Backlash Coming

[WhiteTrash]

Not an expert on labor law, but I believe the discrimination has to be based on the protected class (i.e. because someone is Muslim or Palestinian). You can still refuse to hire someone who belongs to a protected class for reasons unrelated to that.

This is true.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Not an expert on labor law, but I believe the discrimination has to be based on the protected class (i.e. because someone is Muslim or Palestinian). You can still refuse to hire someone who belongs to a protected class for reasons unrelated to that.

Bad opinions are universal across all humanity. Inspiring.

[Heisenberg]

more emotion, not logic. Nowhere did I ever hate on Jewish people. Nowhere did I bring religion into this. Nowhere did I call for war. See this is why people say "you failed logic."

I agree, didn't I say these were horrendous action? A logical person wouldve read "the fight back went too far (I 100% agree with this)" and thought "oh he must think it was wrong what hamas did." Again you failed logic because you're caught in emotion.

Yes it was horrific, I said in an earlier post that their statement missed the mark entirely.

What ignorant world view is that? Could you please tell me? Because you haven't put together a logical formulation critiquing any bit of what was said only a bunch of emotional crap and thinly veiled insults.

I absolutely disdain what hamas did and their message, which seems to be mainly against Israel the state though there are some anti Jewish sentiments that I suppose given the information I can agree they want to exterminate the Jewish religion. That does not invalidate a single thing that I listed as true in our logic exercise.

Ok, you agree they want to exterminate the Jewish religion. Hamas does not want a solution, they want to eliminate an entire population.

Hamas made the first move last weekend. We all know what is coming next. It is not going to be pretty when the IDF starts its counter-offensive.

Are you against what is coming? Do you agree it is Hamas that brought on what is about to come? To be clear, what is about to happen is Hamas's fault.

(Hint, the President of the United States said Israel has to right to defend itself. That is tantamount to saying "Go for it," and they are, and Congress is going to supply the ammunition to do it.)

To be very clear, who do you think is responsible for the coming bloodshed?

Let me give you another hint, for the first time in our lifetime we are going to have peace in the Middle East... because one side of going to win and will not stop until the other side unconditionally surrenders.

[Hards Alumni]

Ok, you agree they want to exterminate the Jewish religion. Hamas does not want a solution, they want to eliminate an entire population.

Hamas made the first move last weekend. We all know what is coming next. It is not going to be pretty when the IDF starts its counter-offensive.

Are you against what is coming? Do you agree it is Hamas that brought on what is about to come? To be clear, what is about to happen is Hamas's fault.

(Hint, the President of the United States said Israel has to right to defend itself. That is tantamount to saying "Go for it," and they are, and Congress is going to supply the ammunition to do it.)

To be very clear, who do you think is responsible for the coming bloodshed?

Let me give you another hint, for the first time in our lifetime we are going to have peace in the Middle East... because one side of going to win and will not stop until the other side unconditionally surrenders.

Patently false.  Israel has been ethnically cleansing Gaza and the West Bank for decades.  Calling Hamas' attack a 'first strike' is obscene and entirely without historical context.

[Heisenberg]

Patently false.  Israel has been ethnically cleansing Gaza and the West Bank for decades.  Calling Hamas' attack a 'first strike' is obscene and entirely without historical context.

Are you supporting the slaughter of innocent people? Even if your bogus claims are true (no jew has set foot in Gaza since 2005), how does it justify the beheading of children?

So, I will ask, what exactly are you saying?

Be very careful how you answer.

[Galway Eagle]

Ok first, way to just ignore all the stuff I asked you pointing out your previous post was an emotional accusatory rant rather than a logical response. This would be an example of the goalposts moving that Sultan was referring to. See how this is different than what you were accusing those supposed narcissists about?

Hamas made the first move last weekend. We all know what is coming next. It is not going to be pretty when the IDF starts its counter-offensive.

