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Jayme Close found alive
« on: January 10, 2019, 09:14:44 PM »
In Douglas Co, WI.  Suspect in custody.   Missing since October.   Amazing, hope she is ok.
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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2019, 09:18:22 PM »
Not going to state what I’ve long thought to be the backstory on this one, but am curious as to what others think happened.

Pretty crazy. Hope a lot of info comes out by tmrw morning

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2019, 09:54:56 PM »
Not going to state what I’ve long thought to be the backstory on this one, but am curious as to what others think happened.

Pretty crazy. Hope a lot of info comes out by tmrw morning

Well Steven Avery is in jail so not that
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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2019, 10:39:48 AM »
Not going to state what I’ve long thought to be the backstory on this one, but am curious as to what others think happened.

Pretty crazy. Hope a lot of info comes out by tmrw morning

I have a suspicion, from things Ive read, that her parents were involved in some form of trafficking, narcotics or human, and double crossed people more powerful than themselves.  Shocking that she is alive and seemingly unharmed, unexpected silver lining.

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2019, 10:50:37 AM »
I have a suspicion, from things Ive read, that her parents were involved in some form of trafficking, narcotics or human, and double crossed people more powerful than themselves.  Shocking that she is alive and seemingly unharmed, unexpected silver lining.

They said this morning that suspect had this plan all along. To kill the parents and kidnap her. The questions are how he became aware of her AND if she was in any way complicit.

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2019, 10:58:42 AM »
They said this morning that suspect had this plan all along. To kill the parents and kidnap her. The questions are how he became aware of her AND if she was in any way complicit.

Why would this be important to you?  She is a child.  Would it make her any less of a victim?
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2019, 11:06:20 AM »
Why would this be important to you?  She is a child.  Would it make her any less of a victim?


Of course not. How did I imply that? It's more of a curiosity as to how this entire episode played out more than anything.

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2019, 11:20:10 AM »
The kidnapper may have tried to form a connection with her over the internet to gain her trust. Then killed her parents, kidnapped her and locked her up, similar to other horrific cases of kidnapping and rape that we have heard about in the news media; where the victim has been held captive for years. Thankfully Jayme was able to escape. It’s very very scary that people exist in this world who have no moral compass, or feelings for others that they will do anything to serve their own needs and desires. I don’t know how these disgusting people can even close their eyes and go to sleep at night, let alone live with themselves all day.

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2019, 11:22:50 AM »

Of course not. How did I imply that? It's more of a curiosity as to how this entire episode played out more than anything.

It's just not a scenario I would have lept to.
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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2019, 11:24:09 AM »
I listened to the press conference .. all these law enforcement guys tripping over themselves to thank themselves.   Sure, they put in a lot of time, as is their job, and I respect that greatly.  But in the end, all that work and effort -- they never found her. 

She's only safe because she got a chance to walk away and find a citizen to call 911, not due to some sharp police work or rescue.

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2019, 11:31:25 AM »
How do they still not know who made the initial 911 call?  Wouldn't that be one of the first things they would try to figure out 3 months ago?

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2019, 11:32:25 AM »
There's so much about the story that we don't know.  I'll say a couple things.  One, speculation at this juncture isn't useful. Two, the public awareness via news, social media, billboards, etc. aided in her safe recovery as she was immediately recognized and whisked to safety.  Three, she's one tough as nails young lady and I sincerely hope that she can get the help she'll certainly need for a very long time to try to recover as best as she can and lead a happy, productive life.  I understand that Elizabeth Smart has already reached out via proper channels.

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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2019, 11:42:16 AM »
It's just not a scenario I would have lept to.


I'm not really leaping to anything. Slate is calling it an "alleged abduction." Other sources are calling it a "disappearance." They are acknowledging that it is unknown at this time if she was abducted or if she went willingly. That's not speculation. It is the opposite of speculation.

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2019, 11:56:53 AM »
I have a suspicion, from things Ive read, that her parents were involved in some form of trafficking, narcotics or human, and double crossed people more powerful than themselves.  Shocking that she is alive and seemingly unharmed, unexpected silver lining.

