Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[jesmu84]

Are they bombing a sovereign nation, or are they retaliating against a paramilitary organization that attacked US citizens?  If the US military attacked cartel strongholds in Juarez or Sinaloa after they killed US tourists, I wouldn't say they were "bombing Mexico".

Also, thats a tricky precedent to set, any time Iran and its proxies don't like something going on in the Middle East, aka progressive action or Westernization, have paramilitary organizations attacked civilian targets and then it will stop and/or revert

That's a fair discussion to have. I guess the interpretation would be by the host country? Does Yemen approve of the attacks by the US? Would Mexico?

At the end of the day, attacks are an escalatory action. That *could* involve the US in another war.

That's what concerns me. US action that may lead to further escalation resulting in war - this time with the US involved directly.

[JWags85]

That's a fair discussion to have. I guess the interpretation would be by the host country? Does Yemen approve of the attacks by the US? Would Mexico?

At the end of the day, attacks are an escalatory action. That *could* involve the US in another war.

That's what concerns me. US action that may lead to further escalation resulting in war - this time with the US involved directly.

Totally fair.  I don't know if Yemen would tacitly "approve" for appearances sake, but the Houthis aren't any friend to the Yemeni government/ruling parties.  Probably view it as enemy of my enemy stuff. And obviously the Saudis can't stand the Houthis either

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

We'll just have to see what the ICJ concludes.

This conflict started long before 10/7/23.

It's quite possible he doesn't actually know or remember anything that happened there before that date except what's in the Bible. Probably doesn't come up often in what Newsmax tells him.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

A lot going on here

https://nypost.com/2024/01/12/news/gay-jewish-sperm-donor-says-lesbians-ditched-him-over-gaza-war/

[MU82]

Is Israel Part of What It Means to Be Jewish? Some progressive Jews are embracing "diasporism" — reimagining their faith as one that blesses their lives in America and elsewhere.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/14/us/israel-jewish-america-diasporism.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20240115&instance_id=112555&nl=the-morning&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=155354&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa

Last month, on the first night of Hanukkah, more than 200 people packed an old ballroom on the third floor of a restored synagogue in Brooklyn. A few came fresh off the subway from a protest in Manhattan that was organized by left-wing Jewish groups calling for a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war.

They were there to hear from Shaul Magid, 65, whose long, thin white beard and shaved head made him look more like a roadie than a rabbi. A professor of Jewish Studies at Dartmouth as well as (yes) a rabbi, Mr. Magid was there to spread the message elucidated in a new book, "The Necessity of Exile," that Jews today outside Israel — 75 percent of whom live in the United States — should embrace diaspora, the state of living outside a homeland, as a permanent and valuable condition.

"If there's a diasporic reality where Jews have been able to live as Jews, flourish as Jews, not to be oppressed and persecuted — whether they choose to be a Satmar Hasid or Larry David, it doesn't matter — if they're allowed to live the Judaism they want, why would that be a tragedy?" he said.

Mr. Magid's outlook is one of several burgeoning visions for the future of Jewish life that fall under the umbrella of "diasporism." The idea has been getting a new look since Hamas's horrific attack on Israel three months ago and Israel's pulverizing bombing campaign and invasion in Gaza. Those events have forced Jews everywhere to reckon anew with what they think about Israel and the central role it plays in Jewish life — the kind of charged moment when members of spiritual communities can ask themselves what really matters, and sometimes reach radically different conclusions.

One of the things I've always had trouble buying into was that somehow Israeli Jews are the "real" Jews. To some, antisemitism in America is somehow less bad than antisemitism involving Israel, and I never got that.

I happen to think it is possible to strongly support Judaism in America and elsewhere AND to strongly support Israel's right to protect itself as a nation - which includes the cause of eliminating Hamas.

But I don't condemn as "antisemitic" everybody who disagrees with me about Israel's current cause or the way the country is going about handling it. The issue is far too complex.