Are you against what is coming? Do you agree it is Hamas that brought on what is about to come? To be clear, what is about to happen is Hamas's fault.

Am I against what is coming? I'm almost always against war. But retaliation is necessary. Wish they had a rapid strike mindset instead of blow everything to hell mindset.

Do I believe Hamas brought on what is about to come? No. I believe Hamas escalated it to a point that it is unavoidable. 

(Hint, the President of the United States said Israel has to right to defend itself. That is tantamount to saying "Go for it," and they are, and Congress is going to supply the ammunition to do it.)

So if the USA says it then it's ok? We've got plenty of skeletons in our closet... and strewn about in the open. We're siding with our ally which is what we should do.

To be very clear, who do you think is responsible for the coming bloodshed?

At the moment? Hamas. Overall? England for the initial issues and us for not upholding a standard of human rights to our ally. Who's been steadily provoking an attack? Israel.

Case: if I go up and attack you Im at fault and absolutely am responsible. if I'm screaming "you attacked me 5 years ago!" Or "you've been kicking me under the table for 10yrs I've had it!" Then you started it, I escalated it and if I then get my ass kicked by you it's still my fault but you absolutely weren't ethically right to have been kicking me for years.

Let me give you another hint, for the first time in our lifetime we are going to have peace in the Middle East... because one side of going to win and will not stop until the other side unconditionally surrenders.

Yeah that's not going to happen. I mean there's other conflicts going on hell Armenia and Azerbaijan are in a war.


Now it's my turn for aggressive questions:

Do you believe that Israel was inhumanely treating Palestinians? Well there's a scathing report from amnesty international in 2021 stating they were

Do you believe that Palestine has a disproportionately higher injury and death toll even in those "peaceful" times than Israel? There's a dashboard that tracks it.

Do agree that subhuman treatment has a tendency to radicalize individuals? Well there's loads of history saying yes, N Ireland, Palestine, Mandela's movement, black panthers, hell even your right wing militias here have a perceived mistreatment and are radicalizing in militias.

Do you believe that radicalized people have a tendency to join radical organizations that align with their frustrations? If yes, then the report amnesty international gave explains that Israel was at best willfully ignorant of the fact their mistreatment of Palestinians were strengthening a radical militant group.

Do you believe that if a place strengthened a radical militant group through their action they would bare some culpability? If yes, then you're the blood thirsty, Jew hating anti semite you accused me of as well lol.

Pointing out these things doesn't mean that Hamas is right, it doesn't mean Israel shouldn't defend itself. It just means they aren't right either.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Let me give you another hint, for the first time in our lifetime we are going to have peace in the Middle East.

Sadly, no.

[Heisenberg]

Now it's my turn for aggressive questions:

Do you believe that Israel was inhumanely treating Palestinians? Well, there's a scathing report from amnesty international in 2021 stating they were

There is no such thing as Palestinians. It is a word that denotes anti-zonist Arabs. And Israel treats anti-zionists accordingly.

20% of Israel is Arab. Arabs hold positions of power in government and business in Israel. Arabs are welcomed that embrace Israel.

And Amnesty International lost all credibility decades ago.

Do agree that subhuman treatment has a tendency to radicalize individuals? Well there's loads of history saying yes, N Ireland, Palestine, Mandela's movement, black panthers, hell even your right wing militias here have a perceived mistreatment and are radicalizing in militias.

Do you believe that radicalized people have a tendency to join radical organizations that align with their frustrations? If yes, then the report amnesty international gave explains that Israel was at best willfully ignorant of the fact their mistreatment of Palestinians were strengthening a radical militant group.

Do you believe that if a place strengthened a radical militant group through their action they would bare some culpability? If yes, then you're the blood thirsty, Jew hating anti semite you accused me of as well lol.

Pointing out these things doesn't mean that Hamas is right, it doesn't mean Israel shouldn't defend itself. It just means they aren't right either.

