Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[jesmu84]

I asked you for examples on this point. You gave two and it turned out that the courts had ruled that the university was correct in both cases. Would you like to try again?  Examples do exist of universities punishing people for free speech. Most of them are from conservative religious universities punishing more progressive free speech (usually because they are within their rights to due to having a little more leeway [or a lot more leeway depending on the institution] due to their religious missions). But there have been a handful of isolated incidents were a liberal university was smacked for attempting to punish conservative free speech, but they are few and far between.

I think you underestimate how much "similar hate by anti-LGBTQ+, right-to-life, and racist groups" gets reported to universities on a daily basis and how the vast majority of that gets dismissed due to it being protected free speech.

It's concerning to me Heisey that you started a thread in the last month criticizing universities for not being more encouraging of free speech and you have so quickly abandoned your principles. I think it was you who said earlier in this thread that we fight to protect terrible speech because non-terrible speech doesn't need protecting. There's truth to that statement. We have seen a lot of terrible speech since October 7. Use your free speech to call out, criticize, lambast, to your heart's content. But don't call on government to punish people for simply using their constitutional rights.

He doesn't have any examples. He's changed the wording of his stance to be a straw man/hypothetical.

[The Sultan]

Do you think Jewish supporters of Israel who are scared and upset with all the "river to the sea" and "gas the Jews" protests come here and see

The moral equivalency
On-campus protests this past week of hateful anti-Semitic words, which get defended under the First Amendment, we all know similar hate said by anti-LGBTQ+, right-to-life, and racist groups would NEVER be tolerated like this.
The contention that the UN said Palestine is a country in the same place as Isreal
The contention is not a fight for the survival of Israel
The doubts that Imans have been told by the Palestinian Authority to call for the murder of Jews this weekend
The focus was on Israel more than the Palestinians
The initial accusation was that Isreal was lying about the hospital bombing
The contention is that Isreal is an apartheid state
The contention that Isreal committed war crimes
The indictment that Isreal violated international law
The fear they are going to commit genocide on the Palestinians
The charge Isreal does not do enough to protest Palestinian civilians, without regard to what the Palestinians did to 1,500 dead Jews and 210 hostages first
The accusation of treating the Palestinians as "sub-human" but not once saying the Palestinians treat the Jews as "sub-human." (except by me, and when I do, I get banned for a week.)

I could go on, but I did not make up this s***. You, and many others in this thread, set the tone of the discussion here, and it never occurred to you how the actual victims of October 7 would view it.

So how about you tell the Jews that suffered a family loss in Isreal, have to go to Synagogue with armed guards in front, turn on the TV to see "gas the Jews" and "from the river to the sea" (including hate speech on MU's campus this week) should feel about these 60 pages? 

How about you tell them why we are an inclusive community for them and how these 60 pages show that?

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So, I'll answer your subsequent response now. I am not stooping to your demand for "pictures," and I do not give a f**k what you think of me.

I put the chances at about 2% that the Jews of Scoop contacted you.

I put the chances at 0% that you don't care what people here think of you. Your entire schtick is passing yourself off as some high thinking, pseudo-intellectual. It's a plea for attention and acceptance.

[MU82]

In an editor's note today, the NYT admitted it erred in its early coverage of the hospital explosion, especially the headline featuring Israel being blamed by Hamas.

On Oct. 17, The New York Times published news of an explosion at a hospital in Gaza City, leading its coverage with claims by Hamas government officials that an Israeli airstrike was the cause and that hundreds of people were dead or injured. The report included a large headline at the top of The Times's website.

Israel subsequently denied being at fault and blamed an errant rocket launch by the Palestinian faction group Islamic Jihad, which has in turn denied responsibility. American and other international officials have said their evidence indicates that the rocket came from Palestinian fighter positions.

The Times's initial accounts attributed the claim of Israeli responsibility to Palestinian officials, and noted that the Israeli military said it was investigating the blast. However, the early versions of the coverage — and the prominence it received in a headline, news alert and social media channels — relied too heavily on claims by Hamas, and did not make clear that those claims could not immediately be verified. The report left readers with an incorrect impression about what was known and how credible the account was.

The Times continued to update its coverage as more information became available, reporting the disputed claims of responsibility and noting that the death toll might be lower than initially reported. Within two hours, the headline and other text at the top of the website reflected the scope of the explosion and the dispute over responsibility.

Given the sensitive nature of the news during a widening conflict, and the prominent promotion it received, Times editors should have taken more care with the initial presentation, and been more explicit about what information could be verified. Newsroom leaders continue to examine procedures around the biggest breaking news events — including for the use of the largest headlines in the digital report — to determine what additional safeguards may be warranted.