[The Sultan]

There has always been a anti-Zionist movement within Judaism. Maybe "anti-Zionist" is too strong. Most Reformed Jews for instance don't really have a religious tie to Israel.

[4everwarriors]

Reformed Judaism is simply a "pick and choose" form of religion, aina?

[Pakuni]

Reformed Judaism is simply a "pick and choose" form of religion, aina?

So, exactly like every other form of religion?

[The Sultan]

Reformed Judaism is simply a "pick and choose" form of religion, aina?

Wait til I tell you how most Catholics view Catholicism.

[forgetful]

There has always been a anti-Zionist movement within Judaism. Maybe "anti-Zionist" is too strong. Most Reformed Jews for instance don't really have a religious tie to Israel.

Early on, essentially all Orthodox Jews were firmly against the idea of Zionism, they viewed as disobeying God, who promised their return to Israel only when the Messiah came.

Most Orthodox Jews have moved away from that position, but some still remain and are ostracized.

Others like the article MU82 seem to take a more neutral ground. For a long time (before 1900's), diaspora was a firm tenet of Jewish religion. Some now take a neutral ground and say that they should still cherish the idea of diaspora.

[MU82]

Just FYI, it is not "Reformed Judaism," it is Reform Judaism.

Of the three main ways Judaism is practiced, Reform is the least religious, behind Orthodox and Conservative. Other religions might or might not have similar labels, but there are similar levels to the degrees at which people observe those religions.

There are Orthodox Jews who look down on Reform Jews, but again, that's no different from what takes place in other religions.

There are Reform Jews who actually are quite observant, there are Reform Jews who care deeply about Israel, there are Reform Jews who don't care as deeply about Israel as they do about Judaism where they live (in America or Europe, for example) or Judaism in general.

The vast majority of them (if not all of them) care more about Judaism than gentile dentists who back powerful people that accept and solicit support from antisemites.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

So, exactly like every other form of religion?

Following the dictates of the Old Testament literally is the only true religion.

Which is why 4Qever sold his daughters into slavery.

[MUBurrow]

Wait til I tell you how most Catholics view Catholicism.

Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great. If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate.

[JWags85]

Just FYI, it is not "Reformed Judaism," it is Reform Judaism.

Of the three main ways Judaism is practiced, Reform is the least religious, behind Orthodox and Conservative. Other religions might or might not have similar labels, but there are similar levels to the degrees at which people observe those religions.

There are Orthodox Jews who look down on Reform Jews, but again, that's no different from what takes place in other religions.

There are Reform Jews who actually are quite observant, there are Reform Jews who care deeply about Israel, there are Reform Jews who don't care as deeply about Israel as they do about Judaism where they live (in America or Europe, for example) or Judaism in general.

The vast majority of them (if not all of them) care more about Judaism than gentile dentists who back powerful people that accept and solicit support from antisemites.

Orthodox Jews, the REAL Orthodox ones like we saw digging the tunnel, look down on basically everyone outside of their clan, including any Jews not to their same fervor or observance.  Thats why I found it curious when they kept popping up on social media as an tool for people to be like "look, even these very observant Jews disagree with Israel!" not realizing that they weren't pro Palestine, just anti-Israel as reasoned by forgetful above.

As for Reform Judaism, you're spot on.  There are Reform Jews who only go to the Synagogue for High Holidays and there are Reform Jews who keep kosher and wear a kippah.   I think the only differentiation that needs making is Reform Jews and Secular Jews.  Some often lump them together.  I think Sultan's statement about ties to Israel is very true for Secular Jews, but I don't think its at all representative for Reform Jews.

[MU82]

Orthodox Jews, the REAL Orthodox ones like we saw digging the tunnel, look down on basically everyone outside of their clan, including any Jews not to their same fervor or observance.  Thats why I found it curious when they kept popping up on social media as an tool for people to be like "look, even these very observant Jews disagree with Israel!" not realizing that they weren't pro Palestine, just anti-Israel as reasoned by forgetful above.