The rest of the Arab world rejects Palestinians. The Egyptians, the Jordanians, and the Syrians do not want them.  Hamas has not held elections since 2006. Hamas keeps their people subhuman and desperate. Hamas wants Gaza to be an incubator of terrorists, and that is exactly what Gaza is.

Ask the rest of the Arab world why they do nothing for the Palestinians.

Your citing of Amensty and nature and tone of your question suggest you have bought into the propaganda.  Even you saying hell even your right-wing militias.

You have a worldview that cannot tolerate opposing viewpoints, So you have to demonize me and anyone that does not agree with you.

[MU82]

My goodness, is there an unwritten by-law in the Scoop archives that 1 out of every 3 posts from you must reference Trump. And I dislike that guy immeasurably.

Only 1 out of 3? I gotta up my game!

[rocket surgeon]

Why does our potus have to lie about stupid chit except for the obvious.  He ruins what little cred he has left

Speaking about him saying he saw the pics of beheaded kids...what's next? one of the hamas terrorists is named cornpop and the big guy took him out with his bare hands behind the barn?  Beat him a push up contest?

More embarrassment on the world stage

[Galway Eagle]

There is no such thing as Palestinians. It is a word that denotes anti-zonist Arabs. And Israel treats anti-zionists accordingly.

They're a recognized ethnic group. Also
Note here you say they don't exist

20% of Israel is Arab. Arabs hold positions of power in government and business in Israel. Arabs are welcomed that embrace Israel.

To them that'd be like saying anyone who ignores their ethnic country is welcome to embrace their colonizer.

And Amnesty International lost all credibility decades ago.

Ok how about the Humans rights watch?

https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution

Palestinians are rejected by the rest of the Arab world. The Egyptians, the Jordanians, and the Syrians do not want them.  Hamas has not held elections since 2006. Hamas keeps their people subhuman and desperate, Hamas wants Gaza to be an incubated of terrorists, and that is exactly what Gaza is.

I thought Palestinians didn't exist? Either way I didn't say Hamas was correct.

Ask the rest of the Arab world why they do nothing for the Palestinians.

Your citing of Amensty and nature and tone of your question suggest you have bought into the propaganda.  Even you saying hell even your right-wing militias.

Ok changed my citation. How about now? And who are you kidding here, there's ample evidence for your old account of you being right wing, they might not be "your militias" but by that same logic Hamas isn't palestines.

You have a worldview that cannot tolerate opposing viewpoints, So you have to demonize me, and anyone that does not agree with you.

I'm sorry I'm not the one saying the other has bought into propaganda nor launching blatant unwarranted attacks like anti semite or blood thirsty. I think it might be you that doth protest too much here on being intolerant of opposing viewpoints and demonizing others. In fact outside of calling your arguments emotion based rather than logic based (they are) I've been very respectful which I can't say the same to you about.

[MU82]

Why does our potus have to lie about stupid chit except for the obvious.  He ruins what little cred he has left

Speaking about him saying he saw the pics of beheaded kids...what's next? one of the hamas terrorists is named cornpop and the big guy took him out with his bare hands behind the barn?  Beat him a push up contest?

More embarrassment on the world stage

My brother, who lives outside of Tel Aviv, has heard the shells falling and has two friends who are among the missing, made a Facebook post today thanking President Biden for his strong words, his support and his empathy.

Also, headline in Wall Street Journal: Israelis Praise Biden's Speech, Question Netanyahu's Response

[Heisenberg]

For Galway, Hards, and the rest of the Jew-haters here ...

You get all indignant because Gaza is so awful that the population has to live in their own sh!t and cannot get clean drinking water.

Israel Holds Up Vital Spare Parts for Gaza's Water and Sewage Systems
Parts that took less than a month to get into Gaza now take up to five months, leading to breakdowns, releasing sewage to the sea and reducing the quality of drinking water
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/10/eu-funded-water-pipelines-hamas-rockets/

Why is this? For years, Israel and the EU have supplied all the material Gaza needs to fix its sewer system. 

