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Not going to state what I’ve long thought to be the backstory on this one, but am curious as to what others think happened. Pretty crazy. Hope a lot of info comes out by tmrw morning
I have a suspicion, from things Ive read, that her parents were involved in some form of trafficking, narcotics or human, and double crossed people more powerful than themselves. Shocking that she is alive and seemingly unharmed, unexpected silver lining.
They said this morning that suspect had this plan all along. To kill the parents and kidnap her. The questions are how he became aware of her AND if she was in any way complicit.
Why would this be important to you? She is a child. Would it make her any less of a victim?
Of course not. How did I imply that? It's more of a curiosity as to how this entire episode played out more than anything.
I'll stick with my opinion on Gold. He'll be in foul trouble within the first eight minutes.
It's just not a scenario I would have lept to.
There's so much about the story that we don't know. I'll say a couple things. One, speculation at this juncture isn't useful. Three, she's one tough as nails young lady
Any links you can provide?
Seems like 1 & 3 are at odds with each other
I listened to the press conference .. all these law enforcement guys tripping over themselves to thank themselves. Sure, they put in a lot of time, as is their job, and I respect that greatly. But in the end, all that work and effort -- they never found her.
It's always like this. Wetterling case comes to mind. In The Dark is one hell of a podcast.
I listened to the press conference .. all these law enforcement guys tripping over themselves to thank themselves. Sure, they put in a lot of time, as is their job, and I respect that greatly. But in the end, all that work and effort -- they never found her. She's only safe because she got a chance to walk away and find a citizen to call 911, not due to some sharp police work or rescue.
The kidnapper may have tried to form a connection with her over the internet to gain her trust. Then killed her parents, kidnapped her and locked her up, similar to other horrific cases of kidnapping and rape that we have heard about in the news media; where the victim has been held captive for years. Thankfully Jayme was able to escape. It’s very very scary that people exist in this world who have no moral compass, or feelings for others that they will do anything to serve their own needs and desires. I don’t know how these disgusting people can even close their eyes and go to sleep at night, let alone live with themselves all day.
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny. Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.
So long as were speculating, I’m in the boat on the theory that these two knew each other well before this went down, but the murder was not premeditated. Too much of a struggle.
You are waaaaay out of bounds on this.
I will assume she was a 13 year old kidnapping victim instead of a murderer of her own parents until something to suggest otherwise comes out.
In Douglas Co, WI. Suspect in custody. Missing since October. Amazing, hope she is ok.
How so? Sure seems like the police never had the kidnapper as a suspect, didn't find her, and she escaped on her own. Again, I greatly respect the jobs LEOs do, but I don't see a lot of success here. I'll be happy to read that the kidnapper made mistakes due to the police closing in on him, but so far that's not known.
Assumption is the mother of all f—k ups. Perhaps its best to assume nothing?
In a situation like this I’m fine assuming she’s a victim here. If the police felt there was a reason to suspect wrongdoing by her she probably wouldn’t be back reunited with family.
In a situation like this I’m fine assuming she’s a victim here. If the police felt there was a reason to suspect wrongdoing by her she probably wouldn’t be back reunited with family.And even if she was at fault for anything here, chances are, being that she was 13 years old, her parents gave her some reason to feel a desperate need to get out of some situation, or some 21 year old guy convinced her she was in a situation she needed to be out of. So even if she did do something here, which again, I’ll assume the 13 year old girl who went missing after her parents were murdered, I’ll still feel more concerned about how the adults in her life could put her in that situation rather than lay a bunch of blame on her.
Tripping over themselves to thank each other.....seems like the last thing they were doing. I can only imagine the heartache the law enforcement offers felt over the past 80+ days, and having to stuff it inside and do their job professionally. To have this kind of a case come to a “good” ending was probably the last thing they were expecting 24 hours previously.
Wow, there is same inane speculation in this thread.
Agree.This week was law enforcement appreciation.Three more cops killed this week, two of them female cops. 2018 more cops died than 2017.Tough gig.
God help you if you ever meet parents of a mentally ill child. I guess it’s the parents’ fault if they didn’t genetically engineer their child, right?
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CBS had a "48 Hours" episode last night about Jayme Closs.At the time the crimes happened, they searched the family's phone records and computers, and there is no evidence that there was any communication between the Jake Patterson and the Closs family. He lived 80 miles away. Several years ago he worked for one day at the same plant that the parents worked at - in a completely different department.
As graduates of a Jesuit institution, let us all pray tonight that God blesses her with His grace as she seeks to overcome this unimaginable nightmare, one day at a time. Jamye has upwards of 70 more years here on earth. May God grant her peace and strength. Amen.
