Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[tower912]

Was this about the same time the Trump adminiatration set up the $6 billion humanitarian aid fund for Iran?

[jesmu84]

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=65081.msg1575288#msg1575288

This is from the other topic (Backlash Coming) which was locked.  Do you have a brain bleed you should be worried about, or do you just like to play fast and loose with facts?

Lol

[Heisenberg]

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=65081.msg1575288#msg1575288

This is from the other topic (Backlash Coming) which was locked.  Do you have a brain bleed you should be worried about, or do you just like to play fast and loose with facts?

Thank you for pointing out the inappropriate/abusive language I used. It did not show up in a search earlier.

I apologize for saying this to you and as well as Galway.

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And nice touch with your own shot of abusive language. 

It is hard not to conclude that abusive language is indeed okay here. Just make sure you direct it to the viewpoint that you think deserves it.

Finally, please try to separate opinion from fact. If you disagree with my opinions, it is not "playing fast and loose with the facts." Your opinions do not make them the established "facts," and anyone with a different opinion does not have the wrong "facts."

Stay classy JESMU ... you want me to remain a "Douche Canoe" or tone it down?

Lol

[The Sultan]

Finally, please try to separate opinion from fact. If you disagree with my opinions, it is not "playing fast and loose with the facts." Your opinions do not make them the established "facts," and anyone with a different opinion does not have the wrong "facts."

Uh...he didn't disagree with your opinions. He disagreed with something you stated as a fact that wasn't.

Stay classy JESMU ... you want me to remain a "Douche Canoe" or tone it down?

I find that this bothers you so much to be incredibly funny.

[Heisenberg]

October 24, 2023
Elite Universities Face Donor Revolt Over Mideast Conflict
Some wealthy alums say response to Hamas attacks was final straw after years of growing disenchantment
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/elite-universities-face-donor-revolt-over-mideast-conflict-6c93662f

Some say it was the final straw after years of growing disenchantment with the schools over what they see as a leftward political shift. Many big donors have announced plans to stop giving or said they are reconsidering future gifts.

The pullback could dent the finances of some universities that rely on big givers to fill their coffers. People giving $1 million or more made up less than 1% of donors but 57% of total donations across surveyed U.S. universities, according to a study by the Council for Advancement and Support of Education covering the fiscal year ended June 30, 2022.

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On Monday, a group of prominent alumni including Mitt Romney and investors Seth Klarman and Bill Helman published an open letter to Harvard criticizing the school's leadership in what they described as an increasingly hostile environment for Harvard's Jewish students. The group outlined steps it said the school should take, such as restricting campus protests to enrolled students and creating and making mandatory a semester-long class on critical thinking and fact-finding. "We fear that history is on the verge of repeating itself," the letter said.

Penn faces perhaps the biggest donor revolt. Prominent alumni such as cosmetics tycoon Ronald Lauder and Apollo Global Management chief executive Marc Rowan had already clashed with the school last month when it hosted a Palestinian literary festival they believed showed the university was tolerant of antisemitism. 

"When the university wants to say something, it knows how and it can say it forcefully," Rowan, chair of the board of advisers at Penn's Wharton School, told The Wall Street Journal. "And the university doesn't seem to be able to find its voice with respect to antisemitism." Rowan said he was disturbed when he saw Magill post about her dog on Instagram the weekend of the attacks.

He said the response to the Hamas attacks was a departure from the school's strong condemnations of the killing of George Floyd and the Supreme Court's overturning of Roe v. Wade. 

Rowan, who has donated more than $50 million to Penn, has said he won't give more unless Magill and Board of Trustees Chair Scott Bok step down.

The university lost out on two donations worth more than $150 million combined in the past year over the school's policies, Rowan said.

Donors gave more than $1.5 billion to Penn the last two fiscal years ended in June, the school said. Annual distributions from Penn's $20.9 billion endowment provide 17% of the university's academic operating budget.

[Heisenberg]

Uh...he didn't disagree with your opinions. He disagreed with something you stated as a fact that wasn't.


I find that this bothers you so much to be incredibly funny.

Since you know what that fact was, please share it with the class.

[MuggsyB]

The UN Secretary General is a fking clown and should be dismissed. 

