EV's

[MU82]

I had a camry hybrid ~15 years ago and it was great

We currently have 2 Hyundai hybrids and both have been outstanding, efficient cars.

[rocket surgeon]

re: dogies excellent response-i read somewhere they made brake lines or fuel lines out of a corn based product and guess what?  rodents ate them.  for those of you from Rio linda-that can be detrimental to ones safety and well-being

[Skatastrophy]

re: dogies excellent response-i read somewhere they made brake lines or fuel lines out of a corn based product and guess what?  rodents ate them.  for those of you from Rio linda-that can be detrimental to ones safety and well-being

Yep US farm subsidies are ridiculous. All this corn based bs is just rural welfare.

[lawdog77]

Yep US farm subsidies are ridiculous. All this corn based bs is just rural welfare.

Sure, if you feel like.paying $15 for a gallon of gas,or $6 for a gallon of milk.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Sure, if you feel like.paying $15 for a gallon of gas,or $6 for a gallon of milk.

I'm thinking your gas estimate might be a wee bit off.

This from a very pro-renewable fuels proponent:
New University Study: Ethanol Cuts Gas Prices by 77 Cents per Gallon

https://ethanolrfa.org/media-and-news/category/news-releases/article/2023/02/new-university-study-ethanol-cuts-gas-prices-by-77-cents-per-gallon#:~:text=The%20analysis%20concluded%20that%20%E2%80%9Cadding,per%20year%20for%20U.S.%20consumers.%E2%80%9D

[Skatastrophy]

I'm thinking your gas estimate might be a wee bit off.

This from a very pro-renewable fuels proponent:
New University Study: Ethanol Cuts Gas Prices by 77 Cents per Gallon

https://ethanolrfa.org/media-and-news/category/news-releases/article/2023/02/new-university-study-ethanol-cuts-gas-prices-by-77-cents-per-gallon#:~:text=The%20analysis%20concluded%20that%20%E2%80%9Cadding,per%20year%20for%20U.S.%20consumers.%E2%80%9D

I figured they were being sarcastic? Hard to tell these days.

[Hards Alumni]

  full self driving cars-wow!  just think of all the "neat" things that THEY could do with those...ho boy, that list would be deee licious.  all those gubmint experts helping out-can't imagine anything could go wrong there

btw, computer hackers are licking their lips

anyone ever see bait car??

They can already remotely shut down your hummer.  LOL

[Hards Alumni]

Can you get a DUI in a self driving car?

👀

[rocket surgeon]

They can already remotely shut down your hummer.  LOL

  i try like hell not to give them a reason to, but you just made my point.  can't see anything could go wrong here

[rocky_warrior]

GM has had vehicle immobilization since they brought in OnStar.  So like, since 1995.

[Hards Alumni]

GM has had vehicle immobilization since they brought in OnStar.  So like, since 1995.

Bingo

[tower912]

GM has had vehicle immobilization since they brought in OnStar.  So like, since 1995.

That doesn't it can't be recently be discovered and made political by some single brain cell influencer who found something new to make his single brain celled followers afraid of.

[Hards Alumni]

That doesn't it can't be recently be discovered and made political by some single brain cell influencer who found something new to make his single brain celled followers afraid of.

I expect someone behind the wheel creating at tiktok and saying they're no longer buying GM despite doing it their entire life!

[tower912]

Not to mention Tesla's data mining on their drivers.

[dgies9156]

Not to mention Tesla's data mining on their drivers.

So is Nissan!

My Murano routinely sends data back to Nissan for analysis.

[Skatastrophy]

So is Nissan!

My Murano routinely sends data back to Nissan for analysis.

