absolute home run and a clear cut knockout punch, aina?
I agree with this analysis.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 15, 2024, 08:15:15 PM
Yeah, agreed, but it's varying degrees. Some will line their pockets, and some will seize power for the rest of their lives. It's very easy to tell the two types apart.
Porky concurs
https://www.lars24.com/
Quote from: JWags85 on July 15, 2024, 07:57:39 PM
Yea, exactly. I'm certainly no big fan of Vance and have had my friends in Ohio, on both sides of the centrist realm, gripe about him since he came onto the scene. But its silly to act like being a chameleon or turn an abrupt about face on a fellow politician or policy is anything unique in Washington. The vast majority of politicians do it in some way shape or form, some smoother and more tactfully than others. That's modern politics...relentlessly and shamelessly bash, trash, and borderline slander your opponents or obstacles when appropriate and then snuggle up to them when politically useful.
Vance is kind of a dope, but he's seemingly an intelligent guy. He may very well feel the exact same way about Trump that he did a few years ago, but he views the Vice Presidency and a Trump alliance as the best way to push forward his political career and presumably White House aspirations. That stuff has been happening for more than a hundred years (pretty sure Lincoln couldn't stand Johnson). These men and women sold their souls when they got to Washington, if not before.
I'd argue Lincoln is a poor choice here, if you haven't read "Team of Rivals" I'd recommend it.
Quote from: PorkysButthole on July 15, 2024, 10:09:06 PM
Porky concurs
https://www.lars24.com/
Friendfinder, that's a blast from the past.
Biden tried to call the wife of the firefighter who was shot to death Saturday. His predecessor did not.
https://www.businessinsider.com/corey-comperatores-wife-said-trump-hasnt-called-report-2024-7
Quote from: MU82 on July 15, 2024, 10:56:12 PM
Biden tried to call the wife of the firefighter who was shot to death Saturday. His predecessor did not.
https://www.businessinsider.com/corey-comperatores-wife-said-trump-hasnt-called-report-2024-7
After 2,000 hyperbolic rants to no avail, this bit of news is sure to convince everyone to vote for Joe.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 15, 2024, 11:04:25 PM
After 2,000 hyperbolic rants to no avail, this bit of news is sure to convince everyone to vote for Joe.
While it will do nothing to alter who people will vote for, it does tell you a lot about the character of the people involved.
Quote from: forgetful on July 15, 2024, 11:22:55 PM
While it will do nothing to alter who people will vote for, it does tell you a lot about the character of the people involved.
Please. Both guys have called and not called lots of victims over the years.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 15, 2024, 07:10:28 PM
Perfect choice...may not have started off loving Trump, but saw the vision, vigor, and victory in the man who will raise this country from a third world nation to to the leader of the free world once again. There's hope, too, for y'all. Perfect choice, aina?
For your sake, I hope you don't believe this is what happened.
Quote from: MU82 on July 15, 2024, 07:29:04 PM
Oh, America's Hitler and his sidekick haven't won yet.
It's over unless Biden steps down or is replace. Trump is going to win in a rout.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 15, 2024, 07:25:22 PM
I watched David Axelrod talk about Vance on CNN today. Vance was on his podcast in 2017 and Axelrod was very impressed.
Axelrod liking Vance is supposed to be a positive for Vance?
Quote from: MU82 on July 15, 2024, 10:56:12 PM
Biden tried to call the wife of the firefighter who was shot to death Saturday. His predecessor did not.
https://www.businessinsider.com/corey-comperatores-wife-said-trump-hasnt-called-report-2024-7
Wouldn't take da Buffoon's call. Tell's ya a lot. Gibberish is just noise, hey?
Quote from: BM1090 on July 15, 2024, 11:43:57 PM
It's over unless Biden steps down or is replace. Trump is going to win in a rout.
I wouldn't assume this at all.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 15, 2024, 07:25:22 PM
Vance is honest about being a never Trumper in 2016. After watching his administration and its policies he admitted that he had been wrong.
