Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[Heisenberg]

Wasn't the naming of Judea "Palestine"  arguably anti-Jewish?  I don't think Palestinians were technically an ethnicity until just after WWI.  They're Arabs, and yet the other Arabs use them as pawns and  literally have no other interest in them as far as I can tell.

The theory is when the Romans kicked the Jews off their land, they renamed to people from Judea Philistines to insult the Jews. Palestinian is a derivative of this, which peaks volumes to their goals.


Yes Palestine was invented in the 20th century and has never been a formal place.

In 1967 the West Bank was part of Jordan. Gaza was part of Egypt. So they were Jordanian and Egyptian, not Palestinian.

The PLO was formed in 1964. A good time to have created Palestine would have been when the West Bank for part of Jordan and Gaza was part of Egypt. But, they were not very interested in creating Palestine until the lost those lands in 1967.

[Heisenberg]

I wish you wouldn't have said this H2O. Honestly, I've been reading your recent posts, and your wording has been welcome, at least by me. You aren't changing your commitment to your belief, respect, and you are acknowledging there is complication and nuance. You are open to peace, you are open to Palestine as a state free from terrorist governance, with assurances and guidelines, of course. Then, you say this. So close, H2O, so close.

Fair enough ... I will refrain from responding to these attacks, like the one right above your post

Baby ... I apologize.

[forgetful]

First, UN Resolution 242 was not vetoed, it was unanimously adopted in November 1967.  (Is this part where I get to condescend the "thoughtful and well researched" post you did? Do I get to call you "not a serious person?")

You are welcome to call me "not a serious person," but it is simpler for me to simply say I was wrong about the actual UN resolution 242. What is true, is that every resolution since then, largely starting in 1976 that proposed 2-states solutions based on Resolution 242 were vetoed by the US.

My error.

For the rest, and in general. All the peace agreements were based on Resolution 242. That occurred after the 6-day war, so arguing that Israel winning that war changes the narrative is mute, when the world agreed on resolution 242 after the 6-day war.

But you should change your argument from. The Palestinians have never offered a 2-state plan, to they never offered one that you and Israel like, because the former is not true.

[MuggsyB]

The theory is when the Romans kicked the Jews off their land, they renamed to people from Judea Philistines to insult the Jews. Palestinian is a derivative of this, which peaks volumes to their goals.


Yes Palestine was invented in the 20th century and has never been a formal place.

In 1967 the West Bank was part of Jordan. Gaza was part of Egypt. So they were Jordanian and Egyptian, not Palestinian.

The PLO was formed in 1964. A good time to have created Palestine would have been when the West Bank for part of Jordan and Gaza was part of Egypt. But, they were not very interested in creating Palestine until the lost those lands in 1967.

I'm interested in creating something completely different in the entire Middle East but I suppose I'm alone in this idea. 

[lawdog77]

My teenaged daughter wants to start a rock and roll band. I will allow it only if she names it the Western Progressives.

[JWags85]

I'm interested in creating something completely different in the entire Middle East but I suppose I'm alone in this idea.

Which is?

[MuggsyB]

Which is?

I don't want to upset anyone JWags but I don't like world threats. 

[MU82]

Which is?

Would involve a 6th point to the plan. And if Muggs told you, he'd have to introduce you to darkness.

[MuggsyB]

Would involve a 6th point to the plan. And if Muggs told you, he'd have to introduce you to darkness.

I wouldn't do that to JWags or any Scooper.

[forgetful]

The theory is when the Romans kicked the Jews off their land, they renamed to people from Judea Philistines to insult the Jews. Palestinian is a derivative of this, which peaks volumes to their goals.


Yes Palestine was invented in the 20th century and has never been a formal place.

In 1967 the West Bank was part of Jordan. Gaza was part of Egypt. So they were Jordanian and Egyptian, not Palestinian.

The PLO was formed in 1964. A good time to have created Palestine would have been when the West Bank for part of Jordan and Gaza was part of Egypt. But, they were not very interested in creating Palestine until the lost those lands in 1967.

While that may be 1 theory, it is a poorly informed one. Derivatives of the word Palestine date back to the 12th century BC, where in Egyptian it was Palest, in the ancient Hebrew bible Pelistim (not right characters), and in Ancient Greek Palaistine.

It described a part of Canaan.

It is an ancient name for an ancient people/region.

[MU82]

Chris Christie with a powerful speech at the Florida Freedom Summit today, saying America needs to stand with both Israel and Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDDAaEeMB8Q

The decidedly pro-Trump crowd at first tried to boo him off the stage, but he pushed through with what I felt was an outstanding speech:

Your anger against the truth is reprehensible. This type of pettiness is beneath the process of electing a president. If your arguments are so strong and mine are so bad, then just keep quiet. Let me make my awful arguments and then you can just reject them out of hand. But the problem is you fear the truth. The problem is you wanna shout down any voice that says anything different than what you wanna hear.