Any links you can provide?
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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2019, 12:33:47 PM »
There's so much about the story that we don't know.  I'll say a couple things.  One, speculation at this juncture isn't useful.

Three, she's one tough as nails young lady

Seems like 1 & 3 are at odds with each other

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2019, 01:36:25 PM »
Any links you can provide?

I'll have to check, I remember seeing them around the original crime date.

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2019, 03:17:58 PM »
Seems like 1 & 3 are at odds with each other


Actually so is #2. Trauma isn't something that just happens to anyone. We can't say for sure she will experience lots of it, just as we can't say she wont be emotionally crippled forever.

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2019, 04:42:17 PM »
Where this young woman was found is a pretty remote part of the world. Just not much out there, save for toilet paper farms. A substantial part of that section of Douglas County has been mowed over and replanted.

At some point, the Douglas County Sheriff had to find the perpitrator. Give 'em credit, they brought him in alive and will allow for him to face justice for the crime.
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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2019, 08:21:11 PM »
I listened to the press conference .. all these law enforcement guys tripping over themselves to thank themselves.   Sure, they put in a lot of time, as is their job, and I respect that greatly.  But in the end, all that work and effort -- they never found her.

It's always like this. Wetterling case comes to mind. In The Dark is one hell of a podcast.

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2019, 08:29:09 PM »
It's always like this. Wetterling case comes to mind. In The Dark is one hell of a podcast.

Exactly what came to my mind. Incredible podcast.

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2019, 08:43:18 PM »
I listened to the press conference .. all these law enforcement guys tripping over themselves to thank themselves.   Sure, they put in a lot of time, as is their job, and I respect that greatly.  But in the end, all that work and effort -- they never found her. 

She's only safe because she got a chance to walk away and find a citizen to call 911, not due to some sharp police work or rescue.

You are waaaaay out of bounds on this.

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2019, 09:34:44 PM »
The kidnapper may have tried to form a connection with her over the internet to gain her trust. Then killed her parents, kidnapped her and locked her up, similar to other horrific cases of kidnapping and rape that we have heard about in the news media; where the victim has been held captive for years. Thankfully Jayme was able to escape. It’s very very scary that people exist in this world who have no moral compass, or feelings for others that they will do anything to serve their own needs and desires. I don’t know how these disgusting people can even close their eyes and go to sleep at night, let alone live with themselves all day.

So long as were speculating, I’m in the boat on the theory that these two knew each other well before this went down, but the murder was not premeditated.  Too much of a struggle.
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« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2019, 10:09:08 PM »
So long as were speculating, I’m in the boat on the theory that these two knew each other well before this went down, but the murder was not premeditated.  Too much of a struggle.

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2019, 11:19:23 PM »
You are waaaaay out of bounds on this.

How so?   Sure seems like the police never had the kidnapper as a suspect, didn't find her, and she escaped on her own. 

Again, I greatly respect the jobs LEOs do, but I don't see a lot of success here.   I'll be happy to read that the kidnapper made mistakes due to the police closing in on him, but so far that's not known.

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« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2019, 12:47:24 AM »
Why would this be important to you?  She is a child.  Would it make her any less of a victim?

It would if she pulled the trigger.   Not saying she did, but that would make her less a victim.
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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2019, 12:49:28 AM »
I will assume she was a 13 year old kidnapping victim instead of a murderer of her own parents until something to suggest otherwise comes out.

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« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2019, 04:54:52 AM »
I will assume she was a 13 year old kidnapping victim instead of a murderer of her own parents until something to suggest otherwise comes out.

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« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2019, 08:23:35 AM »
I will assume she was a 13 year old kidnapping victim instead of a murderer of her own parents until something to suggest otherwise comes out.

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2019, 09:39:59 AM »
In Douglas Co, WI.  Suspect in custody.   Missing since October.   Amazing, hope she is ok.

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2019, 10:03:56 AM »
I will assume she was a 13 year old kidnapping victim instead of a murderer of her own parents until something to suggest otherwise comes out.