I watched David Axelrod talk about Vance on CNN today. Vance was on his podcast in 2017 and Axelrod was very impressed.
Doesn't sound that impressed.
David Axelrod, former senior adviser to then-President Obama, said Sunday that Sen. JD Vance's (R-Ohio) response to the attempted assassination of former President Trump should be disqualifying for the position of vice president.
"If @JDVance1 is on the short list for VP, this Tweet, sent an hour after the assassination attempt in PA, ought to disqualify him in the eyes of the Trump campaign," Axelrod wrote on the social platform X, reposting Vance's statement.
https://thehill.com/elections/4772083-axelrod-vances-post-on-trump-rally-shooting-ought-to-disqualify-him/
Quote from: Pakuni on July 16, 2024, 06:56:32 AM
Doesn't sound that impressed.
David Axelrod, former senior adviser to then-President Obama, said Sunday that Sen. JD Vance's (R-Ohio) response to the attempted assassination of former President Trump should be disqualifying for the position of vice president.
"If @JDVance1 is on the short list for VP, this Tweet, sent an hour after the assassination attempt in PA, ought to disqualify him in the eyes of the Trump campaign," Axelrod wrote on the social platform X, reposting Vance's statement.
https://thehill.com/elections/4772083-axelrod-vances-post-on-trump-rally-shooting-ought-to-disqualify-him/
Huh.
It's interesting that Vance himself used "hate speech that can inspire violence," but Lennys seems to have ignored this.
I wonder why his outrage from Saturday night isn't applied to everyone who has used such speech? Very odd.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 16, 2024, 06:56:32 AM
Doesn't sound that impressed.
David Axelrod, former senior adviser to then-President Obama, said Sunday that Sen. JD Vance's (R-Ohio) response to the attempted assassination of former President Trump should be disqualifying for the position of vice president.
"If @JDVance1 is on the short list for VP, this Tweet, sent an hour after the assassination attempt in PA, ought to disqualify him in the eyes of the Trump campaign," Axelrod wrote on the social platform X, reposting Vance's statement.
https://thehill.com/elections/4772083-axelrod-vances-post-on-trump-rally-shooting-ought-to-disqualify-him/
There are lots of things Vance has said that many think should disqualify him "in the eyes of the Trump campaign". They're being repeated ad infinitum ad nauseum on all the news programs. Pundits are evidently much more thin skinned on Trump's behalf than he or his people are - which quite frankly is astonishing to me.
Regardless, Axelrod said yesterday that Vance had been on his podcast and he warned his fellow democrats that Vance was very thoughtful and intelligent - a formidable guy. Let's talk again after he and Vice President Harris face off against one another.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 16, 2024, 08:06:46 AM
There are lots of things Vance has said that many think should disqualify him "in the eyes of the Trump campaign". They're being repeated ad infinitum ad nauseum on all the news programs. Pundits are evidently much more thin skinned on Trump's behalf than he or his people are - which quite frankly is astonishing to me.
Regardless, Axelrod said yesterday that Vance had been on his podcast and he warned his fellow democrats that Vance was very thoughtful and intelligent - a formidable guy. Let's talk again after he and Vice President Harris face off against one another.
What has Axelrod said about Kamala's prowess? Does he still think Biden should resign or has he pivoted now?
3 or 4 states will determine this election: Penn, Mich, Wisconsin, and maybe Virginia. Everything else is pretty much moot/smoke and mirrors if the polls are remotely accurate. I don't see any scenario where it's not close unless MU Scoopers living in Wisconsin move the needle. :)
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 16, 2024, 08:06:46 AM
There are lots of things Vance has said that many think should disqualify him "in the eyes of the Trump campaign". They're being repeated ad infinitum ad nauseum on all the news programs. Pundits are evidently much more thin skinned on Trump's behalf than he or his people are - which quite frankly is astonishing to me.
Regardless, Axelrod said yesterday that Vance had been on his podcast and he warned his fellow democrats that Vance was very thoughtful and intelligent - a formidable guy. Let's talk again after he and Vice President Harris face off against one another.