I am glad the Times acknowledged this, and I hope this incident will help avoid such poor judgment in the future. The Times has generally done a very good job covering this conflict, but it simply can't be that reckless. Too much is at stake.

[rocky_warrior]

Fifty-eight pages, and I am most vocal of maybe 2 or 3 people against the secular Western progressive view here. And yes, for that, I was banned for a week.

You were banned for a week for being a douche canoe.  Keep it up.

[forgetful]

In an editor's note today, the NYT admitted in erred in its early coverage of the hospital explosion, especially the headline featuring Israel being blamed by Hamas.

On Oct. 17, The New York Times published news of an explosion at a hospital in Gaza City, leading its coverage with claims by Hamas government officials that an Israeli airstrike was the cause and that hundreds of people were dead or injured. The report included a large headline at the top of The Times's website.

Israel subsequently denied being at fault and blamed an errant rocket launch by the Palestinian faction group Islamic Jihad, which has in turn denied responsibility. American and other international officials have said their evidence indicates that the rocket came from Palestinian fighter positions.

The Times's initial accounts attributed the claim of Israeli responsibility to Palestinian officials, and noted that the Israeli military said it was investigating the blast. However, the early versions of the coverage — and the prominence it received in a headline, news alert and social media channels — relied too heavily on claims by Hamas, and did not make clear that those claims could not immediately be verified. The report left readers with an incorrect impression about what was known and how credible the account was.

The Times continued to update its coverage as more information became available, reporting the disputed claims of responsibility and noting that the death toll might be lower than initially reported. Within two hours, the headline and other text at the top of the website reflected the scope of the explosion and the dispute over responsibility.

Given the sensitive nature of the news during a widening conflict, and the prominent promotion it received, Times editors should have taken more care with the initial presentation, and been more explicit about what information could be verified. Newsroom leaders continue to examine procedures around the biggest breaking news events — including for the use of the largest headlines in the digital report — to determine what additional safeguards may be warranted.

I am glad the Times acknowledged this, and I hope this incident will help avoid such poor judgment in the future. The Times has generally done a very good job covering this conflict, but it simply can't be that reckless. Too much is at stake.

Agreed. Good for them for acknowledging errors. There are still some oddities about that explosion (including the death toll), which is why major media should hold off until they know more details.

Similar for Levitz, who made a small correction to his report on child beheading. In absolute absurdity, he was called an antisemite for making a small correction to his original piece, despite the fact that he has been a leading journalist in bringing attention to the atrocities that Hamas has inflicted.

[MU82]

Here is some good fact-checking by the AP on some of the misinformation that's been on social media in recent days ...

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-gaza-misinformation-fact-check-e58f9ab8696309305c3ea2bfb269258e?user_email=6647dfa7189f748384d7389910f7b584c6fcfc35ae990102964c7e826d4175c7&utm_medium=Morning_Wire&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_campaign=Morning%20Wire_23%20October_2023&utm_term=Morning%20Wire%20Subscribers

[JWags85]

So, I'll answer your subsequent response now. I am not stooping to your demand for "pictures," and I do not give a f**k what you think of me.

Actually you're not stooping to anything.  You're making a bunch of strong claims and using an anonymous faction of Jewish Scoopers to buttress your stance.

Before I get lumped with the other "Western progressives" since I'm sure you missed it on your hiatus...I'm one of the stronger, yet measured, "pro-Israel" voices in this thread.  I'm married to a Jewish woman who has been sick with worry and anguish over Israel since 10/7 to the point that I almost had to take her phone so she didn't doom scroll herself to grief insanity.  She's still been cautious, even a bit paranoid, about being out and about since then.

My BIL is an actual Israeli from Tel Aviv.  He and my SIL are Modern Orthodox with 3 kids in a Jewish Day School.  Half his extended family including a sibling and all of his mother's siblings are still in Israel.  Their neighbors and best friends in NJ were stranded for 24 hours at a hotel in Tel Aviv from 10/7 to 10/8.  They've vacillated between instinctive anger and desire for revenge, and pragmatic desires to end cycles of violence and fear for their loved ones in Israel.