So, what do they do with it?


EU funded water pipelines despite Hamas boast it could turn them into rockets
European Union is continuing aid to Palestinians amid growing fears over how it is being used
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/10/eu-funded-water-pipelines-hamas-rockets/

We are seeing the closet thing since Nazis, for the first time in 70 years. They are killing Jews for being Jews.

The Palestinians and their supporters regularly fly swastikas at rallies celebrating the beheading of Jewish children.

And given this, you cannot see the evil and denounce it. You explain it away.

You are incapable of seeing how awful your words are.

[Galway Eagle]

For Galway, Hards, and the rest of the Jew-haters here ...

And given this, you cannot see the evil and denounce it. You explain it away.

You are incapable of seeing how awful your actions are.

You're right you are definitely the tolerant non demonizing one. Proved me wrong with logic this time.

[Heisenberg]

My brother, who lives outside of Tel Aviv, has heard the shells falling and has two friends who are among the missing, made a Facebook post today thanking President Biden for his strong words, his support and his empathy.

Also, headline in Wall Street Journal: Israelis Praise Biden's Speech, Question Netanyahu's Response

I agree that Biden has said the right things so far.

But, will he continue along the line he has said over the last 48 hours?

I hope so, but I fear he will not.

[MU82]

I agree that Biden has said the right things so far.

But, will he continue along the line he has said over the last 48 hours?

I hope so, but I fear he will not.

He might not. We'll see.

[Heisenberg]

You're right you are definitely the tolerant non demonizing one. Proved me wrong with logic this time.

Because the easiest thing in your lifetime has been to denounce what Hamas did this past weekend. The second easiest thing to say is Israel's very existence is under mortal threat, and Israel has the right and obligation to defend their existence, and the US is correct to support it in any way it can.

But instead of saying these easy things, you dissemble and try to draw a moral equivalency. It is disgusting (spelled it correctly this time!)

And to answer your earlier question, what have Amnesty and Human Rights Watch said about beheading Children? Let me know what their opinion of that is.

I'm waiting.

[Heisenberg]

Golda Meir was the Prime Minister of Isreal from 1969 to 1974

True fact, She was born in 1898, and her family moved to Milwaukee in 1906. She graduated from The State College of Wisconsin, now known as UWM. And she was a school teacher in Milwaukee for many years.

50 years ago she said this ... applies more now than ever.,

When peace comes, we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons. Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.

[Galway Eagle]

Because the easiest thing in your lifetime has been to denounce what Hamas did this past weekend. The second easiest thing to say is Israel's very existence is under mortal threat, and Israel has the right and obligation to defend their existence, and the US has correct to support it in any way it can.

But instead of saying these easy things, you dissemble and try to draw a moral equivalency. It is disgusting (spelled it correctly this time!)

And to answer your earlier question, what have Amnesty and Human Rights Watch said about beheading Children? Let me know what their opinion of that is.

I'm waiting.

Two things:

1) that has nothing to do with "demonizing others and being tolerant of other world views"  you literally just became the intolerant of other people's world views person you were claiming me to be by saying 'it's ok for me to demonize you because it's not what I agree with!'. You are not the beacon you claim to be and have repeatedly shown it.

2) the very fact that you've taken the following and said that I haven't denounced Hamas shows that you default to emotion not logic.

I believe Hamas escalated it to a point that it is unavoidable. 

At the moment? Hamas.

I agree, didn't I say these were horrendous action? A logical person wouldve read "the fight back went too far (I 100% agree with this)" and thought "oh he must think it was wrong what hamas did." Again you failed logic because you're caught in emotion.

Yes it was horrific, I said in an earlier post that their statement missed the mark entirely.

I absolutely disdain what hamas did and their message, which seems to be mainly against Israel the state though there are some anti Jewish sentiments that I suppose given the information I can agree they want to exterminate the Jewish religion. That does not invalidate a single thing that I listed as true in our logic exercise.