[Pakuni]

October 24, 2023
Elite Universities Face Donor Revolt Over Mideast Conflict
Some wealthy alums say response to Hamas attacks was final straw after years of growing disenchantment
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/elite-universities-face-donor-revolt-over-mideast-conflict-6c93662f

This is good.
We can only hope they redirect their giving to organizations through which it'll make a real difference in the lives of those in need, as opposed to further enriching already ultra-wealthy, elitist organizations.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

The UN Secretary General is a fking clown and should be dismissed.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/4272860-israel-un-chief-resignation-calls/

"Earlier Tuesday, Guterres gave a speech at the United Nations denouncing both Hamas and Israel for acts endangering civilians, saying that he is "deeply concerned" about the "clear violations of international humanitarian law" in the conflict.

"The protection of civilians is paramount in any armed conflict. Protecting civilians can never mean using them as human shields," he said, referring to Hamas.

"Protecting civilians does not mean ordering more than 1 million people to evacuate to the south [of Gaza] where there is no shelter, no food, no water, no medicine and no fuel and then continuing to bomb the south itself," he continued, calling out the Israeli military.

"To ease epic suffering, make the delivery of aid easier and safer, and facilitate the release of hostages, I reiterate my appeal for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire," Guterres added.

Erdan MUGGSY took exception to Guterres' sentiments, saying he is "disconnected from reality."


Fixed the article for them

[Uncle Rico]

October 24, 2023
Elite Universities Face Donor Revolt Over Mideast Conflict
Some wealthy alums say response to Hamas attacks was final straw after years of growing disenchantment
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/elite-universities-face-donor-revolt-over-mideast-conflict-6c93662f

Some say it was the final straw after years of growing disenchantment with the schools over what they see as a leftward political shift. Many big donors have announced plans to stop giving or said they are reconsidering future gifts.

The pullback could dent the finances of some universities that rely on big givers to fill their coffers. People giving $1 million or more made up less than 1% of donors but 57% of total donations across surveyed U.S. universities, according to a study by the Council for Advancement and Support of Education covering the fiscal year ended June 30, 2022.

----

On Monday, a group of prominent alumni including Mitt Romney and investors Seth Klarman and Bill Helman published an open letter to Harvard criticizing the school's leadership in what they described as an increasingly hostile environment for Harvard's Jewish students. The group outlined steps it said the school should take, such as restricting campus protests to enrolled students and creating and making mandatory a semester-long class on critical thinking and fact-finding. "We fear that history is on the verge of repeating itself," the letter said.

Penn faces perhaps the biggest donor revolt. Prominent alumni such as cosmetics tycoon Ronald Lauder and Apollo Global Management chief executive Marc Rowan had already clashed with the school last month when it hosted a Palestinian literary festival they believed showed the university was tolerant of antisemitism. 

"When the university wants to say something, it knows how and it can say it forcefully," Rowan, chair of the board of advisers at Penn's Wharton School, told The Wall Street Journal. "And the university doesn't seem to be able to find its voice with respect to antisemitism." Rowan said he was disturbed when he saw Magill post about her dog on Instagram the weekend of the attacks.

He said the response to the Hamas attacks was a departure from the school's strong condemnations of the killing of George Floyd and the Supreme Court's overturning of Roe v. Wade. 

Rowan, who has donated more than $50 million to Penn, has said he won't give more unless Magill and Board of Trustees Chair Scott Bok step down.

The university lost out on two donations worth more than $150 million combined in the past year over the school's policies, Rowan said.

Donors gave more than $1.5 billion to Penn the last two fiscal years ended in June, the school said. Annual distributions from Penn's $20.9 billion endowment provide 17% of the university's academic operating budget.

If only people would revolt against Tucker Carlson's anti-semitism.  Instead, Elon Musk is giving him a platform from where he can dispense his anti-semitic views to his audience.  Sadly, it's the same platform Ron DeSantis announced his bid for president.  One wonders if DeSantis association with known anti-semites doomed his campaign from the start

[4everwarriors]

Reako, just another example of you not knowing one thing of what you're talking about. Aka, throwin 'chit against da wall, toya, and tryin' ta get a rise outta folks, aina?

[Uncle Rico]

Reako, just another example of you not knowing one thing of what you're talking about. Aka, throwin 'chit against da wall, toya, and tryin' ta get a rise outta folks, aina?

Tucker isn't an anti-semite?  Elon isn't?  Huh.  Their words and actions sure don't match that but you know best about these things

[TSmith34, Inc.]

The UN Secretary General is a fking clown and should be dismissed.

Nah, he should be introduced to darkness. No half measures!

As usual, your reaction is light years ahead of your understanding.