But I can tell you for absolute certainty, and I know this from various conversations directly about this over the last 2 weeks, they have no interest and are very unhappy about people co-opting their feelings or fear or anger to push an agenda.  Or non-Jewish voices (or ones not historically in pro-Jewish advocacy positions/stances) to speak for them.  They also know ACUTELY what anti-Semitism looks like, how it manifests in statements or implications, and don't throw the label around foolishly, because all it does is water down the malice of true anti-Semitism.  I can remember a dinner a few years ago, my SIL went on a tangent and called someone anti-Semitic and my BIL, who had been mostly stoic and quiet (like an Israeli man  ), immediately checked her and called her out and said she shouldn't make blanket statements cause "Jews in this climate don't need some Boy Who Cried Wolf stigma BS about that label"

[Heisenberg]

That is a good synopsis of where things stand as of this writing. (see the highlighted part at the bottom)

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The United Nations has revised its grim figure of the rising death toll from Israel's bombardment of Gaza, saying that it has surpassed 5,000 as of Monday. It stands at 5,087. Separately, over 90 Palestinians have been killed in escalating West Bank violence, which over the weekend included Israel launching a rare airstrike on Jenin. Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) are still holding at least 222 Israeli and foreign captives - a number which has again been revised upward.

European Union foreign ministers are meanwhile gathered in Brussels for an urgent meeting to take up the contentious issue of a ceasefire. UN secretary-general Antonio Guterres has been calling on world bodies to back a ceasefire. In response, EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said, "Personally, I think that a humanitarian pause is needed in order to allow the humanitarian support to come in and be distributed, seeing that half of the population of Gaza has been moving from their houses."

Bloomberg is reporting Monday morning that EU leaders are set to endorse a call for a "humanitarian pause". "The European Council supports the call of UNSG (U.N. Secretary-General Antonio) Guterres for a humanitarian pause in order to allow for safe humanitarian access and aid to reach those in need," a draft statement of the summit reads.

But Washington, Israel's staunchest supporter, is not expected to back a ceasefire - despite reports President Biden has sought for Israel's military delay the expected imminent ground invasion, in order to buy more time to negotiate the freedom of more hostages.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken in the Sunday news shows made this clear. Margaret Brennan, the host of CBS News's "Face the Nation," asked him, "UNICEF says 1,524 children have been killed in the Gaza Strip during these bombings. Why isn't the US calling for at least a temporary ceasefire?"

Blinken then claimed that children dying on either side has hit him "right in the heart" - but he stopped short of directing any criticism at Israel's indiscriminate and unrelenting bombing campaign. Instead, he defended it:

"Israel has to do everything it can to make sure this doesn't happen again," Blinken said in reference to October 7 Hamas cross-border attack. "Freezing things in place where they are now would allow Hamas to remain where it is and to repeat what it's done some time in the future. No country could accept that."

He then cited unverified reports that Hamas has actively blocked Palestinians who are also American citizens from leaving the Gaza Strip. "We've had people come to Rafah, the crossing with Egypt. And to date, at least, Hamas has blocked them from leaving, showing once again, its total disregard for civilians of any kind who are — who are stuck in Gaza," Blinken said. "So really, the ball is in Hamas' court, in terms of letting people who want to leave, civilians from third countries, including Americans get out of Gaza."

There are a reported up to 600 Americans stuck in Gaza, with one Palestinian-American telling NBC that "America's not helping us, Biden's not helping us, the embassy is not helping us."

The United States is still bolstering its military presence in Middle East waters, readying for any contingency, even as it's said to be pressing for furthering back-channel negotiations and delaying an all-out Israeli assault:

It was becoming increasingly clear Monday that the U.S. wants Israel to not only allow more humanitarian assistance into Gaza, but for the country to let ongoing negotiations over the release of hostages held by Hamas to continue before it launches a ground invasion of the Palestinian territory. Israel said Monday that Hamas was still holding 222 people captive.

Two sources told CBS News the U.S. has sought to slow Israel's plans for a ground invasion in order to prioritize the release of hostages and the distribution of aid, a message Washington is said to have been conveying primarily through defense channels.

The Pentagon is calling its moving two aircraft carrier strike groups into regional waters an act of "deterrence".

The Pentagon is calling its moving two aircraft carrier strike groups into regional waters an act of "deterrence".

Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin had announced Saturday, "Following detailed discussions with President Biden on recent escalations by Iran and its proxy forces across the Middle East Region, today I directed a series of additional steps to further strengthen the Department of Defense posture in the region." He added: "These steps will bolster regional deterrence efforts, increase force protection for U.S. forces in the region, and assist in the defense of Israel."

The White House has Iran in mind, and its proxies Hezbollah and Shia Houthi rebels in Yemen, the latter who days ago tried to fire missiles on Israel, but which were intercepted by a US warship off Yemen's coast. US THAAD and Patriot missile batteries have been sent to Israel.

"This is not what we want, not what we're looking for. We don't want escalation," Blinken said. "We don't want to see our forces or our personnel come under fire. But if that happens, we're ready for it." And Austin simultaneously affirmed the statements, saying "what we're seeing is a prospect of a significant escalation of attacks on our troops and our people throughout the region."