Now comes what you did which was post it on the belief that the fight back went too far (I 100% agree with this) but that's not a logical argument it's a pathos one.

Here's a pretty good visual the view of "these acts are heinous and warrant a retaliation but one has to acknowledge Israel's done some messed up things as well"

https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/16516/israeli-palestinian-casualties-by-in-gaza-and-the-west-bank/

Again super pro Israel on this but some of you seem to think this happened in a vacuum and it didn't.

I'm with Israel

Man you're right I really have been hating on "the Jews" in all my comments. Certainly never denounced the heinous actions of a terrorist group. Saying "yeah you can't provoke someone and then act like you didn't see it coming" is totally the same as me being a Jew hater. You again have proven to be the beacon of logic, and deciding who warrants demonizing and tolerating a world view (as long as it jives with your logic).

You are a parody of a person at this point.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

For Galway, Hards, and the rest of the Jew-haters here ...

You get all indignant because Gaza is so awful that the population has to live in their own sh!t and cannot get clean drinking water.

Israel Holds Up Vital Spare Parts for Gaza's Water and Sewage Systems
Parts that took less than a month to get into Gaza now take up to five months, leading to breakdowns, releasing sewage to the sea and reducing the quality of drinking water
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/10/eu-funded-water-pipelines-hamas-rockets/

Why is this? For years, Israel and the EU have supplied all the material Gaza needs to fix its sewer system. 

So, what do they do with it?


EU funded water pipelines despite Hamas boast it could turn them into rockets
European Union is continuing aid to Palestinians amid growing fears over how it is being used
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/10/eu-funded-water-pipelines-hamas-rockets/

We are seeing the closet thing since Nazis, for the first time in 70 years. They are killing Jews for being Jews.

The Palestinians and their supporters regularly fly swastikas at rallies celebrating the beheading of Jewish children.

And given this, you cannot see the evil and denounce it. You explain it away.

You are incapable of seeing how awful your words are.

Claiming a group of millions of people recognized by pretty much most of the developed world don't exist, then proceeding to call people who call you out Jew haters. At best oblivious. At worst, maliciously pretty fucking racist.

[The Sultan]

Let's go to the next (and harder) step.

First, let's remind everyone what you said about potential employers not wanting to hire those who are not willing to condemn the slaughter of women and children by those who committed the slaughter.

Do you still think the potential employers are committing a "complete" overreaction?" And if so, what do you think is the appropriate reaction to those who will not condemn the beheading of 40 children?

Should any Jew be subjected to working with someone who will not condemn this? If so, are you ok with minorities being subject to someone who sympathizes with the KKK?

Yes I think it is a complete overreaction.   

[Hards Alumni]

Are you supporting the slaughter of innocent people? Even if your bogus claims are true (no jew has set foot in Gaza since 2005), how does it justify the beheading of children?

So, I will ask, what exactly are you saying?

Be very careful how you answer.

I've been very clear you ignoramus.  I don't support Hamas or Israel's slaughter of innocent people.  And they both do it.  Whether it is direct gunfire, starvation, denial of medical supplies, beheading, buildings bombed and collapsed.  The death of innocent people on one side of this 'war' seem to matter a lot more than the other.

If you can't read exactly what I'm saying and are willing to make very strange threats maybe it's time to put the computer down for the night.

[Hards Alumni]

For Galway, Hards, and the rest of the Jew-haters here ...

Excuse me, what?

[Uncle Rico]

Why does our potus have to lie about stupid chit except for the obvious.  He ruins what little cred he has left

Speaking about him saying he saw the pics of beheaded kids...what's next? one of the hamas terrorists is named cornpop and the big guy took him out with his bare hands behind the barn?  Beat him a push up contest?

More embarrassment on the world stage

3 out of 10

[The Sultan]

Excuse me, what?

He's desperate because, as usual, his "logic" is crashing and burning. Names and abusive language is all he has left.