[4everwarriors]

Tucker isn't an anti-semite?  Elon isn't?  Huh.  Their words and actions sure don't match that but you know best about these things

George Soros is Jewish, but you couldn't tell by his actions, hey?

[Heisenberg]

https://thehill.com/policy/international/4272860-israel-un-chief-resignation-calls/

"Earlier Tuesday, Guterres gave a speech at the United Nations denouncing both Hamas and Israel for acts endangering civilians, saying that he is "deeply concerned" about the "clear violations of international humanitarian law" in the conflict.

"The protection of civilians is paramount in any armed conflict. Protecting civilians can never mean using them as human shields," he said, referring to Hamas.

"Protecting civilians does not mean ordering more than 1 million people to evacuate to the south [of Gaza] where there is no shelter, no food, no water, no medicine and no fuel and then continuing to bomb the south itself," he continued, calling out the Israeli military.

"To ease epic suffering, make the delivery of aid easier and safer, and facilitate the release of hostages, I reiterate my appeal for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire," Guterres added.

Erdan MUGGSY took exception to Guterres' sentiments, saying he is "disconnected from reality."


Fixed the article for them

He draws a moral equivalence between a brutal terrorist attack and a modern army, giving civilizations every opportunity to leave a war zone before a ground invasion.

Hamas did not give the Israelis they slaughtered any warning. They should not be equated like this.

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And, the head of the UN is wrong on this:

"Protecting civilians does not mean ordering more than 1 million people to evacuate to the south [of Gaza] where there is no shelter, no food, no water, no medicine and no fuel and then continuing to bomb the south itself," he continued, calling out the Israeli military.

It is not the Israelis' job to provide the refugees comfort and shelter. It is the job of the Government of Gaza ... which would be Hamas.

The use of human shields is a war crime ... Geneva Convention Article 28
Hamas does this, not Isreal
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/article-28

Geneva Convention Article 29 - If is the job of Hamas to move "protect persons" from a war zone. Not Isreal.
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/article-29

When the ground war starts, a lot of civilians will die. All of them will be the responsibility of Hamas, and Hamas will be committing war against them, not Israel.  When the ground war starts, mistakes will be made. Friendly fire casualty, errand ordinances, and plan bad intel. Think "fog of war."

These mistakes will result in the death of civilians, including women and children. These are not war crimes.

----

Also, in southern Gaza, Israel has not shut off the power and water.. They want civilians to move south and offer an incentive to move south.


Nine days ago
October 15, 2023
Israel says it is restarting water supply to southern Gaza Strip
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-says-it-is-restarting-water-supply-to-southern-gaza-strip/

Israel said on Sunday it was restarting the supply of water to parts of the Gaza Strip after shutting it off following Hamas's devastating terrorist infiltration on October 7, in which over 1,300 Israelis were killed.

Energy Minister Israel Katz confirmed the news in a statement, saying that water would begin to flow again to the southern portion of the narrow enclave — where Israel has urged residents to flee to in recent days.

"The decision to restart water to the south of the Gaza Strip was agreed upon between Prime Minister [Benjamin] Netanyahu and US President [Joe] Biden, and will push the civilian population to the southern [part of the] Strip," Katz said.


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You left out this truly disgusting part of the speech, that the Israelis deserved it.

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1698160848-un-chief-says-hamas-massacre-didn-t-happen-in-a-vacuum
"It is important to also recognize the attacks by Hamas did not happen in a vacuum," Guterres said. "The Palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation. They have seen their land steadily devoured by settlements and plagued by violence; their economy stifled; their people displaced and their homes demolished. Their hopes for a political solution to their plight have been vanishing."

Isreal is demanding that  Antonio Guterres resign

Three hours ago

Israeli UN ambassador demands UN secretary-general resign after 'shocking' speech
https://www.foxnews.com/world/israeli-un-ambassador-demands-un-secretary-general-resign-shocking-speech

Israel's ambassador to the United Nations is ripping the "horrible views" that U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres expressed at a meeting of the Security Council on Tuesday and is calling for his resignation.   

Ambassador Gilad Erdan described Guterres' remarks as "shocking" for stating that the Oct. 7 terror attacks on Israel by Hamas "did not happen in a vacuum" and that the "Palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation."

"The shocking speech by the @UN Secretary-General at the Security Council meeting, while rockets are being fired at all of Israel, proved conclusively, beyond any doubt, that the Secretary-General is completely disconnected from the reality in our region and that he views the massacre committed by Nazi Hamas terrorists in a distorted and immoral manner," Erdan posted on X, formerly Twitter.

