Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[Hards Alumni]

Doc,

Do you think that plan will gain traction on scoop?

That'd be like nuking Waukesha and expecting Milwaukee to not be affected.  It's foolish.

[Skatastrophy]

That'd be like nuking Waukesha and expecting Milwaukee to not be affected.  It's foolish.

I mean, I wouldn't feel strongly one way or another about losing Waukesha. It'd be a tragedy but... thoughts and prayers

[forgetful]

Should I be surprised that I haven't seen the "hate on campuses is out of control" group comment on the Muslim student at Stanford who was injured in a deliberate hit and run as part of a hate crime yet?

[Hards Alumni]

I do condemn that graffiti (not free speech) as well as anyone who has expressed similar sentiments (free speech). I don't condemn anyone who uses their right to peacefully demonstrate in support of either Israel or Palestine (not Hamas, I strongly condemn anyone who expresses support for Hamas or their actions) and I definitely don't condemn those who peacefully demonstrate in support of peace. I don't know that peace is possible or a reasonable expectation at this point in time, but I strongly believe that it must be the end goal.

Yep same.

[Hards Alumni]

Their has been a giant phase shift in politics in the last generation.

In 2001, the right, lead by the neoconservatives, pushed for war. It was the left in opposition.
Today it is the progressives pushing for war in Ukraine and the party of the neoconservatives becoming ambivalent.

In 2012 it was Barack Obama famously mocked Mitt Romney about his hawkish views on Russia by saying, "the 80s called, they want their foreign policy back."
That 1980s Russian policy in now the policy of the left.

30 or 40 years ago, the democrat party was the home of the working class (think populist party). The Republican Party was run by the wealthy (think country club, chamber of commerce types).
Today the party of the populist is the Republican Party and the party run by the wealthy is the Democrat party (academics and celebrities).

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It is because of these phase shifts that left-right might no longer apply.

See Bill Maher. As a traditional liberal that has not changed his views at all, his audience is switching from progressives to conservatives.

Ditto Matt Taibbi and Glen Greenwall.

This is completely inaccurate  lmao

[Pakuni]

Should I be surprised that I haven't seen the "hate on campuses is out of control" group comment on the Muslim student at Stanford who was injured in a deliberate hit and run as part of a hate crime yet?

Ot this:

Police and the FBI are investigating a death threat slipped under the office door of a Palestinian employee at American University.
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/fbi-investigates-death-threat-against-palestinian-employee-at-american-university/3455917/

Or this:
In the days immediately following Hamas' Oct. 7 attack on Israel, Palestinian, Muslim, and Arab students reported a rise in Islamophobic and anti-Arab rhetoric that some have characterized as reminiscent of the post-9/11 landscape.

Spectator spoke to over a dozen Columbia affiliates about doxxing, physical and verbal harassment, safety on campus, and the University's response. Students said they were spat at, called "terrorists," had their names and personal information added to "doxxing" spreadsheets or websites, had photos taken of them, and endured verbal intimidation after expressing pro-Palestinian views.
https://www.columbiaspectator.com/news/2023/11/02/were-the-ones-being-targeted-pro-palestinian-affiliates-report-harrassment-threats/

Or this:
A message declaring "Death to Palestine" was written on a whiteboard outside of a suite in Grace Hopper College on Monday, Oct. 9. Later that evening, the initial message had been replaced with three Hebrew phrases, which translate to "death to Palestine," "children of whores" and "they are hairy wet cats."

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2023/10/16/messages-declare-death-to-palestine-on-hopper-whiteboard/

Doesn't fit the good guy/bad guy narrative.

[Uncle Rico]

It all sucks.  There are far too many anti-semites, islamophobes and racists in this country.  Events like this only expose them even more and is a sad indictment on what's supposed to be an enlightened society.  A lot of prejudice is rooted in our country's embrace of purposeful ignorance

[Skatastrophy]

It all sucks.  There are far too many anti-semites, islamophobes and racists in this country.  Events like this only expose them even more and is a sad indictment on what's supposed to be an enlightened society.  A lot of prejudice is rooted in our country's embrace of purposeful ignorance

You seem prejudiced against those that embrace ignorance.

[MU82]

It all sucks.  There are far too many anti-semites, islamophobes and racists in this country.  Events like this only expose them even more and is a sad indictment on what's supposed to be an enlightened society.  A lot of prejudice is rooted in our country's embrace of purposeful ignorance

Yep yep yep.

[Uncle Rico]

You seem prejudiced against those that embrace ignorance.

Sure am.  Even more prejudiced against those that encourage it, especially those in leadership positions, be it politically, religiously or locally

[rocket surgeon]

Should I be surprised that I haven't seen the "hate on campuses is out of control" group comment on the Muslim student at Stanford who was injured in a deliberate hit and run as part of a hate crime yet?

  hey, ya found one

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Should I be surprised that I haven't seen the "hate on campuses is out of control" group comment on the Muslim student at Stanford who was injured in a deliberate hit and run as part of a hate crime yet?

The comment above mine should answer your question for you.

[Skatastrophy]

  hey, ya found one

The one instance of racism against arabs? lol

[Uncle Rico]

  hey, ya found one

It's okay to admit there is rampant Islamophobia.  It's okay to admit there is rampant anti-semitism.  Both are abhorrent and those partaking deserve scorn and zero sympathy for the ramifications on their future employability

[lawdog77]

It's okay to admit there is rampant Islamophobia.  It's okay to admit there is rampant anti-semitism.  Both are abhorrent and those partaking deserve scorn and zero sympathy for the ramifications on their future employability

Yes, and generally when there is an increase in one, there is an increase in the other.Just a bad cycle.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Yes, and generally when there is an increase in one, there is an increase in the other.Just a bad cycle.

