Jayme Close found alive

[wadesworld]

I will assume she was a 13 year old kidnapping victim instead of a murderer of her own parents until something to suggest otherwise comes out.

[real chili 83]

I will assume she was a 13 year old kidnapping victim instead of a murderer of her own parents until something to suggest otherwise comes out.

This^^^^^^^^^

[jsglow]

I will assume she was a 13 year old kidnapping victim instead of a murderer of her own parents until something to suggest otherwise comes out.

+1

[real chili 83]

In Douglas Co, WI.  Suspect in custody.   Missing since October.   Amazing, hope she is ok.

ZFB, check your spelling

[mu03eng]

I will assume she was a 13 year old kidnapping victim instead of a murderer of her own parents until something to suggest otherwise comes out.

Feels like a universal truth

[Benny B]

I will assume she was a 13 year old kidnapping victim instead of a murderer of her own parents until something to suggest otherwise comes out.

Assumption is the mother of all f—k ups.  Perhaps its best to assume nothing?

[real chili 83]

How so?   Sure seems like the police never had the kidnapper as a suspect, didn't find her, and she escaped on her own. 

Again, I greatly respect the jobs LEOs do, but I don't see a lot of success here.   I'll be happy to read that the kidnapper made mistakes due to the police closing in on him, but so far that's not known.

Tripping over themselves to thank each other.....seems like the last thing they were doing.

I can only imagine the heartache the law enforcement offers felt over the past 80+ days, and having to stuff it inside and do their job professionally.  To have this kind of a case come to a "good" ending was probably the last thing they were expecting 24 hours previously.

[wadesworld]

Assumption is the mother of all f—k ups.  Perhaps its best to assume nothing?

In a situation like this I'm fine assuming she's a victim here. If the police felt there was a reason to suspect wrongdoing by her she probably wouldn't be back reunited with family.

And even if she was at fault for anything here, chances are, being that she was 13 years old, her parents gave her some reason to feel a desperate need to get out of some situation, or some 21 year old guy convinced her she was in a situation she needed to be out of. So even if she did do something here, which again, I'll assume the 13 year old girl who went missing after her parents were murdered, I'll still feel more concerned about how the adults in her life could put her in that situation rather than lay a bunch of blame on her.

[Jay Bee]

In a situation like this I'm fine assuming she's a victim here. If the police felt there was a reason to suspect wrongdoing by her she probably wouldn't be back reunited with family.

Nonsense.

[jesmu84]

In a situation like this I'm fine assuming she's a victim here. If the police felt there was a reason to suspect wrongdoing by her she probably wouldn't be back reunited with family.

And even if she was at fault for anything here, chances are, being that she was 13 years old, her parents gave her some reason to feel a desperate need to get out of some situation, or some 21 year old guy convinced her she was in a situation she needed to be out of. So even if she did do something here, which again, I'll assume the 13 year old girl who went missing after her parents were murdered, I'll still feel more concerned about how the adults in her life could put her in that situation rather than lay a bunch of blame on her.

I always find discussions on age vs responsibility interesting. We really haven't figured out, as a society, how to reconcile those 2 thing. And I am reminded of the Dave Chapelle bit:

https://www.youtube.com/v/75XKGVwGEt4

[Cheeks]

Tripping over themselves to thank each other.....seems like the last thing they were doing.

I can only imagine the heartache the law enforcement offers felt over the past 80+ days, and having to stuff it inside and do their job professionally.  To have this kind of a case come to a "good" ending was probably the last thing they were expecting 24 hours previously.

Agree.

This week was law enforcement appreciation.

Three more cops killed this week, two of them female cops.  2018 more cops died than 2017.

Tough gig.   

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Wow, there is some inane speculation in this thread. 

[reinko]

Wow, there is same inane speculation in this thread.

Welcome to the internet friend.  You must be new here.

[rocket surgeon]

Agree.

This week was law enforcement appreciation.

Three more cops killed this week, two of them female cops.  2018 more cops died than 2017.

Tough gig.   

great point my man!!  i saw true, raw emotion from sheriff calling jayme closs the real hero here.  if i'm not mistaken, he looked like he had some watery eyes

[Benny B]

In a situation like this I'm fine assuming she's a victim here. If the police felt there was a reason to suspect wrongdoing by her she probably wouldn't be back reunited with family.

And even if she was at fault for anything here, chances are, being that she was 13 years old, her parents gave her some reason to feel a desperate need to get out of some situation, or some 21 year old guy convinced her she was in a situation she needed to be out of. So even if she did do something here, which again, I'll assume the 13 year old girl who went missing after her parents were murdered, I'll still feel more concerned about how the adults in her life could put her in that situation rather than lay a bunch of blame on her.

God help you if you ever meet parents of a mentally ill child.  I guess it's the parents' fault if they didn't genetically engineer their child, right?

[wadesworld]

God help you if you ever meet parents of a mentally ill child.  I guess it's the parents' fault if they didn't genetically engineer their child, right?

What the eff are you talking about?

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Welcome to the internet friend.  You must be new here.

I was just surprised at the extent of it, which I guess I should have expected. 

[warriorchick]

CBS had a "48 Hours" episode last night about Jayme Closs.

At the time the crimes happened, they searched the family's phone records and computers, and there is no evidence that there was any communication between the Jake Patterson and the Closs family. He lived 80 miles away. Several years ago he worked for one day at the same plant that the parents worked at - in a completely different department.

[The Sultan]

CBS had a "48 Hours" episode last night about Jayme Closs.

At the time the crimes happened, they searched the family's phone records and computers, and there is no evidence that there was any communication between the Jake Patterson and the Closs family. He lived 80 miles away. Several years ago he worked for one day at the same plant that the parents worked at - in a completely different department.

So the questions remains is how he "found" her.  Online? Randomly out in public somewhere? The answer will come out soon.

[CreightonWarrior]

I will assume she was a 13 year old kidnapping victim instead of a murderer of her own parents until something to suggest otherwise comes out.

Looks like this (not shockingly) is holding up. Seems like whole story came out today. Very frightening.

[tower912]

Spotted her getting off the bus and decided she was the one he would abduct.  Crazy guy, no conspiracy.

[nyg]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/suspect-wisconsin-killings-kidnapping-due-court-045806027.html

Good writeup based on the criminal complaint filed by arresting officers. 

No description of an sexual assault, detectives wouldn't put that in the complaint knowing it would be made public. 

A predator, who looks like he confessed, now background on whereabouts and has he done other crimes in his past. 

[buckchuckler]

What a completely horrifying story.

[jsglow]

As graduates of a Jesuit institution, let us all pray tonight that God blesses her with His grace as she seeks to overcome this unimaginable nightmare, one day at a time.  Jamye has upwards of 70 more years here on earth.  May God grant her peace and strength.  Amen.   

[Benny B]

As graduates of a Jesuit institution, let us all pray tonight that God blesses her with His grace as she seeks to overcome this unimaginable nightmare, one day at a time.  Jamye has upwards of 70 more years here on earth.  May God grant her peace and strength.  Amen.   

Grant her the strength to survive the trial and the perseverance to heal.

Completely irrational and random acts like this have the same effect on the public psyche as terrorism... maybe one might expect this in a foreign country or a big city.  But it only shows that no matter how much effort you expend to avoid risk, evil can still find you.