"His statement that, 'the attacks by Hamas did not happen in a vacuum,' expressed an understanding for terrorism and murder. It's really unfathomabale (sic). It's truly sad that the head of an organization that arose after the Holocaust holds such horrible views. A tragedy!"

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PLM - take another stab at it. Tell me why this was a good speech. What did you like about it.  What should we think about you for defending it?


To the point ... explain why it is "connected to reality?"

ADDED LATER

To the person that has me on ignore ... explain to me like I'm a "douche canoe" what part of the reaction was light years ahead of understanding.

Should Antonio Guterres resign? If not, why not? Tell me why you do not have a problem with it.

Nah, he should be introduced to darkness. No half measures!

As usual, your reaction is light years ahead of your understanding.

[Uncle Rico]

George Soros is Jewish, but you couldn't tell by his actions, hey?

No, but he might have a chance to be Speaker

[Heisenberg]

A 2016 tweet from the late comedian Norm McDonald is going viral again.

It is a good 140-character summation of the attitude around here.

https://x.com/normmacdonald/status/809637479674281984?s=20
What terrifies me is if ISIS were to detonate a nuclear device and kill 50 million Americans. Imagine the backlash against peaceful Muslims?

[Uncle Rico]

A 2016 tweet from the late comedian Norm McDonald is going viral again.

It is a good 140-character summation of the attitude around here.

https://x.com/normmacdonald/status/809637479674281984?s=20
What terrifies me is if ISIS were to detonate a nuclear device and kill 50 million Americans. Imagine the backlash against peaceful Muslims?

It isn't.

[Heisenberg]

Expectations are high that conflict spreads when the ground war begins, US personnel will get attacked.

I'll repeat: everything said until now is the pre-game. When the ground war starts ....

---
Yonatan Touval is from Mitvim, The Israeli Institute for Regional Foreign Policies
@Yonatan_Touval
#UPDATE: US official confirms to me that key reason for IDF ground invasion delay is US request to complete preps for broader conflict.
Preps incl deployment of THAAD and Patriot air defense systems in Gulf (poss also Jordan + northern Iraq) and arrival of USS Ike + 2k marines.

[Heisenberg]

It isn't.

Naah ... it really is

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

He draws a moral equivalence between a brutal terrorist attack and a modern army, giving civilizations every opportunity to leave a war zone before a ground invasion.

Hamas did not give the Israelis they slaughtered any warning. They should not be equated like this.

----

And, the head of the UN is wrong on this:

"Protecting civilians does not mean ordering more than 1 million people to evacuate to the south [of Gaza] where there is no shelter, no food, no water, no medicine and no fuel and then continuing to bomb the south itself," he continued, calling out the Israeli military.

It is not the Israelis' job to provide the refugees comfort and shelter. It is the job of the Government of Gaza ... which would be Hamas.

The use of human shields is a war crime ... Geneva Convention Article 28
Hamas does this, not Isreal
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/article-28

Geneva Convention Article 29 - If is the job of Hamas to move "protect persons" from a war zone. Not Isreal.
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/article-29

When the ground war starts, a lot of civilians will die. All of them will be the responsibility of Hamas, and Hamas will be committing war against them, not Israel.  When the ground war starts, mistakes will be made. Friendly fire casualty, errand ordinances, and plan bad intel. Think "fog of war."

These mistakes will result in the death of civilians, including women and children. These are not war crimes.

----

Also, in southern Gaza, Israel has not shut off the power and water.. They want civilians to move south and offer an incentive to move south.


Nine days ago
October 15, 2023
Israel says it is restarting water supply to southern Gaza Strip
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-says-it-is-restarting-water-supply-to-southern-gaza-strip/

Israel said on Sunday it was restarting the supply of water to parts of the Gaza Strip after shutting it off following Hamas's devastating terrorist infiltration on October 7, in which over 1,300 Israelis were killed.

Energy Minister Israel Katz confirmed the news in a statement, saying that water would begin to flow again to the southern portion of the narrow enclave — where Israel has urged residents to flee to in recent days.

"The decision to restart water to the south of the Gaza Strip was agreed upon between Prime Minister [Benjamin] Netanyahu and US President [Joe] Biden, and will push the civilian population to the southern [part of the] Strip," Katz said.


----


You left out this truly disgusting part of the speech, that the Israelis deserved it.