It's clear Hezbollah has held off committing itself to a major war with Israel, which could very well happen the moment the IDF mounts a major ground assault into Gaza. Hezbollah's arsenal, with the help of Iran, is far superior to that of Hamas', and is said to include tens of thousands of rockets of varying sizes."This is not what we want, not what we're looking for. We don't want escalation," Blinken said. "We don't want to see our forces or our personnel come under fire. But if that happens, we're ready for it." And Austin simultaneously affirmed the statements, saying "what we're seeing is a prospect of a significant escalation of attacks on our troops and our people throughout the region."

It's clear Hezbollah has held off committing itself to a major war with Israel, which could very well happen the moment the IDF mounts a major ground assault into Gaza. Hezbollah's arsenal, with the help of Iran, is far superior to that of Hamas', and is said to include tens of thousands of rockets of varying sizes.

[21Jumpstreet]

Actually you're not stooping to anything.  You're making a bunch of strong claims and using an anonymous faction of Jewish Scoopers to buttress your stance.

Before I get lumped with the other "Western progressives" since I'm sure you missed it on your hiatus...I'm one of the stronger, yet measured, "pro-Israel" voices in this thread.  I'm married to a Jewish woman who has been sick with worry and anguish over Israel since 10/7 to the point that I almost had to take her phone so she didn't doom scroll herself to grief insanity.  She's still been cautious, even a bit paranoid, about being out and about since then.

My BIL is an actual Israeli from Tel Aviv.  He and my SIL are Modern Orthodox with 3 kids in a Jewish Day School.  Half his extended family including a sibling and all of his mother's siblings are still in Israel.  Their neighbors and best friends in NJ were stranded for 24 hours at a hotel in Tel Aviv from 10/7 to 10/8.  They've vacillated between instinctive anger and desire for revenge, and pragmatic desires to end cycles of violence and fear for their loved ones in Israel.

But I can tell you for absolute certainty, and I know this from various conversations directly about this over the last 2 weeks, they have no interest and are very unhappy about people co-opting their feelings or fear or anger to push an agenda.  Or non-Jewish voices (or ones not historically in pro-Jewish advocacy positions/stances) to speak for them.  They also know ACUTELY what anti-Semitism looks like, how it manifests in statements or implications, and don't throw the label around foolishly, because all it does is water down the malice of true anti-Semitism.  I can remember a dinner a few years ago, my SIL went on a tangent and called someone anti-Semitic and my BIL, who had been mostly stoic and quiet (like an Israeli man  ), immediately checked her and called her out and said she shouldn't make blanket statements cause "Jews in this climate don't need some Boy Who Cried Wolf stigma BS about that label"

I appreciate your first hand knowledge and thoughts, and I can't imagine how you, your wife, and your family are feeling right now. I can only send all my love and support into the universe for all of you. I hope the fear and paranoia go away because anti-semitism and violence against Jews goes away.

[MuggsyB]

Can anyone think of a parallel to some of the protests we are seeing right now all over the world and here in tbe USA?  Innocent civilians are viciously attacked, barbarically murdered, and people are in the streets blaming Israel and shouting vile things about Jews?  Imagine what they will do once Israel actually starts their offensive.  Isn't this a strong indication of how completely whacked and antisemitic people are?  I must have missed the protests blaming the victim in other genocidal massacres.  This is crazy and embarrassing frankly. 

[21Jumpstreet]

Can anyone think of a parallel to some of the protests we are seeing right now all over the world and here in tbe USA?  Innocent civilians are viciously attacked, barbarically murdered, and people are in the streets blaming Israel and shouting vile things about Jews?  Imagine what they will do once Israel actually starts their offensive.  Isn't this a strong indication of how completely whacked and antisemitic people are?  I must have missed the protests blaming the victim in other genocidal massacres.  This is crazy and embarrassing frankly.

Muggs, I think you're baiting here and asking for equivalencies and whataboutism that you understandably and sometimes accurately shoot down and decry. If someone says, for example, in response to George Floyd's death, there were pro-police, even pro-Chauvin, protests, how would you respond? What do you actually want out of your question?

Candidly, I do appreciate you asking a question rather than making a blanket statement.

[MuggsyB]

Muggs, I think you're baiting here and asking for equivalencies and whataboutism that you understandably and sometimes accurately shoot down and decry. If someone says, for example, in response to George Floyd's death, there were pro-police, even pro-Chauvin, protests, how would you respond? What do you actually want out of your question?