Grant her the strength to survive the trial and the perseverance to heal.Completely irrational and random acts like this have the same effect on the public psyche as terrorism... maybe one might expect this in a foreign country or a big city. But it only shows that no matter how much effort you expend to avoid risk, evil can still find you.
Subject facing two counts of murder and one kidnapping. Each one probably has life sentence. Don't believe Wisconsin executes felons, so no discussions of downward plea. In light of the overwhelming evidence as detailed in complaint (which doesn't include all, just enough for probable cause), to include a confession, probably no trial and victim will be spared with the terror of testifying.
sending this dude to the pen is a death sentence. even prisoners have morals and if it comes out this scum bag had his way with a 13 year old for 88 days, he'll be in huggies for a few days, but i don't think he'll make it back into to training pants.
Incidentally, Wisconsin was the first state to abolish the death penalty.So unless there’s a federal prosecution involved, the only question about how this guy spends the rest of his final days is: Portage or Waupun?
3 squares and a cot a day for the rest of his life? Yes, yes, it costs less. I'd be happy to start a GoFundMe to cover the differential in cost to have him go straight to Dante's place.
Wow, a GoFundMe for death! Awesome. But I guess from the guy who once advocated putting executions on PPV, not terribly surprised.While I know you are being a bit tongue and cheek, kind of weird obsession you might have surrounding money and killing folks.
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I’m admittedly ignorant about law and the bail system at large but why was he granted bail after he confessed to the crimes?
A confession is not an admission of guilt and neither is a conviction. In the eyes of the court, he is still innocent until proven guilty, i.e. convicted.Depending on the jurisdiction, some judges will, on principle, grant bail every time, but when it's a felony case and the person is dangerous and/or a flight risk, the judge will set it so extraordinarily high that it's effectively denying of bail. Other judges will deny bail to anyone and everyone in a capital murder case. And some judges will simply take your AAA card if you're white and belong to the same country club.The only times you really see a judge deny bail outright are when the accused is a likely flight risk and/or has the financial capacity to post whatever bail is set... or the crime is so heinous that the public cannot risk the possibility that bail might be posted.
That seems rude. We’re the line’s yo the restroom really THAT long?
That seems rude. We’re Were the line’s lines yo to the restroom really THAT long?
A confession is not an admission of guilt and neither is a conviction. In the eyes of the court, he is still innocent until proven guilty, i.e. convicted.
While your second sentence may be correct, your first is simply untrue.A couple dictionary definitions: An admission of guilt, fault, or a mistake. A formal statement admitting that one is guilty of a crime.
In the eyes of the court, he is still innocent until proven guilty, i.e. convicted.
I’m surprised this monster didn’t deny he did it. The most deranged people tend to continue to lie and refuse to admit guilt even when all evidence, facts, and circumstances point to their guilt.
from the looks of his digs, prison may be an upgrade, eyn'a? i doubt the dude is smart enough to realize that his roommate will probably be a little more aggressive than his previous prisonerbtw-interesting moniker there mud
Yeah, thats not accurate. In this case, the evidence is probably overwhelming and this might have been the first crime he has committed. The background/timeline being conducted on him will resolve this question, but based upon the initial reporting, glad they got him early. Just think, if the girl had gotten off the bus two minutes earlier or if the subject had made a stop somewhere in his car, he would of never seen the victim. It probably would have been someone else later on. As far as other subjects who have committed such offenses for years and then get caught, aka a serial killer, the majority of them do confess. These are the extremely deranged personalities. These subjects, when evidence is overwhelming, love to discuss their criminal acts because it brings them recollection of their crimes and the fantasies involved. Want good examples of this, read the stories of Edmund Kemper, Gary Ridgway and John Gacy.
I hate to disappoint, but sex offenders often are housed together exactly to avoid what you're talking about. So if you're conjuring up some revenge fantasy where this guy gets his just desserts from his cellie, you might be disappointed.Like it or not, the prisons have a Constitutional obligation (and some would say moral and ethical obligations) to protect those in government custody."The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons.” ― Fyodor Dostoevsky "A calm and dispassionate recognition of the rights of the accused against the State, and even of convicted criminals against the State … a desire and eagerness to rehabilitate in the world of industry all those who have paid their dues in the hard coinage of punishment … and an unfaltering faith that there is a treasure, if you can only find it, in the heart of every man — these are the symbols which in the treatment of crime and criminals mark and measure the stored-up strength of a nation, and are the sign and proof of the living virtue in it." - Winston Churchill