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1698160848-un-chief-says-hamas-massacre-didn-t-happen-in-a-vacuum
"It is important to also recognize the attacks by Hamas did not happen in a vacuum," Guterres said. "The Palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation. They have seen their land steadily devoured by settlements and plagued by violence; their economy stifled; their people displaced and their homes demolished. Their hopes for a political solution to their plight have been vanishing."

Isreal is demanding that  Antonio Guterres resign

Three hours ago

Israeli UN ambassador demands UN secretary-general resign after 'shocking' speech
https://www.foxnews.com/world/israeli-un-ambassador-demands-un-secretary-general-resign-shocking-speech

Israel's ambassador to the United Nations is ripping the "horrible views" that U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres expressed at a meeting of the Security Council on Tuesday and is calling for his resignation.   

Ambassador Gilad Erdan described Guterres' remarks as "shocking" for stating that the Oct. 7 terror attacks on Israel by Hamas "did not happen in a vacuum" and that the "Palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation."

"The shocking speech by the @UN Secretary-General at the Security Council meeting, while rockets are being fired at all of Israel, proved conclusively, beyond any doubt, that the Secretary-General is completely disconnected from the reality in our region and that he views the massacre committed by Nazi Hamas terrorists in a distorted and immoral manner," Erdan posted on X, formerly Twitter.

"His statement that, 'the attacks by Hamas did not happen in a vacuum,' expressed an understanding for terrorism and murder. It's really unfathomabale (sic). It's truly sad that the head of an organization that arose after the Holocaust holds such horrible views. A tragedy!"

----

PLM - take another stab at it. Tell me why this was a good speech. What did you like about it.  What should we think about you for defending it?


To the point ... explain why it is "connected to reality?"

ADDED LATER

To the person that has me on ignore ... explain to me like I'm a "douche canoe" what part of the reaction was light years ahead of understanding.

Should Antonio Guterres resign? If not, why not? Tell me why you do not have a problem with it.

I know you think the Israeli government is blameless in all facets. I also know that you believe in collective punishment as long as it's being directed to the people you think "deserve it".

You don't need to write novels in response to every post here when it's the same thing over and over. Your position on this is quite clear.

And you're also definitely not mad online about being called a Douche Canoe.

[Lennys Tap]

A 2016 tweet from the late comedian Norm McDonald is going viral again.

It is a good 140-character summation of the attitude around here.

https://x.com/normmacdonald/status/809637479674281984?s=20
What terrifies me is if ISIS were to detonate a nuclear device and kill 50 million Americans. Imagine the backlash against peaceful Muslims?

Norm is on my Mt Rushmore of comedians. He's very much missed. His "shtick" was better than Rico's.

[Uncle Rico]

Norm is on my Mt Rushmore of comedians. He's very much missed. His "shtick" was better than Rico's.

He was great.  I miss him greatly. 

[Pakuni]

Tucker isn't an anti-semite?  Elon isn't?  Huh.  Their words and actions sure don't match that but you know best about these things

Tucker and Ben are fighting.
Awaiting word from Mark Levin on what I should think about all this.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/ben-shapiro-unloads-on-tucker-carlson-over-bizarre-and-ugly-take-on-israel-hamas-war-not-a-conservative-position/

[Heisenberg]

I know you think the Israeli government is blameless in all facets. I also know that you believe in collective punishment as long as it's being directed to the people you think "deserve it".

You don't need to write novels in response to every post here when it's the same thing over and over. Your position on this is quite clear.

And you're also definitely not mad online about being called a Douche Canoe.

I've said you have to pick a side. It is critically important for the West that Israel prevail. Fortunately, most of Congress and President Biden see this. Im heartened that Biden told Bibi last week, "I am a Zionist."

And whatever sins Israel committed pale in comparison to the Palastestian sins.

I see no moral equivalency, as you are doing, yet again, above.

I do not understand why you feel it necessary to defend a bunch of terrorists (Hamas is a designated terrorist group, as is Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which also operates in Gaza).

Before you try to separate the Palestinian people from Hamas, please show me the list of Palestinian organizations that condemned what Hamas did. Show the examples of Palestinians protesting that Hamas does not represent them. Show us where Palestinians apologized to Israel.

Until I see this is force, yes ... I see no difference between the two. (to be clear, when I see real distancing of Palestinian people from their terrorist organizations, I will treat them differently).

Like we saw no difference between the Germans and the Nazis.