Candidly, I do appreciate you asking a question rather than making a blanket statement.

You're comparing Grorge Flloyd to this?  Okay.

[21Jumpstreet]

You're comparing Grorge Flloyd to this?  Okay.

Exactly. Not only am I not comparing George Floyd to this, but I am asking you what do you want out of your question? I don't think you want an answer, but I'm curious what answer would satisfy your question.

[🏀]

Can anyone think of a parallel to some of the protests we are seeing right now all over the world and here in tbe USA?  Innocent civilians are viciously attacked, barbarically murdered, and people are in the streets blaming Israel and shouting vile things about Jews?  Imagine what they will do once Israel actually starts their offensive.  Isn't this a strong indication of how completely whacked and antisemitic people are?  I must have missed the protests blaming the victim in other genocidal massacres.  This is crazy and embarrassing frankly. 

Very fine people on both sides, aina?

[Pakuni]

Can anyone think of a parallel to some of the protests we are seeing right now all over the world and here in tbe USA?  Innocent civilians are viciously attacked, barbarically murdered, and people are in the streets blaming Israel and shouting vile things about Jews?  Imagine what they will do once Israel actually starts their offensive.  Isn't this a strong indication of how completely whacked and antisemitic people are?  I must have missed the protests blaming the victim in other genocidal massacres.  This is crazy and embarrassing frankly.

Video has emerged of far-right Israeli protesters celebrating the death of children in Gaza during a counter-demonstration to an anti-war rally in Tel Aviv's Rabin Square over the weekend.
"There is no school tomorrow; there are no children left in Gaza," the men can be seen chanting as part of a roughly formed song that also included the stanzas "I hate all the Arabs" and "Gaza is a cemetery."
The mob also called for Israeli Arabs to be stripped of their citizenship.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/watch-far-right-israelis-celebrate-gaza-kids-deaths/

[MU82]

Actually you're not stooping to anything.  You're making a bunch of strong claims and using an anonymous faction of Jewish Scoopers to buttress your stance.

Before I get lumped with the other "Western progressives" since I'm sure you missed it on your hiatus...I'm one of the stronger, yet measured, "pro-Israel" voices in this thread.  I'm married to a Jewish woman who has been sick with worry and anguish over Israel since 10/7 to the point that I almost had to take her phone so she didn't doom scroll herself to grief insanity.  She's still been cautious, even a bit paranoid, about being out and about since then.

My BIL is an actual Israeli from Tel Aviv.  He and my SIL are Modern Orthodox with 3 kids in a Jewish Day School.  Half his extended family including a sibling and all of his mother's siblings are still in Israel.  Their neighbors and best friends in NJ were stranded for 24 hours at a hotel in Tel Aviv from 10/7 to 10/8.  They've vacillated between instinctive anger and desire for revenge, and pragmatic desires to end cycles of violence and fear for their loved ones in Israel.

But I can tell you for absolute certainty, and I know this from various conversations directly about this over the last 2 weeks, they have no interest and are very unhappy about people co-opting their feelings or fear or anger to push an agenda.  Or non-Jewish voices (or ones not historically in pro-Jewish advocacy positions/stances) to speak for them.  They also know ACUTELY what anti-Semitism looks like, how it manifests in statements or implications, and don't throw the label around foolishly, because all it does is water down the malice of true anti-Semitism.  I can remember a dinner a few years ago, my SIL went on a tangent and called someone anti-Semitic and my BIL, who had been mostly stoic and quiet (like an Israeli man  ), immediately checked her and called her out and said she shouldn't make blanket statements cause "Jews in this climate don't need some Boy Who Cried Wolf stigma BS about that label"

Heisy: "Jew-hater!"

Doc Dribble: "Ur nummburr 11, oona?"

Muggs: "It's unacceptable that you don't want to vaporize everybody."

[Skatastrophy]

Heisy: "Jew-hater!"

Doc Dribble: "Ur nummburr 11, oona?"

Muggs: "It's unacceptable that you don't want to vaporize everybody."

lol accurate

[Heisenberg]

Video has emerged of far-right Israeli protesters celebrating the death of children in Gaza during a counter-demonstration to an anti-war rally in Tel Aviv's Rabin Square over the weekend.
"There is no school tomorrow; there are no children left in Gaza," the men can be seen chanting as part of a roughly formed song that also included the stanzas "I hate all the Arabs" and "Gaza is a cemetery."
The mob also called for Israeli Arabs to be stripped of their citizenship.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/watch-far-right-israelis-celebrate-gaza-kids-deaths/

Minneapolis this morning ...

Unfortunately, all this is rounding errors compared to what is coming when the ground war begins.