I think we both know that Vance's former statements are being brought up to illustrate that he's a hypocrite willing to sell out whatever principles he may have had in a craven quest for power.
If that's your kind of guy, so be it.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 16, 2024, 07:59:21 AM
Huh.
It's interesting that Vance himself used "hate speech that can inspire violence," but Lennys seems to have ignored this.
I wonder why his outrage from Saturday night isn't applied to everyone who has used such speech? Very odd.
Because Lenny has become a chicos clone joke.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 16, 2024, 03:31:12 AM
Wouldn't take da Buffoon's call. Tell's ya a lot. Gibberish is just noise, hey?
If the situation were reversed - if a spectator had been shot to death at a Biden rally, and your hero had called the widow but Biden hadn't - that bit of "gibberish" would have been the biggest outrage in R-land since Obama wore a beige suit.
And if the widow had refused to take your hero's call, MAGA-land would have been ripping her on social media.
Quote from: Mutaman on July 16, 2024, 01:10:49 AM
Axelrod liking Vance is supposed to be a positive for Vance?
Acknowledgement that your adversary is formidable ins't "liking" him. It's being wary and prudent.
The Chevron thread was locked after 268 replies and here we are going on 366 replies. I thought there was no politics here.
69, this isn't politics. Its simply unilateral hatred, hey?
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on July 16, 2024, 08:53:57 AM
Because Lenny has become a chicos clone joke.
Smitty enters the fray with a typically incisive and informative post. We all thank you for playing, you bring so much to the table.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 16, 2024, 09:05:47 AM
69, this isn't politics. Its simply unilateral hatred, hey?
I'm not sure it's hatred but instead concern/fear of a despot.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 16, 2024, 09:05:47 AM
69, this isn't politics. Its simply unilateral hatred, hey?
You must be talking about the very first speaker at the convention last night - Ron Johnson (the demented senator from your state, not the guy whom your demented dictator-wannabe thinks is his doctor) - who wasted no time screaming hate-filled language about the opposition party.
And that's really OK, because it's to be expected at an event like that. Just don't pretend that your hate-filled party isn't hate-filled, oona?
Maybe more hate should be reserved for white, 20-year-old registered Republicans with AR-15s.
Imagine how the other side feels with da Buffoon, Buffoon 2, BO and an entire ensemble of minions imposing their evil ways, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 16, 2024, 09:36:33 AM
Imagine how the other side feels with da Buffoon, Buffoon 2, BO and an entire ensemble of minions imposing their evil ways, hey?
Evil?
Yeah, words like 4ever's don't help. Policy disagreements are fine and actually are part of the process. Casting politics as the difference between good and evil is really unfortunate.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 16, 2024, 09:52:02 AM
Yeah, words like 4ever's don't help. Policy disagreements are fine and actually are part of the process. Casting politics as the difference between good and evil is really unfortunate.
Well, one of the candidates is a convicted rapist, which makes him objectively evil.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 16, 2024, 09:52:57 AM
Well, one of the candidates is a convicted rapist, which makes him objectively evil.
Yeah, it's wild that those willing to overlook that, or who are OK with a president playing footsie with actually evil people like Putin and Kim Jong, but are willing to call someone "evil" over ... immigration policy? Minimum wage hikes? Health care?
Radicalization is a helluva drug.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 16, 2024, 09:49:48 AM
Evil?
You know, leading a roaring economy that is far outpacing the rest of the western world, doing the best job in the developed world of taming inflation, growing the pie for people other than the fabulously wealthy for the first time in decades, leading the coalition against a murderous dictator hellbent on conquest, and addressing the freight train of doom that is climate change.
Totally evil stuff.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 16, 2024, 09:52:57 AM
Well, one of the candidates is a convicted rapist, which makes him objectively evil.
#Fakenews
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on July 16, 2024, 10:03:25 AM
#Fakenews
Nope.