As for Reform Judaism, you're spot on.  There are Reform Jews who only go to the Synagogue for High Holidays and there are Reform Jews who keep kosher and wear a kippah.   I think the only differentiation that needs making is Reform Jews and Secular Jews.  Some often lump them together.  I think Sultan's statement about ties to Israel is very true for Secular Jews, but I don't think its at all representative for Reform Jews.

Yes, to all of that. My family includes Jews from up and down the spectrum, including secular Jews, and your understanding is excellent, Wags.

[Pakuni]

Bill Ackman, ladies and gentlemen.

Then during a private VIP dinner that night the question of why Biden didn't run for president in 2016 was raised once again, by former Florida governor and 2016 GOP presidential contender Jeb Bush, who asked Biden "why didn't you run?"
Biden explained that part of the decision stemmed from the death of his son Beau Biden, who died of brain cancer in 2015. The room grew quiet as Biden became emotional, and said: "I'm sorry...I've said enough."
That's when Ackman blurted out "Why? That's never stopped you before."
The formal, and understated dinner conversation suddenly turned tense, according to three people who were present and confirmed both the substance and the wording of Biden's responses.
Biden, these people say, turned to someone seated near him, and asked, "who is this pretty boy?," a reference to Ackman.
Then he turned directly to Ackman and stated: "look, I don't know who you are, wiseass, but never disrespect the memory of my dead son!" these people say.
Ackman attempted what was described as an apology, to which Biden said, "just shut the hell up."

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/joe-bidens-beef-with-bill-ackman-sparks-heated-exchange-and-presidential-chatter

[Jockey]

Sounds like the kind of guy that MAGAts would worship.

Especially says a lot about Heisy.

[The Sultan]

The problem is that Heisey views his financial success as an attribute of him being super intelligent, and therefore he must be smart when it comes to whatever he decides to tweet about.  But what I have usually found is that highly successful people of all sorts are no overall smarter than most people - they are just highly capable and diligent about the particular thing that has made them successful.

No different than Aaron Rodgers. One of them best football players of all time, but really not all that smarter than most of us - especially when it comes to epidemiology.

But fanbois are gonna fanboi.

[forgetful]

The problem is that Heisey views his financial success as an attribute of him being super intelligent, and therefore he must be smart when it comes to whatever he decides to tweet about.  But what I have usually found is that highly successful people of all sorts are no overall smarter than most people - they are just highly capable and diligent about the particular thing that has made them successful.

No different than Aaron Rodgers. One of them best football players of all time, but really not all that smarter than most of us - especially when it comes to epidemiology.

But fanbois are gonna fanboi.

Overall this is 100% true, I'll throw the caveat out that in some cases, they aren't even highly capable and diligent about that particular thing, rather they were gifted a 1500m lead in a 1-mile race, because of an inheritance.

But it is definitely true that high achieving people of all sorts are often no smarter than the average person. It is one of the tenets I always teach my students that may struggle in my class. I emphasize they don't need to be good or the best at everything, each has their own unique skillsets and it is important to accept and acknowledge where you lack ability, and recognize where you stand out.

[JWags85]

Sounds like the kind of guy that MAGAts would worship.

Especially says a lot about Heisy.

FWIW, Ackman has been nearly uniform in his support and donations of Dems, doesn't mean he's not an arrogant ass, but he's never even hinted at MAGA leanings.

I don't know if its been mentioned here, but Ackman's thesis at Harvard was actually surrounding admissions and Jewish/Asian American students.  So demographics of Harvard and its students/staff has clearly been a pet topic of his for some time.

Overall this is 100% true, I'll throw the caveat out that in some cases, they aren't even highly capable and diligent about that particular thing, rather they were gifted a 1500m lead in a 1-mile race, because of an inheritance.

I hear your point, but I don't necessarily think that's totally fair.  There is a reason most fortunes or family companies suffer most in the 3rd generation.  Cause money usually isn't enough if you don't have the brains/drive/connections.  You likely won't be totally broke, but you're not gonna get/stay ahead.