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https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1716429437753847878

Pro-Palestine mob takes over the street and swarms an elderly driver in Minneapolis.

After the driver made it through the initial mob of people, he was blocked at the next intersection by cars.

The mob then chased after the man to harass him some more.

Footage on the ground appears to suggest that the man *may* have been pepper sprayed in the face as he seemed to have a difficult time opening his eyes.

Pro-Palestine protesters tried breaking his windows and dented the side of his car.

The group organizer Zach Metzger reportedly shared the video online himself and told the radicals to find the man in a now deleted post.

[Pakuni]

Minneapolis this morning ...

Unfortunately, all this is rounding errors compared to what is coming when the ground war begins.

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https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1716429437753847878

Pro-Palestine mob takes over the street and swarms an elderly driver in Minneapolis.

After the driver made it through the initial mob of people, he was blocked at the next intersection by cars.

The mob then chased after the man to harass him some more.

Footage on the ground appears to suggest that the man *may* have been pepper sprayed in the face as he seemed to have a difficult time opening his eyes.

Pro-Palestine protesters tried breaking his windows and dented the side of his car.

The group organizer Zach Metzger reportedly shared the video online himself and told the radicals to find the man in a now deleted post.

This may come as a surprise, but Heisey isn't exactly telling the whole story here.
After all this time, and he still thinks people aren't going to fact-check him.

A video shared on social media shows a vehicle driving through a large crowd at a Minneapolis, Minnesota, rally in support of Palestinians in Gaza.
Shortly after 3:20 p.m. on Sunday, officers from the Minneapolis Police Department (MPD) responded to multiple reports of disturbances surrounding a demonstration near the city's Loring Park neighborhood, MPD spokesperson Aaron Rose told Newsweek in an email.
At the intersection of Hennepin and Lyndale avenues and Vineland Place, a group of rally attendees held a "die-in," a form of protest in which participants lie down in public as if dead to show the "seriousness of the ethnic cleansing that is happening in the Gaza Strip," the organizers said, noting this is where the chaos erupted.
"A hostile driver threatened protesters with his car and a box cutter," the statement reads. "He was disarmed by protest security but then he drove through the crowd."
Video shared on social media shows a white vehicle driving into the crowd before the driver appears to exit the car and briefly engage with people nearby, according to drone footage and ground audio captured by non-profit media organization Unicorn Riot, which amassed an online following for its live-stream coverage of the protests that erupted in the aftermath of the police killing of George Floyd.
As the driver is getting back inside the vehicle, the crowd starts to surround the car before the driver backs up and speeds away, the drone footage shows. In the three-minute clip, shared by Unicorn Riot on X, formerly Twitter, the white vehicle turns around and heads back toward the rally attendees before driving off.

https://www.newsweek.com/video-shows-hostile-driver-plow-through-minneapolis-pro-palestinian-rally-1836786

[jesmu84]

That is a good synopsis of where things stand as of this writing. (see the highlighted part at the bottom)

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The United Nations has revised its grim figure of the rising death toll from Israel's bombardment of Gaza, saying that it has surpassed 5,000 as of Monday. It stands at 5,087. Separately, over 90 Palestinians have been killed in escalating West Bank violence, which over the weekend included Israel launching a rare airstrike on Jenin. Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) are still holding at least 222 Israeli and foreign captives - a number which has again been revised upward.

European Union foreign ministers are meanwhile gathered in Brussels for an urgent meeting to take up the contentious issue of a ceasefire. UN secretary-general Antonio Guterres has been calling on world bodies to back a ceasefire. In response, EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said, "Personally, I think that a humanitarian pause is needed in order to allow the humanitarian support to come in and be distributed, seeing that half of the population of Gaza has been moving from their houses."

Bloomberg is reporting Monday morning that EU leaders are set to endorse a call for a "humanitarian pause". "The European Council supports the call of UNSG (U.N. Secretary-General Antonio) Guterres for a humanitarian pause in order to allow for safe humanitarian access and aid to reach those in need," a draft statement of the summit reads.

But Washington, Israel's staunchest supporter, is not expected to back a ceasefire - despite reports President Biden has sought for Israel's military delay the expected imminent ground invasion, in order to buy more time to negotiate the freedom of more hostages.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken in the Sunday news shows made this clear. Margaret Brennan, the host of CBS News's "Face the Nation," asked him, "UNICEF says 1,524 children have been killed in the Gaza Strip during these bombings. Why isn't the US calling for at least a temporary ceasefire?"