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« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2019, 10:18:36 AM »
I will assume she was a 13 year old kidnapping victim instead of a murderer of her own parents until something to suggest otherwise comes out.

Assumption is the mother of all f—k ups.  Perhaps its best to assume nothing?
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« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2019, 11:29:25 AM »
How so?   Sure seems like the police never had the kidnapper as a suspect, didn't find her, and she escaped on her own. 

Again, I greatly respect the jobs LEOs do, but I don't see a lot of success here.   I'll be happy to read that the kidnapper made mistakes due to the police closing in on him, but so far that's not known.

Tripping over themselves to thank each other.....seems like the last thing they were doing.

I can only imagine the heartache the law enforcement offers felt over the past 80+ days, and having to stuff it inside and do their job professionally.  To have this kind of a case come to a “good” ending was probably the last thing they were expecting 24 hours previously.

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« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2019, 12:57:28 PM »
Assumption is the mother of all f—k ups.  Perhaps its best to assume nothing?

In a situation like this I’m fine assuming she’s a victim here. If the police felt there was a reason to suspect wrongdoing by her she probably wouldn’t be back reunited with family.

And even if she was at fault for anything here, chances are, being that she was 13 years old, her parents gave her some reason to feel a desperate need to get out of some situation, or some 21 year old guy convinced her she was in a situation she needed to be out of. So even if she did do something here, which again, I’ll assume the 13 year old girl who went missing after her parents were murdered, I’ll still feel more concerned about how the adults in her life could put her in that situation rather than lay a bunch of blame on her.

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« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2019, 01:03:37 PM »
In a situation like this I’m fine assuming she’s a victim here. If the police felt there was a reason to suspect wrongdoing by her she probably wouldn’t be back reunited with family.


Nonsense.

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« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2019, 01:45:14 PM »
In a situation like this I’m fine assuming she’s a victim here. If the police felt there was a reason to suspect wrongdoing by her she probably wouldn’t be back reunited with family.

And even if she was at fault for anything here, chances are, being that she was 13 years old, her parents gave her some reason to feel a desperate need to get out of some situation, or some 21 year old guy convinced her she was in a situation she needed to be out of. So even if she did do something here, which again, I’ll assume the 13 year old girl who went missing after her parents were murdered, I’ll still feel more concerned about how the adults in her life could put her in that situation rather than lay a bunch of blame on her.

I always find discussions on age vs responsibility interesting. We really haven't figured out, as a society, how to reconcile those 2 thing. And I am reminded of the Dave Chapelle bit:

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« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2019, 01:53:59 PM »
Tripping over themselves to thank each other.....seems like the last thing they were doing.

I can only imagine the heartache the law enforcement offers felt over the past 80+ days, and having to stuff it inside and do their job professionally.  To have this kind of a case come to a “good” ending was probably the last thing they were expecting 24 hours previously.

Agree.

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« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2019, 07:44:45 PM »
Wow, there is some inane speculation in this thread. 
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« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2019, 07:51:06 PM »
Wow, there is same inane speculation in this thread.

Welcome to the internet friend.  You must be new here.

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« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2019, 09:06:49 PM »
Agree.

This week was law enforcement appreciation.

Three more cops killed this week, two of them female cops.  2018 more cops died than 2017.

Tough gig.   

great point my man!!  i saw true, raw emotion from sheriff calling jayme closs the real hero here.  if i'm not mistaken, he looked like he had some watery eyes

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« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2019, 09:17:44 PM »
In a situation like this I’m fine assuming she’s a victim here. If the police felt there was a reason to suspect wrongdoing by her she probably wouldn’t be back reunited with family.

And even if she was at fault for anything here, chances are, being that she was 13 years old, her parents gave her some reason to feel a desperate need to get out of some situation, or some 21 year old guy convinced her she was in a situation she needed to be out of. So even if she did do something here, which again, I’ll assume the 13 year old girl who went missing after her parents were murdered, I’ll still feel more concerned about how the adults in her life could put her in that situation rather than lay a bunch of blame on her.