Though I agree that money/inheritance certainly helps noticeably separate two people of similar intellect/skills.  I just always think the "they aren't smart/capable/etc..." argument for very wealthy people/entrepreneurs is lazy unless they literally inherited 9 figure sums and turned it into slightly more 9 figures. 

Maybe someone who got a few hundred thousand or a million from family or friend as startup capital shouldn't represent themselves as bootstrapping or hard scrabble start, but turning that into a 100MM+ company is really not any less impressive if looked at honestly, yet people act like its a dunk to call out the origination of funds.

[Pakuni]

Maybe someone who got a few hundred thousand or a million from family or friend as startup capital shouldn't represent themselves as bootstrapping or hard scrabble start, but turning that into a 100MM+ company is really not any less impressive if looked at honestly, yet people act like its a dunk to call out the origination of funds.

It's not just the origination of the funds - although, if we're being honest, that's the most important thing. But it's also the access, connections, resources and opportunities that come with familial wealth.
One of us and a Bezos kid could each be given $1 million to start a business, and little Bezos would have a much better chance of turning it into a $100 million company simply on account of their name and network.
Coming from wealth doesn't mean one's success is unearned or even unimpressive, it just means you had a far easier path to success than 99 percent of your fellow man.

[4everwarriors]

Bill Ackman, ladies and gentlemen.

Then during a private VIP dinner that night the question of why Biden didn't run for president in 2016 was raised once again, by former Florida governor and 2016 GOP presidential contender Jeb Bush, who asked Biden "why didn't you run?"
Biden explained that part of the decision stemmed from the death of his son Beau Biden, who died of brain cancer in 2015. The room grew quiet as Biden became emotional, and said: "I'm sorry...I've said enough."
That's when Ackman blurted out "Why? That's never stopped you before."
The formal, and understated dinner conversation suddenly turned tense, according to three people who were present and confirmed both the substance and the wording of Biden's responses.
Biden, these people say, turned to someone seated near him, and asked, "who is this pretty boy?," a reference to Ackman.
Then he turned directly to Ackman and stated: "look, I don't know who you are, wiseass, but never disrespect the memory of my dead son!" these people say.
Ackman attempted what was described as an apology, to which Biden said, "just shut the hell up."

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/joe-bidens-beef-with-bill-ackman-sparks-heated-exchange-and-presidential-chatter

Huh? What does this ad hominem attack on Ackman have to do with antisemitism, hey?


#fromtherivertothesea

#neveragain

[Pakuni]

Huh? What does this ad hominem attack on Ackman have to do with antisemitism, hey?

This is a thread about plagiarism in academia.

#don'tcopyandpastewithoutprovidinglinks

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Sounds like the kind of guy that MAGAts would worship.

Especially says a lot about Heisy.

Ackman: "Antisemitism is bad, except when Musk does it."
Also Ackman: "Plagiarism is bad, except when my wife does it."

Sounds like the perfect hypocrite for 4Qver.

[JWags85]

It's not just the origination of the funds - although, if we're being honest, that's the most important thing. But it's also the access, connections, resources and opportunities that come with familial wealth.
One of us and a Bezos kid could each be given $1 million to start a business, and little Bezos would have a much better chance of turning it into a $100 million company simply on account of their name and network.
Coming from wealth doesn't mean one's success is unearned or even unimpressive, it just means you had a far easier path to success than 99 percent of your fellow man.

Sure, but he said "inheritance" so I just went off of that.  No arguments on the path, I just think thats a totally different angle to it all than common implications (not directly citing anyone here) that very successful children from money are just successful cause they came from money. 

I honestly know more middling/life long middle management type people from trust funds (the ones with a totally normal, not super impressive or lucrative job yet drive a very expensive car/have a really nice condo) than the ones who spun it into something impressive among the "rich kids" I knew in college and into my 30s in Chicago.

Thank god this isn't X or I'd have 20 replies calling me a bootlicker.