Blinken then claimed that children dying on either side has hit him "right in the heart" - but he stopped short of directing any criticism at Israel's indiscriminate and unrelenting bombing campaign. Instead, he defended it:

"Israel has to do everything it can to make sure this doesn't happen again," Blinken said in reference to October 7 Hamas cross-border attack. "Freezing things in place where they are now would allow Hamas to remain where it is and to repeat what it's done some time in the future. No country could accept that."

He then cited unverified reports that Hamas has actively blocked Palestinians who are also American citizens from leaving the Gaza Strip. "We've had people come to Rafah, the crossing with Egypt. And to date, at least, Hamas has blocked them from leaving, showing once again, its total disregard for civilians of any kind who are — who are stuck in Gaza," Blinken said. "So really, the ball is in Hamas' court, in terms of letting people who want to leave, civilians from third countries, including Americans get out of Gaza."

There are a reported up to 600 Americans stuck in Gaza, with one Palestinian-American telling NBC that "America's not helping us, Biden's not helping us, the embassy is not helping us."

The United States is still bolstering its military presence in Middle East waters, readying for any contingency, even as it's said to be pressing for furthering back-channel negotiations and delaying an all-out Israeli assault:

It was becoming increasingly clear Monday that the U.S. wants Israel to not only allow more humanitarian assistance into Gaza, but for the country to let ongoing negotiations over the release of hostages held by Hamas to continue before it launches a ground invasion of the Palestinian territory. Israel said Monday that Hamas was still holding 222 people captive.

Two sources told CBS News the U.S. has sought to slow Israel's plans for a ground invasion in order to prioritize the release of hostages and the distribution of aid, a message Washington is said to have been conveying primarily through defense channels.

The Pentagon is calling its moving two aircraft carrier strike groups into regional waters an act of "deterrence".

The Pentagon is calling its moving two aircraft carrier strike groups into regional waters an act of "deterrence".

Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin had announced Saturday, "Following detailed discussions with President Biden on recent escalations by Iran and its proxy forces across the Middle East Region, today I directed a series of additional steps to further strengthen the Department of Defense posture in the region." He added: "These steps will bolster regional deterrence efforts, increase force protection for U.S. forces in the region, and assist in the defense of Israel."

The White House has Iran in mind, and its proxies Hezbollah and Shia Houthi rebels in Yemen, the latter who days ago tried to fire missiles on Israel, but which were intercepted by a US warship off Yemen's coast. US THAAD and Patriot missile batteries have been sent to Israel.

"This is not what we want, not what we're looking for. We don't want escalation," Blinken said. "We don't want to see our forces or our personnel come under fire. But if that happens, we're ready for it." And Austin simultaneously affirmed the statements, saying "what we're seeing is a prospect of a significant escalation of attacks on our troops and our people throughout the region."

It's clear Hezbollah has held off committing itself to a major war with Israel, which could very well happen the moment the IDF mounts a major ground assault into Gaza. Hezbollah's arsenal, with the help of Iran, is far superior to that of Hamas', and is said to include tens of thousands of rockets of varying sizes."This is not what we want, not what we're looking for. We don't want escalation," Blinken said. "We don't want to see our forces or our personnel come under fire. But if that happens, we're ready for it." And Austin simultaneously affirmed the statements, saying "what we're seeing is a prospect of a significant escalation of attacks on our troops and our people throughout the region."

It's clear Hezbollah has held off committing itself to a major war with Israel, which could very well happen the moment the IDF mounts a major ground assault into Gaza. Hezbollah's arsenal, with the help of Iran, is far superior to that of Hamas', and is said to include tens of thousands of rockets of varying sizes.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/gaza-death-toll-surpasses-5000-amid-un-eu-calls-ceasefire-us-increases-deterrence

Tyler Durden? Wasn't he a movie character?

[Dickthedribbler]

Heisy: "Jew-hater!"

Doc Dribble: "Ur nummburr 11, oona?"

Muggs: "It's unacceptable that you don't want to vaporize everybody."

I made ONE gd post in this thread of 1500+ , and that was 12 days ago and didn't even deal with a substantive issue. I have purposely stayed out of the debate.

Why the f*ck am I getting ripped.

[Heisenberg]

This may come as a surprise, but Heisey isn't exactly telling the whole story here.
After all this time, and he still thinks people aren't going to fact-check him.