God help you if you ever meet parents of a mentally ill child.  I guess it’s the parents’ fault if they didn’t genetically engineer their child, right?
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« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2019, 09:33:17 PM »
God help you if you ever meet parents of a mentally ill child.  I guess it’s the parents’ fault if they didn’t genetically engineer their child, right?

What the eff are you talking about?

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« Reply #41 on: January 12, 2019, 10:49:24 PM »
Welcome to the internet friend.  You must be new here.

I was just surprised at the extent of it, which I guess I should have expected. 

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« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2019, 09:32:11 AM »
CBS had a "48 Hours" episode last night about Jayme Closs.

At the time the crimes happened, they searched the family's phone records and computers, and there is no evidence that there was any communication between the Jake Patterson and the Closs family. He lived 80 miles away. Several years ago he worked for one day at the same plant that the parents worked at - in a completely different department.
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« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2019, 09:54:31 AM »
CBS had a "48 Hours" episode last night about Jayme Closs.

At the time the crimes happened, they searched the family's phone records and computers, and there is no evidence that there was any communication between the Jake Patterson and the Closs family. He lived 80 miles away. Several years ago he worked for one day at the same plant that the parents worked at - in a completely different department.


So the questions remains is how he "found" her.  Online? Randomly out in public somewhere? The answer will come out soon.

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« Reply #44 on: January 14, 2019, 03:30:27 PM »
I will assume she was a 13 year old kidnapping victim instead of a murderer of her own parents until something to suggest otherwise comes out.
Looks like this (not shockingly) is holding up. Seems like whole story came out today. Very frightening.

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« Reply #45 on: January 14, 2019, 03:33:53 PM »
Spotted her getting off the bus and decided she was the one he would abduct.  Crazy guy, no conspiracy.
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« Reply #46 on: January 14, 2019, 03:40:32 PM »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/suspect-wisconsin-killings-kidnapping-due-court-045806027.html

Good writeup based on the criminal complaint filed by arresting officers. 

No description of an sexual assault, detectives wouldn't put that in the complaint knowing it would be made public. 

A predator, who looks like he confessed, now background on whereabouts and has he done other crimes in his past. 

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« Reply #47 on: January 14, 2019, 03:47:47 PM »
What a completely horrifying story.
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« Reply #48 on: January 14, 2019, 04:39:21 PM »
As graduates of a Jesuit institution, let us all pray tonight that God blesses her with His grace as she seeks to overcome this unimaginable nightmare, one day at a time.  Jamye has upwards of 70 more years here on earth.  May God grant her peace and strength.  Amen.   

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« Reply #49 on: January 14, 2019, 04:45:43 PM »
As graduates of a Jesuit institution, let us all pray tonight that God blesses her with His grace as she seeks to overcome this unimaginable nightmare, one day at a time.  Jamye has upwards of 70 more years here on earth.  May God grant her peace and strength.  Amen.   

Grant her the strength to survive the trial and the perseverance to heal.

Completely irrational and random acts like this have the same effect on the public psyche as terrorism... maybe one might expect this in a foreign country or a big city.  But it only shows that no matter how much effort you expend to avoid risk, evil can still find you.
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« Reply #50 on: January 14, 2019, 05:02:19 PM »
Grant her the strength to survive the trial and the perseverance to heal.

Completely irrational and random acts like this have the same effect on the public psyche as terrorism... maybe one might expect this in a foreign country or a big city.  But it only shows that no matter how much effort you expend to avoid risk, evil can still find you.

Subject facing two counts of murder and one kidnapping.  Each one probably has life sentence.  Don't believe Wisconsin executes felons, so no discussions of downward plea.  In light of the overwhelming evidence as detailed in complaint (which doesn't include all, just enough for probable cause), to include a confession, probably no trial and victim will be spared with the terror of testifying. 

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« Reply #51 on: January 14, 2019, 06:45:16 PM »
Subject facing two counts of murder and one kidnapping.  Each one probably has life sentence.  Don't believe Wisconsin executes felons, so no discussions of downward plea.  In light of the overwhelming evidence as detailed in complaint (which doesn't include all, just enough for probable cause), to include a confession, probably no trial and victim will be spared with the terror of testifying.