One group significantly scares dentists more than the other though.

[MuggsyB]

Uhuh.....there's Islamophobia too.  And racism, and misogyny.  Nice fking analysis and contextualizing.  If the KKK and other racists scumbags tomorrow went into a black neighborhood and massacred 1500 innocent civilians, in the fashion that the Jews (and some Muslims) in Israel were murdered, would this be your fking response?  Seriously,?  And btw there are 16 million Jews on the entire freaking planet.  There are like 1.5 BILLION Muslims.  Look at what's going on here and across the world to our Jewish citizens.  This is absolutely disgusting and making any moral equivalency is quite frankly ludicrous. 

[The Sultan]

Uhuh.....there's Islamophobia too.  And racism, and misogyny.  Nice fking analysis and contextualizing.  If the KKK and other racists cumbags tomorrow went into a black neighborhood and massacred 1500 innocent civilians, in the fashion that the Jews (and some Muslims) in Israel were murdered, would this be your fking response?  Seriously,?  And btw there are 16 million Jews on the entire freaking planet.  There are like 1.5 BILLION Muslims.  Look at what's going on here and across the world to our Jewish citizens.  This is absolutely disgusting and making any moral equivalency is quite frankly ludicrous. 

So since there are more Muslims than Jews, it is more acceptable to descriminate against them?

[Hards Alumni]

Uhuh.....there's Islamophobia too.  And racism, and misogyny.  Nice fking analysis and contextualizing.  If the KKK and other racists cumbags tomorrow went into a black neighborhood and massacred 1500 innocent civilians, in the fashion that the Jews (and some Muslims) in Israel were murdered, would this be your fking response?  Seriously,?  And btw there are 16 million Jews on the entire freaking planet.  There are like 1.5 BILLION Muslims.  Look at what's going on here and across the world to our Jewish citizens.  This is absolutely disgusting and making any moral equivalency is quite frankly ludicrous.

I don't know where to begin.

[lawdog77]

Uhuh.....there's Islamophobia too.  And racism, and misogyny.  Nice fking analysis and contextualizing.  If the KKK and other racists cumbags tomorrow went into a black neighborhood and massacred 1500 innocent civilians, in the fashion that the Jews (and some Muslims) in Israel were murdered, would this be your fking response?  Seriously,?  And btw there are 16 million Jews on the entire freaking planet.  There are like 1.5 BILLION Muslims.  Look at what's going on here and across the world to our Jewish citizens.  This is absolutely disgusting and making any moral equivalency is quite frankly ludicrous.

Granted, I may have skimmed over some posts, but who is saying Hamas shouldn't be punished?

[rocket surgeon]

One group significantly scares dentists more than the other though.

God dang you're almost as funny as reeeeko

[forgetful]

It's okay to admit there is rampant Islamophobia.  It's okay to admit there is rampant anti-semitism.  Both are abhorrent and those partaking deserve scorn and zero sympathy for the ramifications on their future employability

This.

Yes, and generally when there is an increase in one, there is an increase in the other.Just a bad cycle.

And also agree.

The purpose of pointing out the ongoing hate for both groups is in part to point/out remind everyone that this hate, and cycles of hate are manifest throughout our society and needed to be stopped.

It is not, as some have tried to imply, a one-sided hate issue resulting from something Universities are teaching. Rather, universities go out of their way to require development of critical thinking skills that can hopefully end cycles of hate.

[MU82]

Uhuh.....there's Islamophobia too.  And racism, and misogyny.  Nice fking analysis and contextualizing.  If the KKK and other racists cumbags tomorrow went into a black neighborhood and massacred 1500 innocent civilians, in the fashion that the Jews (and some Muslims) in Israel were murdered, would this be your fking response?  Seriously,?  And btw there are 16 million Jews on the entire freaking planet.  There are like 1.5 BILLION Muslims.  Look at what's going on here and across the world to our Jewish citizens.  This is absolutely disgusting and making any moral equivalency is quite frankly ludicrous.

Sigh.

[Heisenberg]

Plenty of stories of antisemitism.

Here is one example from this weekend. A self-described Palestinian woman rammed her car into a Jewish school in Indianapolis.

https://www.wishtv.com/news/crime-watch-8/report-woman-drives-into-building-attempts-to-target-indianapolis-jewish-community/
According to investigators with the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department, Ruba Almaghtheh told one officer she has been watching the news and couldn't breath anymore. She referenced her people back in Palestine. Almaghtheh said she passed by a couple times and saw the "Israel school." Almaghtheh further stated, "Yes. I did do it on purpose."

So since there are more Muslims than Jews, it is more acceptable to descriminate against them?

FBI Director Christopher Wray said the U.S. is seeing "historic" levels of antisemitism ... And when you look at a group that makes up 2.4 percent, roughly, of the American population, it should be jarring to everyone that that same population accounts for something like 60 percent of all religious-based hate crimes, and so they need our help," Wray said.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4286146-fbi-director-warns-of-historic-antisemitism-levels/

I'll answer the question: antisemitism is far more prevalent than Islamaphobia.

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Now, you are going to say that both are equally as bad. I agree. So, what should be done about this wave of violence?

Crack down on violent speech? Arrest everyone that says "River to the Sea" and other such violent actions (and yes, if similar things are said against Muslims, arrest them too?)

Is that too hard? Then, shut down all demonstrations? Violation of the First Amendment?

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Can nothing be done about this? If so, what is the point of bringing these incidents up? It is only going to get worse and worse.

[Lennys Tap]

The one instance of racism against arabs? lol

When did Arabs stop being semites?