Convicted felon, convicted rapist, convicted business fraud. Also, bragged about stealing the nation's most closely guarded secrets and leaving them laying around unsecured but has a pet judge that delayed, delayed, delayed the most open and shut case.
This is the guy one party has decided to worship.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on July 16, 2024, 10:11:05 AM
Nope.
Convicted felon, convicted rapist, convicted business fraud. Also, bragged about stealing the nation's most closely guarded secrets and leaving them laying around unsecured but has a pet judge that delayed, delayed, delayed the most open and shut case.
This is the guy one party has decided to worship.
convicted rapist? #Fakenews
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on July 16, 2024, 10:16:53 AM
convicted rapist? #Fakenews
From a semantics standpoint, you are correct. But a jury did rule he, in fact, is a rapist.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/07/donald-trump-rape-language-e-jean-carroll
Quote from: MU82 on July 15, 2024, 09:37:31 PM
Is that how he tortured Pence before trying to get his vice president hanged?
Maybe I will be banished to one of his resorts and forced to eat steaks and drink red wine in his restaurant and lounge at the pool with a Margaritta in one hand and a rum and coke in the other.
America's Hitler was found liable for sexual assault, and then also for defamation when he lied about it and ripped the victim.
Don't need to use hyperbole to show, in that case and dozens of others, that he's truly a horrible human being.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 16, 2024, 10:21:57 AM
From a semantics standpoint, you are correct. But a jury did rule he, in fact, is a rapist.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/07/donald-trump-rape-language-e-jean-carroll
And here's a story by NBC News stating the jury didn't rule he is a rapist. This account includes the Jury's Verdict Form where the jury checked "NO" on the question of whether Mr. Trump raped Ms. Carroll.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/jury-reaches-verdict-e-jean-carroll-rape-defamation-case-trump-rcna82778
He wasn't convicted of rape and you know that. Trump was sued civilly and found liable for sexual battery and defamation in a case that wouldn't have been brought anywhere other than NY, and by using a law specifically enacted to allow E. Jean Carroll to file a civil suit against Trump after any SOL had expired.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on July 16, 2024, 10:37:12 AM
And here's a story by NBC News stating the jury didn't rule he is a rapist. This account includes the Jury's Verdict Form where the jury checked "NO" on the question of whether Mr. Trump raped Ms. Carroll.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/jury-reaches-verdict-e-jean-carroll-rape-defamation-case-trump-rcna82778
He wasn't convicted of rape and you know that. Trump was sued civilly and found liable for sexual battery and defamation in a case that wouldn't have been brought anywhere other than NY, and by using a law specifically enacted to allow E. Jean Carroll to file a civil suit against Trump after any SOL had expired.
Good! Great job New York! Way to finally figure out a way to hold the scumbag to account.
Quote from: NCMUFan on July 16, 2024, 10:33:51 AM
Maybe I will be banished to one of his resorts and forced to eat steaks and drink red wine in his restaurant and lounge at the pool with a Margaritta in one hand and a rum and coke in the other.
Character. When people tell you who they are, believe them.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on July 16, 2024, 10:37:12 AM
And here's a story by NBC News stating the jury didn't rule he is a rapist. This account includes the Jury's Verdict Form where the jury checked "NO" on the question of whether Mr. Trump raped Ms. Carroll.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/jury-reaches-verdict-e-jean-carroll-rape-defamation-case-trump-rcna82778
He wasn't convicted of rape and you know that. Trump was sued civilly and found liable for sexual battery and defamation in a case that wouldn't have been brought anywhere other than NY, and by using a law specifically enacted to allow E. Jean Carroll to file a civil suit against Trump after any SOL had expired.
LOL. A serial sexual assaulter, which he bragged about on tape, is much, much better and worthy of the office of President of the United States.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on July 16, 2024, 09:03:37 AM
The Chevron thread was locked after 268 replies and here we are going on 366 replies. I thought there was no politics here.
Honestly, I mostly ignored the board the past few days. Prior to that this was *mostly* non partisan.
Nobody, whether they were complaining about politics or not has reported this thread since Saturday.