3 squares and a cot a day for the rest of his life?  Yes, yes, it costs less.  I'd be happy to start a GoFundMe to cover the differential in cost to have him go straight to Dante's place.
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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #52 on: January 14, 2019, 07:09:00 PM »
sending this dude to the pen is a death sentence.  even prisoners have morals and if it comes out this scum bag had his way with a 13 year old for 88 days, he'll be in huggies for a few days, but i don't think he'll make it back into to training pants. 

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #53 on: January 14, 2019, 07:43:40 PM »
sending this dude to the pen is a death sentence.  even prisoners have morals and if it comes out this scum bag had his way with a 13 year old for 88 days, he'll be in huggies for a few days, but i don't think he'll make it back into to training pants.

I like certainty with things like this, but I get your point. 
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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #54 on: January 14, 2019, 09:45:39 PM »
Subject facing two counts of murder and one kidnapping.  Each one probably has life sentence.  Don't believe Wisconsin executes felons, so no discussions of downward plea.  In light of the overwhelming evidence as detailed in complaint (which doesn't include all, just enough for probable cause), to include a confession, probably no trial and victim will be spared with the terror of testifying.

Incidentally, Wisconsin was the first state to abolish the death penalty.

So unless there’s a federal prosecution involved, the only question about how this guy spends the rest of his final days is: Portage or Waupun?
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« Reply #55 on: January 15, 2019, 12:20:22 AM »
Incidentally, Wisconsin was the first state to abolish the death penalty.

So unless there’s a federal prosecution involved, the only question about how this guy spends the rest of his final days is: Portage or Waupun?

I believe it was Michigan first
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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #56 on: January 15, 2019, 07:39:46 AM »
3 squares and a cot a day for the rest of his life?  Yes, yes, it costs less.  I'd be happy to start a GoFundMe to cover the differential in cost to have him go straight to Dante's place.

Wow, a GoFundMe for death!  Awesome.  But I guess from the guy who once advocated putting executions on PPV, not terribly surprised.

While I know you are being a bit tongue and cheek, kind of weird obsession you might have surrounding money and killing folks.

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« Reply #57 on: January 15, 2019, 08:39:20 AM »
Wow, a GoFundMe for death!  Awesome.  But I guess from the guy who once advocated putting executions on PPV, not terribly surprised.

While I know you are being a bit tongue and cheek, kind of weird obsession you might have surrounding money and killing folks.

George Carlin told cheecks about the death penalty on PPV while rehearsing his Live in New York show.  Ask cheeks, he'll tell you.  They wee in Jerry jones' skybox.
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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #58 on: January 15, 2019, 08:41:27 AM »
They wee in Jerry jones' skybox.

That seems rude. We’re the line’s yo the restroom really THAT long?

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #59 on: January 15, 2019, 09:38:52 AM »
I’m admittedly ignorant about law and the bail system at large but why was he granted bail after he confessed to the crimes?

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #60 on: January 15, 2019, 09:55:11 AM »
I’m admittedly ignorant about law and the bail system at large but why was he granted bail after he confessed to the crimes?

A confession is not an admission of guilt and neither is a conviction.  In the eyes of the court, he is still innocent until proven guilty, i.e. convicted.

Depending on the jurisdiction, some judges will, on principle, grant bail every time, but when it's a felony case and the person is dangerous and/or a flight risk, the judge will set it so extraordinarily high that it's effectively denying of bail.  Other judges will deny bail to anyone and everyone in a capital murder case.  And some judges will simply take your AAA card if you're white and belong to the same country club.

The only times you really see a judge deny bail outright are when the accused is a likely flight risk and/or has the financial capacity to post whatever bail is set... or the crime is so heinous that the public cannot risk the possibility that bail might be posted.
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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #61 on: January 15, 2019, 11:39:38 AM »
A confession is not an admission of guilt and neither is a conviction.  In the eyes of the court, he is still innocent until proven guilty, i.e. convicted.