A video shared on social media shows a vehicle driving through a large crowd at a Minneapolis, Minnesota, rally in support of Palestinians in Gaza.
Shortly after 3:20 p.m. on Sunday, officers from the Minneapolis Police Department (MPD) responded to multiple reports of disturbances surrounding a demonstration near the city's Loring Park neighborhood, MPD spokesperson Aaron Rose told Newsweek in an email.
At the intersection of Hennepin and Lyndale avenues and Vineland Place, a group of rally attendees held a "die-in," a form of protest in which participants lie down in public as if dead to show the "seriousness of the ethnic cleansing that is happening in the Gaza Strip," the organizers said, noting this is where the chaos erupted.
"A hostile driver threatened protesters with his car and a box cutter," the statement reads. "He was disarmed by protest security but then he drove through the crowd."
Video shared on social media shows a white vehicle driving into the crowd before the driver appears to exit the car and briefly engage with people nearby, according to drone footage and ground audio captured by non-profit media organization Unicorn Riot, which amassed an online following for its live-stream coverage of the protests that erupted in the aftermath of the police killing of George Floyd.
As the driver is getting back inside the vehicle, the crowd starts to surround the car before the driver backs up and speeds away, the drone footage shows. In the three-minute clip, shared by Unicorn Riot on X, formerly Twitter, the white vehicle turns around and heads back toward the rally attendees before driving off.

https://www.newsweek.com/video-shows-hostile-driver-plow-through-minneapolis-pro-palestinian-rally-1836786

Blame the victim ... nice look,

[cheebs09]

I made ONE gd post in this thread of 1500+ , and that was 12 days ago and didn't even deal with a substantive issue. I have purposely stayed out of the debate.

Why the f*ck am I getting ripped.

Doc Dribble is 4ever.

[MU82]

Minneapolis this morning ...

Unfortunately, all this is rounding errors compared to what is coming when the ground war begins.

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https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1716429437753847878

Pro-Palestine mob takes over the street and swarms an elderly driver in Minneapolis.

After the driver made it through the initial mob of people, he was blocked at the next intersection by cars.

The mob then chased after the man to harass him some more.

Footage on the ground appears to suggest that the man *may* have been pepper sprayed in the face as he seemed to have a difficult time opening his eyes.

Pro-Palestine protesters tried breaking his windows and dented the side of his car.

The group organizer Zach Metzger reportedly shared the video online himself and told the radicals to find the man in a now deleted post.

Anti-Semitism in America was horrific even before this started, as evidenced from the Charlottesville rally and its aftermath. Now it's been stirred up to a whole 'nother level -- often due to hatred and/or religious zealotry, but sometimes due to misinformation.

I have little doubt that you will proudly get to say, "I told you so" -- as if you've made some kind of earth-shaking prediction. Congrats.

There will be plenty of attacks against those from Muslim countries, too, as the Islamophobia that has been increasing in the U.S. for decades gets ratcheted up to new heights.

The millions of Americans who hate both Jews and Muslims can really party now!

[Heisenberg]

In an editor's note today, the NYT admitted it erred in its early coverage of the hospital explosion, especially the headline featuring Israel being blamed by Hamas.

On Oct. 17, The New York Times published news of an explosion at a hospital in Gaza City, leading its coverage with claims by Hamas government officials that an Israeli airstrike was the cause and that hundreds of people were dead or injured. The report included a large headline at the top of The Times's website.

Israel subsequently denied being at fault and blamed an errant rocket launch by the Palestinian faction group Islamic Jihad, which has in turn denied responsibility. American and other international officials have said their evidence indicates that the rocket came from Palestinian fighter positions.

The Times's initial accounts attributed the claim of Israeli responsibility to Palestinian officials, and noted that the Israeli military said it was investigating the blast. However, the early versions of the coverage — and the prominence it received in a headline, news alert and social media channels — relied too heavily on claims by Hamas, and did not make clear that those claims could not immediately be verified. The report left readers with an incorrect impression about what was known and how credible the account was.

The Times continued to update its coverage as more information became available, reporting the disputed claims of responsibility and noting that the death toll might be lower than initially reported. Within two hours, the headline and other text at the top of the website reflected the scope of the explosion and the dispute over responsibility.

Given the sensitive nature of the news during a widening conflict, and the prominent promotion it received, Times editors should have taken more care with the initial presentation, and been more explicit about what information could be verified. Newsroom leaders continue to examine procedures around the biggest breaking news events — including for the use of the largest headlines in the digital report — to determine what additional safeguards may be warranted.

I am glad the Times acknowledged this, and I hope this incident will help avoid such poor judgment in the future. The Times has generally done a very good job covering this conflict, but it simply can't be that reckless. Too much is at stake.

Six days too late. The outrage caused by this irresponsible reporting led to Biden's meeting with Palestinian officials in Amman getting canceled.

This was a big blow to find a deal for hostages or even a possible compromise.

Lives were unnecessarily put at risk.

Who has lost their job over this?