You can continue to do it and believe me, it doesn't bother me one bit. I'll tell you what does bother me: As we stand today and watch the atrocities that are going on in Israel, that's what we should spend our time talking about, and that's the place where I suggest some of our anger should be directed. We should make sure that every candidate running for president makes it very clear to every American and every citizen of the world that the United States will stand undivided with the State of Israel, and we will defeat terrorists all around the world. ...

When you look at what's happening in Europe, the last time the United States turned its back on a shooting war in Europe, we wound up there a few years later and we had to sacrifice the lives of 500,000 American soldiers to defeat Hitler and fascism in Europe. We need to stand today with Ukraine to defeat the Russians so that we don't have to ever send American men and fighting women back to Europe to defend freedom and democracy. That's what this country has always stood for, and that's what we need to stand for today. We need to stand with Ukraine and defeat the Russians.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I don't want to upset anyone JWags but I don't like world threats.

You've already upset people. The die is cast.  #releasethe5points

[4everwarriors]

Allow me to translate,
Nuke 'em
Nuke 'em
Nuke 'em
Nuke 'em
Nuke'em, aina?

[Goose]

Doc,

Do you think that plan will gain traction on scoop?

[Uncle Rico]

Doc,

Do you think that plan will gain traction on scoop?

It's not going to gain traction in the real world, so why would it matter here?

[Goose]

Rico

I am open minded and I always like to read my fellow scooper thoughts.

[Uncle Rico]

Rico

I am open minded and I always like to read my fellow scooper thoughts.

I'm a fan of comedy as well

[MuggsyB]

Not a good day at the Israeli embassy in DC.  We have an ugly, ugly, problem that's not going to get better while Israel does what she needs to do.  Very sad.  And pathetic.  And embarrassing.  Imagine if this was happening to any other minority group?  It's just not right.

[rocket surgeon]

Chris Christie with a powerful speech at the Florida Freedom Summit today, saying America needs to stand with both Israel and Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDDAaEeMB8Q

The decidedly pro-Trump crowd at first tried to boo him off the stage, but he pushed through with what I felt was an outstanding speech:

Your anger against the truth is reprehensible. This type of pettiness is beneath the process of electing a president. If your arguments are so strong and mine are so bad, then just keep quiet. Let me make my awful arguments and then you can just reject them out of hand. But the problem is you fear the truth. The problem is you wanna shout down any voice that says anything different than what you wanna hear.

You can continue to do it and believe me, it doesn't bother me one bit. I'll tell you what does bother me: As we stand today and watch the atrocities that are going on in Israel, that's what we should spend our time talking about, and that's the place where I suggest some of our anger should be directed. We should make sure that every candidate running for president makes it very clear to every American and every citizen of the world that the United States will stand undivided with the State of Israel, and we will defeat terrorists all around the world. ...

When you look at what's happening in Europe, the last time the United States turned its back on a shooting war in Europe, we wound up there a few years later and we had to sacrifice the lives of 500,000 American soldiers to defeat Hitler and fascism in Europe. We need to stand today with Ukraine to defeat the Russians so that we don't have to ever send American men and fighting women back to Europe to defend freedom and democracy. That's what this country has always stood for, and that's what we need to stand for today. We need to stand with Ukraine and defeat the Russians.

christie is polling less than 3%   that and lefties like you getting all stiff over him are all the more reason to chalk this one up as another one of your sorry rants...christie has about as much a chance to be relevant for the gop as a vegan in a butcher shop   

[rocket surgeon]

Not a good day at the Israeli embassy in DC.  We have an ugly, ugly, problem that's not going to get better while Israel does what she needs to do.  Very sad.  And pathetic.  And embarrassing.  Imagine if this was happening to any other minority group?  It's just not right.

  i'm all with ya here muggs!  hey, instead of a cease fire, why don't we just air drop a couple more pallets of cash, weapons and supplies into gaza for them.

[lawdog77]

christie is polling less than 3%   that and lefties like you getting all stiff over him are all the more reason to chalk this one up as another one of your sorry rants...christie has about as much a chance to be relevant for the gop as a vegan in a butcher shop

What Christie said isnt wrong though

[rocket surgeon]

What Christie said isnt wrong though

yes, but that's not why 80something posted what he did

[Uncle Rico]

yes, but that's not why 80something posted what he did

So, even though it's right and part of the discussion with regards to funding Israel and funding Ukraine who is fighting one of the entities supplying Israel enemies, it's wrong because why?

[4everwarriors]

Doc,

Do you think that plan will gain traction on scoop?

Yes, if there weren't so many here with mushy, brown, stinky matter between their ears, hey?

[MU82]

christie is polling less than 3%   that and lefties like you getting all stiff over him are all the more reason to chalk this one up as another one of your sorry rants...christie has about as much a chance to be relevant for the gop as a vegan in a butcher shop

What did I "rant" about in that post?

You're like the people at the Florida Freedom Summit who tried to cancel Christie.