Depending on the jurisdiction, some judges will, on principle, grant bail every time, but when it's a felony case and the person is dangerous and/or a flight risk, the judge will set it so extraordinarily high that it's effectively denying of bail.  Other judges will deny bail to anyone and everyone in a capital murder case.  And some judges will simply take your AAA card if you're white and belong to the same country club.

The only times you really see a judge deny bail outright are when the accused is a likely flight risk and/or has the financial capacity to post whatever bail is set... or the crime is so heinous that the public cannot risk the possibility that bail might be posted.

Correct, but if the subject was a Wall Street Hedge Fund Manager and took the girl to his vacation cottage, there would be no bail, just as you stated in last paragraph.

The Judge in this case looked at the probationary pre trial financial report and figured out the family doesn't have the appropriate funds to bail the subject out, so set at 5 million. 

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #62 on: January 15, 2019, 01:42:12 PM »
That seems rude. We’re the line’s yo the restroom really THAT long?

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« Reply #63 on: January 15, 2019, 01:55:17 PM »
That seems rude. We’re Were the line’s lines yo to the restroom really THAT long?
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« Reply #64 on: January 15, 2019, 02:28:39 PM »
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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #65 on: January 15, 2019, 04:32:24 PM »
A confession is not an admission of guilt and neither is a conviction.  In the eyes of the court, he is still innocent until proven guilty, i.e. convicted.



While your second sentence may be correct, your first is simply untrue.

A couple dictionary definitions:
       An admission of guilt, fault, or a mistake.
       A formal statement admitting that one is guilty of a crime.

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #66 on: January 15, 2019, 04:39:01 PM »
While your second sentence may be correct, your first is simply untrue.

A couple dictionary definitions:
       An admission of guilt, fault, or a mistake.
       A formal statement admitting that one is guilty of a crime.

I'm guessing it's missing an "it"

A confession is not an admission of guilt and neither is it a conviction.  In the eyes of the court, he is still innocent until proven guilty, i.e. convicted.

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #67 on: January 15, 2019, 04:44:02 PM »
  In the eyes of the court, he is still innocent until proven guilty, i.e. convicted.

Or pleads guilty. 
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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #68 on: January 15, 2019, 04:47:10 PM »
I’m surprised this monster didn’t deny he did it. The most deranged people tend to continue to lie and refuse to admit guilt even when all evidence, facts, and circumstances point to their guilt.

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« Reply #69 on: January 15, 2019, 05:12:47 PM »
I’m surprised this monster didn’t deny he did it. The most deranged people tend to continue to lie and refuse to admit guilt even when all evidence, facts, and circumstances point to their guilt.

Yeah, thats not accurate. In this case, the evidence is probably overwhelming and this might have been the first crime he has committed.  The background/timeline being conducted on him will resolve this question, but based upon the initial reporting, glad they got him early.  Just think, if the girl had gotten off the bus two minutes earlier or if the subject had made a stop somewhere in his car, he would of never seen the victim.  It probably would have been someone else later on. 

As far as other subjects who have committed such offenses for years and then get caught, aka a serial killer, the majority of them do confess.  These are the extremely deranged personalities.  These subjects, when evidence is overwhelming, love to discuss their criminal acts because it brings them recollection of their crimes and the fantasies involved.  Want good examples of this, read the stories of Edmund Kemper, Gary Ridgway and John Gacy. 

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #70 on: January 15, 2019, 05:14:44 PM »
I’m surprised this monster didn’t deny he did it. The most deranged people tend to continue to lie and refuse to admit guilt even when all evidence, facts, and circumstances point to their guilt.

from the looks of his digs, prison may be an upgrade, eyn'a?  i doubt the dude is smart enough to realize that his roommate will probably be a little more aggressive than his previous prisoner

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #71 on: January 15, 2019, 05:41:31 PM »
from the looks of his digs, prison may be an upgrade, eyn'a?  i doubt the dude is smart enough to realize that his roommate will probably be a little more aggressive than his previous prisoner

btw-interesting moniker there mud ;)