Yeah people aren't generally aware of this. They don't read privacy policies.

https://gizmodo.com/mozilla-new-cars-data-privacy-report-1850805416

> The worst offender was Nissan, Mozilla said. The carmaker's privacy policy suggests the manufacturer collects information including sexual activity, health diagnosis data, and genetic data, though there's no details about how exactly that data is gathered. Nissan reserves the right to share and sell "preferences, characteristics, psychological trends, predispositions, behavior, attitudes, intelligence, abilities, and aptitudes" to data brokers, law enforcement, and other third parties.

[lawdog77]

Yeah people aren't generally aware of this. They don't read privacy policies.

https://gizmodo.com/mozilla-new-cars-data-privacy-report-1850805416

> The worst offender was Nissan, Mozilla said. The carmaker's privacy policy suggests the manufacturer collects information including sexual activity, health diagnosis data, and genetic data, though there's no details about how exactly that data is gathered. Nissan reserves the right to share and sell "preferences, characteristics, psychological trends, predispositions, behavior, attitudes, intelligence, abilities, and aptitudes" to data brokers, law enforcement, and other third parties.

That's why people have burner phones when using bluetooth in their cars

[MU82]

From Reuters:

Mercedes-Benz is pumping the brakes on its electrification strategy. The Germany luxury marque is pushing back its plans to go all-electric by 2030. The company also wants everyone (but, specifically, investors) to know that it will continue to build vehicles with combustion engines well into the next decade.

[PointWarrior]

 
Do love the technology EV's are bringing to the table with self-driving....   But, work colleague showed me their Tesla self driving mode.   Went all of two blocks before it slammed on the brakes cause it was about to hit a car in a turn lane on major intersection.   Co-worker (self admitted Tesla nut) would not trust the self driving mode to turn left across a major roadway.   Me thinks self-driving is a LONG ways away...
   

[MU82]

As a TSLA shareholder, I just cast my vote against giving a $51B payday to the distracted, unstable CEO who has overseen a 50%+ stock-price plunge while he sold TSLA shares to fund a money-bleeding social-media site he didn't even want.

[rocky_warrior]

As a TSLA shareholder, I just cast my vote against giving a $51B payday to the distracted, unstable CEO who has overseen a 50%+ stock-price plunge while he sold TSLA shares to fund a money-bleeding social-media site he didn't even want.

No AI for you!  lol

[rocket surgeon]

GM has had vehicle immobilization since they brought in OnStar.  So like, since 1995.

don't you have to subscribe to onstar in order for them to have access to your car?  I guess, ultimately, they could over ride it (and give you a break) in order for them to "mess" with you if they needed to.  not to worry, they will send you the bill(or shut down your car )

[rocky_warrior]

don't you have to subscribe to onstar in order for them to have access to your car?

Nope.  They always* have access.  You have to subscribe for the "convenience" features.

* These systems use a cellular modem.  The legacy ones would only use a slow GSM network, but regardless, they can still be accessed, unless you rip out the modem, or drive out of range / into a faraday cage.

[Lennys Tap]

As a TSLA shareholder, I just cast my vote against giving a $51B payday to the distracted, unstable CEO who has overseen a 50%+ stock-price plunge while he sold TSLA shares to fund a money-bleeding social-media site he didn't even want.

Let's get this straight. The CEO is an unhinged, dishonest, antisemite who is running his company into the ground. And in your opinion those are among his better qualities. WTF are you a shareholder?

[MU82]

Let's get this straight. The CEO is an unhinged, dishonest, antisemite who is running his company into the ground. And in your opinion those are among his better qualities. WTF are you a shareholder?

Inertia.

I bought my shares well before Musk became distracted by and/or obsessed with fighting social wars.

Although I don't really have that many shares of TSLA, yes, I probably should have sold them. But I'm a long-term investor who really hates selling anything. While I believe that philosophy has served me well over the years, every once in a while buy-and-hold does burn me.

I do believe that Tesla can still "win" in the EV realm if Elon will stop getting in his company's way. Pissing off almost your entire customer base isn't the best business model, however.

So if he won't act in the best interest of TSLA shareholders, it's up to shareholders to use the votes we've earned.