Poll: Markus Howard Jersey Retirement

[panda]

Brothas

[dgies9156]

Exactly. Let's talk about on the court. In 2017-8, Marquette's big three shot attempts per game:
Markus:15
Rowsey:14
Sam:10
Sounds, equitable, which of course led to a 9-9 Big East record, and 21-14 overall.

In 2018-9, it was:
Markus 17.6
Sam 11
Joseph 7
A whopping 2.6 more shots a game for Markus, so not as equitable, but more successful. 12-6 Big East, 24-10 overall.

So, who's the selfish one in this scenario?

I'd be curious to see how this compares to the Top 3 on this year's team.

And last year's for that matter.

[avid1010]

I get the stats...but from my eye test of MU point guards...I can't speak to an eye test on Tony Miller or Tony Smith (only remember wanting to be them at a very young age), but I'll take Diener or TK over Howard if I was putting a team together.  Not even close. 

[JWags85]

I get the stats...but from my eye test of MU point guards...I can't speak to an eye test on Tony Miller or Tony Smith (only remember wanting to be them at a very young age), but I'll take Diener or TK over Howard if I was putting a team together.  Not even close.

So you're taking the 2 PGs over a SG who just handled the ball more, got it.  Howard was never a PG.

[avid1010]

So you're taking the 2 PGs over a SG who just handled the ball more, got it.  Howard was never a PG.

A 5' 11" SG who handled the ball more than TK does?  Can't respect that.  Perhaps my bias against him is completely ridiculous...but I wouldn't want him on this team. 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Sigh, Markus was a PG. You can argue SG was his mote natural position, but he was MUs PG

[Silent Verbal]

Some are saying Markus did what Wojo asked him to do, but I think it's the opposite.  Wojo did what Markus and the Howard family wanted *him* to do:  Give Markus unlimited shots, the ultimate green light, all of it, all the time.  What an awful brand of basketball to watch.  Shaka would give a player like that (and his parents) the Uncle Phil/DJ Jazzy Jeff treatment.

[lawdog77]

I'd be curious to see how this compares to the Top 3 on this year's team.

And last year's for that matter.

This year:
Kam 12
Omax,Oso,TKo,andJop are between 7.6 and 9

Last year:
Justin 14
Morsell 10
TKo 7

[Newsdreams]

Should brothers be in quotes? or is that already assumed.

I guess you don't know Rico talk

[Tums Festival]

Right after Chones.

In the 50 games Jim Chones played in for Marquette, the team went 49-1.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Some are saying Markus did what Wojo asked him to do, but I think it's the opposite.  Wojo did what Markus and the Howard family wanted *him* to do:  Give Markus unlimited shots, the ultimate green light, all of it, all the time.  What an awful brand of basketball to watch.  Shaka would give a player like that (and his parents) the Uncle Phil/DJ Jazzy Jeff treatment.

Lol

[JWags85]

Sigh, Markus was a PG. You can argue SG was his mote natural position, but he was MUs PG

I don't disagree. I'm just saying it's not a fair comparison.  Like comparing Lazar as a 5 to Mac cause they both played it for MU.  Howard played PG, but that wasn't his position.  So saying you'd take natural PGs like Diener or Kolek over Howard isn't a diss, even though it's meant to be.

[Golden Avalanche]

Some are saying Markus did what Wojo asked him to do, but I think it's the opposite.  Wojo did what Markus and the Howard family wanted *him* to do:  Give Markus unlimited shots, the ultimate green light, all of it, all the time.  What an awful brand of basketball to watch.  Shaka would give a player like that (and his parents) the Uncle Phil/DJ Jazzy Jeff treatment.

Unicorn dust is a hell of a drug.

[lawdog77]

Markus adding to his legacy, leading his Baskonia team to a title*

https://www.eurobasket.com/Spain/news/828754/Baskonia-rally-past-Tortona-to-win-Alava-Trophy






*preseason title

[brewcity77]

Article reads like it was written by AI. All you need is "it was a close encounter of the athletic kind."

[wadesworld]

Why didn't they just raise 0 into the rafters on his Senior Night?

[lawdog77]

Why didn't they just raise 0 into the rafters on his Senior Night?

The meat eaters wrote a letter (preliminary injunction)

[Shooter McGavin]

Why didn't they just raise 0 into the rafters on his Senior Night?

Ha!  And so it begins. 

[Its DJOver]

Why didn't they just raise 0 into the rafters on his Senior Night?

I would imagine because he hadn't graduated yet.  As to why it hasn't happened since, the only reason that I can think of (other than the logistics of finding a date that works with his season) is that Wojo would be invited and that's probably still to fresh where it would be a distraction.

[Galway Eagle]

I would imagine because he hadn't graduated yet.  As to why it hasn't happened since, the only reason that I can think of (other than the logistics of finding a date that works with his season) is that Wojo would be invited and that's probably still to fresh where it would be a distraction.

Yeah given how long we booed Crean for leaving for an objectively better program and still giving us a coach who brought us greater success I'd say that we'd still be very very petty about Wojo walking out there with Markus.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I would imagine because he hadn't graduated yet.  As to why it hasn't happened since, the only reason that I can think of (other than the logistics of finding a date that works with his season) is that Wojo would be invited and that's probably still to fresh where it would be a distraction.

I mean, it took three years to retire Wade's number after he went pro. We're a little over three years since Markus graduated. I think #0 should be retired....but he doesn't need to be retired at the same speed as #3.

[Dr. Blackheart]

I mean, it took three years to retire Wade's number after he went pro. We're a little over three years since Markus graduated. I think #0 should be retired....but he doesn't need to be retired at the same speed as #3.

And to think, Wade still hasn't graduated yet (although he does hold a doctorate).

[Viper]

I would imagine because he hadn't graduated yet.  As to why it hasn't happened since, the only reason that I can think of (other than the logistics of finding a date that works with his season) is that Wojo would be invited and that's probably still to fresh where it would be a distraction.

...not sure of Wojo's sentiments toward MU, but I feel he deserves a round of applause for recruiting MH. When the day comes, I hope Wojo is there.

[panda]

...not sure of Wojo's sentiments toward MU, but I feel he deserves a round of applause for recruiting MH. When the day comes, I hope Wojo is there.

A hearty applause to Stan Johnson

[Its DJOver]

...not sure of Wojo's sentiments toward MU, but I feel he deserves a round of applause for recruiting MH. When the day comes, I hope Wojo is there.

Agreed, although all you have to do is read this thread to see that sentiment is not universal among the fanbase. The more success Shaka has, the faster people will forget about Wojo.  IMO TC would have been able to move to the back of people's mind much quicker if they had just taken him out of that Titans video.