I hate to disappoint, but sex offenders often are housed together exactly to avoid what you're talking about. So if you're conjuring up some revenge fantasy where this guy gets his just desserts from his cellie, you might be disappointed.
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« Reply #72 on: January 15, 2019, 05:43:54 PM »
Yeah, thats not accurate. In this case, the evidence is probably overwhelming and this might have been the first crime he has committed.  The background/timeline being conducted on him will resolve this question, but based upon the initial reporting, glad they got him early.  Just think, if the girl had gotten off the bus two minutes earlier or if the subject had made a stop somewhere in his car, he would of never seen the victim.  It probably would have been someone else later on. 

As far as other subjects who have committed such offenses for years and then get caught, aka a serial killer, the majority of them do confess.  These are the extremely deranged personalities.  These subjects, when evidence is overwhelming, love to discuss their criminal acts because it brings them recollection of their crimes and the fantasies involved.  Want good examples of this, read the stories of Edmund Kemper, Gary Ridgway and John Gacy.

Or watch mind hunters on Netflix!

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #73 on: January 15, 2019, 06:09:31 PM »
I’m surprised this monster didn’t deny he did it. The most deranged people tend to continue to lie and refuse to admit guilt even when all evidence, facts, and circumstances point to their guilt.

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #74 on: January 15, 2019, 06:41:17 PM »
While your second sentence may be correct, your first is simply untrue.

A couple dictionary definitions:
       An admission of guilt, fault, or a mistake.
       A formal statement admitting that one is guilty of a crime.

Thanks, Webster, but the law defines confessions, pleas and convictions a bit differently.
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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #75 on: January 15, 2019, 07:42:59 PM »
I hate to disappoint, but sex offenders often are housed together exactly to avoid what you're talking about. So if you're conjuring up some revenge fantasy where this guy gets his just desserts from his cellie, you might be disappointed.
Like it or not, the prisons have a Constitutional obligation (and some would say moral and ethical obligations) to protect those in government custody.

"The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons.” ― Fyodor Dostoevsky

"A calm and dispassionate recognition of the rights of the accused against the State, and even of convicted criminals against the State … a desire and eagerness to rehabilitate in the world of industry all those who have paid their dues in the hard coinage of punishment … and an unfaltering faith that there is a treasure, if you can only find it, in the heart of every man — these are the symbols which in the treatment of crime and criminals mark and measure the stored-up strength of a nation, and are the sign and proof of the living virtue in it." - Winston Churchill

  okay fine, but that's what jeff dahmer thought too.  you aren't disappointing me at the very least.    none of you research however, demonstrated anything i stated above was wrong, but thank you for the high road.  i'm just trying to make a little bit of light where there is dark, that's all

    i am a firm believer in karma and i'm not going to waste any room in my head for this scumbag.  whatever happens is out of my hands 

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Re: Jayme Close found alive
« Reply #76 on: January 15, 2019, 07:45:51 PM »
I was upset to see Jeffrey die. He was an amazing interview. Hopefully we can learn something from thing freak... maybe a couple of years of interview. Then I'm cool with some savages offing him.

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« Reply #77 on: January 15, 2019, 08:00:33 PM »
Eh.  Nevermind.
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« Reply #78 on: January 15, 2019, 10:06:34 PM »
I hate to disappoint, but sex offenders often are housed together exactly to avoid what you're talking about. So if you're conjuring up some revenge fantasy where this guy gets his just desserts from his cellie, you might be disappointed.
Like it or not, the prisons have a Constitutional obligation (and some would say moral and ethical obligations) to protect those in government custody.

"The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons.” ― Fyodor Dostoevsky

"A calm and dispassionate recognition of the rights of the accused against the State, and even of convicted criminals against the State … a desire and eagerness to rehabilitate in the world of industry all those who have paid their dues in the hard coinage of punishment … and an unfaltering faith that there is a treasure, if you can only find it, in the heart of every man — these are the symbols which in the treatment of crime and criminals mark and measure the stored-up strength of a nation, and are the sign and proof of the living virtue in it." - Winston Churchill

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